Re: [talk-au] Checking on bug-fixes before committing changes.

[Andrew Harvey]

On 9 July 2016 at 12:55, Simon Slater  wrote:
>> > 3/   A couple of these too, 'Approximate highway primary discart from
>> > 35.5339969622m ' I have a GPS track for at least 1 of these at the moment.
>>
>> Can you point to where this is?
>
> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/7056550205  , eastern end of
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/178369304 and Yanga Way.  Our GPS has it out
> by 5m not 35m.  There is a kink in the road there.

If you click through on the ? for that issue in osmose it provides a
much better explanation of why it's reporting this. It's saying the
way might need more detail.

Comparing with both the LPI Imagery and Mapbox Satellite background
imagery it looks pretty good.

>>
>>
>> > 6/  What does this bug mean: 'Bad topology way level 2'?
>>
>> Can you point to where you see it?
>
> http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/7056543335 , where
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/173383040 crosses Cadell St.

Again, click the ? and see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osmose/issues#1090 It's saying that
at that point the road jumps from highway=secondary to
highway=residential.

Keep in mind that osmose is just reporting possible errors, not
necessarily that what's mapped is wrong.

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Re: [talk-au] Checking on bug-fixes before committing changes.

[Simon Slater]

On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 12:06:40 PM Andrew Harvey wrote:
> > 2/  Also a couple of 'Intersection of unrelated highway and waterway
> > objects'.  How to correct these?
> 
> What editor are you using?

JOSM
> Can you point to where this is?
Lost it - I'll find it later.
> If a waterway and highway intersect it's good to specify what's exactly
> happening, is the highway a bridge over the waterway, is the waterway
> a culvert under the highway, is it a ford?
> 
> > 3/   A couple of these too, 'Approximate highway primary discart from
> > 35.5339969622m ' I have a GPS track for at least 1 of these at the moment.
> 
> Can you point to where this is?

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/7056550205  , eastern end of 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/178369304 and Yanga Way.  Our GPS has it out 
by 5m not 35m.  There is a kink in the road there.
> 
> 
> > 6/  What does this bug mean: 'Bad topology way level 2'?
> 
> Can you point to where you see it?

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/error/7056543335 , where 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/173383040 crosses Cadell St.

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Re: [talk-au] Checking on bug-fixes before committing changes.

[Andrew Harvey]

On 9 July 2016 at 11:20, Simon Slater  wrote:
> 1/  There are a few 'Bad value for sport=cricket,_australian_football' in 
> the
> area.  The use of the pitch is correct, is the syntax of the tag value wrong?

the convention is to use ; to separate multiple tag values. See the
examples at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:sport so it should
probably be "sport=cricket;australian_football", no leading _ and
replace the comma with a semicolon.

> 2/  Also a couple of 'Intersection of unrelated highway and waterway
> objects'.  How to correct these?

What editor are you using? Can you point to where this is? If a
waterway and highway intersect it's good to specify what's exactly
happening, is the highway a bridge over the waterway, is the waterway
a culvert under the highway, is it a ford?

> 3/   A couple of these too, 'Approximate highway primary discart from
> 35.5339969622m ' I have a GPS track for at least 1 of these at the moment.

Can you point to where this is?

> 4/  'Unconnected waterway or wrong way flow'.  Does flow follow the 
> direction a
> way is created?  This one looks like it is connected downstream
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/385773228

It is connected to the downstream but this way is pointing in the
opposite direction to the way connected to the west end.

You're correct that flow follows the direction of the way. see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waterway#Usage

You can just reverse the direction of the way without recreating it,
which is the fix here so that it's pointing in the downstream
direction.

> 5/  This one, http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/173375239 is a lead-up to 
> an
> old historic lift bridge and is flagged 'Highway above ground and no bridge'.
> What tag is needed for this?  Or should the bridge part be extended?  There
> are a series of these old bridges in this area, so I'll check the others too.
> What tags for historic bridges?

Correct this way is the leadup to the bridge, so correctly doesn't
have the bridge=yes tag. This warning message is because there is
layer=1. The layer tag http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer is
used if you have a few bridges on top of each other to indicate the
order, in this case this section of the way doesn't intersect anything
so you can just remove the layer tag.

> 6/  What does this bug mean: 'Bad topology way level 2'?

Can you point to where you see it?

> 7/  Last one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/262225 is in the right 
> spot
> for the 90 to 100 kph change, but it is in the middle of the way.  No doubt
> there are more like this in the area.  Do I split the way at this point and
> tag each section with the different speeds?  If so, what about each time the
> councils move the signs into different spots?  Then when fixed, any comment in
> the note, or just 'Resolve'?

If the speed limit changes from one speed limit to another, correct
you need to split the way at that point and tag each section with the
different speeds. If council moves the signs then you have to move
this or resplit / rejoin sections.

You can add a comment if you like with the changeset where you fixed
it, but it's not mandatory. Then just resolve.

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Re: [talk-au] Checking on bug-fixes before committing changes.

[Simon Slater]

On Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:52:26 AM Simon Slater wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 07:37:53 PM Andrew Harvey wrote:
> > On 7 Jul 2016 7:21 PM, "Simon Slater"  wrote:
> > > G'day all,

> >  Since this is the first time I've done this, I've a couple of questions.

A couple more things I'd like to check the most appropriate way to proceed 
before I make any changes:
1/  There are a few 'Bad value for sport=cricket,_australian_football' in 
the 
area.  The use of the pitch is correct, is the syntax of the tag value wrong?

2/  Also a couple of 'Intersection of unrelated highway and waterway 
objects'.  How to correct these?

3/   A couple of these too, 'Approximate highway primary discart from 
35.5339969622m ' I have a GPS track for at least 1 of these at the moment.

4/  'Unconnected waterway or wrong way flow'.  Does flow follow the 
direction a 
way is created?  This one looks like it is connected downstream 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/385773228

5/  This one, http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/173375239 is a lead-up to an 
old historic lift bridge and is flagged 'Highway above ground and no bridge'.  
What tag is needed for this?  Or should the bridge part be extended?  There 
are a series of these old bridges in this area, so I'll check the others too.  
What tags for historic bridges?

6/  What does this bug mean: 'Bad topology way level 2'?

7/  Last one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/262225 is in the right spot 
for the 90 to 100 kph change, but it is in the middle of the way.  No doubt 
there are more like this in the area.  Do I split the way at this point and 
tag each section with the different speeds?  If so, what about each time the 
councils move the signs into different spots?  Then when fixed, any comment in 
the note, or just 'Resolve'?

Any particular Wiki pages useful for these?
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Re: [talk-au] Checking on bug-fixes before committing changes.

[Simon Slater]

On Thu, 7 Jul 2016 07:37:53 PM Andrew Harvey wrote:
> On 7 Jul 2016 7:21 PM, "Simon Slater"  wrote:
> > G'day all,
> > 
> > While waiting in the Balranald Bakery yesterday I thought I'd
> 
> install
> 
> > OSMBugs and OSMTracker and see what needed doing in the area.  Since this
> 
> is
> 
> > the first time I've done this, I've a couple of questions.
> > 
> > 1/  POI without name: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1950504127
> 
> has a
> 
> > brand=Caltex tag.  To fix this one, which is better: change brand of
> 
> Caltex to
> 
> > operator or add operator=Caltex, leaving the brand tag?  Or is the
> 
> operator
> 
> > the proprietor and use the tag name= instead?  Locals just call it 'the
> > servo'.  The other Caltex is 'the roadhouse'
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/206203789
> 
> I wouldn't remove the brand=Caltex because that is the branding of the
> service station right? If it's operated by Caltex you can add that tag too.
> It's common to see three tags brand, operator, and name all equal to Caltex.
> 
> Though for name you might also see things like "Caltex [Suburb]"
> 
> > 2/  Fixme tagged item https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/118043858 is
> 
> in the
> 
> > right place by GPS and the other tags are correct.  Do I just delete the
> 
> fixme
> 
> > tag?  This would also apply for a couple of others.
> 
> Yes,if you've validated the thing the fixme tag was added for you can just
> delete the tag.
> 
> > 3/  With the correction needed for:
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/118043885 to extend the divided road,
> 
> is it
> 
> > better to delete the single section, then add the divided section as 2
> 
> ways
> 
> > down to Bank St, or move the single section to one side and add a parallel
> > way?
> 
> I prefer to move the single section and add another way parallel, because
> it retains the history of the way, but both approaches are valid.

Thanks Andrew, I'll get onto that today.
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Re: [talk-au] Checking on bug-fixes before committing changes.

[Andrew Harvey]

On 7 Jul 2016 7:21 PM, "Simon Slater"  wrote:
>
> G'day all,
> While waiting in the Balranald Bakery yesterday I thought I'd
install
> OSMBugs and OSMTracker and see what needed doing in the area.  Since this
is
> the first time I've done this, I've a couple of questions.
>
> 1/  POI without name: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1950504127
has a
> brand=Caltex tag.  To fix this one, which is better: change brand of
Caltex to
> operator or add operator=Caltex, leaving the brand tag?  Or is the
operator
> the proprietor and use the tag name= instead?  Locals just call it 'the
> servo'.  The other Caltex is 'the roadhouse'
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/206203789

I wouldn't remove the brand=Caltex because that is the branding of the
service station right? If it's operated by Caltex you can add that tag too.
It's common to see three tags brand, operator, and name all equal to Caltex.

Though for name you might also see things like "Caltex [Suburb]"

>
> 2/  Fixme tagged item https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/118043858 is
in the
> right place by GPS and the other tags are correct.  Do I just delete the
fixme
> tag?  This would also apply for a couple of others.

Yes,if you've validated the thing the fixme tag was added for you can just
delete the tag.

> 3/  With the correction needed for:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/118043885 to extend the divided road,
is it
> better to delete the single section, then add the divided section as 2
ways
> down to Bank St, or move the single section to one side and add a parallel
> way?

I prefer to move the single section and add another way parallel, because
it retains the history of the way, but both approaches are valid.
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