[talk-au] LPI sources, not the Base Map

[Warin]

Hi,

I have come across a boundary between 2 state forests that are not shown 
on the LPI Base Map .. yet the source tag claims that is where it comes 
from.


I think the source is the LPI admin boundary data .. and that is 
probably where they have come from.


It is Way: 387068735, most of it is a creek, but specifically the 
following nodes have no line on them


4094553049, 4094553050, 4094553051, 4094553086, 4094553087, 4094553088, 
4094553189.

I would think that where the source is not directly from the LPI Base Map ... 
then that should be stated in the source tag.
In this case it should be 'LPI Admin Boundary State Forest'?

Thoughts?
Note .. I'm as guilty as the rest. But think these should be changed for truth.


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Re: [talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

[Andrew Harvey]

What about simply landcover=grass
 and foot=yes?
Along with mapping out the pipeline separately?

On 8 February 2017 at 11:29, Adam Horan  wrote:

> My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline reserves.
>
> I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public access
> for walking at least. (One local one has a sign disallowing golf...) Some
> others appear to be across private land, and i'm less interested in those,
> I'd really like to show those ones with public access.
>
> examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/
> 145.20073
>
> I've tagged them as leisure=park previously, and paths evident on the
> ground have just been tagged highway=path.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
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Re: [talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

[Ross Scanlon]

On 08/02/17 11:17, Warin wrote:

On 08-Feb-17 12:10 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote:

On 08/02/17 11:00, Warin wrote:


Some pipe lines cross farms, residential areas ... so ?

I will ask on the tagging list as it is not Australian specific.

I note the pipeline is not visible ... I assume underground and the 
location is not evident so you cannot map the pipe line itself.


As far as most people are concerned it is a park, so that is 
appropriate.


I don't think park=pipeline_reserve would be best .. as you would 
then need something similar where the pipeline crosses a farm etc.


Why would you need that?


For the same reason you need to tag the pipe line reserve in the park.
Most of the time it has no effect on the attributes of the place.
However it is an added attribute that is verifiable and can be mapped.



But you don't have to have it where it crosses other areas.  In this 
case we are talking about what type of park it is.  Not what type of 
pipeline, which to me is what you are trying to do.


The area shown by Adam is the whole area not a sub area of it.  It 
appears to be a park and locals probably consider it as a park. However 
it is still a pipeline reserve so that's what type of park it is.






By tagging it park=pipeline_reserve your describing the type of park 
not the type of pipeline.


A pipe line reserve is not necessarily a park.


Yes, but in this case the park is a pipeline reserve, so describe what 
type of park it is.







On 08-Feb-17 11:31 AM, Ross Scanlon wrote:


park=pipeline_reserve



On 08/02/17 10:29, Adam Horan wrote:
My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline 
reserves.


I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public 
access for walking at least. (One local one has a sign disallowing 
golf...) Some others appear to be across private land, and i'm 
less interested in those, I'd really like to show those ones with 
public access.


examples: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/145.20073


I've tagged them as leisure=park previously, and paths evident on 
the ground have just been tagged highway=path.


Any ideas?

Thanks,

Adam


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Re: [talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

[Warin]

On 08-Feb-17 12:10 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote:

On 08/02/17 11:00, Warin wrote:


Some pipe lines cross farms, residential areas ... so ?

I will ask on the tagging list as it is not Australian specific.

I note the pipeline is not visible ... I assume underground and the 
location is not evident so you cannot map the pipe line itself.


As far as most people are concerned it is a park, so that is 
appropriate.


I don't think park=pipeline_reserve would be best .. as you would 
then need something similar where the pipeline crosses a farm etc.


Why would you need that?


For the same reason you need to tag the pipe line reserve in the park.
Most of the time it has no effect on the attributes of the place.
However it is an added attribute that is verifiable and can be mapped.



By tagging it park=pipeline_reserve your describing the type of park 
not the type of pipeline.


A pipe line reserve is not necessarily a park.






On 08-Feb-17 11:31 AM, Ross Scanlon wrote:


park=pipeline_reserve



On 08/02/17 10:29, Adam Horan wrote:
My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline 
reserves.


I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public 
access for walking at least. (One local one has a sign disallowing 
golf...) Some others appear to be across private land, and i'm less 
interested in those, I'd really like to show those ones with public 
access.


examples: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/145.20073


I've tagged them as leisure=park previously, and paths evident on 
the ground have just been tagged highway=path.


Any ideas?

Thanks,

Adam


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Re: [talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

[Ross Scanlon]

On 08/02/17 11:00, Warin wrote:


Some pipe lines cross farms, residential areas ... so ?

I will ask on the tagging list as it is not Australian specific.

I note the pipeline is not visible ... I assume underground and the 
location is not evident so you cannot map the pipe line itself.


As far as most people are concerned it is a park, so that is appropriate.

I don't think park=pipeline_reserve would be best .. as you would then 
need something similar where the pipeline crosses a farm etc.


Why would you need that?

By tagging it park=pipeline_reserve your describing the type of park not 
the type of pipeline.





On 08-Feb-17 11:31 AM, Ross Scanlon wrote:


park=pipeline_reserve



On 08/02/17 10:29, Adam Horan wrote:
My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline 
reserves.


I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public 
access for walking at least. (One local one has a sign disallowing 
golf...) Some others appear to be across private land, and i'm less 
interested in those, I'd really like to show those ones with public 
access.


examples: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/145.20073


I've tagged them as leisure=park previously, and paths evident on 
the ground have just been tagged highway=path.


Any ideas?

Thanks,

Adam


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Re: [talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

[Adam Horan]

Yes, correct some pipelines cross private land and some across land with
public access. In general near me the pipe is not visible, and it's not
even always clear if it's gas, water or sewage etc.
I'm most interested in showing public access of 'open' land in or near the
residential areas. So yes most people would look at it and consider it to
be a park, or some other form of common land.
I'm also not sure if the land ownership rests with councils or the
utilities, and so who is permitting public access and under what terms or
by-laws.

I'll stick with leisure=park for now.


On 8 February 2017 at 12:00, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Some pipe lines cross farms, residential areas ... so ?
>
> I will ask on the tagging list as it is not Australian specific.
>
> I note the pipeline is not visible ... I assume underground and the
> location is not evident so you cannot map the pipe line itself.
>
> As far as most people are concerned it is a park, so that is appropriate.
>
> I don't think park=pipeline_reserve would be best .. as you would then
> need something similar where the pipeline crosses a farm etc.
>
> On 08-Feb-17 11:31 AM, Ross Scanlon wrote:
>
> park=pipeline_reserve
>
>
>
> On 08/02/17 10:29, Adam Horan wrote:
>
> My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline reserves.
>
> I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public access
> for walking at least. (One local one has a sign disallowing golf...) Some
> others appear to be across private land, and i'm less interested in those,
> I'd really like to show those ones with public access.
>
> examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/
> 145.20073
>
> I've tagged them as leisure=park previously, and paths evident on the
> ground have just been tagged highway=path.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
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Re: [talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

[Ross Scanlon]

There's no real issue with heading out on your own with this type of tag.

What you are doing is describing the type of park.

So in this case the park is a pipeline reserve so therefore 
park=pipeline_reserve would be acceptable.


People still regard it as a park which is the major tag.


On 08/02/17 10:56, Adam Horan wrote:
There's only a few hundred examples of park=* in taginfo, and none are 
for pipeline_reserve. I don't really want to head out on my own if 
there's already a convention.

I'm not even sure if leisure=park is an accurate description :)

On 8 February 2017 at 11:31, Ross Scanlon > wrote:


park=pipeline_reserve



On 08/02/17 10:29, Adam Horan wrote:

My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline
reserves.

I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public
access for walking at least. (One local one has a sign
disallowing golf...) Some others appear to be across private
land, and i'm less interested in those, I'd really like to show
those ones with public access.

examples:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/145.20073


I've tagged them as leisure=park previously, and paths evident on
the ground have just been tagged highway=path.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Adam


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Re: [talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

[Warin]

Some pipe lines cross farms, residential areas ... so ?

I will ask on the tagging list as it is not Australian specific.

I note the pipeline is not visible ... I assume underground and the 
location is not evident so you cannot map the pipe line itself.


As far as most people are concerned it is a park, so that is appropriate.

I don't think park=pipeline_reserve would be best .. as you would then 
need something similar where the pipeline crosses a farm etc.


On 08-Feb-17 11:31 AM, Ross Scanlon wrote:


park=pipeline_reserve



On 08/02/17 10:29, Adam Horan wrote:

My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline reserves.

I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public 
access for walking at least. (One local one has a sign disallowing 
golf...) Some others appear to be across private land, and i'm less 
interested in those, I'd really like to show those ones with public 
access.


examples: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/145.20073


I've tagged them as leisure=park previously, and paths evident on the 
ground have just been tagged highway=path.


Any ideas?

Thanks,

Adam


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Re: [talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

[Adam Horan]

There's only a few hundred examples of park=* in taginfo, and none are for
pipeline_reserve. I don't really want to head out on my own if there's
already a convention.
I'm not even sure if leisure=park is an accurate description :)

On 8 February 2017 at 11:31, Ross Scanlon  wrote:

> park=pipeline_reserve
>
>
>
> On 08/02/17 10:29, Adam Horan wrote:
>
> My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline reserves.
>
> I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public access
> for walking at least. (One local one has a sign disallowing golf...) Some
> others appear to be across private land, and i'm less interested in those,
> I'd really like to show those ones with public access.
>
> examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/
> 145.20073
>
> I've tagged them as leisure=park previously, and paths evident on the
> ground have just been tagged highway=path.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam
>
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Re: [talk-au] Harmonisation of the source tag for LPI Base Map

[Andrew Harvey]

Absolutely, per
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
the plans must be first documented and discussed. Since this affects
the local NSW community it should have been posted here on talk-au.

The example you gave of
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/442899224/history is precisely one
reason why this process must be followed.

In my opinion we should have all their changesets reverted, and then
proper notice should be first given to give a chance to discuss the
changes proposed and it's implications before moving ahead.

On 8 February 2017 at 11:19, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> One mapper (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/LPISourceTagFix) has taken on
> themselves to 'harmonise' all the source tags that they consider should be
> 'NSW LPI Base Map'.
>
> No consultation - mass mechanical edit.
>
>
>
> I had some source tagged LPI Hydrology .. these too have been changed.
>
> See Way: Tomalla Creek (442899224) as an example.
>
>
> I don't appreciate the edits, I see no benefit from them.
>
> There are many more that could be done along these lines .. the major
> example would be Bing, bing, BING, bing  and bing  mm (where  is
> the numerical year and mm is the numerical month). But I would similarly see
> no point in it.
>
>
> I think this should be discussed here .. rather than some page that you may
> only come across in some distant future.
>
>
> Thoughts?
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>
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[talk-au] Tagging for Pipeline Reserves

[Adam Horan]

My local area (and I'm sure many others) have lots of pipeline reserves.

I'm really not sure how to tag these. They appear to have public access for
walking at least. (One local one has a sign disallowing golf...) Some
others appear to be across private land, and i'm less interested in those,
I'd really like to show those ones with public access.

examples:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/370388062#map=17/-38.15997/145.20073

I've tagged them as leisure=park previously, and paths evident on the
ground have just been tagged highway=path.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Adam
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Re: [talk-au] Parks Vic data

[Adam Horan]

I have often wondered where the existing National Park data comes from. In
general it seems to exist in OSM in quite high fidelity however the
boundaries are usually not evident on the ground or imagery. Yet whenever
I've looked back through histories I can't find any reasonable source or
attribution tags.

However there is data at
https://www.data.vic.gov.au/data/dataset/parks-and-conservation-reserves-parkres
which is described as:
*Parks and Conservation Reserves (PARKRES)*

*PARKRES is a spatial representation of the Parks and Reserves Information
Management System (PRIMS). This database lists Parks and Conservation
Reserves under the policy control of the DELWP Parks and Protected Areas
Branch. These include areas scheduled under the National Parks Act 1975,
Nature Conservation Reserves, Natural Features Reserves, Regional Parks,
Phillip Island Nature Park, Historic & Cultural Features Reserves, and
Metropolitan Open Space Parks. Many of these areas are managed by Parks
Victoria under a management agreement between the Minister for Environment
and the Parks Victoria Board. PRIMS and PARKRES define the areas covered by
this agreement. The aim of this layer is to eventually map all areas
represented in PRIMS at 1:25,000 or better scale. This dataset updated from
time to time, so is a snapshot of the parks and reserves system.*

Included in the accuracy statement is: *Validation of the land manager
attribute is continuing. This dataset does not provide definitive
boundaries for areas scheduled under the National Parks Act 1975*

Attribution to DELWP under CC BY 4.0

However I've no idea if this license is fully compatible, or if we have
specific permission.

For existing parks and lack of source, look at Mornington Peninsula NP
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3361243/history#map=17/-38.44856/144.95120
in that location the shape is completely non-obvious on the ground, and
there's no attribution I can see. See also
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/176328417#map=16/-38.4744/144.8905

regards,

Adam


On 8 February 2017 at 10:49, nwastra  wrote:

> Hi
> I have found many problems with the Heathcote-Graytown National Park in
> Victoria.
> Is there a place from which I can download the boundary as we have done
> with the NSW LPI NPWSReserve - public/NSW_Administrative_Boundaries, so I
> sort out where the gazetted boundary is and then fix the boundary in the
> osm?
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[talk-au] Harmonisation of the source tag for LPI Base Map

[Warin]

Hi,


One mapper (https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/LPISourceTagFix) has 
taken on themselves to 'harmonise' all the source tags that they 
consider should be 'NSW LPI Base Map'.


No consultation - mass mechanical edit.



I had some source tagged LPI Hydrology .. these too have been changed.

See Way: Tomalla Creek (442899224) as an example.


I don't appreciate the edits, I see no benefit from them.

There are many more that could be done along these lines .. the major 
example would be Bing, bing, BING, bing  and bing  mm (where 
 is the numerical year and mm is the numerical month). But I would 
similarly see no point in it.



I think this should be discussed here .. rather than some page that you 
may only come across in some distant future.



Thoughts?






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Re: [talk-au] Parks Vic data

[Andrew Harvey]

On 8 February 2017 at 11:08, Ross Scanlon  wrote:
> capad

The links for this are:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/Collaborative_Australian_Protected_Areas_Database_(CAPAD)
http://www.environment.gov.au/land/nrs/science/capad

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Re: [talk-au] Parks Vic data

[Ross Scanlon]

capad



On 08/02/17 09:49, nwastra wrote:

Hi
I have found many problems with the Heathcote-Graytown National Park in 
Victoria.
Is there a place from which I can download the boundary as we have done with 
the NSW LPI NPWSReserve - public/NSW_Administrative_Boundaries, so I sort out 
where the gazetted boundary is and then fix the boundary in the osm?


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[talk-au] Parks Vic data

[nwastra]

Hi
I have found many problems with the Heathcote-Graytown National Park in 
Victoria. 
Is there a place from which I can download the boundary as we have done with 
the NSW LPI NPWSReserve - public/NSW_Administrative_Boundaries, so I sort out 
where the gazetted boundary is and then fix the boundary in the osm?


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