Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: and if you talk about something being held at the showgrounds, the locals all know where you mean. But most of the year, it's used for other things. Any permanent halls are often used for clubs to meet in, any weekly markets may well be held in the show grounds, etc. Interesting, that implies that for many places, the showground tag will be in addition to something else. So maybe leisure=park, showground=yes in one town, landuse=recreation_ground, showground=yes in another town... Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds
This is exactly my point and gets back to another thread from a few weeks back regarding tagging schools and the sometimes multiple uses that each building can have (ie after hours classes, church groups on a weekend etc etc). From memory I believe that discussion was resolved by tagging start/end times for particular groups and the same could be done on specific buildings/facilities within any area. I just want a consistent approach to tagging these areas that are definitely NOT used for recreation in the simple sense of sports on an oval. (there is a whole other discussion there regarding the semantics of what constitutes recreation but lets not go there). I am in two minds after considering Steve's suggestion of landuse=recreation_ground, recreation_ground=showground and my suggestion of landuse=showground to tag the extent of the area. There are pros/cons either way and perhaps (like a few other discussions on this list) that name is actually the most important piece of information ie Bendigo Showgrounds ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-36.7386lon=144.2714zoom=14). Craig On 30 July 2010 22:27, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Meh. I look at the definition of landuse=recreation_ground and I think it could include almost anything. Maybe you're right. There are so few showgrounds it won't matter much either way. Steve Actually there are a lot of showgrounds. Pretty much every rural town has a designated show area, and if you talk about something being held at the showgrounds, the locals all know where you mean. But most of the year, it's used for other things. Any permanent halls are often used for clubs to meet in, any weekly markets may well be held in the show grounds, etc. During the show, everything else stops. But about 50 weeks of the year, it's used for other things. Example, a local showgrounds near me has the show for about 1.5 weeks each year. But the rest of the year, it holds a market each week, several of the halls are used pretty much every night for various clubs (eg one hall has four different dance groups, indoor bowls, and a music group every week), there's a church each week in one of the other halls, several equestrian events each year in the ring, concerts sometimes, running athletic events in the grounds. It's still called the showgrounds, though. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Well it appears as though people have been tagging them as landuse=recreation_ground (as per Melbourne Showgrounds) which seems the closest approximation to what it is. landuse=recreation_ground recreation_ground=showground ? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds
Not sure I like that option Steve as it implies that the recreation_ground is only a showground. I prefer the landuse=showground option and then, if there is an oval that is used for recreation within the showground you tag that accordingly ie leisure=pitch, sport=*. In the end it comes down to the predominant use of the area. The Melbourne showgrounds aren't a recreation_ground, likewise with Bendigo. Well unless recreation includes purchasing showbags and eating fairy floss :) Craig On 30 July 2010 17:30, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Well it appears as though people have been tagging them as landuse=recreation_ground (as per Melbourne Showgrounds) which seems the closest approximation to what it is. landuse=recreation_ground recreation_ground=showground ? Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010, Craig Feuerherdt wrote: Well unless recreation includes purchasing showbags and eating fairy floss :) What about the rides? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I like that option Steve as it implies that the recreation_ground is only a showground. I prefer the landuse=showground option and then, if there is an oval that is used for recreation within the showground you tag that accordingly ie leisure=pitch, sport=*. In the end it comes down to the predominant use of the area. The Melbourne showgrounds aren't a recreation_ground, likewise with Bendigo. Well unless recreation includes purchasing showbags and eating fairy floss :) Meh. I look at the definition of landuse=recreation_ground and I think it could include almost anything. Maybe you're right. There are so few showgrounds it won't matter much either way. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds
On 30 July 2010 22:27, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Meh. I look at the definition of landuse=recreation_ground and I think it could include almost anything. Maybe you're right. There are so few showgrounds it won't matter much either way. Steve Actually there are a lot of showgrounds. Pretty much every rural town has a designated show area, and if you talk about something being held at the showgrounds, the locals all know where you mean. But most of the year, it's used for other things. Any permanent halls are often used for clubs to meet in, any weekly markets may well be held in the show grounds, etc. During the show, everything else stops. But about 50 weeks of the year, it's used for other things. Example, a local showgrounds near me has the show for about 1.5 weeks each year. But the rest of the year, it holds a market each week, several of the halls are used pretty much every night for various clubs (eg one hall has four different dance groups, indoor bowls, and a music group every week), there's a church each week in one of the other halls, several equestrian events each year in the ring, concerts sometimes, running athletic events in the grounds. It's still called the showgrounds, though. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Showgrounds
Well it appears as though people have been tagging them as landuse=recreation_ground (as per Melbourne Showgrounds) which seems the closest approximation to what it is. On 30 July 2010 13:21, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 July 2010 12:06, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Some show grounds can be tagged as landuse=recreation_ground however there are some cases when they aren't used for recreation. You can't apply contemporary english to this problem, these things were created when everyone rode horses, uses have been adapted over the years away from just horse activities, but traditionally the recreation involved horses... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
