Re: [talk-au] Use of AIS message as input to OSM

2019-01-04 Thread Arthur Geeson 

Hi Alex,

Thank you for the additional information I shall go through it all ASAP.

Arthur

On 3/1/19 6:42 pm, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir wrote:
Having a look at the mapping guidelines I did find Beacons 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Seamarks/Beacons can have Radio 
Stations https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Seamarks/Radio_Stations 
including seamark:radio_station:category=ais "An AIS radiobeacon on a 
seamark that reports its own position" and a lot of other AIS radio 
station types including some that aren't really a buoy there - 
virtual! 
(http://www.professionalmariner.com/August-2014/synthetic-aids-virtual-buoys/) 



I can find some seamarks but not radio stations in NSW 
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EVh 
http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=16=-33.87089=151.18538=-33.87079=151.18459=BFTFFTF0FF
But I did find a red buoy near Macau that is AIS enabled 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5793357137 
http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=16=22.11957=113.61184=BFTFFTF0FF


So I assume one must do some seaside mapping using some kind of radio 
like an SDR to get the position data? 
https://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-tutorial-cheap-ais-ship-tracking/


On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 6:34 PM Marc Gemis > wrote:


AFAIK, OpenSeaMap is dedicated rendering based on the same
OpenStreetMap database as the map of e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org
The OpenSeaMap project also defines certain tags that are only used
for navigation on water. See [1] for more info on how it works.

So on one hand they are already combined (use the same database), but
they are also separate (OpenSeaMap provides their own rendering of the
data).

regards

m.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 7:17 AM Arthur Geeson mailto:ag200...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to use the position data received from Automatic
Identification System (AIS) messages that are used for
navigational aids for marine ships to plot the position of these
piles on the OSM but I am not sure if this would be copy right
information?
>
> Perhaps we could have a 'source - AIS' ?
>
> Looking at the OSM wiki I find that there is a 'man_made -
beacon' tag.  Further searching I find there is an OpenSeaMap.  I
am not sure why we would need OpenStreetMap and OpenSeaMap should
these not be combined? However if they are separate so be it.  It
would seem that OpenSeaMap has a number of suitable icons but I
was not able to search it.  Basically AIS does not seem to be
supported on either of the maps.
>
> MarineTraffic.com uses the OpenStreetMap to display the
positions of many thousands of ships around the world based on AIS
input.
>
> Is anyone able to help?
>
> Thanks - Arthur
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Re: [talk-au] Use of AIS message as input to OSM

2019-01-04 Thread Arthur Geeson 

Hi Graeme,

On receiving the AIS data about half of the messages at my location come 
from fixed location beacons that ships are able to receive and then plot 
the positions on their display along with their GPS position and the 
positions of other vessels.  They are then able to navigate with greater 
safety knowing what is around them.  These fixed location beacons I feel 
should be also permanently marked on the OSM so that weekend sailors can 
use the OSM with more information available.  I presume that these 
beacons consist of a pile or buoy fitted with a solar panel, battery and 
VHF transmitter with software to control the transmission.  They are of 
course situated in suitable locations to assist with navigation.


Hope this helps - Arthur

On 3/1/19 6:30 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:



On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 16:17, Arthur Geeson > wrote:


Hi,

I would like to use the position data received from Automatic
Identification System (AIS) messages that are used for
navigational aids for marine ships to plot the position of these
piles on the OSM but I am not sure if this would be copy right
information?


What are you actually wanting to map, Arthur?

Anchorages, nav aids, what?

Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Use of AIS message as input to OSM

2019-01-02 Thread Alex (Maxious) Sadleir 
Having a look at the mapping guidelines I did find Beacons
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Seamarks/Beacons can have Radio
Stations https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Seamarks/Radio_Stations
including seamark:radio_station:category=ais "An AIS radiobeacon on a
seamark that reports its own position" and a lot of other AIS radio station
types including some that aren't really a buoy there - virtual! (
http://www.professionalmariner.com/August-2014/synthetic-aids-virtual-buoys/
)

I can find some seamarks but not radio stations in NSW
https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/EVh
http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=16=-33.87089=151.18538=-33.87079=151.18459=BFTFFTF0FF
But I did find a red buoy near Macau that is AIS enabled
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5793357137
http://map.openseamap.org/?zoom=16=22.11957=113.61184=BFTFFTF0FF

So I assume one must do some seaside mapping using some kind of radio like
an SDR to get the position data?
https://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-tutorial-cheap-ais-ship-tracking/

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 6:34 PM Marc Gemis  wrote:

> AFAIK, OpenSeaMap is dedicated rendering based on the same
> OpenStreetMap database as the map of e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org
> The OpenSeaMap project also defines certain tags that are only used
> for navigation on water. See [1] for more info on how it works.
>
> So on one hand they are already combined (use the same database), but
> they are also separate (OpenSeaMap provides their own rendering of the
> data).
>
> regards
>
> m.
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap
>
> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 7:17 AM Arthur Geeson  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to use the position data received from Automatic
> Identification System (AIS) messages that are used for navigational aids
> for marine ships to plot the position of these piles on the OSM but I am
> not sure if this would be copy right information?
> >
> > Perhaps we could have a 'source - AIS' ?
> >
> > Looking at the OSM wiki I find that there is a 'man_made - beacon' tag.
> Further searching I find there is an OpenSeaMap.  I am not sure why we
> would need OpenStreetMap and OpenSeaMap should these not be combined?
> However if they are separate so be it.  It would seem that OpenSeaMap has a
> number of suitable icons but I was not able to search it.  Basically AIS
> does not seem to be supported on either of the maps.
> >
> > MarineTraffic.com uses the OpenStreetMap to display the positions of
> many thousands of ships around the world based on AIS input.
> >
> > Is anyone able to help?
> >
> > Thanks - Arthur
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Re: [talk-au] Use of AIS message as input to OSM

2019-01-02 Thread Marc Gemis 
AFAIK, OpenSeaMap is dedicated rendering based on the same
OpenStreetMap database as the map of e.g. http://www.openstreetmap.org
The OpenSeaMap project also defines certain tags that are only used
for navigation on water. See [1] for more info on how it works.

So on one hand they are already combined (use the same database), but
they are also separate (OpenSeaMap provides their own rendering of the
data).

regards

m.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 7:17 AM Arthur Geeson  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I would like to use the position data received from Automatic Identification 
> System (AIS) messages that are used for navigational aids for marine ships to 
> plot the position of these piles on the OSM but I am not sure if this would 
> be copy right information?
>
> Perhaps we could have a 'source - AIS' ?
>
> Looking at the OSM wiki I find that there is a 'man_made - beacon' tag.  
> Further searching I find there is an OpenSeaMap.  I am not sure why we would 
> need OpenStreetMap and OpenSeaMap should these not be combined? However if 
> they are separate so be it.  It would seem that OpenSeaMap has a number of 
> suitable icons but I was not able to search it.  Basically AIS does not seem 
> to be supported on either of the maps.
>
> MarineTraffic.com uses the OpenStreetMap to display the positions of many 
> thousands of ships around the world based on AIS input.
>
> Is anyone able to help?
>
> Thanks - Arthur
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Re: [talk-au] Use of AIS message as input to OSM

2019-01-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick 
On Thu, 3 Jan 2019 at 16:17, Arthur Geeson  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to use the position data received from Automatic
> Identification System (AIS) messages that are used for navigational aids
> for marine ships to plot the position of these piles on the OSM but I am
> not sure if this would be copy right information?
>

What are you actually wanting to map, Arthur?

Anchorages, nav aids, what?


Thanks

Graeme
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Re: [talk-au] Use of AIS message as input to OSM

2019-01-02 Thread Phil Wyatt 
I would also ask here

 

https://www.operations.amsa.gov.au/Spatial/DataServices/DigitalData 

 

But it looks like it may not be compatible with open Street requirements

 

https://www.operations.amsa.gov.au/Spatial/DataServices/Copyright 

 

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility 

 

 

 

From: Arthur Geeson [mailto:ag200...@gmail.com] 
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Subject: [talk-au] Use of AIS message as input to OSM

 

Hi, 

I would like to use the position data received from Automatic Identification 
System (AIS) messages that are used for navigational aids for marine ships to 
plot the position of these piles on the OSM but I am not sure if this would be 
copy right information? 

Perhaps we could have a 'source - AIS' ? 

Looking at the OSM wiki I find that there is a 'man_made - beacon' tag.  
Further searching I find there is an OpenSeaMap.  I am not sure why we would 
need OpenStreetMap and OpenSeaMap should these not be combined? However if they 
are separate so be it.  It would seem that OpenSeaMap has a number of suitable 
icons but I was not able to search it.  Basically AIS does not seem to be 
supported on either of the maps. 

MarineTraffic.com uses the OpenStreetMap to display the positions of many 
thousands of ships around the world based on AIS input. 

Is anyone able to help? 

Thanks - Arthur 

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