Re: [OSM-talk-be] waymarked or not?

[Steven Clays]

Tendency in Toerisme Vlaanderen > ALL hiking nodes will go virtual within
10 years or so. (At least, that is their vision) So if you do not follow
this tendency, you make OSM irrelevant for routes. I'd make a thorough
choice in the official operators AND their choices. Eg. Natuurpunt DOES
stick to signposting AFAIK.

Op ma 19 okt. 2020 om 14:47 schreef Matthieu Gaillet :

>
> Wether they are following another route is not relevant since it’s a
> separate relation.
>
> Matthieu Gaillet
>
> On 19 Oct 2020, at 14:33, Wouter Hamelinck 
> wrote:
>
> Are there any EV routes in Belgium that are not also LF or RV?
>
> Wouter
>
> On Mon, 19 Oct 2020, 12:29 Matthieu Gaillet,  wrote:
>
>> Things are actually much less obvious and deserve a real second thought
>> before taking position : it just came up to my mind that much of the
>> Eurovelo network is still currently completely virtual (work in progress),
>> yet deleting in from our map would be totally irrelevant since this routes
>> are actually existing by the simple fact that thousands of users are using
>> it.
>>
>> Matthieu Gaillet
>>
>> On 13 Oct 2020, at 19:21, joost schouppe 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think we shouldn't actively map purely virtual routes. But there's a
>> lot of info that only lives on paper and still is relevant to OSM. So I
>> find it hard to give it a hard no. What is essential though, is that we
>> don't make a mess of the tagging. A route, right now, is something you can
>> expect to see waymarked. If someone starts mapping virtual routes, they
>> should definitely be put in their own data model.
>>
>> Op di 13 okt. 2020 om 13:27 schreef Matthieu Gaillet > >:
>>
>>>
>>> That might be true but apply as well to signposted trails on the fled…
>>> I’m not fully convinced.
>>>
>>> But it is true that other websites or apps are specialised into
>>> publishing “virtual" trails and that might be something pertaining to the
>>> OSM project.
>>>
>>> Matthieu Gaillet
>>>
>>> On 13 Oct 2020, at 13:20, Wouter Hamelinck 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I follow those who propose to limit ourselves for the mapping purposes
>>> to what is waymarked on the ground.
>>> Taking routes from other sources (be they official or not) makes
>>> everything so fluid that we will end up with a huge mixed bag of gpx files
>>> that were at some point in time on some website of an authority, routes
>>> that are actively promoted, routes that were actively promoted for some
>>> event a few years ago and still can be found somewhere but are no longer
>>> maintained, routes where nobody really knows where they come from but they
>>> sound kind of official...
>>> It will get messy...
>>>
>>> Wouter
>>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, 09:51 Francois Gerin, 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 +1 for the "end user's perspective".

 From my point of view, two key rules make the ground for OSM as pointed
 out in several places of the documentation:

 1. Think to end users

 2. Map what really exists

 "Map what really exists" is visible in many places in the docs, and
 this is indeed important, up to some "threshold".
 "Think to the end users" is much less visible, but is visible anyway.

 I'm afraid that, being driven mostly by technical profiles/mappers, the
 "Map what exists" rule seems to take the precedence because it is more
 visible.

 According to me, "Think to the end users" should be the first rule, in
 terms of priorities.
 Followed by "Map what really exists", at the very same priority as "Use
 your common sense" which is also very visible in the docs...

 => My 2 cents.



 On 13/10/20 09:37, Matthieu Gaillet wrote:

 At first I was going to agree with Tim and s8evq but hey, the world is
 changing and from an user perspective, having itineraries on the map is a
 plus, wether they are signposted or not. I personally never follow sign
 posts, I just follow ‘a' route on my OSM-sourced GPS.

 Regarding the question "what should be mapped or not", I believe the
 itineraries should appear in OSM only if their are proposed or designed by
 an official operator, not mr nobody. That’s enough to keep quality, not
 staying aside nice initiatives (even if virtual), and stay close to
 exhaustive when it comes to official itineraries.

 After all, a route, sign posted or not, is in a sense always virtual.

 Matthieu

 On 13 Oct 2020, at 08:49, Tim Couwelier 
 wrote:

 I'm inclined to go by 'mapping verifiable ground truth'. Which means no
 - don't add them unless signposted along the way.

 Op di 13 okt. 2020 om 08:45 schreef s8evq :

> I do not think they should be in OSM, and I wouldn't mind deleting
> them. :)
>
> First of all, they are harder to keep up to date and verify.
> Secondly, like you said, where do you draw the line. Who's routes do
> we add and who's not?
>
> 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping disapPeared vicinal paths

[Steven Clays]

Hi all, wegspotter on the line.

Allthough I regret we cannot put legal rights of way (not usable on the
field due to constructions or fences) on the map (like in the UK for
example), I fully comply with the decision not to map them. I only map when:
- the right of way is in use;
- there is an unobstructed right of way (as it may be in use from time to
time, often demonstrated by Strava-data),
- the right of way is still visible, but obstructed (and then I map the
obstructions)

There might still be some litter around from me, but I'm steadily cleaning
up...

Enjoy summer & mapping y'all!

Op vr 7 aug. 2020 om 14:40 schreef Philippe Casteleyn <
philippecastel...@hotmail.com>:

> Is there a difference with
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/wegspotter/history#map=10/50.9708/4.1934=C
>
> except that wegspotter
>
> -knows how to map
>
> -always gives answers
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] RFC: explicit tagging of 'Jaagpaden'

[Steven Clays]

In Belgium, a towpath is a legal designation (eg. designation=towpath), NOT
something you can derive really from ground truth. Towpaths as suchs do
physically not exist anymore: the distance between the path and the river
is nowadays sometimes more then 50 m, the towpath is physically on a dike,
or sometimes even perpendicular to the river...


Op di 3 mrt. 2020 om 21:09 schreef Marc Gemis :

> As we map what is on the ground, we do not have to care about that,  I
> would assume. Let someone else fight with the people that place the signs.
>
> m
>
> Op di 3 mrt. 2020 20:10 schreef Steven Clays :
>
>> To make it more complex, not every signposted towpath in Flanders is
>> legally a towpath. Check
>> http://www.start2boat.be/vaaropleiding/downloads/reglementen/Bijzondere%20reglementen.pdf
>>
>> Op di 3 mrt. 2020 om 19:38 schreef Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be <
>> talk-be@openstreetmap.org>:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> 'Jaagpaden' are not always paved roads. Often compacted, gravel,
>>> earthen, grassy, ... roads/tracks and then highway=track seems a better
>>> choice. Sometimes the only thing that's left is just a path. Then the tag
>>> service=towpath is rather odd. I use description=jaagpad.
>>> And what about similar roads which usually have the same access
>>> restrictions but are called 'haven' or 'havengebied' instead of 'jaagpad'?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> StijnRR
>>>
>>>
>>> Op dinsdag 3 maart 2020 16:28:46 CET schreef Pieter Vander Vennet <
>>> pieterv...@posteo.net>:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Marc,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your response.
>>>
>>> IMHO all towpaths are indeed peculiar service roads, thus
>>> 'highway=service' + 'service=towpath'. The wiki even mentions explicitly
>>> that it should be a service road.
>>>
>>> The examples you sent are excellent examples where the legal signposting
>>> didn't catch up with the historic usage. These clearly used to be
>>> towpath but they didn't gain the legal recognition of a 'jaagpad'.
>>> Personally, I would tag those with 'service=towpath' (reflecting the
>>> historic usage) but not with 'towpath=yes', but this is very subject to
>>> change. We might even consider `towpath=no` (with a note clarifying this
>>> is legally _not_ a 'jaagpad') or `legal:towpath=no` or something similar.
>>>
>>> Another thought: if we are about using 'towpath=yes' to reflect the
>>> legal status, I'm doubting that there is no better tag scheme for this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards, Pieter
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03.03.20 16:12, Marc Gemis wrote:
>>> > I'm fine with explicitly mapping them.
>>> > Isn't service=towpath strange on a way that is not tagged as
>>> > highway=service? (but you know that I think they should have been
>>> > mapped as highway=service in the first place, but this is not the
>>> > case)
>>> >
>>> > So it's meant for all those that are explicitly signed as "Jaagpad"
>>> > and not for any others? So this
>>> > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3T0U_uBJxNXHfrgwdztQDQ is not a
>>> > Jaagpad? (a bit further
>>> >
>>> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=51.05439739997222=4.4334043=17=photo=cmVJ5z_VXnZqwsdrEK0aHw
>>> > , but that still does not make it a Jaadpad?)
>>> >
>>> > m.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 2:14 PM Pieter Vander Vennet
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >> Hello everyone,
>>> >>
>>> >> Even though the legal restrictions of 'Jaagpaden' (towpaths in proper
>>> English) is already described in detail on the wiki, it would still be
>>> useful to reflect the special status explicitly, in our case to give a
>>> comfort bonus in cycling route planning but also for historical purposes.
>>> >>
>>> >> For context, a 'jaagpad', 'trekpad' or towing path is a path that
>>> used to be used to (literally) tow boats through the canals, either with
>>> manpower or horsepower and a rope attached to the boat - hence there are
>>> never trees between a towpath.
>>> >>
>>> >> With the rise of cheap and powerful combustion engines, this practice
>>> became disused and towpaths became service roads and cycleways.
>>> >>
>>> >> As stated, these often are excellent and heavily preferred by
>>> cyclists. Normally, they are wide, asphalted, there 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] RFC: explicit tagging of 'Jaagpaden'

[Steven Clays]

To make it more complex, not every signposted towpath in Flanders is
legally a towpath. Check
http://www.start2boat.be/vaaropleiding/downloads/reglementen/Bijzondere%20reglementen.pdf

Op di 3 mrt. 2020 om 19:38 schreef Stijn Rombauts via Talk-be <
talk-be@openstreetmap.org>:

> Hi,
>
> 'Jaagpaden' are not always paved roads. Often compacted, gravel, earthen,
> grassy, ... roads/tracks and then highway=track seems a better choice.
> Sometimes the only thing that's left is just a path. Then the tag
> service=towpath is rather odd. I use description=jaagpad.
> And what about similar roads which usually have the same access
> restrictions but are called 'haven' or 'havengebied' instead of 'jaagpad'?
>
> Regards,
>
> StijnRR
>
>
> Op dinsdag 3 maart 2020 16:28:46 CET schreef Pieter Vander Vennet <
> pieterv...@posteo.net>:
>
>
> Hey Marc,
>
> Thanks for your response.
>
> IMHO all towpaths are indeed peculiar service roads, thus
> 'highway=service' + 'service=towpath'. The wiki even mentions explicitly
> that it should be a service road.
>
> The examples you sent are excellent examples where the legal signposting
> didn't catch up with the historic usage. These clearly used to be
> towpath but they didn't gain the legal recognition of a 'jaagpad'.
> Personally, I would tag those with 'service=towpath' (reflecting the
> historic usage) but not with 'towpath=yes', but this is very subject to
> change. We might even consider `towpath=no` (with a note clarifying this
> is legally _not_ a 'jaagpad') or `legal:towpath=no` or something similar.
>
> Another thought: if we are about using 'towpath=yes' to reflect the
> legal status, I'm doubting that there is no better tag scheme for this.
>
>
> Kind regards, Pieter
>
>
> On 03.03.20 16:12, Marc Gemis wrote:
> > I'm fine with explicitly mapping them.
> > Isn't service=towpath strange on a way that is not tagged as
> > highway=service? (but you know that I think they should have been
> > mapped as highway=service in the first place, but this is not the
> > case)
> >
> > So it's meant for all those that are explicitly signed as "Jaagpad"
> > and not for any others? So this
> > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/3T0U_uBJxNXHfrgwdztQDQ is not a
> > Jaagpad? (a bit further
> >
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=51.05439739997222=4.4334043=17=photo=cmVJ5z_VXnZqwsdrEK0aHw
> > , but that still does not make it a Jaadpad?)
> >
> > m.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 2:14 PM Pieter Vander Vennet
> >  wrote:
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> Even though the legal restrictions of 'Jaagpaden' (towpaths in proper
> English) is already described in detail on the wiki, it would still be
> useful to reflect the special status explicitly, in our case to give a
> comfort bonus in cycling route planning but also for historical purposes.
> >>
> >> For context, a 'jaagpad', 'trekpad' or towing path is a path that used
> to be used to (literally) tow boats through the canals, either with
> manpower or horsepower and a rope attached to the boat - hence there are
> never trees between a towpath.
> >>
> >> With the rise of cheap and powerful combustion engines, this practice
> became disused and towpaths became service roads and cycleways.
> >>
> >> As stated, these often are excellent and heavily preferred by cyclists.
> Normally, they are wide, asphalted, there are very few cars and especially:
> there is the very nice scenery of the canal.
> >>
> >> Therefore, I would propose to introduce tagging in Belgium to tag
> towpaths.
> >>
> >>
> >> There are two ways to achieve this:
> >>
> >> - A towpath is typically a specific type of service road, so we can add
> `service=towpath`
> >>
> >> - In the UK, the towpaths are tagged with `towpath=yes`
> >>
> >> Note that towpaths in Flanders are mostly signposted with an official
> sign, even though that this is a bit of a legal remnant of a previous era.
> However, it makes it very explicit and thus unambiguous to map.
> >>
> >> But now, for the serious questions:
> >>
> >> - what are your thoughts of mapping them somehow? IMHO it is an added
> value and I'm quite in favour of them.
> >>
> >> - What is the best way of mapping them? I'm a bit on the edge of the
> options above: `service=towpath` is IMHO semantically the most correct
> form, as it indicates that it is a service road originally built for
> towing. `towpath=yes` reeks more of the legal status (i.e. having a formal
> road sign indicating 'jaagpad'). The latter has the advantage of already
> being in use in the UK with over 3500 instances according to taginfo.
> service=towpath is not in use at the moment.
> >>
> >>
> >> PS: fun etymological fact: the English verb 'to tow' is derived from
> the Dutch word for rope: 'touw'
> >>
> >> --
> >> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> >> Pieter Vander Vennet
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Weekly Riot chat digest - Volume 1 - 10/12/2018 - 16/12/2018

[Steven Clays]

Wow, nice work. Very efficient. I hope you can keep this up!

Op ma 17 dec. 2018 om 11:47 schreef Tim Couwelier :

> First of all, a short introduction. Based on discussion in chat, we feel
> it'd be good to open up about what's discussed in the Riot (or IRC) chat
> channel, and distribute a summary of it (on a weekly basis) through forum
> and mailinglist. For now this is a one-man-operation, we'll see how it
> evolves over time.
>
> Input/feedback/extended discussion can be had through talk-be, the riot
> channel or the belgian subsection of the openstreetmap.org fora.
> (Note: I'm fully aware I'm probably a highly 'unknown' person to many
> people within this mailinglist. I've talked through trying to do this with
> Joost, and was met with his approval. If anyone has questions about me or
> my part in this, do let me know.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Monday 10/12/2018*
>
> Glenn informs about how to map a 'tractorsluis' (physical construction to
> allow tractors to pass, but not normal cars).
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dsump_buster
>
> bxl-forever asks about how to map a certain type of barrier/fence.
> fence_type = railing seems the best fit (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fence_type )
>
> Seppe points out there's a Mapillary grant program for camera's.
> Requires 50k+ uploaded pictures to be taken into consideration.
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScrPJcRGlh_FQCQCuZkk0tCK9317odk5RYeYfI2UruCzJW31Q/viewform
>
> Jakka suggests supplying a basic simple template using osm-be tiles to
> implement a map into a website.
> Most agree this would be good, issue created on the osmbe-website github.
>
>
> *Tuesday 11/12/2018*
>
> Timcouwelier points out tiles are loading very slow,.
> Escada confirms there's indeed issues, linking to the status page (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Platform_Status )
>
> Jakka asks about how to map mobil telephone antennae attached to power
> towers.
> Lionel_giard replies *'you only use
> communication:mobile_phone/radio/...=yes/no for the transmission equipment.
> The others tags are all for the structure. '*
>
>
> *Wednesday 12/12/2018*
>
> Timcouwelier asks about tagging suggestions for an entrace ramp to a
> hospital with an overhead roof.
> Tagging as a bridge seems an option, but would not match with using
> 'tunnel' for the covered part under the building + it's rendered overly
> heavy. Consensus is to split the ramp and mark an  'incline = up' and
> 'incline = down', but to not  add percentage as it's unknown.
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/incline#values apparantly shows 2
> uses for 'incline = steep_as_hell'
>
> Lionel_giard ask about how to map an 'internaat' (living quarters at
> school for students not going home during the week).
> This is a recurring question, but there's nothing beyond building =
> residential. However, it should still clarify sufficient in combination
> with amenity = school around it.
>
> Timcouwelier asks about options in Overpass Turbo: building on a query
> that selects all ways based on having a node last touched by a given user,
> is there an option to do that for TWO users and style them differently?
> Joost offers a workaround through mapcontrib, by using two layers with a
> different query, and working with two different styles.
>
> s8evq asks about possible missing attribution to OSM in the maps used by
> postnl.be.
> Contact is made based on the following input by Joost:
> *If you want to deal with it yourself, add it to this list and write
> them a message: *
> *https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Websites#List_2*
> 
>
> A reply from wegspotter to a question by Glenn on 'slow roads', raises
> discussion on how to deal with getting 'complete' info, as the requirements
> for the vicinal ref (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads
> ) requires info that's not visible possible to retrieve in the field.
>
> *Thursday 13/12/2018*
>
> Discussion on the vicinal roads continues.
> Neither atlas number, the vicinal_type (sentier vs chemin) can be found
> without external sources.
> Tim re-links the WMS for the atlas for most provinces, but before editing
> them into the wiki, Joost plans to check to what extent they are 'within
> license' to use as a source. Suggestion is made (by himself) to remind him
> from time to time not to forget about this.
>
> Discussion on the wiki status for the vicinal road tagging, raises issues
> about communication of such wiki edits, where escada points out ideally
> issues like that should get picked up either in riot channel or through the
> mailing list. Timcouwelier adds that ideally, to keep discussion / progress
> / knowledge / information spread widely, it'd probably be a good idea to
> created a weekly digest of what's discussed in the riot channel, both for
> later reference but also to open up the discussions 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Update Slow Roads conventions Belgium

[Steven Clays]

You could combine 'vicinal_type' with 'vicinal_ref', but then again, in one
municipality everthing is on the signs as Baan, in the other it is Buurtweg
and in yet another it is even Chemin (even in Flanders). Good luck with
that...

Op za 15 dec. 2018 om 15:38 schreef Steven Clays :

> To make it even more complex: in Halle, I have seen signs with A12 on
> 'atlas roads' (instead of Buurtweg nr. 12) and F12 ('feitelijke weg nr. 12'
> - factual way).
>
> Op za 15 dec. 2018 om 15:33 schreef Marc Gemis :
>
>> Sometimes references contain language specific information. Some
>> substations have CAB 12 as reference. I assume CAB refers somehow to
>> Cabine, which would not have been there if we would live e.g. in
>> Russia.
>> The same with the 'E' / 'A' / 'N' used to indicate road nummers.
>>
>> We never put the name of the street in name:nl for other roads, why
>> would we do that for vicinal roads ?
>>
>> Another example that I want to map is:
>> https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2018/2018-09-22-Londerzeel/i-SndFGmx/A
>>
>> As a simple surveyor that does not want to look at ancient road
>> atlasses I thought of mapping this just as
>>
>> name=Pluimennest
>> alt_name=Merchtemscheweg
>> vicinal_ref=Voetweg 25
>>
>> If there is another simple method to map "Voetweg" and "25" we could
>> use that as well. But I assume that the signs sometimes do not
>> correspond to what the "Atlas" has.
>>
>> Note that Voetweg/Buurtweg is not always written as such. In Rumst
>> they use VW and BW followed by the number. This is much closer to the
>> usage of e.g. A12 (which we also do not write as Autoweg 12, nor as 12
>> with and extra designation or road type tag).
>>
>> m.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 3:20 PM Karel Adams  wrote:
>> >
>> > But - for as little as I am acquainted with this specific matter - I
>> should think language-related terms should never occur in a reference? I
>> would expect and indeed welcome them in a name tag, probably
>> language-specific like name:nl
>> >
>> > KA
>> >
>> > On 15/12/2018 14:13, Steven Clays wrote:
>> >
>> > Indeed, that's why. Actually, it is a good way to deal with the
>> sometimes blurry denominations on the signposts.
>> >
>> > Op za 15 dec. 2018 om 14:59 schreef Marc Gemis :
>> >>
>> >> I suggested that, as I think it is an part of the ref. We do map "E19"
>> >> as well, not just 19.
>> >> I want to be able te reconstruct the sign as I see it during a survey.
>> >> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ben Laenen 
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > One question I have: why are the words "chemin", "sentier",
>> "voetweg" etc. part of the vicinal_ref tag? Better just leave the number in
>> there, the type of road is in the vicinal_type tag.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ben
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, 15 Dec 2018, 12:33 Steven Clays > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hello,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I made a slight overhaul of the slow roads Belgium page, based on
>> the discussion of Friday December 14th. A new tagging scheme is also
>> proposed, seperating vicinal_ref and oficial_vicinal_ref. Links are
>> restored and some pictures added. Comments and improvements welcome.
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads=1#Trage_wegen_Inventory
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Update Slow Roads conventions Belgium

[Steven Clays]

In the end, there is no legal distinction between a vicinal path and a
vicinal road. We might even choose to delete that vicinal_type tag. On the
other hand there is a lesser known vicinal_type =  particular 'Particulier
/ Bijzonder'.
For the vicinal_ref tag, there is indeed no straightforward way to choose
between french and dutch, and there are several denominations in dutch. I'd
happily accept the vicinal_ref tag as such.

Op za 15 dec. 2018 om 15:21 schreef Marc Gemis :

> I don't want to reconstuct the map from 1800, I want to map what I see
> on the sign.
> If I see a sign like
>
> https://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/OSM-2018/2018-10-07-Opdorp-Lippelobos/i-sFgCzRj
> ,
> I want to somehow map "Lippelooweg / Buurtweg 57" and "Buurtweg 58",
> regardless of what a map from 1800 says.
>
> m.
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 3:17 PM Ben Laenen  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 15 Dec 2018, 14:59 Marc Gemis  >>
> >> I suggested that, as I think it is an part of the ref. We do map "E19"
> >> as well, not just 19.
> >> I want to be able te reconstruct the sign as I see it during a survey.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah but those words aren't very consistent in usage, do you take the
> French words for Flemish roads because the Atlas was made in French for
> that municipality? In the end there are only two types, a path and a road,
> and there's no difference in a path being a sentier, pad, voetpad or
> voetweg on one map from the 1800s.
> >
> > Also, if you want what's on the map, you'd need to have "Sentier n° 117"
> as well for example.
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Update Slow Roads conventions Belgium

[Steven Clays]

Indeed, that's why. Actually, it is a good way to deal with the sometimes
blurry denominations on the signposts.

Op za 15 dec. 2018 om 14:59 schreef Marc Gemis :

> I suggested that, as I think it is an part of the ref. We do map "E19"
> as well, not just 19.
> I want to be able te reconstruct the sign as I see it during a survey.
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ben Laenen  wrote:
> >
> > One question I have: why are the words "chemin", "sentier", "voetweg"
> etc. part of the vicinal_ref tag? Better just leave the number in there,
> the type of road is in the vicinal_type tag.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > On Sat, 15 Dec 2018, 12:33 Steven Clays  >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I made a slight overhaul of the slow roads Belgium page, based on the
> discussion of Friday December 14th. A new tagging scheme is also proposed,
> seperating vicinal_ref and oficial_vicinal_ref. Links are restored and some
> pictures added. Comments and improvements welcome.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads=1#Trage_wegen_Inventory
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Update Slow Roads conventions Belgium

[Steven Clays]

Sure, thank you.

Op za 15 dec. 2018 om 12:32 schreef Steven Clays :

> Hello,
>
> I made a slight overhaul of the slow roads Belgium page, based on the
> discussion of Friday December 14th. A new tagging scheme is also proposed,
> seperating vicinal_ref and oficial_vicinal_ref. Links are restored and some
> pictures added. Comments and improvements welcome.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads=1#Trage_wegen_Inventory
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[OSM-talk-be] Update Slow Roads conventions Belgium

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 Hello,

I made a slight overhaul of the slow roads Belgium page, based on the
discussion of Friday December 14th. A new tagging scheme is also proposed,
seperating vicinal_ref and oficial_vicinal_ref. Links are restored and some
pictures added. Comments and improvements welcome.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM Belgium Local Chapter application, community feedback wanted

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Looking forward to participate in an official local chapter! 

2018-03-30 9:42 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis :

> I have confidence that the people behind the application know what
> they do and I hope that a local chapter will be beneficial for
> OpenStreetMap in Belgium.
>
> regards
>
> m.
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 8:41 AM, joost schouppe
>  wrote:
> > Martijn from the OpenStreetMap Foundation had some trouble reaching
> talk-be,
> > so I'm sending this message on his behalf. Please keep his mail in the
> > conversation!
> > ---
> >
> > French / Dutch below.
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > You may be aware that OSMbe has applied to become an official Local
> Chapter
> > of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. As part of the application process, I am
> > asking you, the community, to share any questions, comments or concerns
> that
> > you have, so we can address them.
> >
> > You can find all the information about this Local Chapter application on
> the
> > wiki:
> > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Belgium
> >
> > We will close this round of discussion two weeks from now (April 11th).
> > I am looking forward to hearing your responses.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > 8<8<8<8<8<8<8<
> > Beste allemaal,
> >
> > Jullie hebben wellicht vernomen dat OSMbe zich kandidaat heeft gesteld om
> > een officieel 'Local Chapter' van de OpenStreetMap Foundation te worden.
> Als
> > onderdeel van het proces nodig ik de Belgische community namens de
> > Foundation uit om vragen of eventuele bezwaren kenbaar te maken.
> >
> > Alle informatie over de kandidatuur is te vinden op de OSMF wiki:
> > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Belgium
> >
> > Deze consultatieronde duurt twee weken en sluit op 11 april. Ik kijk uit
> > naar jullie reacties.
> >
> > Beste groeten,
> > 8<8<8<8<8<8<8<
> > Vous êtes peut-être déjà au courant mais OSMbe a soumis une demande pour
> > devenir un Chapitre Local de la Fondation OpenStreetMap.
> > Dans le cadre du processus de demande, je vous demande, à vous la
> > communauté, de poser vos questions, vos commentaires ou vos
> préoccupations
> > afin que nous puissions y répondre.
> >
> > Vous pouvez trouver toutes les informations nécessaires au sujet de cette
> > demande sur le wiki :
> > https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters/Applications/Belgium
> >
> > Nous clôturerons cette discussion dans 2 semaines.
> > J'ai hâte de lire vos réponses.
> >
> > Bonne journée.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] trage wegen in het Dendermondse

[Steven Clays]

Hier >> https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/wwm

Op 26 februari 2018 om 13:17 schreef Steven Clays <steven.cl...@gmail.com>:

> Oh ja, en dan zijn er ook nog deze in Alken die óók allemaal zijn
> opgenomen en de tag historical=path meegekregen. Hierbij staat specifiek
> trail_visibility ingevuld.
>
>
>
>
> Op 21 februari 2018 om 18:26 schreef joost schouppe <
> joost.schou...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Hoi,
>>
>> Vijf jaar geleden, I kid you not, heeft er iemand alle buurtwegen in
>> Dendermonde ingetekend als note="nummer van de buurtweg", en niets meer. Er
>> zijn nu nog steeds een 500-tal over. De mensen van Trage Wegen vzw hebben
>> me erop gewezen.
>> Een beetje jammer dat we dat zolang niet gezien of geneerd hebben, maar
>> wel een goede gelegenheid om eens iets te testen.
>>
>> Dus heb ik even dit in elkaar geknutseld:
>>
>> https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/6d1770-Trage_wegen_als_Note
>>
>> Deze kan je zowel thuis gebruiken als op mobiel om terreinopname te doen.
>> Alle gevallen verschijnen hier op de kaart. Als je je account koppelt,
>> dan kan je aangeven of de weg verdwenen is (1), nog bestaat maar een
>> slechte geometrie heeft (2), gewoon nog bestaat en vanaf nu een weg mag
>> zijn (3), en of je het al even bekeken hebt, maar deze duidelijk ter
>> plaatse moet onderzocht worden (4).
>>
>> In geval 1, 2 en 3 verdwijnt het van de kaart. In geval 4 gaat het naar
>> een andere categorie die ook op de kaart staat.
>> In geval 1 wordt de way aangeduid als een disused:highway=road (en die
>> mogen eventueel verwijderd worden).
>> In geval 2 wordt een fixme=resurvey tag toegevoegd. In deze gevallen heb
>> je niet veel aan mapcontrib, want daar kan je geen geometrie aanpassen.
>> In geval 3 moet je nog wat info over de weg aangeven. Soms ga je dan een
>> traffic island maken, dus die check moeten we dan achteraf nog doen.
>>
>> Als je op het informatie-icoontje klikt, krijg je wat extra info; o.a.
>> links om changesets met deze mapcontrib kaart te zien.
>>
>> Als je de kaart zelf wil verfijnen, dan kan ik je account als beheerder
>> toevoegen. Of deel je ideeen hier.
>>
>> Lijkt me ideaal om mensen die in de streek wandelen mee aan te spreken,
>> en een goeie testcase voor gelijkaardige oefeningen op basis van
>> tragewegenregister of paden in wegenregister.
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] trage wegen in het Dendermondse

[Steven Clays]

Oh ja, en dan zijn er ook nog deze in Alken die óók allemaal zijn opgenomen
en de tag historical=path meegekregen. Hierbij staat specifiek
trail_visibility ingevuld.




Op 21 februari 2018 om 18:26 schreef joost schouppe <
joost.schou...@gmail.com>:

> Hoi,
>
> Vijf jaar geleden, I kid you not, heeft er iemand alle buurtwegen in
> Dendermonde ingetekend als note="nummer van de buurtweg", en niets meer. Er
> zijn nu nog steeds een 500-tal over. De mensen van Trage Wegen vzw hebben
> me erop gewezen.
> Een beetje jammer dat we dat zolang niet gezien of geneerd hebben, maar
> wel een goede gelegenheid om eens iets te testen.
>
> Dus heb ik even dit in elkaar geknutseld:
>
> https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/6d1770-Trage_wegen_als_Note
>
> Deze kan je zowel thuis gebruiken als op mobiel om terreinopname te doen.
> Alle gevallen verschijnen hier op de kaart. Als je je account koppelt, dan
> kan je aangeven of de weg verdwenen is (1), nog bestaat maar een slechte
> geometrie heeft (2), gewoon nog bestaat en vanaf nu een weg mag zijn (3),
> en of je het al even bekeken hebt, maar deze duidelijk ter plaatse moet
> onderzocht worden (4).
>
> In geval 1, 2 en 3 verdwijnt het van de kaart. In geval 4 gaat het naar
> een andere categorie die ook op de kaart staat.
> In geval 1 wordt de way aangeduid als een disused:highway=road (en die
> mogen eventueel verwijderd worden).
> In geval 2 wordt een fixme=resurvey tag toegevoegd. In deze gevallen heb
> je niet veel aan mapcontrib, want daar kan je geen geometrie aanpassen.
> In geval 3 moet je nog wat info over de weg aangeven. Soms ga je dan een
> traffic island maken, dus die check moeten we dan achteraf nog doen.
>
> Als je op het informatie-icoontje klikt, krijg je wat extra info; o.a.
> links om changesets met deze mapcontrib kaart te zien.
>
> Als je de kaart zelf wil verfijnen, dan kan ik je account als beheerder
> toevoegen. Of deel je ideeen hier.
>
> Lijkt me ideaal om mensen die in de streek wandelen mee aan te spreken, en
> een goeie testcase voor gelijkaardige oefeningen op basis van
> tragewegenregister of paden in wegenregister.
>
>
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[OSM-talk-be] Kom naar de Trefdag Trage Wegen / 24 maart 2018 in Herzele

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[image: Kom naar de Trefdag Trage Wegen / 24 maart 2018]
<http://www.tragewegen.be/media/k2/items/cache/c2f1d54ce1828aef32738f55dd882a5d_XL.jpg>

*Ontmoetingsdag voor liefhebbers van trage wegen*

Uitwisseling, inspiratie en een verkwikkende voorjaarswandeling: dat zijn
de ingrediënten van de Trefdag 2018. De werkgroep Trage Wegen van Herzele
heet ons welkom in de Vlaamse Ardennen. Een niet te missen
ontmoetingsmoment voor leden, lokale werkgroepen én voor alle fervente
wandelaars en fietsers.

*>> Ook enthousiast?* *Schrijf je in
<http://www.tragewegen.be/trefdag#inschrijven>*!
Programma

*9u30 - 10u00: Onthaal* - Goed op weg met koffie of thee

*10u00 - 11u00*

*Algemene Vergadering Trage Wegen*

Onze *lidverenigingen* beraadslagen over *bestuurszaken*. We sluiten de
jaarrekening 2017 af, keuren de begroting 2018 goed en kijken naar de
plannen voor 2018.



*Inspiratiemoment Dag van de Trage Weg*

Het jaarlijkse *campagneweekend* vindt plaats op 20 en 21 oktober 2018. We
kijken naar de hoogtepunten van de afgelopen jaren, luisteren naar
creatieve organisatoren en verkennen mogelijke acties voor de editie van
2018.
*11u00 - 11u45: Achter de schermen van een nieuw decreet gemeentewegen:*

*wat is de impact voor onze trage wegen?*

Er broeit wat op wetgevend vlak: de Vlaamse meerderheidspartijen sleutelen
aan een decreet voor álle gemeentewegen. De nieuwe regelgeving kan
aanzienlijke gevolgen hebben
voor trage wegen. We geven het woord aan *Lies Jans*, Vlaams parlementslid
(N-VA) en stuwende kracht
achter het decreet. Zij motiveert de principes van het initiatief en
situeert de voortgang van het overleg.
Trage Wegen vzw houdt de vinger aan de pols: juridisch specialist *Steven
Clays*
duidt het belang van het decreet voor de trage wegen. Hij wijst op kansen
en valkuilen.
Uiteraard is er ruimte voor vragen en discussie met het publiek. Deze
sessie is een unieke kans
om meer te vernemen over het decreet en de actuele verwikkelingen die
cruciaal zijn voor
het tragewegennetwerk in elke Vlaamse stad of gemeente.

*11u45 - 12u30: *
*Lokaal op de bres voor trage wegen:Hoe maken we samen het verschil in
verkiezingsjaar 2018?*

*Lokale actie* loont: gemeenten waar werkgroepen of verenigingen actief
zijn, hebben een krachtiger
tragewegenbeleid. Tijdens deze sessie discussiëren we in kleinere
*gesprekstafels*. We luisteren
naar ervaringen van lokale pleitbezorgers en enthousiastelingen. Samen gaan
we op zoek naar een
*aanpak *die loont. Hoe stimuleren we lokale bestuurders? Waar maken
*werkgroepen* het verschil?
Op welke manier kunnen de lokale *verkiezingen *een scharniermoment
betekenen? Lokale actie is
geen geïsoleerde strijd; overal in Vlaanderen pleiten mensen voor meer en
betere trage wegen.
Deze sessie brengt ze samen en verzamelt ervaringen en goede voorbeelden.

*12u30 - 13u15:* *Lunch*

*13u15 - 16u00: Voorjaarswandeling*

De Werkgroep Trage Wegen Herzele neemt de bezoekers van de Trefdag mee op
tocht doorheen
een pre-Vlaamse-Ardennen-landschap. We genieten van een *gevarieerd*
overgangslandschap met
uitgestrekte kouters, landwegen, vochtige weiden en heuvelachtige
panorama's. De* luswandeling*
van ca. 9 kilometer loodst ons langs trage wegen in Ressegem, Woubrechtegem
en het grensgebied
met Aaigem (Erpe-Mere). Het verhaal van de Herzeelse werkgroep start zo’n
20 jaar geleden,
toen de eerste *acties* werden georganiseerd om de teloorgang van trage
wegen aan te kaarten.
Gaandeweg kreeg de gemeente meer aandacht voor dit unieke patrimonium. De
*wisselwerking*
tussen lokaal bestuur en werkgroep staat centraal in de wandeling. We
krijgen toelichting bij kleine
en grote overwinningen, moeilijke dossiers en verrassende allianties. We
sluiten af met één van
de bekroonde streekbieren uit Herzele.



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] building = staketsel

[Steven Clays]

Strange, because http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/465851481 renders
perfectly.

2017-10-18 14:47 GMT+02:00 Ruben :

> On Wed, 18 Oct 2017 10:04:01 +0200, Pieter Brusselman <
> pieter.brussel...@tragewegen.be> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some time ago I mapped some 'man_made = pier' on the Zuidlede. Those
> > items don't show up on the map.  Perhaps due to the rendering_style.
> >
> > I was looking for some examples and i found:
> > http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7340858#map=18/51.0/3.73357.
> > Here, the pier/staketsel is mapped as a 'building'.  I don't think this
> > is realy a building :-).
>
> That is due to an illegal and very badly performed import.
>
> Do not pay attention to any tags that endless_autumn has added. (Or fix
> them :) )
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange styling of waterway=drain + intermittent=yes

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No results here.


2017-06-08 14:36 GMT+02:00 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>:

> Steven,
>
> Look here for example: https://www.getfilecloud.com/blog/2015/03/
> tech-tip-how-to-do-hard-refresh-in-browsers/
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
>
> Ben Abelshausen
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Steven Clays <steven.cl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> How do you perform a hard refresh?
>>
>>
>> 2017-06-07 15:37 GMT+02:00 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Works here, maybe because I'm not in Belgium...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 Jun 2017 12:37, "joost schouppe" <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> They are definitely already on this, but I saw something about this
>>> being a nastier bug than you would expect. Hard refresh doesn't seem to
>>> work anyways.
>>>
>>> 2017-06-07 12:10 GMT+02:00 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I think they fixed it already, try hard refresing the map...
>>>>
>>>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ben Abelshausen
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Pieter Brusselman <
>>>> pieter.brussel...@tragewegen.be> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> wrong link: the map looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#
>>>>> map=15/51.1085/3.8704.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pieter Brusselman
>>>>> *Cartografie ~ Projectmedewerker*
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: (logo boompja)] <http://www.tragewegen.be>
>>>>>
>>>>> *A* Kasteellaan 349 A, 9000 Gent
>>>>> *T* 09 / 331 59 27
>>>>> *W *www.tragewegen.be
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: logo facebook] <http://www.facebook.com/tragewegen>
>>>>>
>>>>> ter info: tot eind juni werk ik niet op donderdag en vrijdag
>>>>> Op 7/06/2017 om 11:38 schreef Pieter Brusselman:
>>>>>
>>>>> According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
>>>>> wiki/Key:intermittent?uselang=nl the waterway=drain +
>>>>> intermittent=yes should be styled as a dashed blue line.  But now they 
>>>>> look
>>>>> like this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
>>>>> wiki/Key:intermittent?uselang=nl
>>>>>
>>>>> It is very confusing to look at such a map.  Does anyone knows what
>>>>> happend here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Grtz,
>>>>> Pieter
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> *T* 09 / 331 59 27
>>>>> *W *www.tragewegen.be
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ter info: tot eind juni werk ik niet op donderdag en vrijdag
>>>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange styling of waterway=drain + intermittent=yes

[Steven Clays]

How do you perform a hard refresh?


2017-06-07 15:37 GMT+02:00 Ben Abelshausen :

> Works here, maybe because I'm not in Belgium...
>
>
> On 7 Jun 2017 12:37, "joost schouppe"  wrote:
>
> They are definitely already on this, but I saw something about this being
> a nastier bug than you would expect. Hard refresh doesn't seem to work
> anyways.
>
> 2017-06-07 12:10 GMT+02:00 Ben Abelshausen :
>
>> I think they fixed it already, try hard refresing the map...
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ben Abelshausen
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Pieter Brusselman <
>> pieter.brussel...@tragewegen.be> wrote:
>>
>>> wrong link: the map looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#
>>> map=15/51.1085/3.8704.
>>>
>>> Pieter Brusselman
>>> *Cartografie ~ Projectmedewerker*
>>>
>>> [image: (logo boompja)] 
>>>
>>> *A* Kasteellaan 349 A, 9000 Gent
>>> *T* 09 / 331 59 27
>>> *W *www.tragewegen.be
>>>
>>> [image: logo facebook] 
>>>
>>> ter info: tot eind juni werk ik niet op donderdag en vrijdag
>>> Op 7/06/2017 om 11:38 schreef Pieter Brusselman:
>>>
>>> According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
>>> wiki/Key:intermittent?uselang=nl the waterway=drain + intermittent=yes
>>> should be styled as a dashed blue line.  But now they look like this:
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent?uselang=nl
>>>
>>> It is very confusing to look at such a map.  Does anyone knows what
>>> happend here?
>>>
>>> Grtz,
>>> Pieter
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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>>>
>>> [image: (logo boompja)] 
>>>
>>> *A* Kasteellaan 349 A, 9000 Gent
>>> *T* 09 / 331 59 27
>>> *W *www.tragewegen.be
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>>> [image: logo facebook] 
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] many mappy meetings this March

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And don't forget to announce the Trefdag Trage Wegen in Kortrijk, next
Saturdag 25th, with a mapping/routing workshop focussing on making your own
routable application, based on OSM 'slow roads'  data.
>>> www.tragewegen.be/trefdag


2017-03-20 10:45 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe :

> Jo, I didn't mention Leuven because at least you have an experienced OSM
> university member helping out (Johan De Cock). At least according to our
> master doc. Namur and LLN have just a single person!
>
> But yes, more help is welcome in several places! Gent, Leuven and Liège
> have just two people helping out.
>
> 2017-03-20 10:36 GMT+01:00 Jo :
>
>> It seems like I'll be the only one helping participants in Leuven, which
>> is probably not a problem, but it wouldn't hurt to have some backup.
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> 2017-03-20 8:45 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe :
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> This will be a busy week:
>>>
>>> On Friday, we'll have a regular OpenStreetMap meetup in Louvain La Neuve
>>> [1]. C'est le premier OSM meetup en Wallonie depuis tres tres longtemps!
>>>
>>> On Saturday and Sunday, Dewey is doing a Cartopartie about their
>>> maps.dewey.org [2]. It is more an open source dev hackaton than
>>> something OSM. But they are investigating the relation between their
>>> geodata and OSM. As Philippe noted somewhere, their data isn't always
>>> better - but there are surely some mutual benefits to be found.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, we are having the National Mapathon. It looks like we will
>>> surpass last year's participation, with 177 people already registered [3].
>>> We are still looking for volunteers to help new mappers, especially in
>>> Louvain-la-Neuve and Namur.
>>> In the evening, you're welcome to the Validation Party, which we will do
>>> at the Dewey Cartopartie in Brussels.
>>> Even though only 1% of participants go on to become heavy Belgium
>>> mappers, this is a great opportunity to present OSM to a completely new
>>> public.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, we will join the Cartopartie crew for our second OSM Belgium
>>> Hackday [4]. All your projects are welcome, though we have several in the
>>> works: improving the new website, GRB import, Roadmapping project, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1: https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/238062854/
>>> 2: http://www.dewey.be/cartopartie/cartopartie-bruxelloise-au-p
>>> ianofabriek/
>>> 3: http://nationalmapathon.eventbrite.com
>>> 4: https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/238459488/
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Aanpassingsmeldingen / Notifications

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Thanks Mark, just in case... as I said, it did not really happen before.

Steven

2016-12-22 19:57 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>:

> Depending on the case, you can immediately revert the change (e.g.
> with the revert plugin in JOSM), or first contact the other mapper to
> inform him/her about the problem. Informing the user is preferred as
> this give you insight in the reasoning about the mapping or might
> teach the other mapper about his/her mistakes.
>
> The immediate revert might be needed for larger changes and when you
> are sure that the mapping is wrong. If there are smaller problems, it
> might be more interesting to allow the other mapper to correct the
> mistakes. A revert becomes harder when other people start editing in
> that area as well.
>
> In some cases, you will not get an answer after a few days, you can
> still do a revert, or just update the data (which might be easier and
> faster than a revert).
>
> The preferred way to discuss a problem is via changeset comments. The
> Data Working Group always asks to do this, in case it turns into an
> edit war, they have something to follow.
>
> I do not always follow this rule of communication, especially when the
> same user keeps on making the same mistake or has not made an edit in
> a long time
>
> OSM is a community project, so communication is important.
>
> regards
>
> m
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Steven Clays <steven.cl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Thanks! Is there a procedure for reverting outright errors or sabotage?
> Can
> > I do this myself?
> > (To be clear: it is a hypothetical question, untill now it did not
> happen!)
> >
> > 2016-12-22 19:15 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas <gl...@byte-consult.be>:
> >>
> >> On 22-12-16 17:36, Steven Clays wrote:
> >> > Hallo,
> >> >
> >> > dit is misschien een beetje een basisvraagje, maar ik vond het
> antwoord
> >> > nergens. Is er een mogelijkheid om op de hoogte gehouden te worden van
> >> > de aanpassingen die een andere gebruiker maakt aan de wijzigingen die
> je
> >> > zelf hebt toegevoegd?
> >> >
> >> > This is perhaps a basis question, but I cannot immediately find an
> >> > answer. Is there any possibility to get a notification when somebody
> >> > edits a feature / geometry / tag / / ... you submitted earlier?
> >>
> >> you can use Osmose [1] and WhoDidIt [2].   Osmose tracks errors on the
> >> last objects your target has touched.  WhoDidIt uses a bounding box area
> >> you wish to monitor.  Very handy.  That's how I keep track of a few
> >> large areas.
> >>
> >> I recommend using an RSS feed reader (thunderbird for example) for both.
> >>  They both support getting this using RSS
> >>
> >> Glenn
> >>
> >>
> >> [1] http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/byuser/
> >> [2] http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/
> >> >
> >> > Merci voor het antwoord!
> >> > Thanks for helping me out!
> >> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Aanpassingsmeldingen / Notifications

[Steven Clays]

Thanks! Is there a procedure for reverting outright errors or sabotage? Can
I do this myself?
(To be clear: it is a hypothetical question, untill now it did not happen!)

2016-12-22 19:15 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas <gl...@byte-consult.be>:

> On 22-12-16 17:36, Steven Clays wrote:
> > Hallo,
> >
> > dit is misschien een beetje een basisvraagje, maar ik vond het antwoord
> > nergens. Is er een mogelijkheid om op de hoogte gehouden te worden van
> > de aanpassingen die een andere gebruiker maakt aan de wijzigingen die je
> > zelf hebt toegevoegd?
> >
> > This is perhaps a basis question, but I cannot immediately find an
> > answer. Is there any possibility to get a notification when somebody
> > edits a feature / geometry / tag / / ... you submitted earlier?
>
> you can use Osmose [1] and WhoDidIt [2].   Osmose tracks errors on the
> last objects your target has touched.  WhoDidIt uses a bounding box area
> you wish to monitor.  Very handy.  That's how I keep track of a few
> large areas.
>
> I recommend using an RSS feed reader (thunderbird for example) for both.
>  They both support getting this using RSS
>
> Glenn
>
>
> [1] http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/byuser/
> [2] http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/whodidit/
> >
> > Merci voor het antwoord!
> > Thanks for helping me out!
> >
> > Steven
> >
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[OSM-talk-be] Aanpassingsmeldingen / Notifications

[Steven Clays]

Hallo,

dit is misschien een beetje een basisvraagje, maar ik vond het antwoord
nergens. Is er een mogelijkheid om op de hoogte gehouden te worden van de
aanpassingen die een andere gebruiker maakt aan de wijzigingen die je zelf
hebt toegevoegd?

This is perhaps a basis question, but I cannot immediately find an answer.
Is there any possibility to get a notification when somebody edits a
feature / geometry / tag / / ... you submitted earlier?

Merci voor het antwoord!
Thanks for helping me out!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] voetbalkantine

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@Jorieke:

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Op 1 december 2016 20:25 schreef Marc Gemis :

> 2016-12-01 18:32 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe :
> > community_centre=youth_centre is dus niet van toepassing dan?
>
> Dat is voor het gebouw  / terrein, niet voor de feitelijke club volgens
> mij.
>
> Hetzelfde geld bv voor een visclub. Daar kan je de vijver met
> leisure=fishing, het gebouw met amenity=community_centre en de
> aanwezigheid van een club met een node club=fishing mappen.
>
> Ik heb dit zelf nog niet al te dikwijls gedaan, maar feitelijk zijn
> het 3 verschillende features. Misschien hebben ze elk een
> verschillende naam. Ook al gezien dat er 2 clubs 1 sportterrein delen
> (bv 2 voetbalclubs of voetbalclub en hondenschool of club voor
> windhondenrennen.)
>
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