Re: [talk-au] Adopting AU prefix in route network

[Dian Ågesson]

Hello list,

Thank you all for the feedback.

I have now integrated the new route number scheme into the tagging 
guidelines page based on the positive feedback.


The old tagging scheme will continue to be documented to assist with the 
transition.


Regards,

Dian

On 2022-09-06 01:05, Dian Ågesson wrote:


Hey Mark,

I asked on Discord and both the ref on ways and on relations are used 
by different data consumers. While newer consumers use the relation, 
many older ones will use the way.


I'd be in favour of keeping the old_ref tags where the value is known. 
In Melbourne, at least, there are a lot of old road signs that will be 
hanging around long after the conversion happens in the area.


Dian

On 2022-09-05 19:53, Mark Pulley wrote:

Just a question about when (if) we do this. In the past I've placed the 
network/ref tags on both the relation and on the individual ways. Do we 
need the route number details on the ways as well, or can these be 
deleted from the ways?


Also, do we still need the old_ref tags (e.g. old route numbers prior 
to conversion to alphanumeric routes)?


If we go ahead with this change, I've got some time in the next few 
weeks, so am willing to volunteer to work on this.


Mark P.

On 26 Aug 2022, at 8:00 pm, Dian Ågesson  wrote:

Hello all,

Following on from a previous discussion on the mailing list [1], I've 
put together guidelines that would allow us to implement AU: prefixes 
in our route network tags.


The content is here: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Diacritic/Proposed_Australian_Routes


I am looking for affirmation that this change is a good idea and should 
be implemented in Australia.


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Re: [talk-au] Adopting AU prefix in route network

[Dian Ågesson]

Hey Mark,

I asked on Discord and both the ref on ways and on relations are used by 
different data consumers. While newer consumers use the relation, many 
older ones will use the way.


I'd be in favour of keeping the old_ref tags where the value is known. 
In Melbourne, at least, there are a lot of old road signs that will be 
hanging around long after the conversion happens in the area.


Dian

On 2022-09-05 19:53, Mark Pulley wrote:

Just a question about when (if) we do this. In the past I've placed the 
network/ref tags on both the relation and on the individual ways. Do we 
need the route number details on the ways as well, or can these be 
deleted from the ways?


Also, do we still need the old_ref tags (e.g. old route numbers prior 
to conversion to alphanumeric routes)?


If we go ahead with this change, I've got some time in the next few 
weeks, so am willing to volunteer to work on this.


Mark P.


On 26 Aug 2022, at 8:00 pm, Dian Ågesson  wrote:

Hello all,

Following on from a previous discussion on the mailing list [1], I've 
put together guidelines that would allow us to implement AU: prefixes 
in our route network tags.


The content is here: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Diacritic/Proposed_Australian_Routes


I am looking for affirmation that this change is a good idea and 
should be implemented in Australia.


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Re: [talk-au] Adopting AU prefix in route network

[Mark Pulley]

Just a question about when (if) we do this. In the past I’ve placed the 
network/ref tags on both the relation and on the individual ways. Do we need 
the route number details on the ways as well, or can these be deleted from the 
ways?

Also, do we still need the old_ref tags (e.g. old route numbers prior to 
conversion to alphanumeric routes)?

If we go ahead with this change, I’ve got some time in the next few weeks, so 
am willing to volunteer to work on this.

Mark P.

> On 26 Aug 2022, at 8:00 pm, Dian Ågesson  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> 
> 
> Following on from a previous discussion on the mailing list 
> , 
> I've put together guidelines that would allow us to implement AU: prefixes in 
> our route network tags.
> 
> The content is here: 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Diacritic/Proposed_Australian_Routes 
> 
> I am looking for affirmation that this change is a good idea and should be 
> implemented in Australia.
> 
> Dian
> 
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Re: [talk-au] Adopting AU prefix in route network

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

A bit connected to this, possibly?

Coming home from a trip away this morning, & spotted a new road sign that I
haven't seen before.

We were on Mt Lindsay Hwy just north of Rathdowney, somewhere about here:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-28.2049/152.8661 & saw what turns
out to be one of these: https://www.artcraft.com.au/g10-5-kilometre-plate
saying "BE 30" (30k to Beaudesert) + National.

https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/safety/signs/route says that "The national
sign (yellow writing on a green background) is a supplementary sign that
identifies national routes."

Don't know if this affects anything you've been working on at all?

Thanks

Graeme


On Fri, 26 Aug 2022 at 20:03, Dian Ågesson  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
> Following on from a previous discussion on the mailing list
> ,
> I've put together guidelines that would allow us to implement AU: prefixes
> in our route network tags.
>
> The content is here:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Diacritic/Proposed_Australian_Routes
>
> I am looking for affirmation that this change is a good idea and should be
> implemented in Australia.
>
> Dian
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[talk-au] Adopting AU prefix in route network

[Dian Ågesson]

Hello all,

Following on from a previous discussion on the mailing list [1], I've 
put together guidelines that would allow us to implement AU: prefixes in 
our route network tags.


The content is here: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Diacritic/Proposed_Australian_Routes


I am looking for affirmation that this change is a good idea and should 
be implemented in Australia.


Dian

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