Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

& on a related subject:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2022-March/015920.html :-(

Thanks

Graeme


On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 23:17,  wrote:

> As I said before, I don't think I'm qualified to decide what exactly, if
> anything of his changes to keep or not. So my plan was to just revert it
> all and then invite him to discuss his changes here first and he can redo
> whatever finds general approval.
>
> To facilitate that, I've committed a few key versions of the wiki source
> of the ATG into git:
>
>
> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/948193462963015700/unknown.png
>
> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558999688670609448/948929961580986418/unknown.png
>
> then branched from the oldest one, and cherry picked the changes not from
> Aaronsta
>
> The result, which I've attached to his message, should contain the up to
> date source of the ATG wiki page, with only the changes made by Aaronsta
> reverted, while preserving changes made by everyone else.
>
> At this point, reverting Aaronsta's changes, and only his, should be as
> easy as editing the ATG page and pasting the contents of the attached
> atg.txt as new source for the whole page.
>
> Cheers,
> Thorsten
>
> -Original Message-
> From: fors...@ozonline.com.au 
> Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2022 20:37
> To: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
> Cc: Graeme Fitzpatrick ; Dian Ã?gesson <
> m...@diacritic.xyz>; OSM Australian Talk List 
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?
>
> Hi OSM community
>
> Regarding the case of Aaronsta's edits.
> I have been unsuccessful for the last week in contacting Aaron.
> The DWG has placed a zero hour block on Aaron's account Aaron has not
> accessed his account for the last two days and has not read the block
> information.
>
> Thorsten, for the community's benefit, can you please detail your planned
> roll back of Aaron's wiki edits. I presume the community will support your
> plans, if they do please action them.
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
> __
> > Hi Aaron
> >
> > My sincere thanks on behalf of the Australian Open Street Map
> > community for your many contributions to the map.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there is some dissatisfaction in the Australian Open
> > Street Map community with some of your larger edits including wiki
> > changes on bikes and paths and the deletion of the Perth bike route
> > network.
> >
> > We ask you to seek consensus from the community before making large
> > changes, particularly changes which reverse prior understandings and
> > are large in scope.
> >
> > Your changes to the wiki on bikes and paths are a particular issue in
> > this letter. We propose a six step process in reverting the Australian
> > Tagging Guidelines to community understandings of tagging practice.
> >
> >  1 get community support from talk-au for this process
> >  2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
> >  3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
> >  4 Dian tidies up the wiki
> >  5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
> >  6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow
> > the agreed process
> >
> > We are at step 2. It is important that we know you have read this
> > letter. Please reply by changeset comment or better by a post to
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/
> >
> > This is your opportunity to put your case. There is a lot of
> > discussion on talk-au regarding your edits. I suggest you read it and
> respond.
> > Please let us know whether you agree with the 6 step process and if
> > you do not agree, your reasons.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tony Forster
> >
> > __
> >> Yep, great plan.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Graeme
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 05:28,  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all
> >>> Can I suggest the following
> >>>
> >>> 1 get community support from talk au for this process
> >>> 2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
> >>> 3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
> >>> 4 Dian tidys up the wiki
> >>> 5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
> >>> 6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow
> >>> the agreed process
> >>>
> >>> Tony
> >>
>
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[osm.talk-au]

As I said before, I don't think I'm qualified to decide what exactly, if 
anything of his changes to keep or not. So my plan was to just revert it all 
and then invite him to discuss his changes here first and he can redo whatever 
finds general approval.

To facilitate that, I've committed a few key versions of the wiki source of the 
ATG into git:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/471231032645910529/948193462963015700/unknown.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558999688670609448/948929961580986418/unknown.png

then branched from the oldest one, and cherry picked the changes not from 
Aaronsta

The result, which I've attached to his message, should contain the up to date 
source of the ATG wiki page, with only the changes made by Aaronsta reverted, 
while preserving changes made by everyone else.

At this point, reverting Aaronsta's changes, and only his, should be as easy as 
editing the ATG page and pasting the contents of the attached atg.txt as new 
source for the whole page.

Cheers,
Thorsten

-Original Message-
From: fors...@ozonline.com.au  
Sent: Thursday, 3 March 2022 20:37
To: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
Cc: Graeme Fitzpatrick ; Dian Ã?gesson 
; OSM Australian Talk List 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

Hi OSM community

Regarding the case of Aaronsta's edits.
I have been unsuccessful for the last week in contacting Aaron.
The DWG has placed a zero hour block on Aaron's account Aaron has not accessed 
his account for the last two days and has not read the block information.

Thorsten, for the community's benefit, can you please detail your planned roll 
back of Aaron's wiki edits. I presume the community will support your plans, if 
they do please action them.

Thanks
Tony

__
> Hi Aaron
>
> My sincere thanks on behalf of the Australian Open Street Map 
> community for your many contributions to the map.
>
> Unfortunately, there is some dissatisfaction in the Australian Open 
> Street Map community with some of your larger edits including wiki 
> changes on bikes and paths and the deletion of the Perth bike route 
> network.
>
> We ask you to seek consensus from the community before making large 
> changes, particularly changes which reverse prior understandings and 
> are large in scope.
>
> Your changes to the wiki on bikes and paths are a particular issue in 
> this letter. We propose a six step process in reverting the Australian 
> Tagging Guidelines to community understandings of tagging practice.
>
>  1 get community support from talk-au for this process
>  2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
>  3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
>  4 Dian tidies up the wiki
>  5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
>  6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow 
> the agreed process
>
> We are at step 2. It is important that we know you have read this 
> letter. Please reply by changeset comment or better by a post to 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/
>
> This is your opportunity to put your case. There is a lot of 
> discussion on talk-au regarding your edits. I suggest you read it and respond.
> Please let us know whether you agree with the 6 step process and if 
> you do not agree, your reasons.
>
> Thanks
> Tony Forster
>
> __
>> Yep, great plan.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 05:28,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>> Can I suggest the following
>>>
>>> 1 get community support from talk au for this process
>>> 2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
>>> 3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
>>> 4 Dian tidys up the wiki
>>> 5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
>>> 6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow 
>>> the agreed process
>>>
>>> Tony
>>




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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[forster]

Hi OSM community

Regarding the case of Aaronsta's edits.
I have been unsuccessful for the last week in contacting Aaron.
The DWG has placed a zero hour block on Aaron's account
Aaron has not accessed his account for the last two days and has not  
read the block information.


Thorsten, for the community's benefit, can you please detail your  
planned roll back of Aaron's wiki edits. I presume the community will  
support your plans, if they do please action them.


Thanks
Tony

__

Hi Aaron

My sincere thanks on behalf of the Australian Open Street Map community
for your many contributions to the map.

Unfortunately, there is some dissatisfaction in the Australian Open
Street Map community with some of your larger edits including wiki
changes on bikes and paths and the deletion of the Perth bike route
network.

We ask you to seek consensus from the community before making large
changes, particularly changes which reverse prior understandings and
are large in scope.

Your changes to the wiki on bikes and paths are a particular issue in
this letter. We propose a six step process in reverting the Australian
Tagging Guidelines to community understandings of tagging practice.

 1 get community support from talk-au for this process
 2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
 3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
 4 Dian tidies up the wiki
 5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
 6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow
the agreed process

We are at step 2. It is important that we know you have read this
letter. Please reply by changeset comment or better by a post to
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/

This is your opportunity to put your case. There is a lot of discussion
on talk-au regarding your edits. I suggest you read it and respond.
Please let us know whether you agree with the 6 step process and if you
do not agree, your reasons.

Thanks
Tony Forster

__

Yep, great plan.

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 05:28,  wrote:


Hi all
Can I suggest the following

1 get community support from talk au for this process
2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
4 Dian tidys up the wiki
5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow
the agreed process

Tony








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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[forster]

Hi community
I have written to Aaron by changeset comment, wiki user_talk page and  
through this list. I am awaiting his reply.



1 get community support from talk au for this process
2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
4 Dian tidies up the wiki
5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow  
 the agreed process


 Tony




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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[osm.talk-au]

Just to make this clear:

I'm not really sure I'm qualified to pick and choose on my own what among his 
changes is acceptable or not. That's the whole issue with them, there are 
extensive changes, some of which replace previous specified tagging with 
fundamental different one, and none of them have in any way be discussed.

There may well be parts of his changes that are fine, but I can't just make 
that determination on my own. That's that same as him just making the changes 
undiscussed in the first place.

I can probably using the history figure out what the source of the page should 
look like without any of his changes, if that's what's meant with "agreed 
state".

Cheers,
Thorsten

-Original Message-
From: fors...@ozonline.com.au  
Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2022 05:26
To: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au; Dian Ã?gesson 
Cc: 'OSM Australian Talk List' 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

Hi all
Can I suggest the following

1 get community support from talk au for this process
2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
4 Dian tidys up the wiki
5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow the agreed 
process

Tony
Quoting osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au:

> Well, rearranging and editing, on top of the questionable edits that  
>  are currently on top of the stack of revisions, will cement these   
> changes and make it harder to revert them.
>
>
>
> Some of the changes have completely replaced what previously was   
> listed as correct tagging practice with something totally different.
>
>
>
> From: Dian Ã…gesson 
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2022 03:04
> To: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
> Cc: 'OSM Australian Talk List' 
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?
>
>
>
> Hey Thorsten,
>
> While I don’t intend to simply rearrange sections verbatim, I want  
>  to focus on tidying, copy editing for spelling/grammar, and   
> consolidating rather than making editorial decisions.
>
> As Andrew suggested, I will reach out if there is something   
> egregiously incorrect or contradictory, but I’m not intending to   
> validate the entire wiki for correctness: I feel as though that   
> would be beyond the remit of “tidying”.
>
> More than happy to work with simultaneous updates and additions   
> though—I don’t think it’s a task that can be done in one edit!
>
> Dian
>
> On 2022-02-22 18:54, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au   
>   wrote:
>
> If you do, please make sure to not just incorporate the recent   
> undiscussed, subjective, if not outright wrong changes by Aaronsta.
>
>
>
> From: Dian Ã…gesson mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz> >
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:00
> To: OSM Australian Talk List   >
> Subject: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> The wiki contains loads of really good information, but it's a   
> little bit hard to navigate: the Australian Tagging Guidelines page   
> seems to contain the most current information but is getting very   
> long. There are a lot of state-specific articles that don't seem to   
> have been updated since 2009.
>
> I'd like to do a bit of housekeeping: tidy up some of the sections,   
> mark some of the pages as archived, etc, to try and make it more   
> approachable for newbies and more maintainable. Nothing substantive   
> would change, nothing would be deleted. Does anyone have any   
> objections, thoughts or concerns with regard to this?
>
>
>
> dian
>
>
>
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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[forster]

Thanks OSM community

Here is a draft of a letter to Aaron. He may be listening to this list  
and will read it. I also will post it as a changeset comment. The  
letter is a bit rough, edits are welcome.


Tony

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Hi Aaron

My sincere thanks on behalf of the Australian Open Street Map  
community for your many contributions to the map.


Unfortunately, there is some dissatisfaction in the Australian Open  
Street Map community with some of your larger edits including wiki  
changes on bikes and paths and the deletion of the Perth bike route  
network.


We ask you to seek consensus from the community before making large  
changes, particularly changes which reverse prior understandings and  
are large in scope.


Your changes to the wiki on bikes and paths are a particular issue in  
this letter. We propose a six step process in reverting the Australian  
Tagging Guidelines to community understandings of tagging practice.


 1 get community support from talk-au for this process
 2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
 3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
 4 Dian tidies up the wiki
 5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
 6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow  
the agreed process


We are at step 2. It is important that we know you have read this  
letter. Please reply by changeset comment or better by a post to  
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/


This is your opportunity to put your case. There is a lot of  
discussion on talk-au regarding your edits. I suggest you read it and  
respond. Please let us know whether you agree with the 6 step process  
and if you do not agree, your reasons.


Thanks
Tony Forster

__

Yep, great plan.

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 05:28,  wrote:


Hi all
Can I suggest the following

1 get community support from talk au for this process
2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
4 Dian tidys up the wiki
5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow
the agreed process

Tony






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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Yep, great plan.

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 05:28,  wrote:

> Hi all
> Can I suggest the following
>
> 1 get community support from talk au for this process
> 2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
> 3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
> 4 Dian tidys up the wiki
> 5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
> 6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow
> the agreed process
>
> Tony
>
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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[Ewen Hill]

Hi Tony,
  I wholeheartedly agree with this process and thank you Dian for making it
easier for new editors.

Ewen

On Wed, 23 Feb 2022 at 06:28,  wrote:

> Hi all
> Can I suggest the following
>
> 1 get community support from talk au for this process
> 2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
> 3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
> 4 Dian tidys up the wiki
> 5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
> 6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow
> the agreed process
>
> Tony
> Quoting osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au:
>
> > Well, rearranging and editing, on top of the questionable edits that
> >  are currently on top of the stack of revisions, will cement these
> > changes and make it harder to revert them.
> >
> >
> >
> > Some of the changes have completely replaced what previously was
> > listed as correct tagging practice with something totally different.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Dian Ã…gesson 
> > Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2022 03:04
> > To: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
> > Cc: 'OSM Australian Talk List' 
> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Thorsten,
> >
> > While I don’t intend to simply rearrange sections verbatim, I want
> >  to focus on tidying, copy editing for spelling/grammar, and
> > consolidating rather than making editorial decisions.
> >
> > As Andrew suggested, I will reach out if there is something
> > egregiously incorrect or contradictory, but I’m not intending to
> > validate the entire wiki for correctness: I feel as though that
> > would be beyond the remit of “tidying†.
> >
> > More than happy to work with simultaneous updates and additions
> > though—I don’t think it’s a task that can be done in one edit!
> >
> > Dian
> >
> > On 2022-02-22 18:54, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
> >   wrote:
> >
> > If you do, please make sure to not just incorporate the recent
> > undiscussed, subjective, if not outright wrong changes by Aaronsta.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Dian Ã…gesson mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:00
> > To: OSM Australian Talk List  >  >
> > Subject: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > The wiki contains loads of really good information, but it's a
> > little bit hard to navigate: the Australian Tagging Guidelines page
> > seems to contain the most current information but is getting very
> > long. There are a lot of state-specific articles that don't seem to
> > have been updated since 2009.
> >
> > I'd like to do a bit of housekeeping: tidy up some of the sections,
> > mark some of the pages as archived, etc, to try and make it more
> > approachable for newbies and more maintainable. Nothing substantive
> > would change, nothing would be deleted. Does anyone have any
> > objections, thoughts or concerns with regard to this?
> >
> >
> >
> > dian
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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>
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>
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-- 
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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[forster]

Hi all
Can I suggest the following

1 get community support from talk au for this process
2 Contact Aaron and get his agreement
3 Thorsten rolls back the wiki to an agreed state
4 Dian tidys up the wiki
5 Aaron does not edit the wiki until Dian has finished
6 we do not call for DWG intervention unless a party will not follow  
the agreed process


Tony
Quoting osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au:

Well, rearranging and editing, on top of the questionable edits that  
 are currently on top of the stack of revisions, will cement these   
changes and make it harder to revert them.




Some of the changes have completely replaced what previously was   
listed as correct tagging practice with something totally different.




From: Dian Ågesson 
Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2022 03:04
To: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
Cc: 'OSM Australian Talk List' 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?



Hey Thorsten,

While I don’t intend to simply rearrange sections verbatim, I want  
 to focus on tidying, copy editing for spelling/grammar, and   
consolidating rather than making editorial decisions.


As Andrew suggested, I will reach out if there is something   
egregiously incorrect or contradictory, but I’m not intending to   
validate the entire wiki for correctness: I feel as though that   
would be beyond the remit of “tidying”.


More than happy to work with simultaneous updates and additions   
though—I don’t think it’s a task that can be done in one edit!


Dian

On 2022-02-22 18:54, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au   
  wrote:


If you do, please make sure to not just incorporate the recent   
undiscussed, subjective, if not outright wrong changes by Aaronsta.




From: Dian Ågesson mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz> >
Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:00
To: OSM Australian Talk List  >

Subject: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?



Hello,

The wiki contains loads of really good information, but it's a   
little bit hard to navigate: the Australian Tagging Guidelines page   
seems to contain the most current information but is getting very   
long. There are a lot of state-specific articles that don't seem to   
have been updated since 2009.


I'd like to do a bit of housekeeping: tidy up some of the sections,   
mark some of the pages as archived, etc, to try and make it more   
approachable for newbies and more maintainable. Nothing substantive   
would change, nothing would be deleted. Does anyone have any   
objections, thoughts or concerns with regard to this?




dian



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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[osm.talk-au]

Well, rearranging and editing, on top of the questionable edits that are 
currently on top of the stack of revisions, will cement these changes and make 
it harder to revert them.

 

Some of the changes have completely replaced what previously was listed as 
correct tagging practice with something totally different.

 

From: Dian Ågesson  
Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2022 03:04
To: osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au
Cc: 'OSM Australian Talk List' 
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

 

Hey Thorsten,

While I don’t intend to simply rearrange sections verbatim, I want to focus on 
tidying, copy editing for spelling/grammar, and consolidating rather than 
making editorial decisions.

As Andrew suggested, I will reach out if there is something egregiously 
incorrect or contradictory, but I’m not intending to validate the entire wiki 
for correctness: I feel as though that would be beyond the remit of “tidying”. 

More than happy to work with simultaneous updates and additions though—I don’t 
think it’s a task that can be done in one edit!

Dian

On 2022-02-22 18:54, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au 
  wrote:

If you do, please make sure to not just incorporate the recent undiscussed, 
subjective, if not outright wrong changes by Aaronsta.

 

From: Dian Ågesson mailto:m...@diacritic.xyz> > 
Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:00
To: OSM Australian Talk List mailto:talk-au@openstreetmap.org> >
Subject: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

 

Hello,

The wiki contains loads of really good information, but it's a little bit hard 
to navigate: the Australian Tagging Guidelines page seems to contain the most 
current information but is getting very long. There are a lot of state-specific 
articles that don't seem to have been updated since 2009.

I'd like to do a bit of housekeeping: tidy up some of the sections, mark some 
of the pages as archived, etc, to try and make it more approachable for newbies 
and more maintainable. Nothing substantive would change, nothing would be 
deleted. Does anyone have any objections, thoughts or concerns with regard to 
this?

 

dian

 

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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[Dian Ågesson]

Hey Thorsten,

While I don't intend to simply rearrange sections verbatim, I want to 
focus on tidying, copy editing for spelling/grammar, and consolidating 
rather than making editorial decisions.


As Andrew suggested, I will reach out if there is something egregiously 
incorrect or contradictory, but I'm not intending to validate the entire 
wiki for correctness: I feel as though that would be beyond the remit of 
"tidying".


More than happy to work with simultaneous updates and additions 
though--I don't think it's a task that can be done in one edit!


Dian

On 2022-02-22 18:54, osm.talk...@thorsten.engler.id.au wrote:

If you do, please make sure to not just incorporate the recent 
undiscussed, subjective, if not outright wrong changes by Aaronsta.


From: Dian Ågesson 
Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:00
To: OSM Australian Talk List 
Subject: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

Hello,

The wiki contains loads of really good information, but it's a little 
bit hard to navigate: the Australian Tagging Guidelines page seems to 
contain the most current information but is getting very long. There 
are a lot of state-specific articles that don't seem to have been 
updated since 2009.


I'd like to do a bit of housekeeping: tidy up some of the sections, 
mark some of the pages as archived, etc, to try and make it more 
approachable for newbies and more maintainable. Nothing substantive 
would change, nothing would be deleted. Does anyone have any 
objections, thoughts or concerns with regard to this?


dian
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If you do, please make sure to not just incorporate the recent undiscussed, 
subjective, if not outright wrong changes by Aaronsta.

 

From: Dian Ågesson  
Sent: Tuesday, 22 February 2022 17:00
To: OSM Australian Talk List 
Subject: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

 

Hello,

The wiki contains loads of really good information, but it's a little bit hard 
to navigate: the Australian Tagging Guidelines page seems to contain the most 
current information but is getting very long. There are a lot of state-specific 
articles that don't seem to have been updated since 2009.

I'd like to do a bit of housekeeping: tidy up some of the sections, mark some 
of the pages as archived, etc, to try and make it more approachable for newbies 
and more maintainable. Nothing substantive would change, nothing would be 
deleted. Does anyone have any objections, thoughts or concerns with regard to 
this?

 

dian

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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Nice idea, thanks Dian!

I've thought the same thing myself a few times but it's all too hard!

I also think that a number of things there, especially with roads, are
exactly teh same as the main wiki, so they shouldn't really need to be
mentioned specially?

Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 17:13, Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> Sounds good to me, if there's anything that could be controversial like
> specific tagging recommendations then feel free to either raise on the talk
> page or on this list.
>
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 18:03, Dian Ågesson  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The wiki contains loads of really good information, but it's a little bit
>> hard to navigate: the Australian Tagging Guidelines page seems to contain
>> the most current information but is getting very long. There are a lot of
>> state-specific articles that don't seem to have been updated since 2009.
>>
>> I'd like to do a bit of housekeeping: tidy up some of the sections, mark
>> some of the pages as archived, etc, to try and make it more approachable
>> for newbies and more maintainable. Nothing substantive would change,
>> nothing would be deleted. Does anyone have any objections, thoughts or
>> concerns with regard to this?
>>
>>
>> dian
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Re: [talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[Andrew Harvey]

Sounds good to me, if there's anything that could be controversial like
specific tagging recommendations then feel free to either raise on the talk
page or on this list.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 18:03, Dian Ågesson  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The wiki contains loads of really good information, but it's a little bit
> hard to navigate: the Australian Tagging Guidelines page seems to contain
> the most current information but is getting very long. There are a lot of
> state-specific articles that don't seem to have been updated since 2009.
>
> I'd like to do a bit of housekeeping: tidy up some of the sections, mark
> some of the pages as archived, etc, to try and make it more approachable
> for newbies and more maintainable. Nothing substantive would change,
> nothing would be deleted. Does anyone have any objections, thoughts or
> concerns with regard to this?
>
>
> dian
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[talk-au] Anyone mind if I tidy the wiki a bit?

[Dian Ågesson]

Hello,

The wiki contains loads of really good information, but it's a little 
bit hard to navigate: the Australian Tagging Guidelines page seems to 
contain the most current information but is getting very long. There are 
a lot of state-specific articles that don't seem to have been updated 
since 2009.


I'd like to do a bit of housekeeping: tidy up some of the sections, mark 
some of the pages as archived, etc, to try and make it more approachable 
for newbies and more maintainable. Nothing substantive would change, 
nothing would be deleted. Does anyone have any objections, thoughts or 
concerns with regard to this?


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