[talk-au] surface tag
Hi People Sorry if this has already been stated, I have not mapped since the licence change and I am only reading some emails. I my humble opinion, surface=unpaved should not be used. surface=paved should only be used is the surface is literally paved with brick, bluestone, cobblestone, whatever. surface=asphalt should be used for asphalt or bitumen. surface=gravel should be used for gravel roads. surface=dirt should be used if there is no surface covering, the track has been literally made out of whatever the ground is made out of. Think fire breaks. surface=sand where there is no surface covering, but the ground is sand or very sandy. surface=concrete for concrete bike or walking tracks. surface=wood for wooden walkways, jetty's and so forth. I even have a faint memory of using surface=grass, where the track was very overgrown, but too many tags might not be so good for rendering machines. I do not think I ever used it, but I think there is a smoothness tag which might be worth some research if you are worried about a track falling between 4x4_only=[recommended; yes;no]. The 4x4_only tag might be better left to legal definitions set by rangers. As well as a speed_limit tag, thought should be given to a speed_avg tag. Some roads might have a legal speed limit of 100 kmh, but you can be lucky to get out of second gear because of the rough road surface, or even heavily used roads that are normally very crowded, and the average speed is actually not very fast. The speed_avg tag would be handy for routing engines. My 2 cents worth. Andrew. On 21 October 2012 12:03, dban...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi Folks, recent I have been going over parts of OSM mapped some time ago, following up on the infamous redaction. One thing that jumps out at me is the inconsistent tagging of dirt roads. Even, I must say, ones I have done myself but over a several year time span. So I started to write some notes for myself and thought that maybe I should add them to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Roads_Tagging I don't think this is inconsistent with whats there now, just more detailed. However, I do suggest that we need consider what the rendering engines do with our data and I know that is a bit naughty. But, in this case, I'd suggest to do otherwise is negligent as it can have quite serious safety issues. So, would people like to comment on what I say here ? If we can reach consensus, I'll graft some of it onto the OSM wiki. Unmade roads These are typically forestry and remote tracks, while they may have been cut initially by a bulldozer they are not regularly maintained and, importantly, are not domed and don't have good run off gutters on the side. Such roads might or might not be single lane, 4x4 only, might be dry weather etc. Be careful about deciding on such restrictions, some people are often surprised at how well a carefully driven conventional vehicle can use these tracks. Highway=track will typically render to a dashed line. highway=track surface=unpaved lanes=[1; 2] 4x4_only=[recommended; yes] source=survey Made but unsealed roads. Many rural roads fit here. There is no asphalt but the roads are 'made' and regularly maintained by, eg, the local council. These roads often have a gravel base, always have dome shape, the middle is somewhat higher than the sides and there is some sort of gutter at the edge. The gutter will usually have run offs to drain water away from the road. Such roads are almost never 4x4_only nor dry weather only. highway=[unclassified; tertiary, secondary] surface=unpaved lanes=[1; 2] source=survey Use of the highway tag on dirt roads. While the selection of tags should not be defined by how current rendering engines display, we cannot ignore the final outcome. In Australia, a lot of dirt roads are quite important and sometimes its necessary to compromise a little to achieve a useful result. So the correct highway tag may be determined by a combination of the purpose of the road and its condition. Tracks are often rendered as dashed lines and most people would understand that means some care may well be needed. Unclassified would indicate a purely local function and is typically rendered as two thin black lines with white between Tertiary roads usually are rendered with two black lines and a coloured fill and many people (incorrectly) interpret that as meaning a sealed road, so maybe mappers should ensure they apply that tag only to dirt roads that are reasonably well maintained. Secondary roads are shown as wider and a different colour than tertiary and are definitely presented as viable routes for people passing through the area. Some care needs be exercised if a dirt road is to be classified as 'secondary'. Discussion Sometimes its hard to balance the description of a road against its purpose. A good example might be the Plenty Highway. This road is probably a track from a road condition
Re: [talk-au] Residential Roads
I have tended to use unclassified if a country road is not major enough to be a tertiary road, and residential in an industrial or shopping area, even if there are only businesses residing there. On 11 December 2011 12:18, mick bare...@tpg.com.au wrote: On Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:46:50 +1000 Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 December 2011 11:54, mick bare...@tpg.com.au wrote: In northern Brisbane I have yet to see anything that shows you are moving into a 50kph default zone. In Queensland the 50kph limit applies to all built up areas unless the street is marked otherwise. They don't mark the individual areas, though they used to have some signs as you entered SE Qld, back when it only applied there. They may still have some on the NSW border, they used to. They still have the signs at the edges of urban areas but I have yet to see any notification at the point where you leave the posted 60kph zone and enter a 50 zone nor do they always have a sign near the intersection where you turn from one 60 zone to another. Unfortunately if you drop to 50 INCASE its a 50 zone you stant a very high chance of gaining a landcruiser or pajaro as a trunk ornament. mick ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ABS [ ODbL data.gov.au permission granted]
On 3 December 2011 08:06, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 3, 2011 10:48 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: To play Devil's Advocate here, does anyone actually want the suburb boundaries retained (or reimported)? To me, they've always been a big pain in the arse. I don't think it is being devil's advocate. OSM shouldn't be a dumping ground for freely licensed data and this data would be much more useful outside the OSM DB because updates are more likely from the ABS than the OSM community. Before importing data I think there is a requirement to show how it can be usefully maintained by the OSM community. The current ABS data will expire like the 2006 one has. A compatible license would still make it useful for tracing roads, rivers etc when appropriate as a background layer in josm, potlatch etc. Ian. What would be ideal is if it could be implemented as a layer, simply turn that layer off if you do not want it. This also neatly sidesteps people inadvertently editing this data, they simply cannot. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] A way to go
On 2 December 2011 07:20, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On 02/12/11 09:00, Richard Weait wrote: Deleting tainted data and remapping by local mappers is far superior to waiting until March 31 and running a script. So removing data from decliners and remapping it, and reaching out to those who haven't yet responded is valid and valuable. Unless the decliners change their mind, which is very likely to happen if government data can be used after all. I would like a copy of the map before these deletes are made for my GPS, has someone done this before these deletes were done ? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
I fail to see a contradiction. If you are not sure about something, you ask explicitly and get an explicit answer. That is what we got. That is what is written on the wiki with the kind assistance of data.gov.au. If it helps, me formally affirm and represent what I have said before: I have had a series of correspondance with data.gov.au where: 1) I have explictly pointed out we are moving to another license specifically written for open data, that it might not jive with CC-BY and so they may not be happy with the provisions for downstream attributions, and asked them if they could explictly give us permission to continue use or if we should remove it; 2) The conclusion being yes, we can incorporate and publish such CC-BY licensed geographic coordinate datasets under a free and open license, including the Open Database License, provided that primary attribution is made here [ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Australian_government_public_information_datasets] and that each dataset used is also listed here in the format *Dataset Name, Date Published, License, Agency Name, originally retrieved from http://data.australia.gov.au*; 3) For public transparency, the operative version of the statement is not in the correspondance but directly drafted at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution#Australian_government_public_information_datasetsand actively reviewed by data.gov.au to their satisfaction. Hi Mike I might be able to help a little. The words ... provided that primary attribution is made ... Would seem at first glance the exclude any license that does not require attribution. Perhaps you could explain to us what happens if a third party takes OSM data, and publishes it without any attribution at all. Would they be in violation of the Open Database License ? If not, the problem is that you are now distributing government data in violation of copyright law. Andrew. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
Also if I agree to the new license, is there an easy way to delete all my Yahoo aerial tracing, or is this now allowed ? Why would you want to remove that data? I do not want to, but this is the reason I originally disagreed, because the derived data is not compatible with the open database license, and needed to be removed. Mostly lakes and rivers. Is it now OK to leave this data intact ? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Censorship
On 4 November 2011 08:09, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: I disagree. Moderation is the only way to stop this channel being filled with diatribes and I'm glad that the moderator(s) are being reasonable enough to let the better emails through. Steve But who moderates the moderators ? It is the members who vote by moving to a new list. Thus sharedma...@googlegroups.com is born. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] ODbL data.gov.au permission granted
On 31 October 2011 20:12, Chris Barham cbar...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 19:51, waldo000...@gmail.com waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: +1. Surely forwarding the emails is less work for you anyway than transcribing parts of the emails (?!). Did you consider why forwarding the full emails might be less than wise? - I have, and will share my thoughts: a number of people on this list are both vocal and vitriolic regarding OSMF. And with very good reason, you must be new here. Making the licence negotiation details public could hand to those who do not have good intentions towards OSM, potential tools to try and damage the project. Scenario A: A person could cut and paste the detail along with a whiny cover letter to data.gov.au saying no fair, me want too - piggy backing on the work done by licence group for the benefit of OSM, all the while decrying anything OSMF does. Can anybody give any good reasons why OSMF, or any other group or organization should be given preferential treatment ? Possibly you would prefer if someone like Bing bought exclusive rights to this data, and no-one else could use it. The whole point of the OSM license change was to allow other people to piggy back on their work, to take it without attributing any acknowledgement to the original source. While in some ways this is different, it seems very hypocritical to want to deny others the same rights, or to build on work that you have already done. Possibly you need to read the new OSM license again to try to understand the implications. Scenario B: Someone could nitpick over detail and then jeopardise the agreement by complaining vociferously to anyone who will listen about how it's illegal because a full stop is misplaced; maybe complaining to individual data owners e.g.: Look at this, data.gov.au just re-licenced your data Option 1 Crowd-source the fault finding, get everything right before anything is built on it. Option 2 Allow a potential time bomb into the project, in a year or two, some other mapping company or business might decide that OSM is a threat to them, and use these flaws to sink OSM. How much money does OSM have to defend itself ?, even just the threat should work if the original assumption is wrong in law. It would appear you prefer Option 2. I'm not suggesting it will happen, but it could, especially given the historical (and breathtakingly non-sensical), level of animosity towards OSMF and it's work. Unless I misunderstand it, the licence group volunteer to sort this stuff out, project users can assume they act in good faith and applaud their successes. So why aren't we believing that this is what they have done, under the oversight of the OSMF (who are there to oversee)? Chris Sounds good to me. If OSM want to shoot themselves in the foot, what right do mappers have to disagree ? But then on the other hand, possibly the comments are not exclusivly for OSM, possibly they are being made to stop other projects from falling into the same trap. Andrew. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Irony...
Irony is when you buy a shiny new GPS loaded with OSM data, only to find out that you need to pay a license fee to be able to update the map. Gotta love that new license. On 13 July 2011 15:04, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: Is it just me, or is there a certain amount of irony in Nearmap not allowing OSM to use their aerials to trace from, but being quite happy to use OSM as their street layer? Nah, there's a very superficial irony that evaporates pretty quickly once you look closer. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] What A Day
2) It's clear that some people cannot access fosm.org even when it is up. I think this is because some browsers don't support xslt. More information would be helpful. I will switch to server-side xslt if that is indeed the cause. OK, i tried fosm.org, it worked. I clicked on the maps linkhttp://fosm.org/poly/tah.html#2.00/34.4/-5.9; and got a totally blank page. Latest Firefox (5) running on latest stable Kubuntu. Andrew. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] What A Day
So what has caused this earthquake and corresponding tsunami? I would say a single troll, who it must be admitted has had quite a reaction. It might be to distract mappers from discussing what they are doing. I personally cannot seem to be able to get any joy from fosm.org, at the moment I am just getting a 500 Internal Server Error message. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Reassurance and Licensing
Ian wrote . but OSM was largely formed because of government restrictions over the use of its data (i.e OS copyright), . This is news to me, but if for some reason this is true, can someone please explain to me why, after convincing the Australian government to release data under a CC-by or CC-by-SA licence, OSM is now moving the goal posts ? Because we can now use this data, are we now self destructing ? ...and I think the OSM community has the demonstrated capacity and capability to make its own decisions, rather than having to follow what the Australian government or any other government specifies. . It would be nice to think that, however I do not remember voting on the licence issue, and I consider myself part of the OSM community. It would appear to me that the OSM community has in fact not had a say, or been able to make its own decisions, and is subject to some faceless government / committee that is trying to change the licence. The governing committee has only demonstrated that they are able to destroy OSM, and now the community is making the decision to start again under a new name. Andrew ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Does FOSM really work?
I also tried to use Potlatch on http://fosm.org, but using Firefox on Kubuntu. I get a map OK, but I do not know where it is, and there is no obvious way of changing the location you are looking at. There is a GPS button that does not work, this might be the problem. Also there is no obvious way of uploading GPS traces, this also might be what the GPS button is for. I did not try editing as I did not want to risk damaging the mapping already done. Andrew. On 25 April 2011 06:09, Kevin Sheather mobilesheath...@bigpond.com wrote: I have tried to use FOSM but with no success. I have opened an account and logged in but none of the links seem to work with the exception of the Attribution link that takes me back to an OSM Wiki page. The Potlatch link produces a mostly blank page with not a map in sight. Is it designed to operate on Windows Explorer 9? Kevin ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bulk loading all the Australian Statistical Geography Standard into the OSM - a query from the Australian Bureau of Statistics [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi Marcus Unfortunately OSM has recently forced a change to it's licence agreement to a version where attribution is not required on any copies that are made of OSM data, probably to appease Microsoft and Bing maps who will then be free to charge for these maps, with no attribution at all. Anybody who has used nearmap or Government data sources for their mapping therefore cannot agree to the new terms, and all of their data is going to be removed on 1st April 2011. As you can imagine there are a lot of upset mappers, and there are alternative sites being set up where the original licence and data will be retained. There are a number of sites doing this including; http://fosm.org Creating a new Layer for your data would be a good move from the point of view of mappers, who could not change this data either deliberately or accidentally, and it would therefore be more reliable. Unfortunately these changes are recent and the alternative sites are still a work in progress, and not yet ready to adapt to new requirements. Having said that, go to http://fosm.org/p2/potlatchFosm.xml, and look at the Background drop down menu. It includes a number of options for background layers from a variety of sources. Also try http://www.openstreetmap.org, open up the edit tab, and select the checkbox option in the bottom left hand corner of the potlatch window, which then shows background layer options. I think all other editors also have these background options, and there are a number of editors out there. I would suggest to you that you make your data available in a format that is compatible with these other background sources, and host the actual data on your own servers. This would also have the advantage that your data will always be up to the minute if and when changes are made. It would then not take much for the mapping applications to import your data as a layer, and you would not need to chase up the different mapping sites and get them to include your data. It would also be a relativity small step to host your own map viewer, which could include your data as a layer as well as the option of google maps, bing maps, open street map, fosm or whatever as a reference to where the boundary's are relative to roads and creeks or coastlines. I do not know what the API's are, or even where to find them, but the nearmap http://www.nearmap.com/; people are active and if they cannot help you then I am sure they can point you in the right direction. Andrew. On 23 February 2011 09:01, Marcus Blake marcus.bl...@abs.gov.au wrote: To the Australian OSM community, The Australian Bureau of Statistics has recent published the first part of a new statistical geography, the Australia Statistical Geography Standard or ASGS for short. The boundaries are based on a new basic spatial unit called a mesh block which have been aggregated to create efficient spatial units for the dissemination and analysis of statistical data. They have been released in advanced of the 2011 Australian census and are fixed for the next 5 years. The attached links and PDF file provide additional information. The ABS Geography section is presently investigating the possibility of loaded the new Australian Statistical Geography Standard into the OSM database. As a starting point, I'd like to start a discussion about how this could be achieved, if it is possible at all. From the ABS point of view the principle reason for doing this is that an the OSM database would hold a copy of the official version of the boundaries and that this point of truth would be available for all OSM users and downstream distributors. It would therefore become one of the channels by which the ABS distributes the ASGS boundaries and associated coding structures There are three main issues I can see need addressing (and probably a large number of other issues I'm not yet aware of ) * 1. Is the OSM database a suitable location for the ASGS* The ABS would like to facilitate the use of the new ASGS as much as possible and the OSM database looks to be an efficient mechanism for the distribution of the spatial boundaries and codes. But what does the community think??... * 2. Licensing* Even though ABS data (including all spatial data) is released under a CC license it does require attribution (Attribution 2.5 Australia CC BY 2.5). How is this license model handled under OSM. Is there a means to associated attribution with particular layers within the OSM database? * 3. The practicality's of loading load.* I note previous posts on loading the ABS Postal Areas and the technical problems involved. What is the most efficient and best way of load a categorising these data within the database? Our preference would be to bulk upload through an FME process. Perhaps this is a question for the imports list? * Any Questions for the ABS?* Lastly if there are any questions people have on the new ASGS (and the old ASGC) or
Re: [talk-au] MS imagery
There are not that many words here, so it should be harder to go astray, but the following lines present problems; you must use the imagery as presented in the API, you cannot modify or edit the imagery, This part implies that you cannot use it as a layer, by modifying the imagery with map overlays. ...all of your updates to OSM arising out of the application must be shared with OSM, ... Did whoever write this read what they wrote ? How does one update OSM without sharing it ? talk-au@openstreetmap.org On 1 December 2010 10:33, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: This post seems to indicate the legal issues have been sorted out, and the terms the imagery can be used under: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Opengeodata/~3/kukbUtOllso/microsoft-imagery-details I also started making a relation showing areas that Bing covers for Australia: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?relation=1291579 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] license change map
In my opinion OSM will never recover to the same point that it is at today if data is removed for the simple reason that most, if not all government data will need to be removed, and there is no way that private mappers can replace this as there are no physical markings on the ground, or water as the case may be. I am also kind of surprised at the attitude by some that seem to relish the removal of data from OSM. There is no advantage to changing the license, irrepearable damage if the license is changed. People might remap areas for a different license, which on the face of it is very petty, or they may simply add to data for a different mapping project, which is inherently better due to extra data. It is a bit like BSD and Linux. Not many people are even aware that Apple use BSD as their foundation, while Linux, Apple and anyone else can use any part of BSD, BSD is by itself. Linux started long after BSD, yet it is very much stronger because of its license. As soon as OSM delete the CC-by-SA data, a number of forks will appear, including FOSM. http://www.fosm.org/ There will be a shakedown period of about a year while different forks fight for critical mass, then there will only be one. The new project will include data from OSM, as well as a lot of CC-by-SA data, making it the best map for public use in both the short and long term. OSM will only have a slight advantage in that OSM is better known, but that advantage will quickly fade as the new project will be advertised where ever it is used, while OSM will probably be rebranded by whoever uses it. The longer new uses do not have the option of a CC-by-SA license, the more people will just not start mapping, and the ratio of public domain data to CC-by-SA data will slightly drift towards the public domain simply due to the lack of other new users using the CC-by-SA data license. If OSM gave people a choice, both when adding data and when viewing maps, or using the data in other ways, all of this in fighting would simply have no point. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] license change map
In my opinion OSM will never recover to the same point that it is at today if data is removed for the simple reason that most, if not all government data will need to be removed, Why would government data need to be removed? Australian government geodata, for example, is definitely migrating to CC BY (no SA). Last I looked this is compatible with CC BY-SA and (in spirit) ODbL. I am not saying government geodata is not compatible with CC BY-SA, if it was not it should not be there in the first place. Being (in spirit) compatible with ODbL is not the same as being compatible, and it would need to be removed. It is a bit like BSD and Linux. Not many people are even aware that Apple use BSD as their foundation, while Linux, Apple and anyone else can use any part of BSD, BSD is by itself. Linux started long after BSD, yet it is very much stronger because of its license. This result won't necessarily translate to geodata. Software is subject to patents, rightly or wrongly. In contrast, the collection methods for geodata are pretty much all covered by prior art. Yes some software is subject to patents, but this is not the reason people and companies chose this license. They chose this license so that no one else can take their work, and sell it as their own, and then deny the original author access to improvements, which is very relevant to this license discussion. Also, would you argue that Apple has a more polished product than anything in the Linux family? I am not sure of your point here, and even less sure that it has anything to do with OSM. Apple has it's strong points, as does Linux, depending on what you are looking for in an operating system. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM alternatives...
So to this end I just filed a bug with JOSM asking to get multiple credentials stored and some easy way to switch between them. To me this means multiple username and password combinations, all with the same OSM site. I think you should spell out that we need JOSM to be able to be used on different mapping sites. Do you happen to know of any other mapping web sites ? I have not looked but I suspect a few people would at least be thinking about forking OSM. On 22 September 2010 11:45, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't seem likely things are going to be resolved to everyone's liking, in fact there seems to be a new type of service popping up every other week. So to this end I just filed a bug with JOSM asking to get multiple credentials stored and some easy way to switch between them. This is so you don't need to run JOSM under multiple usernames when you are playing with or editing data on various other services that are compatible with the OSM APIs. https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/5490 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM alternatives...
http://fosm.org give instructions on how to change JOSM so that it uses FOSM. On 22 September 2010 12:23, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 September 2010 14:16, Andrew Laughton laughton.and...@gmail.com wrote: To me this means multiple username and password combinations, all with the same OSM site. I think you should spell out that we need JOSM to be able to be used on different mapping sites. It would also be useful for switching between the OSM dev and live servers too... Do you happen to know of any other mapping web sites ? I have not looked but I suspect a few people would at least be thinking about forking OSM. There is only one public service that I'm aware of at this stage, http://fosm.org (cc-by-sa) There is a few others, but aren't accepting user submissions yet, commonmap (cc-by) and USGS (CC0/PD) There is a couple of others, but they are currently private. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Possible vandalism
Hi people I have not been to this area for well over a year, but I thought I had done a bit more than this. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.1192lon=136.3543zoom=14 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.37294lon=136.10252zoom=15 How do I examine these areas to make sure someone has not undone my work, or can someone please have a quick look for me ? Might be my poor memory and not someone else. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Bus, tram and train stop data license change
Get Firefox if you have not already got it, then get the Scrapbook add on, then copy the cached version to a local scrapbook, just in case it changes again. Might not make much difference, but every little bit helps. On 4 March 2010 12:20, Alex Lum sierra.os...@gmail.com wrote: Very disappointing... I was browsing the http://data.vic.gov.au website yesterday and noticed that Metlink and the Department of Transport had released two datasets: the TransNET database of routes, stops and timetables, and a file of bus, tram and train stops. The TransNET file was under the DoT's restrictive license: only to be used for the 'App My State' competition, no commercial use, etc., however I was delighted to see that the stop information including very accurate lat/long coordinates was released under a CC - Attribution 2.5 Australia license! I spent much of the day preparing to import it and producing a wiki page to document the process and data... However, I returned to the site (http://data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/bus-tram-and-train-stops/123) today to find the license has been changed to the restrictive TransNET license! Google still has the CC-A2.5 version cached: http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:ZFC_fGJMI4MJ:data.vic.gov.au/raw_data/bus-tram-and-train-stops/123+metlink+site:data.vic.gov.aucd=5hl=enct=clnkgl=au Now according to the Creative Commons FAQ: Creative Commons licenses are non-revocable. This means that you cannot stop someone, who has obtained your work under a Creative Commons license, from using the work according to that license. Any thoughts? I'm inclined not to proceed with importing or deriving from the data if it's likely to be an issue, even though it's probably on pretty safe ground given that the data actually was released under a CC license albeit for a ten day window, and I retrieved it under those terms and the Terms of Use of the website. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] answers to the difficult questions
IMHO tourism=effluent_dump is good, as they are aimed at tourists, but it is not an attraction as such. recycling:excrement=yes not really relevant it is not really recycling. or even amenity=waste_disposal waste=excrement Not bad, but the second tag is useless by itself, it would be better if it was a single tag, like amenity=effluent_dump Similar to amenity=toilet ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas
Maybe because they are not nesting at the moment. 2009/9/11 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com 2009/9/11 Liz ed...@billiau.net: magpies are very intelligent creatures they can tell the time (they know when the postie is coming) and they can tell a young male human from less aggressive female humans so the local magpies ignore some people and fearlessly attack others The magpies close to here don't swoop anyone, that has me stumped... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] TomTom Anounces an Open Source GPS Technology
Slashdot has an interesting item; http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/09/09/2216255/TomTom-Anounces-an-Open-Source-GPS-Technology?art_pos=1 *According to OStatic, European company TomTom (which recently settled a patent agreementhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/03/30/1853219/TomTom-Settles-With-Microsoftwith Microsoft) has announced a new open source format OpenLR http://www.tomtom.com/page/openLR for sharing routing data (relevant points, traffic information...) in digital maps of different vendors, to be used in GPS devices. The LR stands for Location Referencing. They aim is to push it as an open standard to build a cooperative information basehttp://ostatic.com/blog/tomtom-launches-open-source-navigation-project, presumably in a similar way than its current TomTom Map Share technology in which end users provide map corrections on the fly. The technology to support the format will be released as GPLv2. Does it make OpenLR a GPL GPS?* ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only
Where is the Wiki ? 2009/8/14 Jason Stirk jst...@oobleyboo.com Voted 2009/8/14 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net On Fri, 14 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: --- On Thu, 13/8/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: there are some things that are best done by action rather than talk and 4wd_only os one of them. we make a decision we go ahead There needs to be another 3 votes to meet the current minimum standard of 15 votes, so far there is 7 for and 5 against. If you haven't voted, please vote. OK I've voted That's the first time I've voted on anything on the wiki we've got 13 now please 2 more people vote ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries
Suburb boundaries would not move that often, if that is all that is available, I vote to put it in. On 25/02/2009, Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: The data will be tagged as reviewed=no to indicate that a person has no confirmed that it is 'correct'. In the case if the Suburb boundaries I doubt it is actually possible to confirm the majority of the data 'on the ground' as their is no magical line on the ground. The data that will be imported is being provided by a government department (the ABS) who create it from the official source (the LGA). While the data is not 100% because it is a few years old, from the reviews of the data it looks pretty good. So, I see no way of getting a better set of information for this data set. On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 11:05 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.auwrote: Hi all, No comment on the tag structure offered in the linked website, but I would like to stress that if you are importing mass data, that you clearly mark it as inaccurate, unless you have collected the data yourself by survey. There is nothing worse than a map of imported data (especially boundaries) that are indicated as correct when theyre not even close, due to importing old data or data with unknown faults. This has come up before from people importing mass data. Personally, I believe that OSM's strength is that most data is from personal survey, rather than just blindly imported from another database, and the mass importation of data, then means we not only have to survey, but also have to verify that data other people entered, is infact correct. Id rather have a 100% accurate map, than a 100% complete map. Then again, if you mean 'importing' from your own dataset of survey info, then by all means Im in agreeance with the move. Anyone else got a thought on the issue? David On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 00:15 +1100, Franc Carter wrote: Hi folks, I am ready to start the import of the suburb boundaries. So could you please have one last look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue/ABS_Data#OSM_Representation and let me know of any issues, barring any objections I'll start the import soon(ish) cheers -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Wild guess surveying
Hi All This might be just a survey with long gaps between points, but my Whereis based GPS also has the same road layout. I am a little worried that someone has copied another map, complete with faults. Look at my trace relative to what the road is drawn at. Is Drewboy in this forum ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-32.30935lon=116.6188zoom=15 http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=q=Brookton+Hwy+WA,+Australiasll=-32.933423,117.176404sspn=0.049202,0.072527g=Narrogin+WA,+Australiaie=UTF8ll=-32.310331,116.616011spn=0.012386,0.027294z=16 http://www.whereis.com/wa/westdale/irish-rd?id=4A15D99A141317 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Wild guess surveying
Yes, very easy to fix, and I have fixed other roads that were also wrong, the worry is, how many others need fixing and where are they. Maybe a polite message could solve the problem, or maybe a rough position is better than no position, and there is no problem. 2008/12/15 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: Easily fixed then. Upgrade the road to your trace. On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 06:23:26 +0900 Andrew Laughton laughton.and...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All This might be just a survey with long gaps between points, but my Whereis based GPS also has the same road layout. I am a little worried that someone has copied another map, complete with faults. Look at my trace relative to what the road is drawn at. Is Drewboy in this forum ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=-32.30935lon=116.6188zoom=15 http://maps.google.com.au/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=q=Brookton+Hwy+WA,+Australiasll=-32.933423,117.176404sspn=0.049202,0.072527g=Narrogin+WA,+Australiaie=UTF8ll=-32.310331,116.616011spn=0.012386,0.027294z=16 http://www.whereis.com/wa/westdale/irish-rd?id=4A15D99A141317 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
