Re: [OSM-talk-be] Preference ? : address number as NODE in building/house, or WHOLE building/house with address number ?
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Glenn Plas wrote: > These are question you will encounter in cities with historical buildings. My pleasure to give you those problems :-) A related problem is the case where only 1 building of a group is protected, e.g. only one barn or the building for the production of goods and not the house of the farm or factory. We typically set the house number on the house, not on the other buildings, though they have the same number. If you do not repeat the number, the listed building (protected monument) cannot be found by its address. I have never tried to set it on the "ground" or parcel, but that might be the solution in such a case. Did other people ever put the address on the farmland ? I read that Sander does it on the school ground. regards m ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Preference ? : address number as NODE in building/house, or WHOLE building/house with address number ?
I meant: show building=industrial and building=house differently
And also, I follow the same principles as Sander does. If I know the
entrance, I map the address. I also discovered that mapping the address
on the house + on an entrance node doesn't harm either.
Specifically when a house got a certain number, the shop the same or a
subnumber, I verify with their website when they publish their coordinates.
I thought a lot about splitting amenity , shop, even historical from the
address data
So this you will find on the building(way):
OnroerendErfgoed:criteria=M
addr:housename=De Schaal
addr:housenumber=31
addr:street=Grote Markt
building=house
heritage:operator=OnroerendErfgoed
heritage:website=https://inventaris.onroerenderfgoed.be/dibe/relict/3724
heritage=4
ref:OnroerendErfgoed=3724
And this on a node joined to the building:
addr:housenumber=31
addr:street=Grote Markt
amenity=bank
entrance=main
name=Belfius
old_name=Dexia
The idea is this: The shop might disapear sooner than the building, in
fact it probably will be gone too when the building is gone. But shops
come and go.
When someone comes by and deletes the node when the shop is gone, the
house is still there with all relevant data intact. I take these
precautions to eliminate probable beginner mistakes.
I also debated to not create/delete the duplicate address information so
I started looking at how nominatim acts searching for a bank, the
address, the historical data.
Which sometimes brings back pretty interesting results[1]:
{
place_id: "2569293315"
licence: "Data © OpenStreetMap contributors, ODbL 1.0.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright";
osm_type: "way"
osm_id: "322960205"
lat: "51.02759255"
lon: "4.48010419521519"
display_name: "De Schaal, 31, Grote Markt, Mechelen, Antwerpen,
Vlaanderen, 2800;2801;2811;2812, België"
address: {
building: "De Schaal"
house_number: "31"
pedestrian: "Grote Markt"
city_district: "Mechelen"
town: "Mechelen"
county: "Mechelen"
state: "Vlaanderen"
postcode: "2800;2801;2811;2812"
country: "België"
country_code: "be"
}-
}
So some weird combination. I searched for the exact node coordinates here.
Searching for a lat/lon pair within the borders of the building results
in the same node still.
The downside of only putting address information on the entrance node is
that you sort of split/strip/have to take down the OnroerendErfgoed
information and put part of it on a node That doesn't feel right.
In this case above it's the same address which can be a different
housenumber but that is usually not the case.
But the postal code worries me more. It should be 2800 in dead center
of Mechelen. Anyone know why this happens ? This wasn't the case 3
months ago and I didn't even look at the postalcode boundaries in
Mechelen , never.
These are question you will encounter in cities with historical buildings.
Glenn
[1] >
http://nominatim.openstreetmaps.org/reverse.php?format=xml&lat=51.0277182&lon=4.480156852628769&zoom=18&addressdetails=1&email=glenn&accept-language=nl,en;q=0.8,fr;q=0.5
> The default map style sheet show industrial and building differently.
> They might decide to change that.
>
> Glenn
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Preference ? : address number as NODE in building/house, or WHOLE building/house with address number ?
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:48 PM, Glenn Plas wrote: > When sure it is a house, map it building=house. > > I started doing this as well lately, I'm trying to get away from > building=yes > > usually garage , house , residential (for big living blocks) , shed , > industrial. > > +1, please try to be more precise than just building=yes. I also use retail (for shops) and apartments. Churches should be building=church and for schools use building=school. Just look at the building page [1] on the wiki, you might start using other values as well (commercial, farm, barn, ) Another nice improvement is to map the area of large shops and their parkings as landuse=retail regards m [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:building ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Preference ? : address number as NODE in building/house, or WHOLE building/house with address number ?
When sure it is a house, map it building=house. I started doing this as well lately, I'm trying to get away from building=yes usually garage , house , residential (for big living blocks) , shed , industrial. Those probably make up for 99% of the building keys I create. The default map style sheet show industrial and building differently. They might decide to change that. Glenn On 17-03-15 14:29, henkevdb wrote: > My preference is mapping a house or building as 'yes', and then place a > node with the address number and street in the building/house as close > nearby to the 'main' entrance, because that is usually the place where > the postbox also is. Or is that wrong ? > Also, when a building has a 'strange', and often large shape, josm then > places the address number sometimes in a corner of that shape/building , > way of the 'main' entrance. > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be -- "Everything is going to be 200 OK." ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Preference ? : address number as NODE in building/house, or WHOLE building/house with address number ?
Our postbox stands about 10m from our house, and about 20m from our main entrance. Though we only use our main entrance once or twice per week, so it's hardly our main entrance. And there's no way you can find our entrance without coming in our front-yard. So I prefer to add a housenumber to the identifying feature. If a building has multiple doors, with different housenumbers, then tag the entrances with the numbers. If a building matches one-to-one with a housenumber, tag that building with the housenumber. If there are multiple buildings under one address (for example a school), then tag the outline (the amenity=school area f.e.) with the housenumber. Finding a general rule doesn't work, for one company (bPost) the address is the post box, for another company (package delivery), the address is the delivery entrance, for people, the address is the front door, ... So I think you must interpret every case as see it, and find the most descriptive feature for it. After all, for software, it's easy to extract a centroid from an area. And it can also be handy when the address is linked to a physical feature with extra tags. For example, if you have a commercial building with one address, but a delivery and a customer entrance, clever routing software could be able to see that the address is tagged on the building, and that the building way contains two nodes tagged with entrance=*, so it could ask you which entrance you want. And the JOSM problem is just that, a JOSM problem. It's not something the data users will be annoyed with. Regards, Sander 2015-03-17 14:29 GMT+01:00 henkevdb : > My preference is mapping a house or building as 'yes', and then place a > node with the address number and street in the building/house as close > nearby to the 'main' entrance, because that is usually the place where the > postbox also is. Or is that wrong ? > Also, when a building has a 'strange', and often large shape, josm then > places the address number sometimes in a corner of that shape/building , > way of the 'main' entrance. > > ___ > Talk-be mailing list > Talk-be@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be > ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
[OSM-talk-be] Preference ? : address number as NODE in building/house, or WHOLE building/house with address number ?
My preference is mapping a house or building as 'yes', and then place a node with the address number and street in the building/house as close nearby to the 'main' entrance, because that is usually the place where the postbox also is. Or is that wrong ? Also, when a building has a 'strange', and often large shape, josm then places the address number sometimes in a corner of that shape/building , way of the 'main' entrance. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
