Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

Le Mar 17 mars 2015 12:55, Glenn Plas a écrit :
> I must say, I really like Asana ...  I'm not feeling the urge to setup a
> Trac instance.  This tool might be perfect for the job.
>

OK let's start with ASANA

Regards,

Nicolas


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Glenn Plas]

Tryton has no front-end that I know off, their focus is desktop client
last time I evaluated.  open-erp I have it somewhere...  I have mixed
feelings about it and concern about the code as well.  They sure like
the global scope... I didn't audit in depth.

If tryton has a decent API, with a webinterface that would be progress.
 As always, try it.  (or try to get it installed/working 1 time).

I dont like the fact that openerp (odoo) their multicompanyview with the
view at the time that made it impossible to have a parent/child relation
for a holding company.  So you could not assign 1 user to 2 different
companies that are a child of the same parent, because you can't inherit
from sisters/brothers.

That limited our use severely.

Glenn


On 17-03-15 23:55, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> Le mardi 17 mars 2015 à 10:11 +0100, Julien Fastré a écrit :
>> Jo: Odoo is an ERP: do you think we have the need for accoutancy,
>> products management,  ??
>>
>> We run Odoo at Champs Libres and the problem is their model is quite
>> closed. Of course, the code is open source, but they regularly decide
>> that their software need an "upgrade", and the upgrade cost a lot of
>> money (around 1k€)...
> 
> this is what I think and also the reason why the gnuhealth project
> dropped openerp/odoo in favor of tryton.
> 
>> Not affordable for us: we are considering to migrate to tryton
>> (http://www.tryton.org/)
> 
> I know personnally the people behind tryton (A small team of 3 from
> Liège). Very nice people, with a larger international team and a
> foundation. They do free software the proper way. By the way, 2 of them
> have worked for openerp ... and have left before forking the code. 
> 
> Have a good night,
> 
> Nicolas
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

Le mardi 17 mars 2015 à 10:11 +0100, Julien Fastré a écrit :
> Jo: Odoo is an ERP: do you think we have the need for accoutancy,
> products management,  ??
> 
> We run Odoo at Champs Libres and the problem is their model is quite
> closed. Of course, the code is open source, but they regularly decide
> that their software need an "upgrade", and the upgrade cost a lot of
> money (around 1k€)...

this is what I think and also the reason why the gnuhealth project
dropped openerp/odoo in favor of tryton.

> Not affordable for us: we are considering to migrate to tryton
> (http://www.tryton.org/)

I know personnally the people behind tryton (A small team of 3 from
Liège). Very nice people, with a larger international team and a
foundation. They do free software the proper way. By the way, 2 of them
have worked for openerp ... and have left before forking the code. 

Have a good night,

Nicolas


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

I took the liberty of setting up something on asana. The first project
there is 'Find a open alternative for asana' with all the steps I think are
needed. Let's try and make this happen!

But at least we can get started now already with all the other TODO's... :-)

Send me a message if you want an invite. Or I can just send one to talk-be
but that may be called spam.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Glenn Plas]

I must say, I really like Asana ...  I'm not feeling the urge to setup a
Trac instance.  This tool might be perfect for the job.

Drupal is a bit like Wordpress on the spam front, even with decent
CAPTCHA's I get spam on Wordpress

You could choose a hosted solution to get rid of the work you need to do
to keep Drupal updated (or WP for that matter).


Glenn


On 17-03-15 12:37, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I also think a tool like this could improve the way we do thinks but as
> the person personally funding the website and some other small things
> for OSM-BE I am not in favour of setting up another tool while there are
> some great tools available at no cost online.
> 
> If somebody can answer these two questions I would also go for any
> free-software plan in a hearbeat:
> 
> - Funding/sponsoring for hosting.
> - Person or persons mainting/updating/installing and configuring.
> 
> I'm even considering getting rid of drupal at this point and going
> another way because I spend a lot of time on it because it needs updates
> twice a week and I have better things to do. Not to mention the spam and
> security concerns I have to deal with.
> 
> I also agree with Marc Verwerft that we need to define better what we
> want from a tool like this.
> 
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
> 
> Ben Abelshausen
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

I also think a tool like this could improve the way we do thinks but as the
person personally funding the website and some other small things for
OSM-BE I am not in favour of setting up another tool while there are some
great tools available at no cost online.

If somebody can answer these two questions I would also go for any
free-software plan in a hearbeat:

- Funding/sponsoring for hosting.
- Person or persons mainting/updating/installing and configuring.

I'm even considering getting rid of drupal at this point and going another
way because I spend a lot of time on it because it needs updates twice a
week and I have better things to do. Not to mention the spam and security
concerns I have to deal with.

I also agree with Marc Verwerft that we need to define better what we want
from a tool like this.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Marc Verwerft]

My 2 cents ...

The subject title says 'project follow up'.

The most important question is probably: why do you need it? Tell the list
what you're trying to achieve and how a project tool could help. What can
be defined as project here? And which aspects of that project do you want
to track?

For example: could these threads be seen as projects?
- Simpele button in josm

- Adressen via AGIV


Or do you talk about other 'projects'? If so, a short example would be nice.

Do you want to know:
- who's working on it
- who's responsible
- how long will it take
- is there money/material needed to complete the task? If yes, how will you
follow it up?
- what's the urgency/priority/risk
- any dependencies?
- whether it can be split up in different subprojects, etc.

And *who* will do the follow up of all this tasks?

As long as you don't agree on these, then it's probably futile to discuss
which tool is the better/easier/free-er/cheaper/... one.

First agree on the purpose, then on the means.

Regards,

Marc Verwerft

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Julien Fastré  wrote:

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> Jo: Odoo is an ERP: do you think we have the need for accoutancy,
> products management,  ??
>
> We run Odoo at Champs Libres and the problem is their model is quite
> closed. Of course, the code is open source, but they regularly decide
> that their software need an "upgrade", and the upgrade cost a lot of
> money (around 1k€)...
>
> Not affordable for us: we are considering to migrate to tryton
> (http://www.tryton.org/)
>
> Julien
>
> Le 17/03/15 10:00, Jo a écrit :
> > If you want to do it with free software all the way, consider
> > Odoo...
> >
> > We can even test it, they provide it as a free cloud service. Of
> > course, you'll have somebody breathing down your neck to upgrade
> > your account...
> >
> > It is possible to install it on your own server and with greenodoo
> > it's not even hard to do. But then we'll have the problem of
> > needing a dedicated server for it, just like for trac. It needs
> > Python and a PostgreSQL database.
> >
> > Jo
> >
> >
> >
> > 2015-03-17 9:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux  > >:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for
> > something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather
> > NOT use it.
> >
> > Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it
> > is difficult to install/maintain/use.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

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Jo: Odoo is an ERP: do you think we have the need for accoutancy,
products management,  ??

We run Odoo at Champs Libres and the problem is their model is quite
closed. Of course, the code is open source, but they regularly decide
that their software need an "upgrade", and the upgrade cost a lot of
money (around 1k€)...

Not affordable for us: we are considering to migrate to tryton
(http://www.tryton.org/)

Julien

Le 17/03/15 10:00, Jo a écrit :
> If you want to do it with free software all the way, consider
> Odoo...
> 
> We can even test it, they provide it as a free cloud service. Of
> course, you'll have somebody breathing down your neck to upgrade
> your account...
> 
> It is possible to install it on your own server and with greenodoo
> it's not even hard to do. But then we'll have the problem of
> needing a dedicated server for it, just like for trac. It needs
> Python and a PostgreSQL database.
> 
> Jo
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-03-17 9:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux  >:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for 
> something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather 
> NOT use it.
> 
> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it
> is difficult to install/maintain/use.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nicolas
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Marc Gemis]

since we already have a Drupal server running, why don't we look for
something that integrates with that ?

https://www.drupal.org/project/pm  is something I just found.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Jo  wrote:

> If you want to do it with free software all the way, consider Odoo...
>
> We can even test it, they provide it as a free cloud service. Of course,
> you'll have somebody breathing down your neck to upgrade your account...
>
> It is possible to install it on your own server and with greenodoo it's
> not even hard to do. But then we'll have the problem of needing a dedicated
> server for it, just like for trac. It needs Python and a PostgreSQL
> database.
>
> Jo
>
>
>
> 2015-03-17 9:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux :
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for something we
>> could do ourselves with free software, I would rather NOT use it.
>>
>> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it is
>> difficult to install/maintain/use.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nicolas
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Glenn Plas]

Amazon has a free tier plan , you can launch a ec2 instance for free ,
it will not be cpu/io intensive.

http://aws.amazon.com/

On 17-03-15 10:00, Jo wrote:
> If you want to do it with free software all the way, consider Odoo...
> 
> We can even test it, they provide it as a free cloud service. Of course,
> you'll have somebody breathing down your neck to upgrade your account...
> 
> It is possible to install it on your own server and with greenodoo it's
> not even hard to do. But then we'll have the problem of needing a
> dedicated server for it, just like for trac. It needs Python and a
> PostgreSQL database.
> 
> Jo
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-03-17 9:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux  >:
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for
> something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather
> NOT use it.
> 
> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it is
> difficult to install/maintain/use.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nicolas
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Jo]

If you want to do it with free software all the way, consider Odoo...

We can even test it, they provide it as a free cloud service. Of course,
you'll have somebody breathing down your neck to upgrade your account...

It is possible to install it on your own server and with greenodoo it's not
even hard to do. But then we'll have the problem of needing a dedicated
server for it, just like for trac. It needs Python and a PostgreSQL
database.

Jo



2015-03-17 9:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux :

> Dear all,
>
> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for something we
> could do ourselves with free software, I would rather NOT use it.
>
> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it is
> difficult to install/maintain/use.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nicolas
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

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Some alternatives :
http://alternativeto.net/software/trello/?license=opensource

I like loomio (https://www.loomio.org/) : very simple for beginners.
But the goal of loomio is to help group take decision, not to follow
up project - I am not sure this is what we are looking for, but it
worth mentioning it :-)

Julien

Le 17/03/15 09:33, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
> Dear all,
> 
> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for
> something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather
> NOT use it.
> 
> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it
> is difficult to install/maintain/use.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nicolas
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Glenn Plas]

Trello is costless, the problem with do-it-yourself is that it takes
precious time away from the core goals.   I used to be a fan of doing
everything myself until I saw the light.  The tool might be 'free', most
people's time is not free.  Spare time is an expensive commodity.

So you need to balance the pro's and con's of a prefab vs. DIY solution

On 17-03-15 09:33, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for something
> we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather NOT use it.
> 
> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it is
> difficult to install/maintain/use.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nicolas
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Le 17/03/15 09:33, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
> Dear all,
> 
> Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for
> something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather
> NOT use it.
> 
> Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it
> is difficult to install/maintain/use.

+1

Julien
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[OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Nicolas Pettiaux]

Dear all,

Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for something 
we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather NOT use it.


Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it is 
difficult to install/maintain/use.


Thanks,

Nicolas
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