[talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[forster]

Hi

If you have rights to that photo and you are going to tag  
highway=emergency_access_point its worth putting the photo on the wiki

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point

As you say with a 3 letter prefix PBM010 it looks like it was intended  
at some stage for the ESTA data set though it is only recognisable to  
PBR staff and presumably the point of the ESTA markers is that they  
are uniform and recognisable by the public.


Tony



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Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[forster]

Not sure how much we can trust any of these. I assume these markers are
visible signs/posts at the roadside and can be surveyed?
Adam


Adam
Sorry for the delay.
Yes, they are visible signs/posts at the roadside and can be surveyed.
I have put a photo of one in Victoria Australia at  
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Demergency_access_point#Examples


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Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[Warin]

To 'get it right' simply go to the location where (you think) it is and 
survey it.


You can use what ever copyright source yo want to find something, but 
having found it then the location has beeen surveyed by you and has no 
copyright on that survey (unless you want to put one on it).



On 20/10/21 12:58 pm, Adam Horan wrote:
The original changeset that introduced this marker and at least one 
other is from 12 years ago and unsourced.


In changeset https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/1630681 

MOR549 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429407301 

MOR507 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429407299 



In https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/1618012 

PNP401 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429089079 

PNP101 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429090789 

PNP505 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429110571/ 



Not sure how much we can trust any of these. I assume these markers 
are visible signs/posts at the roadside and can be surveyed?


Adam


On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 12:42, > wrote:


Hi
I think that, because its a emergency marker, its important to get
it right.

Its a HighRouler edit so we will have to decide what, if anything, to
do with it.  Its been at London Bridge for 12 years, recently
moved to
a point 100m north. But I am not allowed to "know" that the two
locations are 30km from the  location according to the Emergency
Services Telecommunications Authority.

Thanks
Tony

> I don't think that's a compatible source, for starters that page
lists it
> as Creative Commons Non-Commercial.
>
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 10:22, mailto:fors...@ozonline.com.au>> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I want to put the emergency marker MOR507 where I think it belongs
>>
>> MOR507 node=429407299
>>
>> not London Bridge (in either of its two recent locations)but
>> LATITUDE-38.473502 LONGITUDE 144.92752 Bushrangers Bay car park
>>
>> Is
>>
>>

https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28


>> an allowable
>> source?
>>
>> Tony
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[Adam Horan]

The original changeset that introduced this marker and at least one other
is from 12 years ago and unsourced.

In changeset https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/1630681
MOR549  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429407301
MOR507 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429407299

In https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/1618012
PNP401 https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429089079
PNP101  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429090789
PNP505  https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/429110571/

Not sure how much we can trust any of these. I assume these markers are
visible signs/posts at the roadside and can be surveyed?

Adam


On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 12:42,  wrote:

> Hi
> I think that, because its a emergency marker, its important to get it
> right.
>
> Its a HighRouler edit so we will have to decide what, if anything, to
> do with it.  Its been at London Bridge for 12 years, recently moved to
> a point 100m north. But I am not allowed to "know" that the two
> locations are 30km from the  location according to the Emergency
> Services Telecommunications Authority.
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
> > I don't think that's a compatible source, for starters that page lists it
> > as Creative Commons Non-Commercial.
> >
> > On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 10:22,  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> I want to put the emergency marker MOR507 where I think it belongs
> >>
> >> MOR507 node=429407299
> >>
> >> not London Bridge (in either of its two recent locations)but
> >> LATITUDE-38.473502 LONGITUDE 144.92752 Bushrangers Bay car park
> >>
> >> Is
> >>
> >>
> https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28
> >> an allowable
> >> source?
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >>
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Re: [talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[forster]

Hi
I think that, because its a emergency marker, its important to get it right.

Its a HighRouler edit so we will have to decide what, if anything, to  
do with it.  Its been at London Bridge for 12 years, recently moved to  
a point 100m north. But I am not allowed to "know" that the two  
locations are 30km from the  location according to the Emergency  
Services Telecommunications Authority.


Thanks
Tony


I don't think that's a compatible source, for starters that page lists it
as Creative Commons Non-Commercial.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 10:22,  wrote:


Hi

I want to put the emergency marker MOR507 where I think it belongs

MOR507 node=429407299

not London Bridge (in either of its two recent locations)but
LATITUDE-38.473502 LONGITUDE 144.92752 Bushrangers Bay car park

Is

https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28
an allowable
source?

Tony



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[Andrew Harvey]

I don't think that's a compatible source, for starters that page lists it
as Creative Commons Non-Commercial.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 10:22,  wrote:

> Hi
>
> I want to put the emergency marker MOR507 where I think it belongs
>
> MOR507 node=429407299
>
> not London Bridge (in either of its two recent locations)but
> LATITUDE-38.473502 LONGITUDE 144.92752 Bushrangers Bay car park
>
> Is
>
> https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28
> an allowable
> source?
>
> Tony
>
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[talk-au] Emergency markers licence?

[forster]

Hi

I want to put the emergency marker MOR507 where I think it belongs

MOR507 node=429407299

not London Bridge (in either of its two recent locations)but  
LATITUDE-38.473502 LONGITUDE 144.92752 Bushrangers Bay car park


Is  
https://data.gov.au/data/dataset/esta-emergency-markers/resource/44add10f-a478-4ab0-a6fa-227493663b28 an allowable  
source?


Tony



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