Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes
On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 16:16, Andrew Davidson wrote: > So it comes down to the question of what is the point of keeping: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2440403 > > or > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2079710 > > open? Thanks for mentioning those couple, Andrew, as I seem to be in a sort of duel with this person. I've resolved & closed a number of notes, which they have then reopened with not really valid comments. I've explained that we only map what is on the ground* now*, closed them again & they've re-opened them again because "these changes will be happening some time" :-( I even saw a comment from I think this person referring to using Google Street View to confirm what was going on somewhere! I pointed out that we never use Google maps or imagery for anything & nothing further happened on the particular note. Maybe somebody official needs to explain to them just how things work? Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes
On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 4:09 PM Stéphane Guillou via Talk-au wrote: > >> Nevertheless, I want to say that I really appreciate the time that was >> invested in the recent note-closing work. It's great to see so many small >> improvements happening all around the map, and the activity on the notes >> themselves might bring new contributors in, or even just motivate them to >> open new notes. There have been some gems in there but it is like mining for diamonds you've got to sort through a lot of ore to find them. Particularly interesting has been WA where entire mine sites or other industry has just appeared (and you can switch back and forward between image supplies and see before and after). The listings from onosm.org have been a little sad as a not small fraction of them are for businesses that have gone bust in the time between posting and getting around to mapping them. So many of them are annoying because you quickly realise that when you go and try to verify their street addresses you know they're not going to tell you. I also am a bit ambivalent about adding businesses because you realise after a while that for every add note there is a note about a business that has gone. I've been trying to add a website or social media link to each one I add so that at least there is the hope that when they go out of business their links will go dead and get flagged by KeepRight. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes
Hi all I agree one should be cautious with closing notes with a changeset that only relies on aerial imagery, in particular when the note specifically mentions that a survey is necessary (e.g. "ground-truthing required"). Recently, a keen fellow local mapper started resolving notes one by one in my local area by actually traveling to the location (by bike I believe). That resulted in high-quality, up-to-date data, and wouldn't have happened without those open notes. Nevertheless, I want to say that I really appreciate the time that was invested in the recent note-closing work. It's great to see so many small improvements happening all around the map, and the activity on the notes themselves might bring new contributors in, or even just motivate them to open new notes. Cheers On 2/3/22 12:42, Andrew Harvey wrote: For example, https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2381617, tracks in the bush often aren't visible from imagery, so it needs a ground survey to add them. https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2684418 a street library won't be visible on aerial imagery, you either need to confirm on the ground or use street level imagery. If it's unable to be verified remotely best to leave it open for someone on the ground to verify it. Though I realise it's not always easy and at some point it makes sense to close the note as unactionable. StreetComplete asks about open notes. On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 12:01, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Thanks, Andrew, & not disagreeing! But when there's a Note still there from ~4 years ago that says "Path", & when we look, there's a path already mapped 20m away from that note tag, do we assume that that is the path in question so close the note as resolved, or hope that somebody will get there sometime to check it out, although nobody has apparently yet looked at it in the last 4 years? & it gets worse in remote areas. Which mapper is going to trek 10k in from the nearest road (or for some of them out West, 100+k!) to confirm that there is a track (that doesn't appear on any imagery or Govt sources) running from here to there? At least partially, some of the problem is that Notes are invisible unless deliberately activated. Any of us could have 100 of them within 5k of our home, which could be easily checked, but not know about them, so never check & resolve them. & then, over these last several days, I'm seeing a few notes being reactivated (often by people with user names but 0 edits) but with no comment as to why they've reactivated them? I wonder if some people think that they have to have a note on the map to show that "this is here"? Thanks Graeme On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 19:08, Andrew Harvey wrote: While there has been a lot of good work going on with these notes, I would like to point out that many are there because they need a ground survey to check. So the goal should not be to get open notes to zero only from airchair mapping. If it's not something that's actionable without a survey then best leave it open as many apps ask users on the ground to comment on open notes and some mappers look at them for their local area. There was some concern raised about this on the Oceania discord channel and I've noticed myself, so wanted to raise it here. On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 15:46, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 10:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: As I write this, there are now 3543 Sorry if I'm boring any of you? :-), but thought I'd update this to mention that after another 11 days, we are now at 2460! & please check out the graph :-) - I'm waiting eagerly for the cross-over that has to be due any day now! :-) https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Australia The oldest Notes have also jumped from 2013 to ~30 still outstanding from 2017, Now at two tricky ones from 2018, + 24 others prior to 2019, all with questions asked on them. Thanks Graeme ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Stéphane Guillou http://stragu.gitlab.io/ You can encrypt our communications by using OpenPGP. My public key 4E211060 is available on the keys.gnupg.net server. Other ways to interact with me are listed on my contact page:http://stragu.gitlab.io/contact/ ___ Talk-au mailing list
Re: [talk-au] Licence mention for static mapon NiceLocal.com.au
Hi Phil Yes, Michael from FuelPrice.io was very quick to reply and fix it. What if they don't use Mapbox and don't reply to emails? I was chasing down Australian Unity because some of their PDF maps for Herston Quarter don't mention OSM, two emails and no answer. Cheers On 24/2/22 21:04, Phil Wyatt wrote: https://fuelprice.io/ has just been fixed -Original Message- From: Stéphane Guillou via Talk-au Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2022 2:33 PM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Cc: Stéphane Guillou Subject: Re: [talk-au] Licence mention for static mapon NiceLocal.com.au Thanks Ben. In my experience, people rarely reply to my notice. What is the next step, once I have waited for a few days/weeks and no one has answered? One more I found today: https://fuelprice.io/ I've already contacted them. Let's see what happens. Cheers On 18/2/22 15:01, Ben Kelley wrote: It needs attribution for the static map as well I think. - Ben Kelley. On 18/2/22 15:55, Stéphane Guillou via Talk-au wrote: Hi all I just sent a message to NiceLocal.com.au about the copyright requirements of OSM, because my understanding is that the static map on their shop profiles does not respect them. For example: https://nicelocal.com.au/brisbane/shops/campus_news/ However, because clicking the map opens a slippy map that does mention the data source, I wanted to ask the list: does it follow OSM's requirements, or does it need to add an OSM mention next/over the static map as well? Cheers -- Stéphane Guillou http://stragu.gitlab.io/ You can encrypt our communications by using OpenPGP. My public key 4E211060 is available on the keys.gnupg.net server. Other ways to interact with me are listed on my contact page: http://stragu.gitlab.io/contact/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Stéphane Guillou http://stragu.gitlab.io/ You can encrypt our communications by using OpenPGP. My public key 4E211060 is available on the keys.gnupg.net server. Other ways to interact with me are listed on my contact page: http://stragu.gitlab.io/contact/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes
For example, https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2381617, tracks in the bush often aren't visible from imagery, so it needs a ground survey to add them. https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2684418 a street library won't be visible on aerial imagery, you either need to confirm on the ground or use street level imagery. If it's unable to be verified remotely best to leave it open for someone on the ground to verify it. Though I realise it's not always easy and at some point it makes sense to close the note as unactionable. StreetComplete asks about open notes. On Wed, 2 Mar 2022 at 12:01, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Thanks, Andrew, & not disagreeing! > > But when there's a Note still there from ~4 years ago that says "Path", & > when we look, there's a path already mapped 20m away from that note tag, do > we assume that that is the path in question so close the note as resolved, > or hope that somebody will get there sometime to check it out, although > nobody has apparently yet looked at it in the last 4 years? > > & it gets worse in remote areas. Which mapper is going to trek 10k in from > the nearest road (or for some of them out West, 100+k!) to confirm that > there is a track (that doesn't appear on any imagery or Govt sources) > running from here to there? > > At least partially, some of the problem is that Notes are invisible unless > deliberately activated. Any of us could have 100 of them within 5k of our > home, which could be easily checked, but not know about them, so never > check & resolve them. > > & then, over these last several days, I'm seeing a few notes being > reactivated (often by people with user names but 0 edits) but with no > comment as to why they've reactivated them? I wonder if some people think > that they have to have a note on the map to show that "this is here"? > > Thanks > > Graeme > > > On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 19:08, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > >> While there has been a lot of good work going on with these notes, I >> would like to point out that many are there because they need a ground >> survey to check. So the goal should not be to get open notes to zero only >> from airchair mapping. If it's not something that's actionable without a >> survey then best leave it open as many apps ask users on the ground to >> comment on open notes and some mappers look at them for their local area. >> >> There was some concern raised about this on the Oceania discord channel >> and I've noticed myself, so wanted to raise it here. >> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 15:46, Graeme Fitzpatrick >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 10:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick >>> wrote: >>> As I write this, there are now 3543 >>> >>> Sorry if I'm boring any of you? :-), but thought I'd update this to >>> mention that after another 11 days, we are now at 2460! >>> >>> & please check out the graph :-) - I'm waiting eagerly for the >>> cross-over that has to be due any day now! :-) >>> >>> https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Australia >>> >>> The oldest Notes have also jumped from 2013 to ~30 still outstanding from 2017, >>> >>> Now at two tricky ones from 2018, + 24 others prior to 2019, all with >>> questions asked on them. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Graeme >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-au mailing list >>> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >>> >> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes
Thanks, Andrew, & not disagreeing! But when there's a Note still there from ~4 years ago that says "Path", & when we look, there's a path already mapped 20m away from that note tag, do we assume that that is the path in question so close the note as resolved, or hope that somebody will get there sometime to check it out, although nobody has apparently yet looked at it in the last 4 years? & it gets worse in remote areas. Which mapper is going to trek 10k in from the nearest road (or for some of them out West, 100+k!) to confirm that there is a track (that doesn't appear on any imagery or Govt sources) running from here to there? At least partially, some of the problem is that Notes are invisible unless deliberately activated. Any of us could have 100 of them within 5k of our home, which could be easily checked, but not know about them, so never check & resolve them. & then, over these last several days, I'm seeing a few notes being reactivated (often by people with user names but 0 edits) but with no comment as to why they've reactivated them? I wonder if some people think that they have to have a note on the map to show that "this is here"? Thanks Graeme On Tue, 1 Mar 2022 at 19:08, Andrew Harvey wrote: > While there has been a lot of good work going on with these notes, I would > like to point out that many are there because they need a ground survey to > check. So the goal should not be to get open notes to zero only from > airchair mapping. If it's not something that's actionable without a survey > then best leave it open as many apps ask users on the ground to comment on > open notes and some mappers look at them for their local area. > > There was some concern raised about this on the Oceania discord channel > and I've noticed myself, so wanted to raise it here. > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 15:46, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 10:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick >> wrote: >> >>> >>> As I write this, there are now 3543 >>> >> >> Sorry if I'm boring any of you? :-), but thought I'd update this to >> mention that after another 11 days, we are now at 2460! >> >> & please check out the graph :-) - I'm waiting eagerly for the cross-over >> that has to be due any day now! :-) >> >> https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Australia >> >> The oldest Notes have also jumped from 2013 to ~30 still outstanding from >>> 2017, >>> >> >> Now at two tricky ones from 2018, + 24 others prior to 2019, all with >> questions asked on them. >> >> Thanks >> >> Graeme >> >> ___ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au >> > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM Notes
While there has been a lot of good work going on with these notes, I would like to point out that many are there because they need a ground survey to check. So the goal should not be to get open notes to zero only from airchair mapping. If it's not something that's actionable without a survey then best leave it open as many apps ask users on the ground to comment on open notes and some mappers look at them for their local area. There was some concern raised about this on the Oceania discord channel and I've noticed myself, so wanted to raise it here. On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 at 15:46, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 10:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick > wrote: > >> >> As I write this, there are now 3543 >> > > Sorry if I'm boring any of you? :-), but thought I'd update this to > mention that after another 11 days, we are now at 2460! > > & please check out the graph :-) - I'm waiting eagerly for the cross-over > that has to be due any day now! :-) > > https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Australia > > The oldest Notes have also jumped from 2013 to ~30 still outstanding from >> 2017, >> > > Now at two tricky ones from 2018, + 24 others prior to 2019, all with > questions asked on them. > > Thanks > > Graeme > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
