Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
I've just sent an enquiry to the AGIMO asking if this is true because the LWG has given no proof. Just like others I would like to know if the AGIMO has the authority to do a blanket license grant on other agencies data, or if they have actually received this special permission from each agency who's data is on data.gov.au. Thirdly if this is true, then I feel this is shockingly poor behaviour of the AGIMO. To grant special permissions exclusively to one party, which is made even worse when done behind closed doors... I would very much welcome less restrictive licensing of government owned data, but to give special privilege to OSM but no one else isn't very good behaviour of a Government in my humble opinion. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
Okay seriously guys, no matter how much you hate LWG/OSMF, don't take this out on AGIMO or the state governments. Grant's opening post to this thread has been circulated widely by AGIMO staff today, it's not a hoax and obviously by announcing it publicly, not behind closed doors! Under the new IP policy, anybody can write to any federal agency and ask politely for another **open** licence: 11.(b) Consistent with the need for free and open re-use and adaptation, public sector information should be licensed by agencies under the Creative Commons BY standard as the default. An agency’s starting position when determining how to license its public sector information should be to consider Creative Commons licences (http://creativecommons.org.au/) or other open content licences. Agencies should license their public sector information under a Creative Commons licence or other open content licence following a process of due diligence and on a case-by-case basis. On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: I've just sent an enquiry to the AGIMO asking if this is true because the LWG has given no proof. Just like others I would like to know if the AGIMO has the authority to do a blanket license grant on other agencies data, or if they have actually received this special permission from each agency who's data is on data.gov.au. Thirdly if this is true, then I feel this is shockingly poor behaviour of the AGIMO. To grant special permissions exclusively to one party, which is made even worse when done behind closed doors... I would very much welcome less restrictive licensing of government owned data, but to give special privilege to OSM but no one else isn't very good behaviour of a Government in my humble opinion. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: Okay seriously guys, no matter how much you hate LWG/OSMF, don't take this out on AGIMO or the state governments. Grant's opening post to this thread has been circulated widely by AGIMO staff today, it's not a hoax and obviously by announcing it publicly, not behind closed doors! Can you point me to the public announcement by the AGIMO? Thanks. Under the new IP policy, anybody can write to any federal agency and ask politely for another **open** licence: 11.(b) Consistent with the need for free and open re-use and adaptation, public sector information should be licensed by agencies under the Creative Commons BY standard as the default. An agency’s starting position when determining how to license its public sector information should be to consider Creative Commons licences (http://creativecommons.org.au/) or other open content licences. Agencies should license their public sector information under a Creative Commons licence or other open content licence following a process of due diligence and on a case-by-case basis. If the AGIMO has granted OSM the right to publish data.gov.au datasets under a license that does not require attribution, how can I request the same permission from the AGIMO granted to myself? From there can I port it to CC0? If the AGIMO are happy and able to do this, why haven't they done this already? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On 24/09/2011, at 12:10 AM, Grant Slater wrote: The Licensing Working Group has obtained explicit special permission to incorporate geographic datasets from data.gov.au in the OpenStreetMap project database published under any free and open license, including ODbL SNIP This is great news! Congratulations are due to the LWG for making this happen. And that leaves these others where we are not yet sure exactly where they came from: * Queensland police stations * NSW Geographic Names Board places (importer contacted) * Queensland national parks, state forests and conservation areas * I don't think Qld Police Stations have been imported.. at least not in their entirety, as I found one recently at Augenthella that wasn't mapped. * Qld Nat Parks etc data source and import is documented on the wiki at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australia/Queensland/The_Department_of_Environment_and_Resource_Management/Protected_Areas_Import Regards, Chris ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On 24 September 2011 00:10, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: The Licensing Working Group has obtained explicit special permission to incorporate geographic datasets from data.gov.au in the OpenStreetMap project database published under any free and open license, including ODbL, ... Regretfully, the user who imported the data will not accept the new CTs for the ABS2006 import account and we respect his wishes. Firstly, excellent news - well done to all involved. Secondly, With the greatest respect to the user concerned, who has been a great contributor to OSM, I don't think we need necessarily respect his wishes. We need to look a bit more carefully at this area to see if anything has happened between the data source and OSM which could possibly be considered creative or original, or if it is just a pure data translation. Thirdly, lets make sure we take small steps with any renewed data imports. The 2006 ABS import has had some great uses, but there are still gaps in the community understanding of what it is and how we can use it. Hopefully we can learn from the previous mistakes before performing or renewing any mass data imports. Ian. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
