It’s certainly true that some people rely on motorway routes (I agree that the
solution for family-friendly routes would be a different renderer, until
conditions change in Australia). However, regarding the bike symbol on the M2
on the Mapillary example, it’s designed to be a sign of caution instead of a
route guide
(https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/business-industry/partners-and-suppliers/lgr/cycling-aspects-of-austroads-guides.pdf
<https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/business-industry/partners-and-suppliers/lgr/cycling-aspects-of-austroads-guides.pdf>).
> Am 13.04.2020 um 7:21 PM schrieb Andrew Harvey :
>
> Example of a dedicated bicycle crossing on a motorway entry ramp on the M2 in
> Sydney https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3HCnt9rSnC2Z9OLn0GSslA
> <https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3HCnt9rSnC2Z9OLn0GSslA> and on the M7 in
> Sydney https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/JGrFtWbs5DYbMywYpVetoA
> <https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/JGrFtWbs5DYbMywYpVetoA>.
>
> The M7 Shared Path is is a completely different thing, it's a shared path and
> off road, but as you can see above on the M7 motorway itself there is clearly
> dedicated bicycle signage and infrastructure.
>
> Who says it's not recommended to cycle on the motorway? I've never seen a
> sign to say this. Whether it's common or not is irrelevant we mostly map the
> infrastructure on the ground not the traffic level of the road.
>
> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 19:11, Dongchen Yue <mailto:yuedongche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> The most noticeable example in Sydney would be the M7 Shared Path
> (https://www.westlinkm7.com.au/about/shared-path
> <https://www.westlinkm7.com.au/about/shared-path>), which is a ~40km
> uninterrupted bi-directional path alongside the M7 Motorway with normally
> (though obviously not currently) very high usage for recreational cycling.
> However, although cycling on the motorway shoulders is neither recommended
> nor common, it’s been mapped on OSM as the cycle route „M7s"
> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-33.83065/150.85767=C
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/-33.83065/150.85767=C>) along
> with the „M7 Cycleway“ route.
>
>> Am 13.04.2020 um 6:52 PM schrieb Ewen Hill > <mailto:ewen.h...@gmail.com>>:
>>
>> Hi Dongchen,
>>Can you provide a couple of examples please so we can review and discuss
>> them. There may be good reasons (the red carpet Gardiners Creek cycle path
>> in Melbourne hangs under the freeway might appear incorrect but is not).
>>
>> Ewen
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 18:20, Dongchen Yue > <mailto:yuedongche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I’ve noticed many motorway shoulders in Australia (especially in Sydney)
>> being mapped as cycle routes on OSM. Although this seems to be a common
>> approach for motorways/other high-speed roads in Australia of which cycling
>> is allowed on, I can hardly imagine it to be of any practical use (i.e.
>> providing convenient and safe connections for people cycling).
>>
>> Foremostly, this mapping approach defies the general purpose of cycle routes
>> (both from an engineering perspective and the official OSM Wiki), that is,
>> guiding people onto safe & convenient ways. Although cycling on most
>> motorway shoulders in Australia is technically permitted and commonly done
>> by the very few “strong and fearless” people (only ~1%, as indicated in past
>> transport research), it’s both subjectively and statically quite unsafe,
>> which gives no use to most people when rendered on tiles such as
>> OpenCycleMap.
>>
>> Also, these mapped motorway/high-speed road routes aren’t officially
>> endorsed routes whatsoever, and are always referred to as separate pieces of
>> infrastructure (e.g. “… cycleway”) by cycle-lobbying groups.
>> Afterall, these “routes” probably shouldn’t be mapped at all, since they
>> aren’t much use to most people; tagging them with ‘cycling’: ‘designated’
>> and ‘cycleway’: ‘shoulder’ would be sufficient enough. What do you think of
>> this solution?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dongchen Yue
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