[talk-au] Upcoming events

[Herbert.Remi via Talk-au]

# Upcoming events
State: ACT
Thank you for making me welcome in this forum. Thank you also for your inquiry 
about my last post. There are several upcoming events. Please feel welcome to 
make constructive suggestions.
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## Mapping Party ACT
If you are interested learning more about the ACT. sharing what you know, and 
wish to make improvements to the ACT please register here. Further information 
will be forthcoming.
Each “meeting” will focus on a particular theme. Here are some.
- Mapping the Molonglo Nature Reserve
- Mapping the Namadgi National Park
- Improving ACT mas for mountain biking
- Bike routes and better bike routes
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## Upcoming discussion topics for the ACT
I will be posting more discussion topics in the coming weeks. For each topic, 
the OSM Wiki current position and contradictions will be considered, and 
examples from ACT OSM maps reviewed. The intent is not only to improve the 
quality and consistency of the mapping in the ACT but also make suggestions for 
OSM Wiki pages including additions and changes to the ACT sections of the 
Australian Guidelines. It should be a lot of fun. :-)

Here are the upcoming topics.
- Discussion C: Two steps forward and one step back: confusion about tagging 
bike tracks in the ACT
- Discussion D: All in a name: nomenclature for routes (relations) in the ACT
- Discussion E: Non-destructive editing: lifecycles, updates, and retaining 
histories
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[talk-cz] SotM deníček - den první

[xkomc...@centrum.cz]

Ahoj,

posílám své poznatky z letošní SotM konference. Budu rád, když ostatní 
zástupci České republiky přidají ty své (letos se nás sešlo nakonec 
celkem 5!)


* konference začíná docela zajímavou keynote o tom, proč je otevřený 
software životně nutný


* na workshopu zjišťuji, jak jednoduše se dá pracovat s relacemi veřejné 
dopravy, pokud znáte plugin do JOSM jménem PT_Assistant (který jsem 
bohužel do té doby neznal)


* Microsoft a HOT tým ukazují možnosti, které dává umělá inteligence 
(ovšem za předpokladu, že je pak kontrolována skutečnou inteligencí)


* přednáška o ODbl licenci shrnuje známé věci

* Observe je zajímavý tool na offline editace v terénu

* focení: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thomersch/48769513121/in/album-72157710997572098/lightbox/ 



* A večer social event, který však skončil relativně brzy (už o půlnoci)

* Během social eventu byly vyhlášeny OSM Awards

Toť vše, zítra pokračování

Jirka Komárek


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Re: [Talk-it] Edifici polifunzionali

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 21. Sep 2019, at 11:44, Francesco Ansanelli  wrote:
> 
> Peraltro credo che l'idea di usare l'area abbia molto più senso in America 
> dove ci sono campus con dormitori, palestre, campi sportivi ecc ecc..
> Voi che ne pensate?


penso che solitamente oppure al meno spesso ci sono delle aree esterne che 
fanno parte della scuola e che dovrebbero essere contenute in osm .

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Re: [Talk-it] Edifici polifunzionali

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 21. Sep 2019, at 12:02, claudio62PG  wrote:
> 
> Il Problema che non ho edifici ma un edificio  


allora uno, non cambia niente 



> 
> amenity=school
>> (uno per ogni scuola, con relativi nomi, codici, isced level ecc.)
> intendi un nodo?
> E la palestra?


potrebbero essere nodi o aree, volendo anche aree sovrapposte se ci sono dei 
spazi in condivisione.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] CyclOSM, rendu cyclable libre

[François]

Le 21/09/2019 à 07:52, Phyks a écrit :

Nous avons pas mal avancé sur la question d'un rendu cyclable libre,
alternatif à OpenCycleMap, avec Florimond depuis nos derniers messages
en février dernier sur cette liste.


Félicitations pour cette initiative.

Si les magasins spécialisés en cycles apparaissent bien, les boutiques 
de sport généralistes présentes sur OSM, qui vendent et réparent 
également des vélos, sont absents de la carte. Je pense qu'il serait 
utile de les rajouter.


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Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi Martin, all,

I have finished reviewing the proposal for all sections except from signage
(will let someone else review them). I've opened issues and pull requests
on the GitHub for the other things I spotted but have not reported here.

https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues

What are the next steps for this work?

Thank you,
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Re: [talk-au] Three rules for OSM planning in Canberra

[Mateusz Konieczny]

Yeah, it seems completely off topic 
for OSM specific discussion place.
21 Sep 2019, 15:46 by andrew.harv...@gmail.com:

> Uh, what does all this have to do with OSM?
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Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)

[john whelan]

If there is a physical bus stop ie a pole with a sign on it then map it as
a bus stop or rather whatever is the new way to map them.

On the stop should be a reference number of it exists.  These typically are
a number that is input to find out when the next bus is coming.

The route number to my understanding does not go on the bus stop as such
but on the relationship.  The bus stop may be tagged with a relationship.

Locally the bus system planners have a new computerised planning system so
the routes and numbers are forever being changed but the physical bus stops
remain the same.

Cheerio John

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019, 1:35 PM 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk, <
talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> ok. what about in bus systems out side of europe or canada , we do not do
> things that way, in that the name on the map,
>
> standard OSM, is the number, that stops are hail and ride, with or without
> signs and or posted with just the number.
>
> *From:* Jack Armstrong via talk
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:44 AM
> *To:* OSM
> *Cc:* Jack Armstrong
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)
>
> In this example, the name of the bus stop is, "Ridgeline Blvd & Highlands
> Ranch Pkwy". Each bus stop on a route has a different name. The name of the
> bus route in this example is "RTD Route 0".
>
> Please read, "Adding a bus route to OpenStreetMap";
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Adding_a_bus_route_to_OpenStreetMap
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru
> Sent: Sep 21, 2019 4:12 AM
> To: Jack Armstrong
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)
>
> I am being told this is “hail and ride”, which in the united states we do
> not talk that way,
>
> but why is the map name “Ridgeline Blvd & Highlands Ranch Pkwy” and not 0.
>
> again this is the united states and we use numbers not names.
>
> *From:* Jack Armstrong via talk
> *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2019 11:10 PM
> *To:* OSM
> *Cc:* Jack Armstrong
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)
>
> Correction to my last email. Below is the correct text. Sorry about that.
>
> --
>
> If I understand your question correctly, the route number is part of a
> "relation".
> Go to the link below.
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=23/39.54962/-104.99612
> With your mouse, select the Bus Stop node. Look to the left side of your
> screen. Scroll down to see the tags attached to this Bus Stop.
> Below the tags, you will see a relation in blue font. In this case the
> route number is, "RTD Route 0".
> If you scroll over the blue font text with your cursor you will see the
> road lights up in blue.
> The route number is placed in the *route relation*.
>
> See, "Adding a bus route to OpenStreetMap" here;
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Adding_a_bus_route_to_OpenStreetMap
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru
> Sent: Sep 20, 2019 9:03 PM
> To: Jack Armstrong
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
>
> ok!
>
> but where is the route number, if i am looking at a map i need to know
> what route,
>
> if i am standing there i know what road i am on.
>
> *From:* Jack Armstrong via talk
> *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2019 8:45 PM
> *To:* osm
> *Cc:* Jack Armstrong
> *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
>
>
>
> local_ref can be used for a platform number
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_position
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=23/39.54962/-104.99612
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Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)

[80hnhtv4agou--- via talk]

ok. what about in bus systems out side of europe or canada , we do not do 
things that way, in that the name on the map,
 
standard OSM, is the number, that stops are hail and ride, with or without 
signs and or posted with just the number. 
 
From: Jack 
Armstrong via talk
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2019 9:44 AM
To: OSM
Cc: Jack Armstrong
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)
 
In this example, the name of the bus stop is, "Ridgeline Blvd 
& Highlands Ranch Pkwy". Each bus stop on a route has a different name. The 
name of the bus route in this example is " RTD 
Route 0" .

Please read,  "Adding 
a bus route to OpenStreetMap";
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Adding_a_bus_route_to_OpenStreetMap
>-Original 
>  Message- 
>From:  80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru
>Sent: Sep 21, 2019 4:12 AM 
>To: Jack Armstrong 
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus 
>  stop (correction) 
>
>I am being told this is “hail and ride”, which in the united states we do 
>  not talk that way,
> 
>but why is the map name “Ridgeline Blvd & Highlands Ranch Pkwy” and not  0.
> 
>again this is the united states and we use 
>  numbers not names.
> 
>From: Jack Armstrong via talk
>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 11:10 PM
>To: OSM
>Cc: Jack 
>  Armstrong
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)
> 
>Correction 
>  to my last email. Below is the correct text. Sorry about that. 
> 
>--
> 
>If I 
>understand your question correctly, the route number is part of a 
>"relation".  
>Go 
>to the link below. 
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=23/39.54962/-104.99612
>With your mouse, select the Bus Stop node. Look 
>to the left side of your screen. Scroll down to see the tags attached 
> to 
>this Bus Stop.
>Below 
>the tags, you will see a relation in blue font. In this case the route 
>number is, " RTD Route 0 ". 
>If 
>you scroll over the blue font text with your cursor you will see the 
>road lights up in blue.
>The 
>route number is placed in the  route relation .
> 
>See, "Adding a bus route to OpenStreetMap" 
>here;
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Adding_a_bus_route_to_OpenStreetMap
> 
> 
>
>-Original Message- 
>>>From:  80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru
>>>Sent: Sep 20, 2019 9:03 PM 
>>>To: Jack Armstrong 
>>>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop 
>>>
>>>ok!
>>> 
>>>but where is the route number, if i am looking at a map i need to 
>>>  know what route,
>>> 
>>>if i am standing there i know what road i am on.
>>> 
>>>From: Jack Armstrong via talk
>>>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:45 PM
>>>To: osm
>>>Cc: Jack 
>>>  Armstrong
>>>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>local_ref 
>>>  can be used for a platform number
>>>
>>>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport%3Dstop_position
>>>
>>>https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=23/39.54962/-104.99612
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Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

[Rob Nickerson]

>I'm not sure how representative the associated picture is.

Wonder no more: the cyclestreets website lets you filter for the TfL
category and look at all the photos not just the one that was selected as
representative.
See:
https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid:field%3Aprk_tier=TRUE/#13/51.5119/-0.0757/mapnik

>It would be good to capture covered=yes/no - but this I assume is not in
the TFL data

TfL have spent a massive amount of time collecting some super data. Covered
was in deed one of the things they recorded:
https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid/conversion/#prk_cover

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Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

[Rob Nickerson]

I have had a quick look at the cycle parking too. A few comments:

   - You suggest "bicycle_parking=stands" for 3 cases of the TfL data:
   Stands, "M stands" and "P stands". I shall let others comment on whether we
   want to introduce new OSM tags for these. Perhaps cyclists have an interest
   if one is preferable to another. (See:
   https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid/conversion/#prk_mstand)
   - bicycle_parking=locker implies individual compartments for each bike.
   I was about to suggest that this doesn't therefore seem right for TfL's
   "hanger" (https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid/conversion/#prk_hangar).
   Was going to suggest just bicycle_parking=stands + covered=yes. However a
   look at the images suggests that these are all from a single rental company
   and that they are secure spaces which you rent out (see
   https://cyclehoop.force.com/RentalsCommunity/resultsmap?postalCode=se1 )
   given how many there are I am sure London mappers will already have come up
   with a tagging solution... Maybe just locker as you propose and not
   worrying about the fact that 6 bikes share a single locker. Shed seems to
   be the alternate option here.
   - bicycle_parking=cyclehoop seems like a suitable new tag but again I'll
   let others comment as they may have already used some other tag for these.
   - For Secure I would consider bicycle_parking=shed instead of locker.
   The description on the wiki seems to fit better here ("A custom-built
   closed shed...").

Rest looks fine to me and the above is not a blocker - just something to
encourage others to look and have their say.

Thank you,
*Rob*


On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 22:27, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi Martin,
>
> I've started to look at this but only got as far as Advanced Stop Lines
> (ASL) and Crossings. I've raised issues on the GitHub:
> https://github.com/cyclestreets/tflcid-conversion/issues
>
> So far of the new tags I have only reviewed ASL position
> (left/right/center). I'm not a fan of the new tag as I think the name is
> wrong and (more importantly it doesn't allow for mixed cases such as Right
> AND Left). The TfL guide suggests mixed cases are possible. Can you see any
> in the data?
>
> Given that we are talking about the position that the cycle lane feeder
> joins the ASL "reserviour" then my suggestion is to use:
>
>- asl:feeder:right = yes
>- asl:feeder:left = yes
>
> Or some such like.
>
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> *Rob*
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Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)

[Jack Armstrong via talk]

In this example, the name of the bus stop is, "Ridgeline Blvd & Highlands Ranch Pkwy". Each bus stop on a route has a different name. The name of the bus route in this example is "RTD Route 0".Please read, "Adding a bus route to OpenStreetMap";https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Adding_a_bus_route_to_OpenStreetMap-Original Message-
From: 80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru
Sent: Sep 21, 2019 4:12 AM
To: Jack Armstrong 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)



	
 	
		
		






I am being told this is “hail and ride”, which in the united states we do 
not talk that way,
 
but why is the map name 
“Ridgeline Blvd & Highlands Ranch Pkwy” and not 0.
 
again this is the united states and we use 
numbers not names.


 

From: Jack 
Armstrong via talk 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 11:10 PM
To: OSM 
Cc: Jack Armstrong 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop (correction)
 

Correction 
to my last email. Below is the correct text. Sorry about that. 
 
--
 


  
  

  If I 
  understand your question correctly, the route number is part of a 
  "relation".  
  Go 
  to the link below. 
  https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=23/39.54962/-104.99612
  With your mouse, select the Bus Stop node. Look to 
  the left side of your screen. Scroll down to see the tags attached to this 
  Bus Stop.
  Below 
  the tags, you will see a relation in blue font. In this case the route 
  number is, "RTD Route 0". 
  If 
  you scroll over the blue font text with your cursor you will see the road 
  lights up in blue.
  The 
  route number is placed in the route relation.
  
   
  See, "Adding a bus route to OpenStreetMap" 
  here;
  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buses#Adding_a_bus_route_to_OpenStreetMap
 
 
-Original Message- 

  
  
  
  
  From: 
80hnhtv4a...@bk.ru Sent: Sep 20, 2019 9:03 PM To: Jack Armstrong 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop 








ok!
 
but where is the route number, if i am looking at a map i need to know 
what route,
 
if i am standing there i know what road i am on.


 

From: Jack Armstrong via talk 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:45 PM
To: osm 
Cc: Jack 
Armstrong 
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] bus stop
 
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Re: [talk-au] Three rules for OSM planning in Canberra

[Andrew Harvey]

Uh, what does all this have to do with OSM?

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 at 21:08, Herbert.Remi via Talk-au <
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> Three rules for OSM planning in Canberra
> **Rule 1: In Australian Communist Territory everything is owned by the
> government,
> Rule 2: everything is controlled by the government and
> Rule 3: nothing happens without the government know about it.**
> If you want to know why read on.
> (note: **text** is markdown and this would be in bold if the forum was on
> GitHub.)
>
> I live in Canberra, the Australian Communist Territory, where we all work
> for the Federal Government and don’t do anything useful. At least that is
> what the Australian press and politicians would lead you to believe.
> Canberrans disagree, “if you worked for these politicians you wouldn’t vote
> for them.” It is a bit like you sending us your inlaws, they are not
> welcome. As for the press, well, what do they know about Canberra. There is
> a great deal of misinformation about the ACT and this is obvious when
> Canberrans talk with visitors, “It’s part of NSW, isn’t it? It is certainly
> in NSW?” Well, we are not ruled by Sydney but certainly, we are ruled by
> the Federal Government.
> If you find me a bit sceptical about outsiders ability to understand the
> ACT, then that’s because you have never spoken about Canberra with my
> family.  So first I will clear up a few basic facts about Canberra, then I
> will tell you where all the money comes from, and finally, I will explain
> why nothing happens in Canberra with the ACT Government knowing about it.
> In the Australian Communist Territory, you better pay attention to the
> Five-Year Plan.
> **Some basic facts**
> Firstly, until this year most of the population worked for the government
> (ACT or Federal). Now just over 50% are employed outside the government. It
> is not true that all the Federal public servants work in Canberra, about
> 50% do but over 30% work in Sydney and Melbourne, and about 16% work in
> rural Australia. Canberra is the bush capital. I read somewhere that 30% of
> the Federal government employees work for defence: biggest budget, most
> employees, $50 billion for subs, the biggest everything. It is not true
> that the Australian Public Service is particularly big either. The
> Australian Public Service is only a third the size of the NSW public
> service. Most Canberrans were not born in Canberra, they either immigrated
> to the country or Canberra from Melbourne, Sydney or rural NSW (or
> Queanbeyan for that matter).
> **How does the ACT work?**
> We are not a state but a territory, which means that we don’t have the
> autonomy of the state. Canberra is like Rome with another autonomous
> territory with the city. Our Vatican City is called the Capital Planning
> Authority. The Capital Planning Authority still controls everything in the
> Parliamentary Triangle but also has regulatory oversight of any
> developments in the ACT within 200m from major thoroughfares around it. The
> ACT government is responsible for planning in the rest of the ACT, except
> military areas, of which there are many. For reasons of prudence the ACT
> planning is done in such a way that it does not conflict with the Capital
> Planning Authority. A difference is that the Capital Planning Authority is
> prescribed to build in a “premium quality” so that it looks special.
> **How is development in the ACT funded?**
> With the federation of Australia, the Commonwealth purchased three large
> farms and then a bit (Hall), but unfortunately, not Queanbeyan. All land
> then belonged to the Commonwealth Government and that is how it is until
> this day. If you “buy” a house in Canberra, you have a 99-year lease on the
> land on which it stands. After that, it would in principle go back to the
> ACT government. (Rule1: In Australian Communist Territory everything is
> owned by the government.) This is unlikely to happen to a house, but
> investors have been caught out purchasing a site for retail development and
> then have done nothing with it to discover they were threatened by the ACT
> government with lose of the lease unless they finished the job. The most
> important sources for ACT revenue are land tax, payroll tax, Federal
> Government (CHOGM) funding and most importantly LAND SALES. Yes, the ACT
> Government is the real estate developer in the ACT. (Rule 3: nothing
> happens without the government know about it.) All suburbs and Canberra are
> planned and developed by the ACT Government and I know only one exception –
> Ginninderry. (Rule 2: everything is controlled by the government). When the
> ACT Government is short of money it develops another suburb with a few
> thousand houses and sells them off in an auction, where each block can get
> up to almost $850,000 and the whole suburb is sold off in hours. (I think
> in Molonglo Valley the whole suburb was sold off in just 6 hours.) To top
> that all off, demand outstrips supply. Luckily 

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Re: [Talk-es] Importación de centros docentes

[Lanxana .]

   Buenos días,

muchas gracias por vuestras opiniones, he actualizado la wiki para añadir
los tipos de formación, usando la opción 1 para la formación profesional
[1].

Para la formación artística, musical, danza y deporte, a partir de 16 años,
he recogido también el uso de 'school=professional', pues el título
obtenido es equivalente al de los ciclos medio y superior. Para las
escuelas elementales de música y danza he puesto el etiquetado propio que
hay en la wiki ('amenity=music_school' y 'leisure=dance +
dance_teaching=yes') [2].

Parece que la propuesta ya va tomando forma, queda pendiente desarrollar el
script para la conversión de los datos y redactar el apartado de 'workflow'.

Saludos!

[1]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_schools_in_Catalunya#Tagging_Plans
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Education_features

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[Talk-Kosovo] Fwd: Hello from SOTM

[Arianit Dobroshi]

>From a contact from Finland on how Helsinki built public transport web
tools based on OSM.

-- Forwarded message -
From: Huotari Markku 
Date: Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 8:43 AM
Subject: Hello from SOTM
To: sotm...@flossk.org 


Hello there!



Just met some of your representatives at breakfast a while ago here in
Heidelberg. I promised them to provide some information about we’ve done
with OSM at Helsinki Region Transport. Here’s some information/examples
what we at HSL do with OSM and about some of our opensource tools & data.



HSL-page on OSM-wiki :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Helsinki_Region_Transport

Information about our mapping tools on Github :
https://github.com/HSLdevcom/hsl-map-documentation

Information about our journey planner : https://digitransit.fi/en/

Information about our open data : https://www.hsl.fi/en/opendata



Just let me know if you have any questions on these.



Greetings



*Markku Huotari*

*GIS specialist*

tel. +358 - 9 - 4766 4064

email : markku.huot...@hsl.fi

HSL Helsinki Region Transport

Opastinsilta 6 A, Helsinki

PB 101, 00077 HSL

Finland

operator + 358 - 9 - 4766 

www.hsl.fi

https://www.hsl.fi/en/opendata

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Re: [Talk-GB] TfL cycle data published - schema mapping

[Robert Norris]

> • Two-tier cycle parking: This is unfortunately becoming more and more
> present in the UK, but bizarrely OSM does not have a representation in
> widespread use currently, with only 6 instances worldwide of
> bicycle_parking=two_tier. It is proposed this be used, which will hopefully
> then galvanise usage beyond London.
> https://bikedata.cyclestreets.net/tflcid/conversion/#prk_tier

I'm not sure how representative the associated picture is.

Most of this type I have encountered are at railway stations, where they seem 
to always have roofs and perhaps side fencing or similar.
Thus I have normally used bicycle_parking=shed, but not really tried to record 
the multi tier system. A simple two_tier=yes might suffice, but maybe 
rack_levels=1 | 2 would be better.

It would be good to capture covered=yes/no - but this I assume is not in the 
TFL data (unless it can be derived from individual photographs).

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[talk-au] Three rules for OSM planning in Canberra

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Three rules for OSM planning in Canberra
**Rule 1: In Australian Communist Territory everything is owned by the 
government,
Rule 2: everything is controlled by the government and
Rule 3: nothing happens without the government know about it.**
If you want to know why read on.
(note: **text** is markdown and this would be in bold if the forum was on 
GitHub.)

I live in Canberra, the Australian Communist Territory, where we all work for 
the Federal Government and don’t do anything useful. At least that is what the 
Australian press and politicians would lead you to believe. Canberrans 
disagree, “if you worked for these politicians you wouldn’t vote for them.” It 
is a bit like you sending us your inlaws, they are not welcome. As for the 
press, well, what do they know about Canberra. There is a great deal of 
misinformation about the ACT and this is obvious when Canberrans talk with 
visitors, “It’s part of NSW, isn’t it? It is certainly in NSW?” Well, we are 
not ruled by Sydney but certainly, we are ruled by the Federal Government.
If you find me a bit sceptical about outsiders ability to understand the ACT, 
then that’s because you have never spoken about Canberra with my family.  So 
first I will clear up a few basic facts about Canberra, then I will tell you 
where all the money comes from, and finally, I will explain why nothing happens 
in Canberra with the ACT Government knowing about it. In the Australian 
Communist Territory, you better pay attention to the Five-Year Plan.
**Some basic facts**
Firstly, until this year most of the population worked for the government (ACT 
or Federal). Now just over 50% are employed outside the government. It is not 
true that all the Federal public servants work in Canberra, about 50% do but 
over 30% work in Sydney and Melbourne, and about 16% work in rural Australia. 
Canberra is the bush capital. I read somewhere that 30% of the Federal 
government employees work for defence: biggest budget, most employees, $50 
billion for subs, the biggest everything. It is not true that the Australian 
Public Service is particularly big either. The Australian Public Service is 
only a third the size of the NSW public service. Most Canberrans were not born 
in Canberra, they either immigrated to the country or Canberra from Melbourne, 
Sydney or rural NSW (or Queanbeyan for that matter).
**How does the ACT work?**
We are not a state but a territory, which means that we don’t have the autonomy 
of the state. Canberra is like Rome with another autonomous territory with the 
city. Our Vatican City is called the Capital Planning Authority. The Capital 
Planning Authority still controls everything in the Parliamentary Triangle but 
also has regulatory oversight of any developments in the ACT within 200m from 
major thoroughfares around it. The ACT government is responsible for planning 
in the rest of the ACT, except military areas, of which there are many. For 
reasons of prudence the ACT planning is done in such a way that it does not 
conflict with the Capital Planning Authority. A difference is that the Capital 
Planning Authority is prescribed to build in a “premium quality” so that it 
looks special.
**How is development in the ACT funded?**
With the federation of Australia, the Commonwealth purchased three large farms 
and then a bit (Hall), but unfortunately, not Queanbeyan. All land then 
belonged to the Commonwealth Government and that is how it is until this day. 
If you “buy” a house in Canberra, you have a 99-year lease on the land on which 
it stands. After that, it would in principle go back to the ACT government. 
(Rule1: In Australian Communist Territory everything is owned by the 
government.) This is unlikely to happen to a house, but investors have been 
caught out purchasing a site for retail development and then have done nothing 
with it to discover they were threatened by the ACT government with lose of the 
lease unless they finished the job. The most important sources for ACT revenue 
are land tax, payroll tax, Federal Government (CHOGM) funding and most 
importantly LAND SALES. Yes, the ACT Government is the real estate developer in 
the ACT. (Rule 3: nothing happens without the government know about it.) All 
suburbs and Canberra are planned and developed by the ACT Government and I know 
only one exception – Ginninderry. (Rule 2: everything is controlled by the 
government). When the ACT Government is short of money it develops another 
suburb with a few thousand houses and sells them off in an auction, where each 
block can get up to almost $850,000 and the whole suburb is sold off in hours. 
(I think in Molonglo Valley the whole suburb was sold off in just 6 hours.) To 
top that all off, demand outstrips supply. Luckily with our benevolent 
dictatorships, this Mafia structure works well.
**Building a city**
If you were an engineer or urban planner, you would love Canberra. The 
Australian Communist Territory is a planned economy and the ACT 

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Action sur vandalisme demandée

[pepilepi...@ovh.fr]

Le 21/09/2019 à 10:29, Rpnpif via Talk-fr a écrit :
> Bonjour,
>
> Une question sur le forum ici :
> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=67452
>
Où voit-il du vandalisme ?

Bon, il prolonge un railway=tram par un highway=bus_guideway et c'est
incohérent.

Mais pour moi le "tram" de Clermont

(comme celui de Nancy) est plus proche de ce bus_guideway

que d'un vrai tram : il n'a pas vraiment de rails, en tous cas pas de
rails porteurs, juste un rail de guidage et il a des pneus.


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Re: [Talk-it] Edifici polifunzionali

[claudio62PG]

>> sembrano tutte scuole (abbastanza monofunzionale). Mapperei gli edifici
>> come building =school (probabilmente), e tutto il sito come
>> amenity=school
>> (uno per ogni scuola, con relativi nomi, codici, isced level ecc.)

Il Problema che non ho edifici ma un edificio  

amenity=school
> (uno per ogni scuola, con relativi nomi, codici, isced level ecc.)
intendi un nodo?
E la palestra?
ciao
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>> sembrano tutte scuole (abbastanza monofunzionale). Mapperei gli edifici
>> come building =school (probabilmente), e tutto il sito come
>> amenity=school
>> (uno per ogni scuola, con relativi nomi, codici, isced level ecc.)

Il Problema che non ho edifici ma un edificio  

amenity=school
> (uno per ogni scuola, con relativi nomi, codici, isced level ecc.)
intendi un nodo?
E la palestra?
ciao
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Re: [talk-cz] Nový kruhový objezd namalovat

[jzvc via talk-cz]

Cus,

kruhac bez prednosti tech co jedou po nem nemuze fungovat. Proto je to 
vsude upraveno tak, aby na nem prednost byla. Jinak bys velice rychle 
dosel k situaci, ze ti stojici na kruhaci musi davat prednost tem, kteri 
na nej najizdeji, a tudiz se kruhac ucpe, a neexistuje zadnej zpusob, 
jak to legalne resit.


Kdysi pak byla prednost na kruhaci primo v predpisech, ale zrusilo se 
to, jako zbytecna vyjimka, ktera lidi mate (kruhace tu prakticky 
neexistovaly).




Dne 21.9.2019 v 10:15 Jozef Matejička napsal(a):
Roundabout implikuje prednosť áut na kruhovom objazde. Slovenská 
legislatíva nič také nepozná.


junction=circural + značky daj prednosť podľa mňa viac odpovedá realite.

Ale akceptujem to ako mapovaciu skratku.

Čo vy na to?

Jozef Matejička

Dne so 21. 9. 2019 9:52 uživatel Jakub Jelen > napsal:


On 9/20/19 10:00 PM, Václav Kroupar wrote:


Já se před nedávnem pokusil namalovat kruhák
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/710502150 Měl jsem k tomu GPX.
Jestli mě někdo sledoval, tak si myslel, že jsem magor a kroužím
tam na kole jak zmatená včela. Zatím mi za to nikdo nevynadal a
dnes jsem si vzpomněl na výrobu kruhů, tak jsem jej ještě upravil.


Ahoj,

doporucuji k procteni wiki:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout

Trochu jsem tento kruhac ucesal a pridal potrebne tagy, aby to byl
opravdu kruhac. Stejne tak jak jsi od sebe oddelil najezdy a
vyjezdy, ty potrebovaly oznaceni jednosmernosti:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74742255

Jinak asi v pohode.

Jakub


Máme k tomu novému kruháku podklady?

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Datum: 20. 9. 2019 20:43:09
Předmět: [talk-cz] Nový kruhový objezd namalovat

bohužel neumám ho namalovat
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Re: [Talk-it] Edifici polifunzionali

[Francesco Ansanelli]

Ciao!
Anche nella mia zona ci sono più scuole all'interno dello stesso edificio.
Ho usato un nodo per la scuola e building=school per l'edificio.
Normalmente si usa un'area che contiene anche gli edifici, ma non avrei
saputo delimitare con certezza in che modo si intersecano gli spazi e mi
sembrava sensato l'uso del nodo collocato più o meno al centro
dell'edificio.
Peraltro credo che l'idea di usare l'area abbia molto più senso in America
dove ci sono campus con dormitori, palestre, campi sportivi ecc ecc..
Voi che ne pensate?
Francesco

Il sab 21 set 2019, 10:40 Martin Koppenhoefer  ha
scritto:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > On 21. Sep 2019, at 08:40, claudio62PG  wrote:
> >
> > il tag amenity è utilizzabile sull'edificio?
> > il palazzo è in parte una scuola pensavo di utilizzare tanti nodi per
> ogni
> > scuola
>
>
> sembrano tutte scuole (abbastanza monofunzionale). Mapperei gli edifici
> come building =school (probabilmente), e tutto il sito come amenity=school
> (uno per ogni scuola, con relativi nomi, codici, isced level ecc.)
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] CyclOSM, rendu cyclable libre

[jabali via Talk-fr]

Bravo également pour ce rendu.

mes remarques:
les tags
highway=path
bicycle=designated
...

ne sont pas rendus. C'est le taging générique pour une voie cyclable
partagée.
ex: Justement sur Heidelberg, les voies de berges sont rendues comme de
simples sentiers.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/587937936#map=16/49.4100/8.6804
Alors que la signalétique est:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Zeichen_240_-_Gemeinsamer_Fu%C3%9F-_und_Radweg,_StVO_1992.svg

Ensuite, d'une manière plus générale, la combinaison:
highway=track
track_type=1
n'est que peu mise en évidence. (heureusement, bien plus que sur le rendu
cyclable osm.org)

Pour l'allemagne du moins, il s'agit de chemins agricoles asphaltés,
explicitement interdits à tout véhicule à moteur sauf agricole
https://www.dvr.de/bilder/stvo/gt/260.png
 et qui se prêtent extrêmement bien à la pratique du vélo.
Revetement asphate, largeur > 2m, aucune circulation sauf un tracteur
2x/jour.

On les trouvent en rase campagne. dans ce cas ils se prêtent très bien à
conception d'itinéraires buccoliques du dimanche ou en cyclorando.
Ou très souvent en bordure de routes à circulation importante ( à l'origine
pour séparer le trafic agricole du trafic général) et dans ce cas ils se
prêtent parfaitement à la circulation de type commuting- velotaff

2 exemples, toujours sur Heidelberg
rase campagne
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24974993

bordure de nationale ( ici la B3)
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26343498#map=15/49.4636/8.6631

Le rendu osm "allemand" les mets en évidences
https://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html

Puisque vous êtes sur Heidelberg, il peut être intéressant de discuter avec
les autres participants de l'importance de ce rendu pour une carte cyclable,
et aussi, pourquoi pas aller voir sur le terrain.

Bon séjour à tous.



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Action sur vandalisme demandée

[osm . sanspourriel]

A minima ses commentaires sont pourris.

Le 21/09/2019 à 10:29, Rpnpif via Talk-fr - talk-fr@openstreetmap.org a
écrit :

Bonjour,

Une question sur le forum ici :
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Re: [talk-cz] Nový kruhový objezd namalovat

[Pavel Machek]

On Sat 2019-09-21 10:15:16, Jozef Matejička wrote:
> Roundabout implikuje prednosť áut na kruhovom objazde. Slovenská
> legislatíva nič také nepozná.
> 
> junction=circural + značky daj prednosť podľa mňa viac odpovedá
>realite.

Tohle bych nedelal...

Jestli nekdo udela kruhac s jinou prednosti, budou z toho nehody,
takze bych mapoval kruhac jako kruhac...

Pavel
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Re: [Talk-it] Edifici polifunzionali

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 21. Sep 2019, at 08:40, claudio62PG  wrote:
> 
> il tag amenity è utilizzabile sull'edificio? 
> il palazzo è in parte una scuola pensavo di utilizzare tanti nodi per ogni
> scuola


sembrano tutte scuole (abbastanza monofunzionale). Mapperei gli edifici come 
building =school (probabilmente), e tutto il sito come amenity=school (uno per 
ogni scuola, con relativi nomi, codici, isced level ecc.)


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[Rpnpif via Talk-fr]

Bonjour,

Une question sur le forum ici :
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=67452

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Re: [talk-cz] Nový kruhový objezd namalovat

[Jan Martinec]

Ahoj, to vnímám jako nepraktické.

Kromě toho (nejsem si jist přesnou slovenskou úpravou, ale v ČR) by sice na
kruháku platila přednost zprava, leč MD vydalo doplňující vyhlášku, že
vjezdy mají být opatřeny Dej přednost nebo stopkou - čímž se dostáváme k
fakticky stejné situaci, kdy na každém konkrétním objezdu mají přednost
vozidla po něm jedoucí, jakkoli je to dáno "místní úpravou."

Tuhle distinkci bych do mapy, resp.tagování, nezaváděl - zmapovat značky
pochopitelně lze, pro to jsem všema deseti.

Zdar,
Honza Piškvor Martinec

Dne so 21. 9. 2019 10:16 uživatel Jozef Matejička 
napsal:

> Roundabout implikuje prednosť áut na kruhovom objazde. Slovenská
> legislatíva nič také nepozná.
>
> junction=circural + značky daj prednosť podľa mňa viac odpovedá realite.
>
> Ale akceptujem to ako mapovaciu skratku.
>
> Čo vy na to?
>
> Jozef Matejička
>
> Dne so 21. 9. 2019 9:52 uživatel Jakub Jelen  napsal:
>
>> On 9/20/19 10:00 PM, Václav Kroupar wrote:
>>
>> Já se před nedávnem pokusil namalovat kruhák
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/710502150 Měl jsem k tomu GPX. Jestli
>> mě někdo sledoval, tak si myslel, že jsem magor a kroužím tam na kole jak
>> zmatená včela. Zatím mi za to nikdo nevynadal a dnes jsem si vzpomněl na
>> výrobu kruhů, tak jsem jej ještě upravil.
>>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> doporucuji k procteni wiki:
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout
>>
>> Trochu jsem tento kruhac ucesal a pridal potrebne tagy, aby to byl
>> opravdu kruhac. Stejne tak jak jsi od sebe oddelil najezdy a vyjezdy, ty
>> potrebovaly oznaceni jednosmernosti:
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74742255
>>
>> Jinak asi v pohode.
>>
>> Jakub
>>
>> Máme k tomu novému kruháku podklady?
>>
>> Vašek
>> -- Původní e-mail --
>> Od: Michal Poupa  
>> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
>> 
>> Datum: 20. 9. 2019 20:43:09
>> Předmět: [talk-cz] Nový kruhový objezd namalovat
>>
>> bohužel neumám ho namalovat
>> Cheb - křížení - Písečná - Osvobození
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] CyclOSM, rendu cyclable libre

[Adrien Grellier via Talk-fr]

Bonjour,

Bravo pour ce rendu ! la carte rend assez bien compte de la réalité
cyclable dans mon coin (Nord de Nantes).

Juste un petit bémol : c'est dommage de ne pas différencier un peu plus
les parking vélo, notamment les parking couverts et les boîtes à vélo.

Le fait de pouvoir cliquer sur les éléments par ex. pour avoir les
horaires d'ouverture ou les téléphone sera top !!

Adrien

Le 21/09/2019 à 07:52, Phyks a écrit :
> Bonjour à toutes et à tous,
>
> Nous avons pas mal avancé sur la question d'un rendu cyclable libre,
> alternatif à OpenCycleMap, avec Florimond depuis nos derniers messages
> en février dernier sur cette liste.
>
> Depuis, OSM-Fr a pu nous mettre en place un serveur pour le rendu monde
> du style (un grand merci à l'asso !) et le style est donc désormais
> visible pour le monde entier sur https://www.cyclosm.org/.
>
> Le code est toujours libre et disponible sur
> https://github.com/cyclosm/cyclosm-cartocss-style/. Les tuiles générées
> par OSM-FR sont disponibles sur
> https://dev.{s}.tile.openstreetmap.fr/cyclosm/{z}/{x}/{y}.png.
>
>
> La motivation principale guidant les choix de rendus pour l'instant est
> d'avoir un rendu adapté à tous les cyclistes cyclistes (urbains,
> vélotaffeurs, ou cyclotouristes en rando) pour se repérer et s'orienter
> à vélo. Ce rendu permet aussi aux contributeurs de repérer et identifier
> les aménagements cyclables manquants. Ceci motive le rendu d'un certain
> nombre d'éléments nouveaux tels que les ralentisseurs ou les sas vélos,
> déjà traités, ou les cédez-le-passage-cycliste, à venir.
>
>
> N'hésitez pas à ouvrir des tickets sur Github ou à commenter ici, nous
> serions très intéressés par des retours sur cette première version.
> Toute aide supplémentaire sur ce rendu est la bienvenue également :)
>
> Pour ceux qui seront au State of the Map à Heidelberg, n'hésitez pas à
> venir en discuter de vive voix à 17h aujourd'hui ! :)
>
> Bonne journée !


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Re: [talk-cz] Nový kruhový objezd namalovat

[Jozef Matejička]

Roundabout implikuje prednosť áut na kruhovom objazde. Slovenská
legislatíva nič také nepozná.

junction=circural + značky daj prednosť podľa mňa viac odpovedá realite.

Ale akceptujem to ako mapovaciu skratku.

Čo vy na to?

Jozef Matejička

Dne so 21. 9. 2019 9:52 uživatel Jakub Jelen  napsal:

> On 9/20/19 10:00 PM, Václav Kroupar wrote:
>
> Já se před nedávnem pokusil namalovat kruhák
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/710502150 Měl jsem k tomu GPX. Jestli
> mě někdo sledoval, tak si myslel, že jsem magor a kroužím tam na kole jak
> zmatená včela. Zatím mi za to nikdo nevynadal a dnes jsem si vzpomněl na
> výrobu kruhů, tak jsem jej ještě upravil.
>
> Ahoj,
>
> doporucuji k procteni wiki:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout
>
> Trochu jsem tento kruhac ucesal a pridal potrebne tagy, aby to byl opravdu
> kruhac. Stejne tak jak jsi od sebe oddelil najezdy a vyjezdy, ty
> potrebovaly oznaceni jednosmernosti:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74742255
>
> Jinak asi v pohode.
>
> Jakub
>
> Máme k tomu novému kruháku podklady?
>
> Vašek
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Michal Poupa  
> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
> 
> Datum: 20. 9. 2019 20:43:09
> Předmět: [talk-cz] Nový kruhový objezd namalovat
>
> bohužel neumám ho namalovat
> Cheb - křížení - Písečná - Osvobození
>
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[OSM-talk-be] Belgian tiles in a umap

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

I've created empty projects for using the Belgian tiles in your umap
projects:

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/nl/map/empty-umap-belgium-tiles-in-het-nederlands_367163
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/nl/map/empty-umap-tiles-belgique-en-francais_367162
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/nl/map/empty-umap-bilingual-belgium-map_367161#7/50.580/4.790

Just click on the "share" button, choose the "Full map download" download
option. Then create a new map, click the "upload button" and upload the
.umap file you just downloaded.

Or you can just take your existing umap project, watch this 12 second video
and choose between these layers:

https://tile.openstreetmap.be/osmbe/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
https://tile.openstreetmap.be/osmbe-nl/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
https://tile.openstreetmap.be/osmbe-fr/{z}/{x}/{y}.png

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Re: [talk-cz] Nový kruhový objezd namalovat

[Jakub Jelen]

On 9/20/19 10:00 PM, Václav Kroupar wrote:

> Já se před nedávnem pokusil namalovat kruhák
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/710502150 Měl jsem k tomu GPX.
> Jestli mě někdo sledoval, tak si myslel, že jsem magor a kroužím tam
> na kole jak zmatená včela. Zatím mi za to nikdo nevynadal a dnes jsem
> si vzpomněl na výrobu kruhů, tak jsem jej ještě upravil.

Ahoj,

doporucuji k procteni wiki:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:junction%3Droundabout

Trochu jsem tento kruhac ucesal a pridal potrebne tagy, aby to byl
opravdu kruhac. Stejne tak jak jsi od sebe oddelil najezdy a vyjezdy, ty
potrebovaly oznaceni jednosmernosti:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74742255

Jinak asi v pohode.

Jakub

> Máme k tomu novému kruháku podklady?
>
> Vašek
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Michal Poupa 
> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
> Datum: 20. 9. 2019 20:43:09
> Předmět: [talk-cz] Nový kruhový objezd namalovat
>
>
> bohužel neumám ho namalovat 
> Cheb - křížení - Písečná - Osvobození
>
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Re: [talk-cz] Nový kruhový objezd namalovat

[Jan Macura]

Možná jsem to blbě napsal, to překvapení bylo nad vybudováním toho kruháče
;-)
Teď mi ale došlo, že ta blbá křivá křižovatka je s ulicí Palackého, takže
moje překvapení mizí...

H.

On Sat, 21 Sep 2019 at 07:19, Michal Poupa  wrote:

> Ve Waze je to jednoduché a už je tam. Tady je hardcore.
>
>
> 21. 9. 2019 v 0:33, Jan Macura :
>
>
> 
> Ahoj,
>
> fakt? Po těch letech? :-O
> Z katastrální mapy to vidět není. Projektovou dokumentaci k tomu na webu
> nenacházím. Chtělo by to vytáhnout kolo a požídit to GPX ;-)
> Ale nějak jsem ho tam čmárnul, aby bylo jasný, že tam je...
>
> H.
>
>
>
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 22:00, Václav Kroupar  wrote:
>
>> Já se před nedávnem pokusil namalovat kruhák
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/710502150 Měl jsem k tomu GPX. Jestli
>> mě někdo sledoval, tak si myslel, že jsem magor a kroužím tam na kole jak
>> zmatená včela. Zatím mi za to nikdo nevynadal a dnes jsem si vzpomněl na
>> výrobu kruhů, tak jsem jej ještě upravil.
>> Máme k tomu novému kruháku podklady?
>>
>> Vašek
>> -- Původní e-mail --
>> Od: Michal Poupa 
>> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
>> Datum: 20. 9. 2019 20:43:09
>> Předmět: [talk-cz] Nový kruhový objezd namalovat
>>
>> bohužel neumám ho namalovat
>> Cheb - křížení - Písečná - Osvobození
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[Talk-it] Edifici polifunzionali

[claudio62PG]

Scusate il titolo ma è quello che rappresenta la situazione
un edificio di proprietà comunale
che contiene
1) una scuola media che appartiene all'IC PG11
2) una scuola elementare che appartiene alla 2 DD
3) una scuola materna che appartiene alla 2 DD
4) una palestra che è data in gestione ad una ASD 
5) ogni scuola ha il suo codice meccanografico ovviamente diverso ho quindi
tre ref diversi.
6) non è possibile individuare in maniera sicura le varie scuola palestra
nell'edificio

il tag amenity è utilizzabile sull'edificio? 
il palazzo è in parte una scuola pensavo di utilizzare tanti nodi per ogni
scuola

ciao
Claudio



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Re: [OSM-talk] stalking, or stepping on someone's toes (area) ?

[Oleksiy Muzalyev]

It is also possible to see changes in a certain area at this page: 
https://simon04.dev.openstreetmap.org/whodidit/


If you do an on-the-ground survey of bus stops you can use some quality 
tools. For example, a GPS handheld device Garmin eTrex Touch 35, a 
portable digital camera Sony RX100, a portable quad-copter for aerial 
images DJI Spark with a portable helipad (no affiliation to any). This 
equipment fits into a small urban backpack and lasts forever. Or you can 
use just a smartphone with a photo-camera.


You can make quality HD images of bus stops, so that their titles are 
readable. Then apply the geographical coordinates from the GPS handheld 
device to the images, - it could be done automatically. The aerial 
images from Spark do have coordinates by itself. You may publish these 
images to the Wikimedia commons category for this village or a district 
of a town, and add the image link to the bus stop on the OSM map.


So your survey would be well documented, and it would be hard to argue 
that there is no bus stop at this place, if you provide the ground photo 
of the stop with the stop's name and the GPS coordinates, an aerial 
image of this stop, so that its location relative to other objects is 
clearly visible.


You can also go around the bus stop 3 - 4 times slowly while recording a 
GPS trace with the GPS handheld device. The you can publish this GPS 
trace to the OpenStreet map. And you and others will see clearly where 
the bus stop is located.


It would be much better then go into the logic of "my word against his 
word".


Best regards,
Oleksiy (Alex-7@OSM)

On 9/19/19 23:34, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
    Are there programs that are spying on me, like they do in 
wikipedia – wikidata in real time, that is see
what i am doing , or is there a way of seeing  point edits by name, 
that is every time someone edits, adds

a certain  named point ?
   Every time i go out on the  bus (no car) a few miles from my on the 
ground area
and see things like new bus stops, etc. when i get back to my computer 
i add them to the map
if they were of course not there, and every time someone comes along 
and changes things

or adds things in that area based on tracing and not real time.
also i get messages from the same person with bus stops saying i have 
done it wrong
without telling where it is a rule, it seems this one person controls 
all bus routes in a
3,446square miles area, but does not add all the stops and “the bus 
will stops anywhere
along the route where it is safe to do so” and these are where i pick 
up the bus

and there not all on his downloaded list or live map.

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