Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On 27 January 2011 08:58, Steve Bennett wrote: > Although it's a non-issue here as pointed out below, we really should > get a policy on this. IMHO tags should reflect whatever makes the most > sense to the most people, whether that's British, American or > otherwise. I'd agree, except there's a bit missing. "As long as it is not intuitively wrong for a large minority." Not something that applies in this case, but there are examples where large numbers of people can get totally the wrong idea by looking at a tag alone. It would be nice in those cases if we could find a more neutral term, even if it is not the one that the majority would think of first. Stephen ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 3:12 AM, David Murn wrote: > The only issue I would have, is with the spelling of licence. Steve > suggested licensed but as OSM is traditionally British English, shouldnt > licenced=yes/no be used? Although it's a non-issue here as pointed out below, we really should get a policy on this. IMHO tags should reflect whatever makes the most sense to the most people, whether that's British, American or otherwise. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:19:45 + SomeoneElse wrote: > On 26/01/2011 16:12, David Murn wrote: > > The only issue I would have, is with the spelling of licence. Steve > > suggested licensed but as OSM is traditionally British English, > > shouldnt licenced=yes/no be used? > > taginfo shows licenced=yes has 2 usages where licensed=yes has 9, > > so its early enough to still rectify the discrepencies. > > > > > > In British English licence = noun; license=verb, I believe: > > http://www.future-perfect.co.uk/grammartips/grammar-tip-license-licence.asp > > so "licensed=yes" is correct I think? In American English it's > "license" for both I believe. > > Cheers, > Andy > We are already using licensed_club because that is exactly how it is in Au English http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Licensed_Club ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On 26/01/2011 16:12, David Murn wrote: The only issue I would have, is with the spelling of licence. Steve suggested licensed but as OSM is traditionally British English, shouldnt licenced=yes/no be used? taginfo shows licenced=yes has 2 usages where licensed=yes has 9, so its early enough to still rectify the discrepencies. In British English licence = noun; license=verb, I believe: http://www.future-perfect.co.uk/grammartips/grammar-tip-license-licence.asp so "licensed=yes" is correct I think? In American English it's "license" for both I believe. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 13:55 +1100, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:58:04 +1000 > John Smith wrote: > > > On 26 January 2011 09:21, David Murn wrote: > > > Upon doing a bit of research, the exact meaning varies depending on > > > where you are. In [1]New York for example, a BYO establishment MUST > > > have a liquor license. In [2]Victoria, a BYO license (actually a > > > permit) is for places that dont have a liquor license. > > > > So what was your conclusion? > > > Drink more or less? I think the patriotic thing to do would be to visit some more licenced premises before I reach a conclusion. However, I think that given the differences abound in different regions, Steve's suggestion of a binary yes/no for both licenced and byo would be the best option unless any further complications arise (eg, BYO beer or wine). Steves suggested: licenced=yes/no byo=yes/no The only issue I would have, is with the spelling of licence. Steve suggested licensed but as OSM is traditionally British English, shouldnt licenced=yes/no be used? taginfo shows licenced=yes has 2 usages where licensed=yes has 9, so its early enough to still rectify the discrepencies. David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On 26/01/2011 10:21 AM, David Murn wrote: Upon doing a bit of research, the exact meaning varies depending on where you are. In [1]New York for example, a BYO establishment MUST have a liquor license. In [2]Victoria, a BYO license (actually a permit) is for places that dont have a liquor license. Now that I think about it, I was using "licensed" in the informal sense of "sells alcohol". That may be an Australianism. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:58:04 +1000 John Smith wrote: > On 26 January 2011 09:21, David Murn wrote: > > Upon doing a bit of research, the exact meaning varies depending on > > where you are. In [1]New York for example, a BYO establishment MUST > > have a liquor license. In [2]Victoria, a BYO license (actually a > > permit) is for places that dont have a liquor license. > > So what was your conclusion? > Drink more or less? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On 26 January 2011 09:21, David Murn wrote: > Upon doing a bit of research, the exact meaning varies depending on > where you are. In [1]New York for example, a BYO establishment MUST > have a liquor license. In [2]Victoria, a BYO license (actually a > permit) is for places that dont have a liquor license. So what was your conclusion? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 15:33 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:08 AM, John Smith > wrote: > > amenity=restaurant > > licensed=yes/no/byo > > Yeah, but they're not mutually exclusive. All four combinations exist, > including licensed *and* byo (with corkage, usually), and licensed > *and not* byo. Upon doing a bit of research, the exact meaning varies depending on where you are. In [1]New York for example, a BYO establishment MUST have a liquor license. In [2]Victoria, a BYO license (actually a permit) is for places that dont have a liquor license. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYOB [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Australia David ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:08 AM, John Smith wrote: > amenity=restaurant > licensed=yes/no/byo Yeah, but they're not mutually exclusive. All four combinations exist, including licensed *and* byo (with corkage, usually), and licensed *and not* byo. licensed=yes/no byo=yes/no Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On 24/01/2011 23:08, John Smith wrote: Not all restaurants are licensed... amenity=restaurant licensed=yes/no/byo Sounds good to me - thanks. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
seems sensible as the tag can be applied generally cheers On 25/01/2011 10:08 AM, "John Smith" wrote: > On 24 January 2011 06:06, SomeoneElse wrote: >> Hi - quick question - what's the normal way to indicate BYO vs licenced >> restaurants? > > Not all restaurants are licensed... > > amenity=restaurant > licensed=yes/no/byo > > ___ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] BYO restaurants
On 24 January 2011 06:06, SomeoneElse wrote: > Hi - quick question - what's the normal way to indicate BYO vs licenced > restaurants? Not all restaurants are licensed... amenity=restaurant licensed=yes/no/byo ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] BYO restaurants
Hi - quick question - what's the normal way to indicate BYO vs licenced restaurants? Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
