Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
Em 18-09-2014 19:28, Gerald Weber escreveu: On 18 September 2014 18:49, Roger C. Soares rogersoa...@gmail.com wrote: +1 - I would change those streets to residential. I would not do that without asking the original mapper or without having visited the location. There might be a reason for it. Having many streets mapped as living_street seems a bit odd, but who knows, perhaps it is that really way? Remember: this is a collaborative project. Please respect what others have done, especially if you haven't been to the location. I think a city this type should never have all the streets as living_street, it is too different from the standard classification that it should have a note to justify the choice, and not done with changesets without comments or source, that's why I didn't bother too much in it being changed. But I do agree that it is always best to contact the original author and check. On another topic, some time ago we had a discussion about not mapping the urban area of the city as landuse=residential. I actually deleted a couple, especially in the state of São Paulo. Don't know if people want to revisit that. Just to let you know Andreas, as in the future me or someone else could delete those areas.. I agree not to map all urban areas as simply landuse=residential, especially because not all urban areas are residential, some are industrial and so on. I would prefer leaving landuse=residential for special uses. But again: I don't think we should delete landuse=residential whenever we find it (I certainly do not) because it is not wrong either and there might be some legitimate reason for its existence which we may not be aware of. Again: this is a collaborative project, please ask first before deleting something. The only exception to that rule, of course, is if it is an obvious error, say a landuse=residential where satellite images show only water. Most of the areas I removed and didn't contact the author were in cities that were not mapped or being mapped. At the time, I read that it was a pattern to trace the area until the city streets were mapped, and then remove the area. I may have done something wrong and I apologize for that, I'll be more careful in the future and contact more. Thanks for the alert. cheers Gerald ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br Regards, Roger. ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
Good evening, while mapping in Itanhém (Bahia), I found all streets in the city, except the main state street BA-290, tagged as living_street. Those streets that were missing and I added today, have been tagged as residental by me, resulting in a city with mixed sort of streets now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-17.1650/-40.3357 That's unusual for me and I want to ask, which is the usual way to tag city streets in Brazil? Here in Germany, a living_street means: * right of way for pedestrians, who may walk or play on the entire street * maximum speed 7 km/h * no parking except dedicated signs allow parking Most city streets (90-95%) in Europe are residental rather than living_street. How is it in Brazil? kind regards Andreas signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
I myself know only about 2 examples that can be classified as living_street, that is two residential streets classified as calcadão in the data source. That is a residential street where cars don't have access. In my opinion, if cars have access without any specific signs identifying as such, tag as residential. Aun Johnsen Sent from my iPhone On 18. sep. 2014, at 14.16, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de wrote: Good evening, while mapping in Itanhém (Bahia), I found all streets in the city, except the main state street BA-290, tagged as living_street. Those streets that were missing and I added today, have been tagged as residental by me, resulting in a city with mixed sort of streets now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-17.1650/-40.3357 That's unusual for me and I want to ask, which is the usual way to tag city streets in Brazil? Here in Germany, a living_street means: * right of way for pedestrians, who may walk or play on the entire street * maximum speed 7 km/h * no parking except dedicated signs allow parking Most city streets (90-95%) in Europe are residental rather than living_street. How is it in Brazil? kind regards Andreas ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
Good afternoon, There is no official classification for living_street in Brazil, so we use for narrow streets (less than 6m) where there is no clear separation between pedestrians and car traffic in residential areas, such as streets in favelas (slums). Best Regards, Gabriel On 18 September 2014 14:16, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de wrote: Good evening, while mapping in Itanhém (Bahia), I found all streets in the city, except the main state street BA-290, tagged as living_street. Those streets that were missing and I added today, have been tagged as residental by me, resulting in a city with mixed sort of streets now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-17.1650/-40.3357 That's unusual for me and I want to ask, which is the usual way to tag city streets in Brazil? Here in Germany, a living_street means: * right of way for pedestrians, who may walk or play on the entire street * maximum speed 7 km/h * no parking except dedicated signs allow parking Most city streets (90-95%) in Europe are residental rather than living_street. How is it in Brazil? kind regards Andreas ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
Forgot to include the source, in case you can understand Portuguese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt-br:Key:highway On 18 September 2014 14:26, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote: I myself know only about 2 examples that can be classified as living_street, that is two residential streets classified as calcadão in the data source. That is a residential street where cars don't have access. In my opinion, if cars have access without any specific signs identifying as such, tag as residential. Aun Johnsen Sent from my iPhone On 18. sep. 2014, at 14.16, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de wrote: Good evening, while mapping in Itanhém (Bahia), I found all streets in the city, except the main state street BA-290, tagged as living_street. Those streets that were missing and I added today, have been tagged as residental by me, resulting in a city with mixed sort of streets now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-17.1650/-40.3357 That's unusual for me and I want to ask, which is the usual way to tag city streets in Brazil? Here in Germany, a living_street means: * right of way for pedestrians, who may walk or play on the entire street * maximum speed 7 km/h * no parking except dedicated signs allow parking Most city streets (90-95%) in Europe are residental rather than living_street. How is it in Brazil? kind regards Andreas ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
Actually this is the source that I meant: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt-br:How_to_map_a On 18 September 2014 14:29, Gabriel Teixeira gabrieldiegoteixe...@gmail.com wrote: Forgot to include the source, in case you can understand Portuguese: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pt-br:Key:highway On 18 September 2014 14:26, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote: I myself know only about 2 examples that can be classified as living_street, that is two residential streets classified as calcadão in the data source. That is a residential street where cars don't have access. In my opinion, if cars have access without any specific signs identifying as such, tag as residential. Aun Johnsen Sent from my iPhone On 18. sep. 2014, at 14.16, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de wrote: Good evening, while mapping in Itanhém (Bahia), I found all streets in the city, except the main state street BA-290, tagged as living_street. Those streets that were missing and I added today, have been tagged as residental by me, resulting in a city with mixed sort of streets now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-17.1650/-40.3357 That's unusual for me and I want to ask, which is the usual way to tag city streets in Brazil? Here in Germany, a living_street means: * right of way for pedestrians, who may walk or play on the entire street * maximum speed 7 km/h * no parking except dedicated signs allow parking Most city streets (90-95%) in Europe are residental rather than living_street. How is it in Brazil? kind regards Andreas ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
Hello. (sorry for mixing up local time zones) thanks for all answers. Allright, I understand that this topic is different in Brazil. There are more living_streets than in Germay. Now I've an example: http://abload.de/image.php?img=livingstreet_or_residowp1g.png On the bottom right area of this screenshot, there is Avenida Maria Moreira Lisboa (Itanhém). When copying the scale from Bing's aerial image, I think the street is wider than 6 metres. Do you agree? regards, Andreas Am 18.09.2014 um 19:27 schrieb Gabriel Teixeira: Good afternoon, There is no official classification for living_street in Brazil, so we use for narrow streets (less than 6m) where there is no clear separation between pedestrians and car traffic in residential areas, such as streets in favelas (slums). Best Regards, Gabriel On 18 September 2014 14:16, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de mailto:schmidt-postf...@freenet.de wrote: Good evening, while mapping in Itanhém (Bahia), I found all streets in the city, except the main state street BA-290, tagged as living_street. Those streets that were missing and I added today, have been tagged as residental by me, resulting in a city with mixed sort of streets now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-17.1650/-40.3357 That's unusual for me and I want to ask, which is the usual way to tag city streets in Brazil? Here in Germany, a living_street means: * right of way for pedestrians, who may walk or play on the entire street * maximum speed 7 km/h * no parking except dedicated signs allow parking Most city streets (90-95%) in Europe are residental rather than living_street. How is it in Brazil? kind regards Andreas ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
Perhaps it would be worthwhile asking the original mapper why he has chosen living_street http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/fscfagner as he may have further information not accessible from images cheers Gerald On 18 September 2014 14:16, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de wrote: Good evening, while mapping in Itanhém (Bahia), I found all streets in the city, except the main state street BA-290, tagged as living_street. Those streets that were missing and I added today, have been tagged as residental by me, resulting in a city with mixed sort of streets now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-17.1650/-40.3357 That's unusual for me and I want to ask, which is the usual way to tag city streets in Brazil? Here in Germany, a living_street means: * right of way for pedestrians, who may walk or play on the entire street * maximum speed 7 km/h * no parking except dedicated signs allow parking Most city streets (90-95%) in Europe are residental rather than living_street. How is it in Brazil? kind regards Andreas ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Dr. Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com Personal website https://sites.google.com/site/geraldweberufmg/ ResearchGate Profile https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gerald_Weber2 Departamento de Física/Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais Department of Physics/Federal University of Minas Gerais Campus da Pampulha Av. Antônio Carlos, 6627, 31270-901 Belo Horizonte, MG, Brazil mobile: +55-(0)31-96462277 ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
Hello Andreas (and don't worry about timezones :-), When I have doubts about how to classify roads, I simply try to give a classification that looks to be the best and leave to any future revisor to improve it. IMHO it better to take the time to map cities that have no streets mapped, missing many of them or don't have names on the streets than taking too long time just to classify a road. Regards, Gabriel On 18 September 2014 15:38, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de wrote: Hello. (sorry for mixing up local time zones) thanks for all answers. Allright, I understand that this topic is different in Brazil. There are more living_streets than in Germay. Now I've an example: http://abload.de/image.php?img=livingstreet_or_residowp1g.png On the bottom right area of this screenshot, there is Avenida Maria Moreira Lisboa (Itanhém). When copying the scale from Bing's aerial image, I think the street is wider than 6 metres. Do you agree? regards, Andreas Am 18.09.2014 um 19:27 schrieb Gabriel Teixeira: Good afternoon, There is no official classification for living_street in Brazil, so we use for narrow streets (less than 6m) where there is no clear separation between pedestrians and car traffic in residential areas, such as streets in favelas (slums). Best Regards, Gabriel On 18 September 2014 14:16, Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de wrote: Good evening, while mapping in Itanhém (Bahia), I found all streets in the city, except the main state street BA-290, tagged as living_street. Those streets that were missing and I added today, have been tagged as residental by me, resulting in a city with mixed sort of streets now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-17.1650/-40.3357 That's unusual for me and I want to ask, which is the usual way to tag city streets in Brazil? Here in Germany, a living_street means: * right of way for pedestrians, who may walk or play on the entire street * maximum speed 7 km/h * no parking except dedicated signs allow parking Most city streets (90-95%) in Europe are residental rather than living_street. How is it in Brazil? kind regards Andreas ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing listTalk-br@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
Andreas, Living streets are very rare in Brazil. I think most of those streets you mentioned are guaranteed to deserve highway=residential or a higher classification instead. Indeed some people use highway=living_street with a slightly different meaning in Brazil, but this can be a bit controversial 2014-09-18 14:16 GMT-03:00 Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de: Good evening, while mapping in Itanhém (Bahia), I found all streets in the city, except the main state street BA-290, tagged as living_street. Those streets that were missing and I added today, have been tagged as residental by me, resulting in a city with mixed sort of streets now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-17.1650/-40.3357 That's unusual for me and I want to ask, which is the usual way to tag city streets in Brazil? Here in Germany, a living_street means: * right of way for pedestrians, who may walk or play on the entire street * maximum speed 7 km/h * no parking except dedicated signs allow parking Most city streets (90-95%) in Europe are residental rather than living_street. How is it in Brazil? kind regards Andreas ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
Those are not so rare. This is very common in favelas and in some narrow residential streets. There are a number like that less than 2km from where I'm sitting now. Here are some examples: link1 https://maps.google.com.br/?ll=-28.941791,-49.491917spn=0.003103,0.004823t=mz=18layer=ccbll=-28.94197,-49.492086panoid=YPMcCt1zzy6PcwT7hLkH5wcbp=12,140.61,,0,7.61, link2 https://maps.google.com.br/?ll=-28.943784,-49.490187spn=0.003103,0.004823t=mz=18layer=ccbll=-28.943784,-49.490187panoid=sVS6p7PAp6tJ_jHQT5b94Qcbp=12,135.07,,0,22.32. As it was stated previously the rule is less than 6 meters wide and no clear separation between cars and pedestrians. On 18 September 2014 17:02, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: Andreas, Living streets are very rare in Brazil. I think most of those streets you mentioned are guaranteed to deserve highway=residential or a higher classification instead. Indeed some people use highway=living_street with a slightly different meaning in Brazil, but this can be a bit controversial 2014-09-18 14:16 GMT-03:00 Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de: Good evening, while mapping in Itanhém (Bahia), I found all streets in the city, except the main state street BA-290, tagged as living_street. Those streets that were missing and I added today, have been tagged as residental by me, resulting in a city with mixed sort of streets now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-17.1650/-40.3357 That's unusual for me and I want to ask, which is the usual way to tag city streets in Brazil? Here in Germany, a living_street means: * right of way for pedestrians, who may walk or play on the entire street * maximum speed 7 km/h * no parking except dedicated signs allow parking Most city streets (90-95%) in Europe are residental rather than living_street. How is it in Brazil? kind regards Andreas ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
+1 - I would change those streets to residential. On another topic, some time ago we had a discussion about not mapping the urban area of the city as landuse=residential. I actually deleted a couple, especially in the state of São Paulo. Don't know if people want to revisit that. Just to let you know Andreas, as in the future me or someone else could delete those areas.. Regards, Roger. -- Em 18-09-2014 17:02, John Packer escreveu: Andreas, Living streets are very rare in Brazil. I think most of those streets you mentioned are guaranteed to deserve highway=residential or a higher classification instead. Indeed some people use highway=living_street with a slightly different meaning in Brazil, but this can be a bit controversial 2014-09-18 14:16 GMT-03:00 Andreas Schmidt schmidt-postf...@freenet.de: Good evening, while mapping in Itanhém (Bahia), I found all streets in the city, except the main state street BA-290, tagged as living_street. Those streets that were missing and I added today, have been tagged as residental by me, resulting in a city with mixed sort of streets now: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-17.1650/-40.3357 That's unusual for me and I want to ask, which is the usual way to tag city streets in Brazil? Here in Germany, a living_street means: * right of way for pedestrians, who may walk or play on the entire street * maximum speed 7 km/h * no parking except dedicated signs allow parking Most city streets (90-95%) in Europe are residental rather than living_street. How is it in Brazil? kind regards Andreas ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] highway=living_street or residental in Brazilian cities?
On 18 September 2014 18:49, Roger C. Soares rogersoa...@gmail.com wrote: +1 - I would change those streets to residential. I would not do that without asking the original mapper or without having visited the location. There might be a reason for it. Having many streets mapped as living_street seems a bit odd, but who knows, perhaps it is that really way? Remember: this is a collaborative project. Please respect what others have done, especially if you haven't been to the location. On another topic, some time ago we had a discussion about not mapping the urban area of the city as landuse=residential. I actually deleted a couple, especially in the state of São Paulo. Don't know if people want to revisit that. Just to let you know Andreas, as in the future me or someone else could delete those areas.. I agree not to map all urban areas as simply landuse=residential, especially because not all urban areas are residential, some are industrial and so on. I would prefer leaving landuse=residential for special uses. But again: I don't think we should delete landuse=residential whenever we find it (I certainly do not) because it is not wrong either and there might be some legitimate reason for its existence which we may not be aware of. Again: this is a collaborative project, please ask first before deleting something. The only exception to that rule, of course, is if it is an obvious error, say a landuse=residential where satellite images show only water. cheers Gerald ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
