[talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[forster]

Hi

If you have rights to that photo and you are going to tag  
highway=emergency_access_point its worth putting the photo on the wiki

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point

As you say with a 3 letter prefix PBM010 it looks like it was intended  
at some stage for the ESTA data set though it is only recognisable to  
PBR staff and presumably the point of the ESTA markers is that they  
are uniform and recognisable by the public.


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Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[forster]

Not sure how much we can trust any of these. I assume these markers are
visible signs/posts at the roadside and can be surveyed?
Adam


Adam
Sorry for the delay.
Yes, they are visible signs/posts at the roadside and can be surveyed.
I have put a photo of one in Victoria Australia at  
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point#Examples


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Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[Warin]

To 'get it right' simply go to the location where (you think) it is and 
survey it.


You can use what ever copyright source yo want to find something, but 
having found it then the location has beeen surveyed by you and has no 
copyright on that survey (unless you want to put one on it).



On 20/10/21 12:58 pm, Adam Horan wrote:
The original changeset that introduced this marker and at least one 
other is from 12 years ago and unsourced.


In changeset https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/1630681 

MOR549 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429407301 

MOR507 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429407299 



In https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/1618012 

PNP401 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429089079 

PNP101 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429090789 

PNP505 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429110571/ 



Not sure how much we can trust any of these. I assume these markers 
are visible signs/posts at the roadside and can be surveyed?


Adam


On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 12:42, > wrote:


Hi
I think that, because its a emergency marker, its important to get
it right.

Its a HighRouler edit so we will have to decide what, if anything, to
do with it.  Its been at London Bridge for 12 years, recently
moved to
a point 100m north. But I am not allowed to "know" that the two
locations are 30km from the  location according to the Emergency
Services Telecommunications Authority.

Thanks
Tony

> I don't think that's a compatible source, for starters that page
lists it
> as Creative Commons Non-Commercial.
>
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 10:22, mailto:fors...@ozonline.com.au>> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I want to put the emergency marker MOR507 where I think it belongs
>>
>> MOR507 node=429407299
>>
>> not London Bridge (in either of its two recent locations)but
>> LATITUDE-38.473502 LONGITUDE 144.92752 Bushrangers Bay car park
>>
>> Is
>>
>>

https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28


>> an allowable
>> source?
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[Adam Horan]

The original changeset that introduced this marker and at least one other
is from 12 years ago and unsourced.

In changeset https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/1630681
MOR549  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429407301
MOR507 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429407299

In https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/1618012
PNP401 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429089079
PNP101  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429090789
PNP505  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429110571/

Not sure how much we can trust any of these. I assume these markers are
visible signs/posts at the roadside and can be surveyed?

Adam


On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 12:42,  wrote:

> Hi
> I think that, because its a emergency marker, its important to get it
> right.
>
> Its a HighRouler edit so we will have to decide what, if anything, to
> do with it.  Its been at London Bridge for 12 years, recently moved to
> a point 100m north. But I am not allowed to "know" that the two
> locations are 30km from the  location according to the Emergency
> Services Telecommunications Authority.
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
> > I don't think that's a compatible source, for starters that page lists it
> > as Creative Commons Non-Commercial.
> >
> > On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 10:22,  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I want to put the emergency marker MOR507 where I think it belongs
> >>
> >> MOR507 node=429407299
> >>
> >> not London Bridge (in either of its two recent locations)but
> >> LATITUDE-38.473502 LONGITUDE 144.92752 Bushrangers Bay car park
> >>
> >> Is
> >>
> >>
> https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28
> >> an allowable
> >> source?
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >>
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Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[forster]

Hi
I think that, because its a emergency marker, its important to get it right.

Its a HighRouler edit so we will have to decide what, if anything, to  
do with it.  Its been at London Bridge for 12 years, recently moved to  
a point 100m north. But I am not allowed to "know" that the two  
locations are 30km from the  location according to the Emergency  
Services Telecommunications Authority.


Thanks
Tony


I don't think that's a compatible source, for starters that page lists it
as Creative Commons Non-Commercial.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 10:22,  wrote:


Hi

I want to put the emergency marker MOR507 where I think it belongs

MOR507 node=429407299

not London Bridge (in either of its two recent locations)but
LATITUDE-38.473502 LONGITUDE 144.92752 Bushrangers Bay car park

Is

https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28
an allowable
source?

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Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[Andrew Harvey]

I don't think that's a compatible source, for starters that page lists it
as Creative Commons Non-Commercial.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 10:22,  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I want to put the emergency marker MOR507 where I think it belongs
>
> MOR507 node=429407299
>
> not London Bridge (in either of its two recent locations)but
> LATITUDE-38.473502 LONGITUDE 144.92752 Bushrangers Bay car park
>
> Is
>
> https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28
> an allowable
> source?
>
> Tony
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[talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[forster]

Hi

I want to put the emergency marker MOR507 where I think it belongs

MOR507 node=429407299

not London Bridge (in either of its two recent locations)but  
LATITUDE-38.473502 LONGITUDE 144.92752 Bushrangers Bay car park


Is  
https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28 an allowable  
source?


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Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

[John Smith]

On 1 February 2011 11:56, Elizabeth Dodd  wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:21:08 +1000
> John Smith  wrote:
>
>> What about the national parks mentioned previously that don't actually
>> have paths to prevent people from creating goat tracks?
>
> Someone must have got in there with the sign, somehow.

Indeed, but the point is there may not be a track near the markers,
they could just be points arbitrarily placed to make it easier for
people to find cross country bush walkers.

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Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

[Elizabeth Dodd]

On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:21:08 +1000
John Smith  wrote:

> What about the national parks mentioned previously that don't actually
> have paths to prevent people from creating goat tracks?

Someone must have got in there with the sign, somehow.

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Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

[Luke Woolley]

Wasn't thinking outside the box on that one! Was thinking in terms of
the time and effort required for emergency services to reach the
location marker, say if it was located on a remote narrow and steep
bushwalking track. But where there is a will, there is a way!

On 1 February 2011 11:41, Elizabeth Dodd  wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:37:15 +1100
> Luke Woolley  wrote:
>
>>  Doesn't make sense putting emergency markers in places where
>> emergency vehicles can't get access.
> why not?
> just because the emergency workers have to walk?
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Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

[John Smith]

On 1 February 2011 10:18, David Murn  wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 09:33 +1000, John Smith wrote:
>> On 31 January 2011 23:10, Luke Woolley  wrote:
>> > There is already a tag set up for that purpose:
>> > highway=emergency_access_point
>> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point
>>
>> The only problem I have with using highway=* for this is not all
>> signed points are on highways.
>
> But also, not all highway=*'s are highways.  Even if an emergency point
> has no vehicle access, theres obviously access to it from somewhere
> along a 'way', whether thats a highway=motorway or a highway=path.

What about the national parks mentioned previously that don't actually
have paths to prevent people from creating goat tracks?

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Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

[Elizabeth Dodd]

On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:37:15 +1100
Luke Woolley  wrote:

>  Doesn't make sense putting emergency markers in places where
> emergency vehicles can't get access.
why not?
just because the emergency workers have to walk?

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Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

[David Murn]

On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 09:33 +1000, John Smith wrote:
> On 31 January 2011 23:10, Luke Woolley  wrote:
> > There is already a tag set up for that purpose:
> > highway=emergency_access_point
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point
> 
> The only problem I have with using highway=* for this is not all
> signed points are on highways.

But also, not all highway=*'s are highways.  Even if an emergency point
has no vehicle access, theres obviously access to it from somewhere
along a 'way', whether thats a highway=motorway or a highway=path.

David


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Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

[Evan Sebire]

There are a few around here that don't have vehicle access (helicopter / foot 
only).  It's just unfortunate that it was directly translated from German and 
a native English speaker did not come up with the tag.  I did a search but 
didn't come up with anything, that why I posed the question to the list.

Evan

On Tuesday 01 Feb 2011 10:37:15 Luke Woolley wrote:
> Thats true, it did strike me as odd how it's in the highway category but I
> guess it's because most locations where these markers would be would have
> some kind of vehicle access. Doesn't make sense putting emergency markers
> in places where emergency vehicles can't get access.
> 
> On 01/02/2011, at 10:33 AM, John Smith wrote:
> > On 31 January 2011 23:10, Luke Woolley  wrote:
> >> There is already a tag set up for that purpose:
> >> highway=emergency_access_point
> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point
> > 
> > The only problem I have with using highway=* for this is not all
> > signed points are on highways.

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Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

[John Smith]

On 1 February 2011 09:37, Luke Woolley  wrote:
> Thats true, it did strike me as odd how it's in the highway category but I 
> guess it's because most locations where these markers would be would have 
> some kind of vehicle access. Doesn't make sense putting emergency markers in 
> places where emergency vehicles can't get access.

Isn't that what helicopters are for? :)

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Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

[Luke Woolley]

Thats true, it did strike me as odd how it's in the highway category but I 
guess it's because most locations where these markers would be would have some 
kind of vehicle access. Doesn't make sense putting emergency markers in places 
where emergency vehicles can't get access.

On 01/02/2011, at 10:33 AM, John Smith wrote:

> On 31 January 2011 23:10, Luke Woolley  wrote:
>> There is already a tag set up for that purpose:
>> highway=emergency_access_point
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point
> 
> The only problem I have with using highway=* for this is not all
> signed points are on highways.


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Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

[John Smith]

On 31 January 2011 23:10, Luke Woolley  wrote:
> There is already a tag set up for that purpose:
> highway=emergency_access_point
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point

The only problem I have with using highway=* for this is not all
signed points are on highways.

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Re: [talk-au] Emergency Markers

[Luke Woolley]

There is already a tag set up for that purpose: highway=emergency_access_point

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point

Been meaning to add some myself but never got  around to it.

On 01/02/2011, at 12:05 AM, Evan Sebire wrote:

> 
> Hi everyone,
>  Over the past year I've slowly collected quite a few geo-tagged photos of 
> emergency markers, now to tag them, was thinking something like:
> 
> emergency=marker
> reg_ref= actual marker code, e.g. 'SYR103'
> 
> It would be great if they were displayed on the map!
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Evan
> 
> 
> 
> Informative links:
> http://www.esta.vic.gov.au/Our+Role/Our+Services/Emergency+Markers
> http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/1process_content.cfm?section=184&page=2
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[talk-au] Emergency Markers

[Evan Sebire]

Hi everyone,
  Over the past year I've slowly collected quite a few geo-tagged photos of 
emergency markers, now to tag them, was thinking something like:

emergency=marker
reg_ref= actual marker code, e.g. 'SYR103'

It would be great if they were displayed on the map!
Any suggestions?

Evan



Informative links:
http://www.esta.vic.gov.au/Our+Role/Our+Services/Emergency+Markers
http://www.parkweb.vic.gov.au/1process_content.cfm?section=184&page=2

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