Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM.be versus OpenStreetMap.be

[OSMDoudou]

So, it's rather consistent. Thx for the check.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM.be versus OpenStreetMap.be

[joost schouppe]

Hi Doudou,
I don't think anyone has a local domain to show the same as what
openstreetmap.org shows. In fact, I think most people believe
openstreetmap.org should look more like what the local websites look like,
rather than the other way around.
In the previous version of osm.be, there was in fact a link to "oh you just
want to see the default map" somewhere prominent on the page. I think it
was a conscious choice -not- to do that this time, but maybe we do have to
offer an alternative to that. For example: "I just want to see the map"
which leads to a page explaining there is only "the" database, and many
maps. With of course a link to the openstreetmap.org rendering of the map.

Op ma 12 nov. 2018 om 08:21 schreef OSMDoudou <
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> It’s fine as long as it’s consistent and predictable for the user.
>
> If a regional domain shows a map and another the chapter info, it can be
> confusing.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM.be versus OpenStreetMap.be

[Marc Gemis]

.nl .ie .de. fr .be .jp .us  --> no map, or map as background.
.ch .org --> map
.it -> just some text + link to wiki


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM.be versus OpenStreetMap.be

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It’s fine as long as it’s consistent and predictable for the user.

If a regional domain shows a map and another the chapter info, it can be 
confusing.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM.be versus OpenStreetMap.be

[OSMDoudou]

Second thoughts...

When you visit a .com website, which also has an affiliated regional website, 
like .be, you expect to find the same stuff but in the local language and with 
local products.

By the logic above, openstreetmap.be should show the map centered on Belgium.

In the case of openstreetmap.org and openstreetmap.be, they would be totally 
different.

My 2ç.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM.be versus OpenStreetMap.be

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+1 



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM.be versus OpenStreetMap.be

[Ruben]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:16:34 +0200, Jakka  wrote:
> Op 11/10/2018 om 12:10 schreef joost schouppe:
> > Since OpenStreetMap Belgium recently became an official Local Chapter of
> > the OpenStreetMap Foundation, we finally got the www.OpenStreetMap.be
> >  domain. Everything is set up now that this
> > domain refers to the existing osm.be  website and subdomains.
> >
> > That means that www.osm.be  is still the most
> > important url. Since OSM is a less known term than OpenStreetMap, I
> > would personally prefer to use the full version as the primary address,
> > with OSM.be still working but just as an alias.
> >
> > Anyone else have an opinion on this?
>
> fully agree full name is better remembered than abbreviations definitely 
> for beginners

+1.

https://welcome.osm.be/ already redirects to https://welcome.openstreetmap.be/.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM.be versus OpenStreetMap.be

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Op 11/10/2018 om 12:10 schreef joost schouppe:

Hi,

Since OpenStreetMap Belgium recently became an official Local Chapter of
the OpenStreetMap Foundation, we finally got the www.OpenStreetMap.be
 domain. Everything is set up now that this
domain refers to the existing osm.be  website and subdomains.

That means that www.osm.be  is still the most
important url. Since OSM is a less known term than OpenStreetMap, I
would personally prefer to use the full version as the primary address,
with OSM.be still working but just as an alias.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?

Regards,
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fully agree full name is better remembered than abbreviations definitely 
for beginners



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[OSM-talk-be] OSM.be versus OpenStreetMap.be

[joost schouppe]

Hi,

Since OpenStreetMap Belgium recently became an official Local Chapter of
the OpenStreetMap Foundation, we finally got the www.OpenStreetMap.be
domain. Everything is set up now that this domain refers to the existing
osm.be website and subdomains.

That means that www.osm.be is still the most important url. Since OSM is a
less known term than OpenStreetMap, I would personally prefer to use the
full version as the primary address, with OSM.be still working but just as
an alias.

Anyone else have an opinion on this?

Regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM.be & SOTM

[Marc Gemis]

I was not thinking about volunteers at this moment, but about the general
public On osm.be we should put a big banner "State of the Map is coming to
Brussels in 2016."

Perhaps with a link to the sotm website for more information (even when
that is is now saying "more details later")

We could also put something on osm.be like "If you are willing to help out,
click here"  -> RMLL web site.


Something on the facebook group (was announced there already) and the
Belgian forum (sticky at the top in both cases ?) would be nice as well.
Not everybody starts out on this mailing list, nor on the RMLL website (of
which I had never heard before)


regards

m

p.s. This is triggered by a answer from Jo on the forum & Joost's
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> Yes. we are looking for many volunteers to help eg. with all the details
> of logistics and organizations, during the conference, befire ad after.
>
> A lst could be found on the RMLL web site.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nicolas
>
>
> Le ven 6 nov 2015 à 7:29, Marc Gemis  a écrit :
>
> Should we start placing info/teasers on osm.be about SOTM 2016 ?
>
> regards
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We're about to announce a date, so that might be a good opportunity for an
announcement/call for volunteers blog post on osm.be

If we start making a draft now, that would allow to publish as soon as the
word is out. That would also allow me to put said draft up for discussion
in the next SOTM team meeting.

I don't really know how osm.be works. Make a draft there? Or just a hackpad?

2015-11-06 8:45 GMT+01:00 Jo :

> If we want to find those volunteers, we should indeed be a bit more vocal
> about it. If you refer to the RMLL website, it probably makes sense to
> include a url that people can click on.
>
> Jo
>
> 2015-11-06 8:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux :
>
>> Yes. we are looking for many volunteers to help eg. with all the details
>> of logistics and organizations, during the conference, befire ad after.
>>
>> A lst could be found on the RMLL web site.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
>>
>> Le ven 6 nov 2015 à 7:29, Marc Gemis  a écrit :
>>
>> Should we start placing info/teasers on osm.be about SOTM 2016 ?
>>
>> regards
>>
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I have no idea how to add a banner. (or anything else). Ben, Jorieke, Jo
and Marc Ducobu have added content in the past.

On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:14 AM, joost schouppe 
wrote:

> Banner sounds like a good idea. We kind of do already have a SOTM 2016
> "house style", so I'll ask Tatiana if she could make some kind of banner
> like that.
> Marc, can you add this, or who should we ask?
>
> Nicolas, I had a quick look at the RMLL website, but I don't see the list
> you mean. Could you explain a bit?
>
> Once we release the date would be a first moment to start registering
> volunteers I think. We could simply make a volunt...@osm.be mail account
> to collect responses. I'm sure a better organized system will follow later,
> but I think capturing the momentum would be nice.
>
> 2015-11-06 9:03 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis :
>
>> I was not thinking about volunteers at this moment, but about the general
>> public On osm.be we should put a big banner "State of the Map is coming
>> to Brussels in 2016."
>>
>> Perhaps with a link to the sotm website for more information (even when
>> that is is now saying "more details later")
>>
>> We could also put something on osm.be like "If you are willing to help
>> out, click here"  -> RMLL web site.
>>
>>
>> Something on the facebook group (was announced there already) and the
>> Belgian forum (sticky at the top in both cases ?) would be nice as well.
>> Not everybody starts out on this mailing list, nor on the RMLL website (of
>> which I had never heard before)
>>
>>
>> regards
>>
>> m
>>
>> p.s. This is triggered by a answer from Jo on the forum & Joost's
>> statistics on osm.be
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. we are looking for many volunteers to help eg. with all the details
>>> of logistics and organizations, during the conference, befire ad after.
>>>
>>> A lst could be found on the RMLL web site.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Nicolas
>>>
>>>
>>> Le ven 6 nov 2015 à 7:29, Marc Gemis  a écrit :
>>>
>>> Should we start placing info/teasers on osm.be about SOTM 2016 ?
>>>
>>> regards
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Should we start placing info/teasers on osm.be about SOTM 2016 ?

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[Jo]

If we want to find those volunteers, we should indeed be a bit more vocal
about it. If you refer to the RMLL website, it probably makes sense to
include a url that people can click on.

Jo

2015-11-06 8:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux :

> Yes. we are looking for many volunteers to help eg. with all the details
> of logistics and organizations, during the conference, befire ad after.
>
> A lst could be found on the RMLL web site.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nicolas
>
>
> Le ven 6 nov 2015 à 7:29, Marc Gemis  a écrit :
>
> Should we start placing info/teasers on osm.be about SOTM 2016 ?
>
> regards
>
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Yes. we are looking for many volunteers to help eg. with all the 
details of logistics and organizations, during the conference, befire 
ad after.


A lst could be found on the RMLL web site.

Thanks,

Nicolas

Le ven 6 nov 2015 à 7:29, Marc Gemis  a écrit :

Should we start placing info/teasers on osm.be about SOTM 2016 ?

regards

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM.be should organise not a mapparty for new data but once to repear wrong data mapping :)

[André Pirard]

On 2015-03-01 14:37, Jo wrote :
 Maybe we could agree on an evening per week for doing regular hangout
 sessions. I don't see myself traveling across Belgium for a repair
 mapping errors mapathon...

 During a hangout we can discuss possible ways to fix some of those
 reported errors.
I think that what is spoken would have to be repeated all over again for
each newcomer.
The same holds for what we write on this mailing list.
I remember the time I was a newcomer and finding most information abroad.
Conclusions we write on this list should be digested into wiki articles.
(it would be much more easier if the wiki was correctly supporting HTML
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Papou/HTML_in_wiki_pages).
And the particular issues that Jakka raises should be in a FAQ.
Or a LFAQ.  Less frequently asked questions.

Les paroles s'envolent.  Les écrits restent.
Cheers

André.



 Greetings,

 Jo

 2015-03-01 14:14 GMT+01:00 Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com
 mailto:vdmfrank...@gmail.com:

 PS We all put data in, but sometimes not following the rules.
 Lack of knowledge or the JOSM validator do not find it.

 I run sometimes
 http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/
 http://keepright.ipax.at
 ???
 ???

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[Jo]

Couldn't we use Overpass in order to skip step 1?

Jo

2015-03-02 12:31 GMT+01:00 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com:

 Hi Guys,

 I agree, I was also thinking this weekend to finally start doing a
 maproulette challenge! We could use this opportunity to find mistakes and
 fix them.

 A few ideas are here:

 https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette/issues/

 Basically what it comes down to is this:

 - Import an OSM-dump into a database.
 - Write a query that extracts common errors.
 - Setup a challenge.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette/Challenges

 Anyone who is willing to do the first two steps? I can do the last one.

 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,

 Ben Abelshausen

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 4:44 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be
 wrote:

 Hello

 I think that Jakka's initiative (to have regular meetings to check and
 verify OSM content) is good, but as Jo points out


 I don't see myself traveling across Belgium for a repair mapping errors
 mapathon...


  Maybe we could agree on an evening per week for doing regular hangout
 sessions.
 the frequency could be adapted to personnal wishes. Let's maybe start
 with a less ambitious goal (once a month a public event on hangout or
 better imho Mozilla Hello

 best regards,

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[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi Guys,

I agree, I was also thinking this weekend to finally start doing a
maproulette challenge! We could use this opportunity to find mistakes and
fix them.

A few ideas are here:

https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette/issues/

Basically what it comes down to is this:

- Import an OSM-dump into a database.
- Write a query that extracts common errors.
- Setup a challenge.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette/Challenges

Anyone who is willing to do the first two steps? I can do the last one.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

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wrote:

 Hello

 I think that Jakka's initiative (to have regular meetings to check and
 verify OSM content) is good, but as Jo points out


 I don't see myself traveling across Belgium for a repair mapping errors
 mapathon...


  Maybe we could agree on an evening per week for doing regular hangout
 sessions.
 the frequency could be adapted to personnal wishes. Let's maybe start with
 a less ambitious goal (once a month a public event on hangout or better
 imho Mozilla Hello

 best regards,

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[Glenn Plas]

I can give it a go, I'm doing a tile server setup right now with the
Belgian data.  I'm having a bit of a postgresql issue (actually it is
supposedly installed but it isn't ...).

I'll give it a try

Glenn


On 02-03-15 12:31, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
 Hi Guys,
 
 I agree, I was also thinking this weekend to finally start doing a
 maproulette challenge! We could use this opportunity to find mistakes
 and fix them.
 
 A few ideas are here:
 
 https://github.com/osmlab/maproulette/issues/
 
 Basically what it comes down to is this:
 
 - Import an OSM-dump into a database.
 - Write a query that extracts common errors.
 - Setup a challenge.
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapRoulette/Challenges
 
 Anyone who is willing to do the first two steps? I can do the last one.
 
 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,
 
 Ben Abelshausen
 
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 mailto:nico...@pettiaux.be wrote:
 
 Hello
 
 I think that Jakka's initiative (to have regular meetings to check
 and verify OSM content) is good, but as Jo points out 
  
 I don't see myself traveling across Belgium for a repair mapping
 errors mapathon...
 
  Maybe we could agree on an evening per week for doing regular hangout 
 sessions. 
 the frequency could be adapted to personnal wishes. Let's maybe
 start with a less ambitious goal (once a month a public event on
 hangout or better imho Mozilla Hello
 
 best regards,
 
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[Jo]

Maybe we could agree on an evening per week for doing regular hangout
sessions. I don't see myself traveling across Belgium for a repair mapping
errors mapathon...

During a hangout we can discuss possible ways to fix some of those reported
errors.

Greetings,

Jo

2015-03-01 14:14 GMT+01:00 Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com:

 PS We all put data in, but sometimes not following the rules.
 Lack of knowledge or the JOSM validator do not find it.

 I run sometimes
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[Jakka]

PS We all put data in, but sometimes not following the rules.
Lack of knowledge or the JOSM validator do not find it.

I run sometimes
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr
http://tools.geofabrik.de/
http://keepright.ipax.at
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[Nicolas Pettiaux]

Hello

I think that Jakka's initiative (to have regular meetings to check and 
verify OSM content) is good, but as Jo points out 

I don't see myself traveling across Belgium for a repair mapping 
errors mapathon...


 Maybe we could agree on an evening per week for doing regular 
hangout sessions. 
the frequency could be adapted to personnal wishes. Let's maybe start 
with a less ambitious goal (once a month a public event on hangout or 
better imho Mozilla Hello


best regards,

Nicolas

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be!

[Bart Vanherck]

Op de community pagina is de link naar franstalige ( en nederlandstalige)
foutief.

http://osm.be/en/community

B


Op 7 december 2013 18:50 schreef Gilbert Hersschens gherssch...@gmail.com:

 @ Ben: er staat nog een tikfoutje op het Hergebruiken tabblad:
 Cloudemade moet Cloudmade zijn.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be!

[Julien Fastré]

Does anyone has published the information about osm.be into a journal 
entry ?


Julien

Le 09/12/13 09:30, Julien Fastré a écrit :

Ben,

Publish articles in both languages may be so nice than a full 
translated website ! It allows bilingual people to check posts in both 
languages.


I may insert them into drupal if you need help.

Julien

Le 08/12/13 19:59, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :


On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info 
mailto:jul...@fastre.info wrote:


This is not a litteral translation. I allowed myself to adapt the
language into the French way :-) of writing... I think the ideas
are'nt too much changed, and it sounds better in French.


Hi,

Thanks! Not problem to change the wording... :-)

Not sure when I will find the time to put them online. I'm really 
struggling with the translation functionality in drupal, anyone with 
more insight/experience, help is wanted! I have two masters degrees 
in computer science but I can't get my head around the logic behind 
the horrible drupal translation support mess! (frustration speaking here)


Using the built-in language switcher does not switch the language on 
an article. It just show a language switcher per article and keeps 
dutch when french and a switch per article (why?).


Anyway will search drupal forums (also a mess) to find some more 
information and to get this working.


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[Julien Fastré]

Ben,

Publish articles in both languages may be so nice than a full translated 
website ! It allows bilingual people to check posts in both languages.


I may insert them into drupal if you need help.

Julien

Le 08/12/13 19:59, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :


On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info 
mailto:jul...@fastre.info wrote:


This is not a litteral translation. I allowed myself to adapt the
language into the French way :-) of writing... I think the ideas
are'nt too much changed, and it sounds better in French.


Hi,

Thanks! Not problem to change the wording... :-)

Not sure when I will find the time to put them online. I'm really 
struggling with the translation functionality in drupal, anyone with 
more insight/experience, help is wanted! I have two masters degrees in 
computer science but I can't get my head around the logic behind the 
horrible drupal translation support mess! (frustration speaking here)


Using the built-in language switcher does not switch the language on 
an article. It just show a language switcher per article and keeps 
dutch when french and a switch per article (why?).


Anyway will search drupal forums (also a mess) to find some more 
information and to get this working.


Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be!

[Julien Fastré]

Thanks a lot !

I translated the blog posts here :

http://lite3.framapad.org/p/hIxBrMkkXB

This is not a litteral translation. I allowed myself to adapt the
language into the French way :-) of writing... I think the ideas are'nt
too much changed, and it sounds better in French.

Julien



Le 07/12/13 19:00, André Pirard a écrit :
 On 2013-12-07 18:50, Gilbert Hersschens wrote :
 @ Ben: er staat nog een tikfoutje op het Hergebruiken tabblad:
 Cloudemade moet Cloudmade zijn.

 Gilbert

 Congratulations for that site !!!
 I have a few remarks too, but it's not appropriate to write them down
 here for the posterity :-)
 What about adding a Webmaster address?

 Cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be!

[Ben Abelshausen]

On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info wrote:

 This is not a litteral translation. I allowed myself to adapt the language
 into the French way :-) of writing... I think the ideas are'nt too much
 changed, and it sounds better in French.


Hi,

Thanks! Not problem to change the wording... :-)

Not sure when I will find the time to put them online. I'm really
struggling with the translation functionality in drupal, anyone with more
insight/experience, help is wanted! I have two masters degrees in computer
science but I can't get my head around the logic behind the horrible drupal
translation support mess! (frustration speaking here)

Using the built-in language switcher does not switch the language on an
article. It just show a language switcher per article and keeps dutch when
french and a switch per article (why?).

Anyway will search drupal forums (also a mess) to find some more
information and to get this working.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen
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[OSM-talk-be] osm.be!

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

The osm.be website is online!

Many many thanks to everyone who has helped, please report things that are
wrong or things you wish to be changed to me or this list for a discussion.
The website belongs to all of us.

If anyone wants to blog about their projects/mapping activities please let
me know as well.

http://osm.be/

There are also two blog posts left in dutch, they can also be translated if
required. I would do this myself but I'm still ashamed to say that google
translate would to better job than me...

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be!

[Marc Gemis]

Thanks a lot to everybody who contributed in one way or another to bring
the beast alive :-)

m


On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Ben Abelshausen
ben.abelshau...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 The osm.be website is online!

 Many many thanks to everyone who has helped, please report things that are
 wrong or things you wish to be changed to me or this list for a discussion.
 The website belongs to all of us.

 If anyone wants to blog about their projects/mapping activities please let
 me know as well.

 http://osm.be/

 There are also two blog posts left in dutch, they can also be translated
 if required. I would do this myself but I'm still ashamed to say that
 google translate would to better job than me...

 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,

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[OSM-talk-be] osm.be!

[Gilbert Hersschens]

@ Ben: er staat nog een tikfoutje op het Hergebruiken tabblad: Cloudemade
moet Cloudmade zijn.

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[OSM-talk-be] osm.be!

[Gilbert Hersschens]

Nog eentje: onderaan de blog pagina staat Originele blogpost of
okfn.be(Engels):
Dat moet natuurlijk Originele blogpost van okfn.be (Engels): zijn.
Overigens zou het leuk zijn als OpenStreetmap BE ook in het lijstje van
 werkgroepen zou staan op  de webstek van OFKN (http://okfn.be/about/)

Gilbert
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[OSM-talk-be] osm.be (almost) online

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

I would really like to put the osm.be website online this week. This has
been going on for 5 months now, maybe it's time to finish this! :-)

There are just a few blocks left to translate and the two initial blog
posts.

If there are no responses I will disable the maintenance mode and put the
website online on wednesday.

If anyone has an idea about more news to publish let me know. Maybe some of
the things that have been discussed during the hangout on friday?

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be (almost) online

[Marc Gemis]

Looking forward to see your (and others) hard work coming to life

About the discussion on Friday's hangout:

- it was pretty technical :-)
- I did some example survey mapping
- Jo demonstrated one of his great scripts to check cycle/walking networks
- Marc V demonstrated his nice quality control website on walking/cycling
networks in Belgium and Holland.

regards

m


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Ben Abelshausen
ben.abelshau...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I would really like to put the osm.be website online this week. This has
 been going on for 5 months now, maybe it's time to finish this! :-)

 There are just a few blocks left to translate and the two initial blog
 posts.

 If there are no responses I will disable the maintenance mode and put the
 website online on wednesday.

 If anyone has an idea about more news to publish let me know. Maybe some
 of the things that have been discussed during the hangout on friday?

 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Ben Abelshausen]

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Marc Ducobu marc.duc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can help you for the French translation.


Nice!

I created an account for you, should be in your inbox waiting.

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[OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hello,

We have been working on the osm.be website. We have been adding content and
most of the work has been done by Jorieke V on this.

I setup a test-account for previewing the website. It is still offline
until after some form of approval from this list and some translations.

go here:
http://osm.be/user/login
and login with:
user:
osm
pass:
osm

Now you should be able to access everything. We really need some
translation help. All content can be translated.

If you want to help with this reply to this email with a username of your
choice and I will given you access to help. I will also create a backup of
what is there already this has been a couple of days work already adding
the content alone.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Gerard Vanderveken]

Looking good!

The language selector doesn't work when not at home page.
Replace

a href=nlNL/a / a href=frFR/a
with
a href=/nlNL/a / a href=/frFR/a

However additional script may be needed to stay on eg the blog and not 
to be redirected to home.


Regards,
Gerard.

Ben Abelshausen wrote:


Hello,

We have been working on the osm.be http://osm.be website. We have 
been adding content and most of the work has been done by Jorieke V on 
this.


I setup a test-account for previewing the website. It is still offline 
until after some form of approval from this list and some translations.


go here:
http://osm.be/user/login
and login with:
user:
osm
pass:
osm

Now you should be able to access everything. We really need some 
translation help. All content can be translated.


If you want to help with this reply to this email with a username of 
your choice and I will given you access to help. I will also create a 
backup of what is there already this has been a couple of days work 
already adding the content alone.


Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[André Pirard]

  
  
Hi,

Is there presently a computer permanently connected to the Internet,
preferably running Ubuntu, Debian, any Linux even only shell or not
Windows in that order, where experienced OSM members can get an
account and install and run processes.   A common process example is
an OSM map with an overlay that a cron periodically recomputes.
If osm.be were hiring a provider, would it allow that?

Cheers,


  

  André.

  


  


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[Ben Abelshausen]

Exactly that's what i was saying in one of my previous mails:
openstreetmap.fr already use drupal and we might be able to resuse some of
their stuff to announce events and projects. There was also some work on
integrating maps. Drupal can do any of these things, in any
format/layout/style and has multilingual support built-in.

Plus: I know drupal and I'm talking about getting a website up and running
in the next month. Maybe we can start with this and be pragmatic about this
solution and worry about what technology a bit later?

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.bewrote:

 2013/9/11 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com

  I'll agree with Ben, that reusing what other countries are doing is the
 way to proceed (standing on the shoulders of giants :-)  )  Please do not
 try to reinvent the wheel by starting from scratch

 +1

 Why not get inspiration (= copy and reuse) from openstreetmap.fr people
 as we have many contacts with them and they will surely give hint and
 suggestions (and be here during fosdem) ?

 Nicolas


 regards

 m


 On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe that there was a blog post on Coding Error that stackoverflow
 got most traffic via google search. Google is the dominant search engine,
 whether we like it or not. Anyhow, Search Engine Optimization (SEO) is
 something you cannot neglect as a business. But the domain name is not that
 relevant imho.

 Search for rent a room in new york and the top hit is airbnb.com . No
 room, rent nor NY in the name. Content, metatag, links from other
 sites, url of pages etc. all play a role. Google only give hints on what
 their algorithm uses, all the rest are guesses.

 I would also stick the to naming convention used in the other countries
 so openstreetmap.be
 (there are e.g. openstreetmap.nl, openstreetmap.fr, openstreetmap.de )

 Also what technology are they using for their sites ? Their communities
 (especially the German one) are larger and they might develop reusable
 components, that can be used on other sites. And what is the main
 openstreetmap.org using (read it somewhere but forgot it)

 regards

 m



 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.bewrote:

  On 2013-09-10 20:06, Ivo De Broeck wrote:

 Its important (for Google) to have a domain name like
 belgiumopenstreetmap.be ( see
 http://ivoweb.be/wat-heb-je-nodig/domeinnaam-kiezen ); All other
 related url's can be redirected to that site (like osm.be and many
 others)


 Which will make you compete with yourself as the same files get indexed
 for every domain for all search engines if not done properly ...I'm
 still wondering why you claim google find that important.  Sorry for being
 critical , but I would rather see such claims backed up by sane arguments.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Teddy]

Hey,

I use now Joomla to develop my websites.
For me, Drupal is for professional developpers and big websites, Joomla is
more easy.

SPIP could be also a good solution !

With the package of www.icdisoft.com, there is a free Web Buider.
I propose this option to my customers.
Free, easy to use but limited, but only for static contents.

Bye.
__Teddy__



2013/9/10 Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be


 Dear Mr Huys,

 According to DNS.be, you own osm.be that does not seem to be used.

 The members of the belgian OpenStreetMap (http://osm.org) community are
 wondering if you would agree to transfer it to us to use it as a local
 edition of OSM, much like http://openstreetmap.fr.

 Much thanks in advance for your attention.

 Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Glenn Plas]

Comments inline:

On 2013-09-11 05:44, Marc Gemis wrote:
I believe that there was a blog post on Coding Error that 
stackoverflow got most traffic via google search. Google is the 
dominant search engine, whether we like it or not. Anyhow, Search 
Engine Optimization (SEO) is something you cannot neglect as a 
business. But the domain name is not that relevant imho.


I'm pretty much on top of that subject professionally, try to follow me 
on this:  when you have the same pages on different domains, your 
domains will compete with eachother as they are exactly the same, if you 
don't redirect correctly.  Hence why I mention to do this the right way 
as I see it too many times that people buy every domain they can think 
of.   Next to that google will crawl every domain seperately as it has 
no idea it's the same, so your traffic will grow exponentially.   On a 
static site, that is usually not an issue, but once you go 
drupal/wordpress/joomla/etc...  your server will get hits.   I've had 
this happen to huge customers (agenda.nieuwsblad.be for example).  The 
servers that do this where dying just because crawlers had a free pass, 
everyone came by, Russian, Chinese , Google , Bing, fake google bots, 
bots not respecting your robots.txt, etc etc ... this accounted for more 
than 60% of the traffic,  those numbers went into the terrabytes 
monthly.  So by just limiting and holding google's hand instead of 
buying new servers as the customer planned, this platform is now doing 
almost nothing and analytics do not suffer.



Here is a site explaining this in more detail: 
http://www.k2seo.com/competing-with-yourself/




Search for rent a room in new york and the top hit is airbnb.com 
http://airbnb.com . No room, rent nor NY in the name. Content, 
metatag, links from other sites, url of pages etc. all play a role. 
Google only give hints on what their algorithm uses, all the rest are 
guesses.
I fail to see the point of the statement in this context.   My point was 
sending a warning to pay attention to multiple sites serving the exact 
same content (alias domains).




I would also stick the to naming convention used in the other 
countries so openstreetmap.be http://openstreetmap.be
(there are e.g. openstreetmap.nl http://openstreetmap.nl, 
openstreetmap.fr http://openstreetmap.fr, openstreetmap.de 
http://openstreetmap.de )


Also what technology are they using for their sites ? Their 
communities (especially the German one) are larger and they might 
develop reusable components, that can be used on other sites. And what 
is the main openstreetmap.org http://openstreetmap.org using (read 
it somewhere but forgot it)


openstreetmaps.org uses Ruby on Rails, the code is available here : 
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website


Glenn

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[Ben Abelshausen]

Good idea!

I would be prepared to join in Brussels or Leuven if that's more
convenient! I can join thursday next week...

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.bewrote:

 2013/9/11 Jo winfi...@gmail.com

 The underlying technology is of less importance for the people who will
 add content later on. Those interfaces are very similar.

 true


 The decision what it will be, should depend on who is going to set up the
 server (and on technical possibilities, of course).

 +1


 My vote goes to: use what openstreetmap.fr are using.

 +1


 Plus: I know drupal and I'm talking about getting a website up and
 running in the next month. Maybe we can start with this and be pragmatic
 about this solution and worry about what technology a bit later?


 yes. Thanks Ben.

 I propose a meeting to get some people together and discuss the case for 2
 hours before going to eat together. Leuven (where Jo is), Gent (where Ben
 is) or Brussels (where Emerzh, BenoitL, Pierre P and myself are) would be
 convenient locations for me.

 What about a Thursday at 18 or 19 in the coming weeks ?

 Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[André Pirard]

On 2013-09-11 07:24, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote :
 Why not get inspiration (= copy and reuse) from openstreetmap.fr
 http://openstreetmap.fr people as we have many contacts with them
 and they will surely give hint and suggestions (and be here during
 fosdem) ?
I see now what you mean with a site.
I thought that you wanted to write urgent pages like containing the
specifications for traffic zones and speed limits because there is none
and we don't know how to map them.
Regarding this kind of non showy content, pure HTML is simpler than wiki
code and much more sharable (a simple HTML page can be put in an email,
not openstreetmap.fr, you need not use the same program to share content).

Cheers,

André.




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On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM, André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.comwrote:

 I thought that you wanted to write urgent pages like containing the
 specifications for traffic zones and speed limits because there is none and
 we don't know how to map them.


this is implemented in the BENELUX-preset for Belgium. You can always
reverse engineer them to write the documentation :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[André Pirard]

On 2013-09-11 05:44, Marc Gemis wrote :
 Search for rent a room in new york and the top hit is airbnb.com
 http://airbnb.com . No room, rent nor NY in the name. Content,
 metatag, links from other sites, url of pages etc. all play a role.
 Google only give hints on what their algorithm uses, all the rest are
 guesses.
I always skip the first few Google hits because they are most often ads
for sites that pay to be first.  Those are worse answers to a query than
the following ones.   According to what I saw, Google even passes the
query content to some remotely related but high pay sites which build up
pages supposed to exactly match your request.  When you're in the site,
you repeat the same search and you find nothing.  But while searching,
they tried to change your mind about your interest.
No, the domain name is nothing more that another word at best.
Speaking of guesses, I guess that the best attractor is simply invisible
text.

Cheers,

André.


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[André Pirard]

  
  
On 2013-09-11 17:53, Ivo De Broeck
  wrote :


  Hmm I only can say, that I have build a small
website about "Kinderyoga Re-born in Duffel". 


When I ask google "Kinderyoga Duffel", this are the
  results:

  - first payed advertises (gray)
  then Gouden gids
  then the site Re-born



But you don't have to follow the rules of google
  ;-). 

  


Google profiles you and, in the first hits, you receive pages
supposed to meet your interests.
It's possible to become Google anonymous (to change your Google ID)
but it's so long to explain and to do and it lasts so shortly before
they relate the new ID to the former one that it has now become in
vain. Eavesdropping is illegal but every single move Google does is
towards that.  Their captcha system (1)?  Just a way to know you
have visited the site.
And consumer defense seems to be blind.

When I was at work, I devised a
  translation table between ISO8859-1 (latin-1) (on the network)
and the Macintosh character set (in Mac OS). I wanted Apple to
participate but they alleged the San Francisco earthquake not to do
it. It was a Macintosh "resource" file containing my name.  It was
first used in Steve Dorner's Eudora (e-mail) and, via each and every
Macintosh Internet software, it made its way towards Netscape 3
(yes, my name in it, you may sit down ;-)).
Good old days.

One day, I happened to make some simple query like "Pirard
Macintosh" and I was surprised to find a Mac developer page
regarding character sets and advertising my translation resource. 
Then I had the stupid idea to repeat the same query after replacing
Macintosh or Apple with Microsoft and, oops, popped up ... a porn
page !!!
That's one of the reasons why I'm using Ubuntu/Debian/Linux ;-)
Google dared not profile people by those days.  They started in the
News partially, then more and more, and as nobody complained they
did it in Google search too, and on and on.  Wonder why the Web
query is sent to Google first when you click a search result and
look at that query and see if you understand the information that
leaves your system.

Cheers,


  

  André.

  


(1) Google's captcha shows two words: the captcha itself and another
word using us as Optical Recognition machines.  I recommend not
decoding the second word but translating it to French.  If we do all
the same joke, they will end up with a funny OCR result.

  


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[Glenn Plas]

On 2013-09-11 17:53, Ivo De Broeck wrote:
Hmm I only can say, that I have build a small website about 
Kinderyoga Re-born in Duffel.


When I ask google Kinderyoga Duffel, this are the results:

- first payed advertises (gray)
then Gouden gids
then the site Re-born

your results don't need to match mine,  and that is because you are 
living in a search bubble (we probably all do), unless you anonymise 
your browser, you WILL be a victim of this technique.  That is the 
reason when you tell someone verbally : The 3rd result in google is the 
link I mean and that persons says: That's a different link here and 
then everyone is confused.


So keep this in mind when trying to get points across, SEO is one side 
of the search services.  The other side is user profiling, data mining 
and highly focused marketing.


In your example the 'in' word is also ignored btw.

If you want to get out of the bubble: http://dontbubble.us/

Glenn



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Marc Gemis]

On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Ivo De Broeck ivo.debro...@gmail.comwrote:

 Kinderyoga Duffel



dat is al behoorlijk specifiek. Het zou knapper zijn moest je ook bovenaan
staan met gewoon Kinderyoga.  De enige betrouwbare bron op het gebied van
SEO voor google is Matt Cutts. De reden: hij leidt een van de teams bij
google. Als je hem als bron vermeldt wil ik het geloven :)

Back to English:

Whenever we want to to SEO for the openstreetmap Belgium site, we have to
think for which search queries we want to attract people. When they search
for OpenStreetMap Belgie/Belgique/Belgien/Belgium, it will be more or
less normal to arrive at our site.

But when one wants to attract new mappers, they might be looking for
something totally different. (e.g. a free map for a garmin device, as I did
2.5 years ago).

But as Matt Cutts once said: focus on good content first !

I assume the first version will look a lot like the French one. Which
specific content do we want to start with ? Who will be the editors ?
Translators ? 

regards

m
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Ivo De Broeck]

Hmm I only can say, that I have build a small website about Kinderyoga
Re-born in Duffel.

When I ask google Kinderyoga Duffel, this are the results:

- first payed advertises (gray)
then Gouden gids
then the site Re-born

But you don't have to follow the rules of google ;-).


2013/9/11 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com

  On 2013-09-11 05:44, Marc Gemis wrote :

  Search for rent a room in new york and the top hit is airbnb.com . No
 room, rent nor NY in the name. Content, metatag, links from other
 sites, url of pages etc. all play a role. Google only give hints on what
 their algorithm uses, all the rest are guesses.

 I always skip the first few Google hits because they are most often ads
 for sites that pay to be first.  Those are worse answers to a query than
 the following ones.   According to what I saw, Google even passes the query
 content to some remotely related but high pay sites which build up pages
 supposed to exactly match your request.  When you're in the site, you
 repeat the same search and you find nothing.  But while searching, they
 tried to change your mind about your interest.
 No, the domain name is nothing more that another word at best.
 Speaking of guesses, I guess that the best attractor is simply invisible
 text.

 Cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Julien Fastré]

Le 10/09/13 16:27, Glenn Plas a écrit :

 While all the suggestions are nice, I think we're mostly looking for
 a company to sponsor OSM (eg. giving the hosting for free).

 I'm willing to do that with my company, a 'powered by' is good enough
 for me as this gives me exposure in something I can live with.  but I
 would like to see more details on what is going to be served so I know
 what machine to throw at it so I can decide.
Hi guys,

I am also currently founding a Company which will use OSM data.

Champs Libres SCRLFS (cooperative with social purpose) will also be
happy to give some space on webservers.

If it is not for the website, we may sponsor osm-be later or for
something else :-)

Julien

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[OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

Dear Mr Huys,

According to DNS.be, you own osm.be that does not seem to be used.

The members of the belgian OpenStreetMap (http://osm.org) community are
wondering if you would agree to transfer it to us to use it as a local
edition of OSM, much like http://openstreetmap.fr.

Much thanks in advance for your attention.

Best regards,

Nicolas Pettiaux

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Dennis Bollyn]

Nicolas,

It should be noted that, while osm.be isn't in the hands of the OSM
community, openstreetmap.be is. It currently redirects to openstreetmap.org,
but I don't think the owner would be against setting up an actual website
if the infrastructure is provided.

Best regards,

Dennis aka Gyrbo


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.bewrote:


 Dear Mr Huys,

 According to DNS.be, you own osm.be that does not seem to be used.

 The members of the belgian OpenStreetMap (http://osm.org) community are
 wondering if you would agree to transfer it to us to use it as a local
 edition of OSM, much like http://openstreetmap.fr.

 Much thanks in advance for your attention.

 Best regards,

 Nicolas Pettiaux

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

Thanks. Could you contact him to ask ?

I propose to start considering to setup a Belgian OSM site in Dutch,
French, English and German if we have enough people to translate in German.

Would Drupal be appropriate to setup such a multilingual site ? Do anyone
of us know Drupal (or any other easy and well know tool that would do the
job) or mediawiki ?

What would be the hardware we need ? (CPUs, RAM, hard disk)

Regards

Nicolas


2013/9/10 Dennis Bollyn den...@gyrbo.be

 Nicolas,

 It should be noted that, while osm.be isn't in the hands of the OSM
 community, openstreetmap.be is. It currently redirects to
 openstreetmap.org, but I don't think the owner would be against setting
 up an actual website if the infrastructure is provided.

 Best regards,

 Dennis aka Gyrbo


 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.bewrote:


 Dear Mr Huys,

 According to DNS.be, you own osm.be that does not seem to be used.

 The members of the belgian OpenStreetMap (http://osm.org) community are
 wondering if you would agree to transfer it to us to use it as a local
 edition of OSM, much like http://openstreetmap.fr.

 Much thanks in advance for your attention.

 Best regards,

 Nicolas Pettiaux

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Ben Schalley]

I have some experience with Joomla (http://www.joomla.org). It can be 
extended to accommodate multilingual websites (http://www.joomfish.net). 
There are lost of extensions for Joomla.


Instead of hardware, why not use the services of a hosting company. I 
use Lunarpages (http://www.lunarpages.com), which is affordable with 
many options and has excellent support when needed.


Best Regards,
Ben



Op 10/09/2013 14:08, Nicolas Pettiaux schreef:

Thanks. Could you contact him to ask ?

I propose to start considering to setup a Belgian OSM site in Dutch, 
French, English and German if we have enough people to translate in 
German.


Would Drupal be appropriate to setup such a multilingual site ? Do 
anyone of us know Drupal (or any other easy and well know tool that 
would do the job) or mediawiki ?


What would be the hardware we need ? (CPUs, RAM, hard disk)

Regards

Nicolas


2013/9/10 Dennis Bollyn den...@gyrbo.be mailto:den...@gyrbo.be

Nicolas,

It should be noted that, while osm.be http://osm.be isn't in
the hands of the OSM community, openstreetmap.be
http://openstreetmap.be is. It currently redirects to
openstreetmap.org http://openstreetmap.org, but I don't think
the owner would be against setting up an actual website if the
infrastructure is provided.

Best regards,

Dennis aka Gyrbo


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux
nico...@pettiaux.be mailto:nico...@pettiaux.be wrote:


Dear Mr Huys,

According to DNS.be, you own osm.be http://osm.be that does
not seem to be used.

The members of the belgian OpenStreetMap (http://osm.org)
community are wondering if you would agree to transfer it to
us to use it as a local edition of OSM, much like
http://openstreetmap.fr.

Much thanks in advance for your attention.

Best regards,

Nicolas Pettiaux

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Glenn Plas]

On 2013-09-10 14:08, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:

Thanks. Could you contact him to ask ?

I propose to start considering to setup a Belgian OSM site in Dutch, 
French, English and German if we have enough people to translate in 
German.


Would Drupal be appropriate to setup such a multilingual site ? Do 
anyone of us know Drupal (or any other easy and well know tool that 
would do the job) or mediawiki ?


What would be the hardware we need ? (CPUs, RAM, hard disk)


It would totaly depend on what you mean by Belgian OSM site.

I would personally not use drupal for such a site but use a framework 
(staying in the PHP realm here) like Laravel4 or Symphony2.But that 
also depends on what I have in mind for such a site.   I do think Drupal 
and wordpress is overkill, I use wordpress for my personal blog just 
because I'm a developper , so by definition I'm lazy and don't want to 
spend too much time. Drupal/Wordpress and the like are pretty much OK 
for a blog oriented site.


You could run this from a 20$ per month linode (see 
https://www.linode.com/ ).  In fact, using nginx as a webserver, mariaDB 
instead of mysqlDB and spending a good chunk of time tuning it, you can 
run several sites easily.  I have like 10 of them on it and also a piwik 
instance (~= opensource version of what google analytics does).  So 
another 10 sites use it to store visitor data in in (just like analytics 
do it).   I do have some caching going on , good practise anyway as most 
of the files are just staticly served but come from


If your goal is to start building up database, do tileserving or create 
nominatim DB's, the specs go up a lot.  Then you would arrive in the 
price for a cloud server range of a co-located server, cloud servers 
aren't suited either for heavy indexing,  a solution for that would be 
to use a something like a EBS device (elastic block store - see 
http://aws.amazon.com/ebs ) and is expensive.


On the other hand, if you want a true 'beast' of a server, I would 
recommend (of course) linux + the Revodrive 3 x2 (personally I would get 
2 of those and stripe them over the PCI bus) see 
http://tweakers.net/serie/1908/revodrive-x2/


That drive has insane specs compaired to regular SATA SSD's.  Check out 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2pgsql/benchmarks  there is one 
that has numbers from a revodrive from the past, and you'll see why I 
would use that one.   The performance is huge compaired to the price range.


I would also not pay too much attention to CPU's.  Most of them will be 
able to server thousands of sites in the webserver scenario. Given the 
huge datasets in the latter case, I would totally spend all my money on 
RAM, the more the better as it speeds up postgreSQL and indexing 
exponentially.


So, question back:  What are you planning to do with the site ?

Glenn
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Glenn Plas]

While all the suggestions are nice, I think we're mostly looking for a 
company to sponsor OSM (eg. giving the hosting for free).


I'm willing to do that with my company, a 'powered by' is good enough 
for me as this gives me exposure in something I can live with.  but I 
would like to see more details on what is going to be served so I know 
what machine to throw at it so I can decide.


Glenn


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Dennis Bollyn]

While all the suggestions are nice, I think we're mostly looking for a
company to sponsor OSM (eg. giving the hosting for free).

I don't personally know the owner of openstreetmap.be, I only recalled a
conversations from the mailing list where it was stated that the owner was
OSM friendly). Since I am unable to be very involved in the creation of
this new website, I would prefer if someone else served as the point of
contact. Contact details can easily be found via WHOIS/dns.be.

Best regards,

Dennis


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Teddy e...@swing.be wrote:

 Hello everybody,

 Personally I use www.icdsoft.com to store my websites since more than 10
 year.
 For 72$/year (48$/year if renewal) in economic !
 It depends the volumes of storage and transfert (the business formule :
 10$/m and 8$/m if renewal).

 There are new servers in Bulgaria for 4.6€/m but I don't yet use it (the
 support service is the same).
 http://www.icdsoft.com/hosting/shared/bulgaria

 Economic and very competent support. They answer questions in a few minutes,
 24/24h 7/7d !
 I am very very satisfied with the service and support !!!

 King regards.
  *__Eddy__*




 2013/9/10 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be

  On 2013-09-10 14:08, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:

   Thanks. Could you contact him to ask ?

  I propose to start considering to setup a Belgian OSM site in Dutch,
 French, English and German if we have enough people to translate in German.

  Would Drupal be appropriate to setup such a multilingual site ? Do
 anyone of us know Drupal (or any other easy and well know tool that would
 do the job) or mediawiki ?

  What would be the hardware we need ? (CPUs, RAM, hard disk)


 It would totaly depend on what you mean by Belgian OSM site.

 I would personally not use drupal for such a site but use a framework
 (staying in the PHP realm here) like Laravel4 or Symphony2.But that
 also depends on what I have in mind for such a site.   I do think Drupal
 and wordpress is overkill, I use wordpress for my personal blog just
 because I'm a developper , so by definition I'm lazy and don't want to
 spend too much time.  Drupal/Wordpress and the like are pretty much OK for
 a blog oriented site.

 You could run this from a 20$ per month linode (see
 https://www.linode.com/ ).  In fact, using nginx as a webserver, mariaDB
 instead of mysqlDB and spending a good chunk of time tuning it, you can run
 several sites easily.  I have like 10 of them on it and also a piwik
 instance (~= opensource version of what google analytics does).  So another
 10 sites use it to store visitor data in in (just like analytics do it).
 I do have some caching going on , good practise anyway as most of the files
 are just staticly served but come from

 If your goal is to start building up database, do tileserving or create
 nominatim DB's, the specs go up a lot.  Then you would arrive in the price
 for a cloud server range of a co-located server, cloud servers aren't
 suited either for heavy indexing,  a solution for that would be to use a
 something like a EBS device (elastic block store - see
 http://aws.amazon.com/ebs ) and is expensive.

 On the other hand, if you want a true 'beast' of a server, I would
 recommend (of course) linux + the Revodrive 3 x2 (personally I would get 2
 of those and stripe them over the PCI bus) see
 http://tweakers.net/serie/1908/revodrive-x2/

 That drive has insane specs compaired to regular SATA SSD's.  Check out
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2pgsql/benchmarks  there is one
 that has numbers from a revodrive from the past, and you'll see why I would
 use that one.   The performance is huge compaired to the price range.

 I would also not pay too much attention to CPU's.  Most of them will be
 able to server thousands of sites in the webserver scenario.   Given the
 huge datasets in the latter case, I would totally spend all my money on
 RAM, the more the better as it speeds up postgreSQL and indexing
 exponentially.

 So, question back:  What are you planning to do with the site ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Teddy]

Hello everybody,

Personally I use www.icdsoft.com to store my websites since more than 10
year.
For 72$/year (48$/year if renewal) in economic !
It depends the volumes of storage and transfert (the business formule :
10$/m and 8$/m if renewal).

There are new servers in Bulgaria for 4.6€/m but I don't yet use it (the
support service is the same).
http://www.icdsoft.com/hosting/shared/bulgaria

Economic and very competent support. They answer questions in a few minutes,
24/24h 7/7d !
I am very very satisfied with the service and support !!!

King regards.
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2013/9/10 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be

  On 2013-09-10 14:08, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:

   Thanks. Could you contact him to ask ?

  I propose to start considering to setup a Belgian OSM site in Dutch,
 French, English and German if we have enough people to translate in German.

  Would Drupal be appropriate to setup such a multilingual site ? Do anyone
 of us know Drupal (or any other easy and well know tool that would do the
 job) or mediawiki ?

  What would be the hardware we need ? (CPUs, RAM, hard disk)


 It would totaly depend on what you mean by Belgian OSM site.

 I would personally not use drupal for such a site but use a framework
 (staying in the PHP realm here) like Laravel4 or Symphony2.But that
 also depends on what I have in mind for such a site.   I do think Drupal
 and wordpress is overkill, I use wordpress for my personal blog just
 because I'm a developper , so by definition I'm lazy and don't want to
 spend too much time.  Drupal/Wordpress and the like are pretty much OK for
 a blog oriented site.

 You could run this from a 20$ per month linode (see
 https://www.linode.com/ ).  In fact, using nginx as a webserver, mariaDB
 instead of mysqlDB and spending a good chunk of time tuning it, you can run
 several sites easily.  I have like 10 of them on it and also a piwik
 instance (~= opensource version of what google analytics does).  So another
 10 sites use it to store visitor data in in (just like analytics do it).
 I do have some caching going on , good practise anyway as most of the files
 are just staticly served but come from

 If your goal is to start building up database, do tileserving or create
 nominatim DB's, the specs go up a lot.  Then you would arrive in the price
 for a cloud server range of a co-located server, cloud servers aren't
 suited either for heavy indexing,  a solution for that would be to use a
 something like a EBS device (elastic block store - see
 http://aws.amazon.com/ebs ) and is expensive.

 On the other hand, if you want a true 'beast' of a server, I would
 recommend (of course) linux + the Revodrive 3 x2 (personally I would get 2
 of those and stripe them over the PCI bus) see
 http://tweakers.net/serie/1908/revodrive-x2/

 That drive has insane specs compaired to regular SATA SSD's.  Check out
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2pgsql/benchmarks  there is one
 that has numbers from a revodrive from the past, and you'll see why I would
 use that one.   The performance is huge compaired to the price range.

 I would also not pay too much attention to CPU's.  Most of them will be
 able to server thousands of sites in the webserver scenario.   Given the
 huge datasets in the latter case, I would totally spend all my money on
 RAM, the more the better as it speeds up postgreSQL and indexing
 exponentially.

 So, question back:  What are you planning to do with the site ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Ivo De Broeck]

I suggest we choose Joomla to make this site. We have a lot of free
extensions for that system and the most important, we can have a lot of
super users who can work on the site (and publishers and so on).

Free hosting, I think the most important is to have a Joomla-friendly
webhoster ( take please a look at ivoweb.be ), My total costs are 23,60
euro for a whole year ;-).

Multilangual : there are a lot of extensions in joomla for that

I can make the website you want.

ivodeb and ivoweb are the same persons ;-)


2013/9/10 Dennis Bollyn den...@gyrbo.be

 While all the suggestions are nice, I think we're mostly looking for a
 company to sponsor OSM (eg. giving the hosting for free).

 I don't personally know the owner of openstreetmap.be, I only recalled a
 conversations from the mailing list where it was stated that the owner was
 OSM friendly). Since I am unable to be very involved in the creation of
 this new website, I would prefer if someone else served as the point of
 contact. Contact details can easily be found via WHOIS/dns.be.

 Best regards,

 Dennis


 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Teddy e...@swing.be wrote:

 Hello everybody,

 Personally I use www.icdsoft.com to store my websites since more than 10
 year.
 For 72$/year (48$/year if renewal) in economic !
 It depends the volumes of storage and transfert (the business formule :
 10$/m and 8$/m if renewal).

 There are new servers in Bulgaria for 4.6€/m but I don't yet use it (the
 support service is the same).
 http://www.icdsoft.com/hosting/shared/bulgaria

  Economic and very competent support. They answer questions in a few minutes,
 24/24h 7/7d !
 I am very very satisfied with the service and support !!!

 King regards.
  *__Eddy__*




 2013/9/10 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be

  On 2013-09-10 14:08, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:

   Thanks. Could you contact him to ask ?

  I propose to start considering to setup a Belgian OSM site in Dutch,
 French, English and German if we have enough people to translate in German.

  Would Drupal be appropriate to setup such a multilingual site ? Do
 anyone of us know Drupal (or any other easy and well know tool that would
 do the job) or mediawiki ?

  What would be the hardware we need ? (CPUs, RAM, hard disk)


 It would totaly depend on what you mean by Belgian OSM site.

 I would personally not use drupal for such a site but use a framework
 (staying in the PHP realm here) like Laravel4 or Symphony2.But that
 also depends on what I have in mind for such a site.   I do think Drupal
 and wordpress is overkill, I use wordpress for my personal blog just
 because I'm a developper , so by definition I'm lazy and don't want to
 spend too much time.  Drupal/Wordpress and the like are pretty much OK for
 a blog oriented site.

 You could run this from a 20$ per month linode (see
 https://www.linode.com/ ).  In fact, using nginx as a webserver,
 mariaDB instead of mysqlDB and spending a good chunk of time tuning it, you
 can run several sites easily.  I have like 10 of them on it and also a
 piwik instance (~= opensource version of what google analytics does).  So
 another 10 sites use it to store visitor data in in (just like analytics do
 it).   I do have some caching going on , good practise anyway as most of
 the files are just staticly served but come from

 If your goal is to start building up database, do tileserving or create
 nominatim DB's, the specs go up a lot.  Then you would arrive in the price
 for a cloud server range of a co-located server, cloud servers aren't
 suited either for heavy indexing,  a solution for that would be to use a
 something like a EBS device (elastic block store - see
 http://aws.amazon.com/ebs ) and is expensive.

 On the other hand, if you want a true 'beast' of a server, I would
 recommend (of course) linux + the Revodrive 3 x2 (personally I would get 2
 of those and stripe them over the PCI bus) see
 http://tweakers.net/serie/1908/revodrive-x2/

 That drive has insane specs compaired to regular SATA SSD's.  Check out
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm2pgsql/benchmarks  there is one
 that has numbers from a revodrive from the past, and you'll see why I would
 use that one.   The performance is huge compaired to the price range.

 I would also not pay too much attention to CPU's.  Most of them will be
 able to server thousands of sites in the webserver scenario.   Given the
 huge datasets in the latter case, I would totally spend all my money on
 RAM, the more the better as it speeds up postgreSQL and indexing
 exponentially.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Glenn Plas]

On 2013-09-10 20:06, Ivo De Broeck wrote:
Its important (for Google) to have a domain name like 
belgiumopenstreetmap.be http://belgiumopenstreetmap.be ( see 
http://ivoweb.be/wat-heb-je-nodig/domeinnaam-kiezen ); All other 
related url's can be redirected to that site (like osm.be 
http://osm.be and many others)




Which will make you compete with yourself as the same files get indexed 
for every domain for all search engines if not done properly ...I'm 
still wondering why you claim google find that important.  Sorry for 
being critical , but I would rather see such claims backed up by sane 
arguments.


Glenn
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Ivo De Broeck]

Its important (for Google) to have a domain name like
belgiumopenstreetmap.be ( see
http://ivoweb.be/wat-heb-je-nodig/domeinnaam-kiezen ); All other related
url's can be redirected to that site (like osm.be and many others)


2013/9/10 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com

  Hi,

 Why not be.openstreetmap.org + be.osm.org and generalize this to other
 countries?
 Even as alias if other names already exist, that would be a no cost, no
 hassle, no search consistent solution.
 Quite possible, because their current sub-domains are only:
 osm.org.259200INNSa.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 osm.org.259200INNSb.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 osm.org.259200INNSc.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 geo.osm.org.259200INNSa.ns.osm.org.
 geo.osm.org.259200INNSb.ns.osm.org.
 geo.osm.org.259200INNSc.ns.osm.org.
 geo.osm.org.259200INNSd.ns.osm.org.
 openstreetmap.org.259200INNSa.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 openstreetmap.org.259200INNSb.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 openstreetmap.org.259200INNSc.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSa.ns.openstreetmap.org.
 geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSb.ns.openstreetmap.org.
 geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSc.ns.openstreetmap.org.
 geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSd.ns.openstreetmap.org.

 I suppose it's a just ask matter.

 Why not ask free hosting at a Geographic faculty of one University?
 People in Liège are very kind. I worked at ULg and I may try to introduce
 osm.be if needed.

 I'm perfectly happy with a byethost.com http://www.byethost.com/ server.
 Especially, even with my *free** account*, I can access my server's files
 as if they were local (in my local filesystem).
 (That's using gvfs-ftp)
 For 4 (250B/m) to 7 (unlimited) $/m, their technical specs are impressive
 Any local site building software is OK.  Please choose Win-Debian Linux-OS
 X software if you share an account.

 The only two problems I ever met were:
 - they closed my site a few times for bogus reasons; the real one is that
 they were trying to have me pay.
 - I was receiving a bad reputation mark from 
 WOThttp://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/papou.byethost7.com.
 Those guys are out of their mind: look carefully and you'll see that they
 attribute me the reputation of another site, that Good site: Other users
 consider this site trustworthy, and it has a good reputation based on user
 ratings and that, in consequence, my Trustworthiness is Unsatisfactory.
 But I moved to another 
 hostnamehttp://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/byethost9.com
 and the problem was gone (same provider, just a matter of chance, isn't WOT
 mad?).
 Note: that if a site is not accessed (at all) for two months (very
 difficult to do but I managed ;-), you only have two days after a warning
 to refresh it.  But, again, I suspect it's a manœuvre to have you pay to
 get your data back if you don't.

 Cheers,,

   André.




 On 2013-09-10 14:33, Ben Schalley wrote :

 I have some experience with Joomla (http://www.joomla.org). It can be
 extended to accommodate multilingual websites (http://www.joomfish.net).
 There are lost of extensions for Joomla.

 Instead of hardware, why not use the services of a hosting company. I use
 Lunarpages (http://www.lunarpages.com), which is affordable with many
 options and has excellent support when needed.

 Best Regards,
 Ben



 Op 10/09/2013 14:08, Nicolas Pettiaux schreef:

   Thanks. Could you contact him to ask ?

  I propose to start considering to setup a Belgian OSM site in Dutch,
 French, English and German if we have enough people to translate in German.

  Would Drupal be appropriate to setup such a multilingual site ? Do anyone
 of us know Drupal (or any other easy and well know tool that would do the
 job) or mediawiki ?

  What would be the hardware we need ? (CPUs, RAM, hard disk)

  Regards

  Nicolas


 2013/9/10 Dennis Bollyn den...@gyrbo.be

   Nicolas,

  It should be noted that, while osm.be isn't in the hands of the OSM
 community, openstreetmap.be is. It currently redirects to
 openstreetmap.org, but I don't think the owner would be against setting
 up an actual website if the infrastructure is provided.

  Best regards,

  Dennis aka Gyrbo


  On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux 
 nico...@pettiaux.bewrote:


 Dear Mr Huys,

 According to DNS.be, you own osm.be that does not seem to be used.

 The members of the belgian OpenStreetMap (http://osm.org) community are
 wondering if you would agree to transfer it to us to use it as a local
 edition of OSM, much like http://openstreetmap.fr.

  Much thanks in advance for your attention.

  Best regards,

  Nicolas Pettiaux

 --
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 http://rmll.info - http://lepacte.be
 EuroSciPy 2013 co-chair http://www.euroscipy.org/

  

Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

Waw, much thanks to all your contributions.

The content would be, for me, similar to what openstreemap.fr offer,
adapted to be specifically Belgian and multilingual.

For the solution, any solution (Jekyll - http://jekyllrb.com/ or  Drupal,
Joomla ... you name it) that is easy to learn and master, and well know by
at least some people who volunteer is good.

Best regards,

Nicolas


2013/9/10 André Pirard a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com

  Hi,

 Why not be.openstreetmap.org + be.osm.org and generalize this to other
 countries?
 Even as alias if other names already exist, that would be a no cost, no
 hassle, no search consistent solution.
 Quite possible, because their current sub-domains are only:
 osm.org.259200INNSa.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 osm.org.259200INNSb.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 osm.org.259200INNSc.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 geo.osm.org.259200INNSa.ns.osm.org.
 geo.osm.org.259200INNSb.ns.osm.org.
 geo.osm.org.259200INNSc.ns.osm.org.
 geo.osm.org.259200INNSd.ns.osm.org.
 openstreetmap.org.259200INNSa.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 openstreetmap.org.259200INNSb.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 openstreetmap.org.259200INNSc.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
 geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSa.ns.openstreetmap.org.
 geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSb.ns.openstreetmap.org.
 geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSc.ns.openstreetmap.org.
 geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSd.ns.openstreetmap.org.

 I suppose it's a just ask matter.

 Why not ask free hosting at a Geographic faculty of one University?
 People in Liège are very kind. I worked at ULg and I may try to introduce
 osm.be if needed.

 I'm perfectly happy with a byethost.com http://www.byethost.com/ server.
 Especially, even with my *free** account*, I can access my server's files
 as if they were local (in my local filesystem).
 (That's using gvfs-ftp)
 For 4 (250B/m) to 7 (unlimited) $/m, their technical specs are impressive
 Any local site building software is OK.  Please choose Win-Debian Linux-OS
 X software if you share an account.

 The only two problems I ever met were:
 - they closed my site a few times for bogus reasons; the real one is that
 they were trying to have me pay.
 - I was receiving a bad reputation mark from 
 WOThttp://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/papou.byethost7.com.
 Those guys are out of their mind: look carefully and you'll see that they
 attribute me the reputation of another site, that Good site: Other users
 consider this site trustworthy, and it has a good reputation based on user
 ratings and that, in consequence, my Trustworthiness is Unsatisfactory.
 But I moved to another 
 hostnamehttp://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/byethost9.com
 and the problem was gone (same provider, just a matter of chance, isn't WOT
 mad?).
 Note: that if a site is not accessed (at all) for two months (very
 difficult to do but I managed ;-), you only have two days after a warning
 to refresh it.  But, again, I suspect it's a manœuvre to have you pay to
 get your data back if you don't.

 Cheers,,

   André.




 On 2013-09-10 14:33, Ben Schalley wrote :

 I have some experience with Joomla (http://www.joomla.org). It can be
 extended to accommodate multilingual websites (http://www.joomfish.net).
 There are lost of extensions for Joomla.

 Instead of hardware, why not use the services of a hosting company. I use
 Lunarpages (http://www.lunarpages.com), which is affordable with many
 options and has excellent support when needed.

 Best Regards,
 Ben



 Op 10/09/2013 14:08, Nicolas Pettiaux schreef:

   Thanks. Could you contact him to ask ?

  I propose to start considering to setup a Belgian OSM site in Dutch,
 French, English and German if we have enough people to translate in German.

  Would Drupal be appropriate to setup such a multilingual site ? Do anyone
 of us know Drupal (or any other easy and well know tool that would do the
 job) or mediawiki ?

  What would be the hardware we need ? (CPUs, RAM, hard disk)

  Regards

  Nicolas


 2013/9/10 Dennis Bollyn den...@gyrbo.be

   Nicolas,

  It should be noted that, while osm.be isn't in the hands of the OSM
 community, openstreetmap.be is. It currently redirects to
 openstreetmap.org, but I don't think the owner would be against setting
 up an actual website if the infrastructure is provided.

  Best regards,

  Dennis aka Gyrbo


  On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux 
 nico...@pettiaux.bewrote:


 Dear Mr Huys,

 According to DNS.be, you own osm.be that does not seem to be used.

 The members of the belgian OpenStreetMap (http://osm.org) community are
 wondering if you would agree to transfer it to us to use it as a local
 edition of OSM, much like http://openstreetmap.fr.

  Much thanks in advance for your attention.

  Best regards,

  Nicolas Pettiaux

 --
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

I suggested drupal because it works fine for the fr community and it's
simple to setup quickly. We could start with this and the search for
sponsoring? Getting hosting is no problem at all i think everybody has some
provider here.

It can also be managed by non-web-developers something i think is important
to get more volunteers adding content...?

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

  On 2013-09-10 20:06, Ivo De Broeck wrote:

 Its important (for Google) to have a domain name like
 belgiumopenstreetmap.be ( see
 http://ivoweb.be/wat-heb-je-nodig/domeinnaam-kiezen ); All other related
 url's can be redirected to that site (like osm.be and many others)


 Which will make you compete with yourself as the same files get indexed
 for every domain for all search engines if not done properly ...I'm
 still wondering why you claim google find that important.  Sorry for being
 critical , but I would rather see such claims backed up by sane arguments.

 Glenn

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 Talk-be@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Ivo De Broeck]

Ben i know the 2 systems. For a blog Drupal is the best, but if you want
more choose for Joomla (you can add a blog/forum or whatever you like).


2013/9/10 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com

 Hi,

 I suggested drupal because it works fine for the fr community and it's
 simple to setup quickly. We could start with this and the search for
 sponsoring? Getting hosting is no problem at all i think everybody has some
 provider here.

 It can also be managed by non-web-developers something i think is
 important to get more volunteers adding content...?

 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,

 Ben Abelshausen

 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

  On 2013-09-10 20:06, Ivo De Broeck wrote:

 Its important (for Google) to have a domain name like
 belgiumopenstreetmap.be ( see
 http://ivoweb.be/wat-heb-je-nodig/domeinnaam-kiezen ); All other related
 url's can be redirected to that site (like osm.be and many others)


 Which will make you compete with yourself as the same files get indexed
 for every domain for all search engines if not done properly ...I'm
 still wondering why you claim google find that important.  Sorry for being
 critical , but I would rather see such claims backed up by sane arguments.

 Glenn

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[André Pirard]

On 2013-09-10 22:32, Ben Abelshausen wrote :
 Hi,

 I suggested drupal because it works fine for the fr community and it's
 simple to setup quickly. We could start with this and the search for
 sponsoring? Getting hosting is no problem at all i think everybody has
 some provider here.

 It can also be managed by non-web-developers something i think is
 important to get more volunteers adding content...?
With a link on fr community we would be able to look at what you talk
about.
I certainly would not like to use a site builder making things like this
http://www.combell.com/en/hosting/sitebuilder/examples.
I don't like buzzing, showy pages but information like this
http://www.papou.byethost9.com/maps/  or a little prettier like this
http://www.papou.byethost9.com/environment/ or even prettier but I
didn't mind making them.
I like composing plain HTML that I master instead of generating tons of
code that I don't understand.
And, as you can see, I have absolutely no multilingual problem, even
Chinese, if you pardon Google errors.
I do it with Kompozer http://www.kompozer.net/ which is WYSIWYG but
allows to do small (or larger) changes directly to HTML.
Kompozer is much like using Libre office writer simply with the ability
to open the bonnet.
And many programs can export pretty HTML, but often ugly (too
complicated) inside.
No complicated site management, the server's files appear to be local.
Al that is free.
Anyway, a site builder that allows to include HTML pages is OK.
But $160 is the price of 2 smartphones that can be used as GPS and for
tracing ;-)

Cheers,

André.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[André Pirard]

Hi,

Why not be.openstreetmap.org + be.osm.org and generalize this to other
countries?
Even as alias if other names already exist, that would be a no cost, no
hassle, no search consistent solution.
Quite possible, because their current sub-domains are only:
osm.org.259200INNSa.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
osm.org.259200INNSb.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
osm.org.259200INNSc.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
geo.osm.org.259200INNSa.ns.osm.org.
geo.osm.org.259200INNSb.ns.osm.org.
geo.osm.org.259200INNSc.ns.osm.org.
geo.osm.org.259200INNSd.ns.osm.org.
openstreetmap.org.259200INNSa.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
openstreetmap.org.259200INNSb.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
openstreetmap.org.259200INNSc.ns.bytemark.co.uk.
geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSa.ns.openstreetmap.org.
geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSb.ns.openstreetmap.org.
geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSc.ns.openstreetmap.org.
geo.openstreetmap.org.259200INNSd.ns.openstreetmap.org.

I suppose it's a just ask matter.

Why not ask free hosting at a Geographic faculty of one University?
People in Liège are very kind. I worked at ULg and I may try to
introduce osm.be if needed.

I'm perfectly happy with a byethost.com http://www.byethost.com/ server.
Especially, even with my *free**account*, I can access my server's files
as if they were local (in my local filesystem).
(That's using gvfs-ftp)
For 4 (250B/m) to 7 (unlimited) $/m, their technical specs are impressive
Any local site building software is OK.  Please choose Win-Debian
Linux-OS X software if you share an account.

The only two problems I ever met were:
- they closed my site a few times for bogus reasons; the real one is
that they were trying to have me pay.
- I was receiving a bad reputation mark from WOT
http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/papou.byethost7.com. Those guys are
out of their mind: look carefully and you'll see that they attribute me
the reputation of another site, that Good site: Other users consider
this site trustworthy, and it has a good reputation based on user
ratings and that, in consequence, my Trustworthiness is Unsatisfactory.
But I moved to another hostname
http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/byethost9.com  and the problem was
gone (same provider, just a matter of chance, isn't WOT mad?).
Note: that if a site is not accessed (at all) for two months (very
difficult to do but I managed ;-), you only have two days after a
warning to refresh it.  But, again, I suspect it's a manœuvre to have
you pay to get your data back if you don't.

Cheers,,

André.






On 2013-09-10 14:33, Ben Schalley wrote :
 I have some experience with Joomla (http://www.joomla.org). It can be
 extended to accommodate multilingual websites
 (http://www.joomfish.net). There are lost of extensions for Joomla.

 Instead of hardware, why not use the services of a hosting company. I
 use Lunarpages (http://www.lunarpages.com), which is affordable with
 many options and has excellent support when needed.

 Best Regards,
 Ben



 Op 10/09/2013 14:08, Nicolas Pettiaux schreef:
 Thanks. Could you contact him to ask ?

 I propose to start considering to setup a Belgian OSM site in Dutch,
 French, English and German if we have enough people to translate in
 German.

 Would Drupal be appropriate to setup such a multilingual site ? Do
 anyone of us know Drupal (or any other easy and well know tool that
 would do the job) or mediawiki ?

 What would be the hardware we need ? (CPUs, RAM, hard disk)

 Regards

 Nicolas


 2013/9/10 Dennis Bollyn den...@gyrbo.be mailto:den...@gyrbo.be

 Nicolas,

 It should be noted that, while osm.be http://osm.be isn't in
 the hands of the OSM community, openstreetmap.be
 http://openstreetmap.be is. It currently redirects to
 openstreetmap.org http://openstreetmap.org, but I don't think
 the owner would be against setting up an actual website if the
 infrastructure is provided.

 Best regards,

 Dennis aka Gyrbo


 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux
 nico...@pettiaux.be mailto:nico...@pettiaux.be wrote:


 Dear Mr Huys,

 According to DNS.be, you own osm.be http://osm.be that does
 not seem to be used.

 The members of the belgian OpenStreetMap (http://osm.org)
 community are wondering if you would agree to transfer it to
 us to use it as a local edition of OSM, much like
 http://openstreetmap.fr.

 Much thanks in advance for your attention.

 Best regards,

 Nicolas Pettiaux

 -- 
 Nicolas Pettiaux - +32 496 24 55 01
 tel:%2B32%20496%2024%2055%2001 - http://rmll.info -
 http://lepacte.be
 EuroSciPy 2013 co-chair http://www.euroscipy.org/

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Marc Gemis]

I believe that there was a blog post on Coding Error that stackoverflow got
most traffic via google search. Google is the dominant search engine,
whether we like it or not. Anyhow, Search Engine Optimization (SEO) is
something you cannot neglect as a business. But the domain name is not that
relevant imho.

Search for rent a room in new york and the top hit is airbnb.com . No
room, rent nor NY in the name. Content, metatag, links from other
sites, url of pages etc. all play a role. Google only give hints on what
their algorithm uses, all the rest are guesses.

I would also stick the to naming convention used in the other countries so
openstreetmap.be
(there are e.g. openstreetmap.nl, openstreetmap.fr, openstreetmap.de )

Also what technology are they using for their sites ? Their communities
(especially the German one) are larger and they might develop reusable
components, that can be used on other sites. And what is the main
openstreetmap.org using (read it somewhere but forgot it)

regards

m



On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

  On 2013-09-10 20:06, Ivo De Broeck wrote:

 Its important (for Google) to have a domain name like
 belgiumopenstreetmap.be ( see
 http://ivoweb.be/wat-heb-je-nodig/domeinnaam-kiezen ); All other related
 url's can be redirected to that site (like osm.be and many others)


 Which will make you compete with yourself as the same files get indexed
 for every domain for all search engines if not done properly ...I'm
 still wondering why you claim google find that important.  Sorry for being
 critical , but I would rather see such claims backed up by sane arguments.

 Glenn

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 Talk-be@openstreetmap.org
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Marc Gemis]

Drupal only for a blogs ? That must be a joke. Colleagues of mine developed
Drupal websites for a shop, a dog school, karate club etc. in their spare
time.

look around at
http://www.flashmint.com/wp/2012/08/20-best-drupal-sites-of-2012/ (or one
of the many other sites listing interesting drupal sites)

But as usual, their is no silver bullet and everyone will propose/defend
the tool they are most familiar with. I'll agree with Ben, that reusing
what other countries are doing is the way to proceed (standing on the
shoulders of giants :-)  )  Please do not try to reinvent the wheel by
starting from scratch

regards

m


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe that there was a blog post on Coding Error that stackoverflow
 got most traffic via google search. Google is the dominant search engine,
 whether we like it or not. Anyhow, Search Engine Optimization (SEO) is
 something you cannot neglect as a business. But the domain name is not that
 relevant imho.

 Search for rent a room in new york and the top hit is airbnb.com . No
 room, rent nor NY in the name. Content, metatag, links from other
 sites, url of pages etc. all play a role. Google only give hints on what
 their algorithm uses, all the rest are guesses.

 I would also stick the to naming convention used in the other countries so
 openstreetmap.be
 (there are e.g. openstreetmap.nl, openstreetmap.fr, openstreetmap.de )

 Also what technology are they using for their sites ? Their communities
 (especially the German one) are larger and they might develop reusable
 components, that can be used on other sites. And what is the main
 openstreetmap.org using (read it somewhere but forgot it)

 regards

 m



 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

  On 2013-09-10 20:06, Ivo De Broeck wrote:

 Its important (for Google) to have a domain name like
 belgiumopenstreetmap.be ( see
 http://ivoweb.be/wat-heb-je-nodig/domeinnaam-kiezen ); All other related
 url's can be redirected to that site (like osm.be and many others)


 Which will make you compete with yourself as the same files get indexed
 for every domain for all search engines if not done properly ...I'm
 still wondering why you claim google find that important.  Sorry for being
 critical , but I would rather see such claims backed up by sane arguments.

 Glenn

 ___
 Talk-be mailing list
 Talk-be@openstreetmap.org
 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

2013/9/11 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com

  I'll agree with Ben, that reusing what other countries are doing is the
 way to proceed (standing on the shoulders of giants :-)  )  Please do not
 try to reinvent the wheel by starting from scratch

 +1

Why not get inspiration (= copy and reuse) from openstreetmap.fr people as
we have many contacts with them and they will surely give hint and
suggestions (and be here during fosdem) ?

Nicolas


 regards

 m


 On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 I believe that there was a blog post on Coding Error that stackoverflow
 got most traffic via google search. Google is the dominant search engine,
 whether we like it or not. Anyhow, Search Engine Optimization (SEO) is
 something you cannot neglect as a business. But the domain name is not that
 relevant imho.

 Search for rent a room in new york and the top hit is airbnb.com . No
 room, rent nor NY in the name. Content, metatag, links from other
 sites, url of pages etc. all play a role. Google only give hints on what
 their algorithm uses, all the rest are guesses.

 I would also stick the to naming convention used in the other countries
 so openstreetmap.be
 (there are e.g. openstreetmap.nl, openstreetmap.fr, openstreetmap.de )

 Also what technology are they using for their sites ? Their communities
 (especially the German one) are larger and they might develop reusable
 components, that can be used on other sites. And what is the main
 openstreetmap.org using (read it somewhere but forgot it)

 regards

 m



 On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.bewrote:

  On 2013-09-10 20:06, Ivo De Broeck wrote:

 Its important (for Google) to have a domain name like
 belgiumopenstreetmap.be ( see
 http://ivoweb.be/wat-heb-je-nodig/domeinnaam-kiezen ); All other
 related url's can be redirected to that site (like osm.be and many
 others)


 Which will make you compete with yourself as the same files get indexed
 for every domain for all search engines if not done properly ...I'm
 still wondering why you claim google find that important.  Sorry for being
 critical , but I would rather see such claims backed up by sane arguments.

 Glenn

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