Re: [OSM-talk-be] questions on Bxl osmose issues

[Marc Gemis]

Hallo Marc,

Don't know that much about busses, I assume others (Jo ?) will reply to this.
But you could ask (as a changeset comment) why they changed the names
so they do no longer comply with the Belgian "rules".
This is often the best way to understand a certain change. They other
just have to guess the intent of the mapper that actually made the
change.


On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Bessières, Marc
 wrote:
> ) I wanted to create the name:fr and name:nl for Quai aux Briques -
> Baksteenkaai
>
> And I noticed there were 3 errors in Osmose because there are 3 different
> ways with exactly the same tags and connected to each other.
>
> Is it normal? Or should they be merged together?
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/30272973
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/12818280
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/30272972
>
>

As for streets represented by different ways, there might be good
reasons to have separate ways:
- different characteristics : surface, maxspeed, ...
- only a part of the street is part of a route (bus, cycle, hiking, etc.)

I don't see differences in this particular case, but I might have
overlooked one. But in general, you do not need to take the time to
remerge a street that is split in several ways.

regards

m.

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[OSM-talk-be] questions on Bxl osmose issues

[Bessières , Marc]

Hello, 

I've started looking at Osmose issues in my neighbourhood 

I started with the errors about missing name:nl and name:fr as I can go
and check easily. 

I'd like to have some feedback on the data in OSM. 

1)  2 Bus stops: 

If I read correctly
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Bus_stops


The name shall be equivalent to name:nl - name:fr (or name:fr -
name:nl), and when I look at the history, it used to be like that. 

But a massive changeset called "automated correction of bus stop names
and operator (with DeLijn info 17/11/13)" changed it, and now this
doesn't match. 

Shall I make them match or there is a reason to keep their name like
that? 

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/error/7977061299 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/502959018 

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/error/7977061300 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/502959019 

2) one bus relation, I checked several STIB/MIVB relations and each time
the name starts with STIB/MIVB line number and then name:fr - name:nl 

but I find nothing in the wiki explaining it
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Bus_and_tram_lines


Did I miss the piece of information about the reason why the naming is
different than usual? 

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/error/7977066814 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6236544 [1] 

3) I wanted to create the name:fr and name:nl for Quai aux Briques -
Baksteenkaai 

And I noticed there were 3 errors in Osmose because there are 3
different ways with exactly the same tags and connected to each other. 

Is it normal? Or should they be merged together? 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/30272973 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/12818280 

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/30272972 

I realize now that this is quite a big mail, I hope it is ok to send
several questions in one go. 

Cheers, 

Marc

  

Links:
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[1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6236544/history
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