Re: [Talk-ca] Red Cross and Fort McMurray Fires

2016-05-15 Thread Kunce, Dale
As Dan pointed out lets err on the side of caution here. I’ve reached out to 
AirBus to either gain some clarity on the license or potentially share the 
imagery under a license compatible with OSM.

Thanks everyone.


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From: Dan Joseph >
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2016 at 7:00 PM
To: Denis Carriere >
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Red Cross and Fort McMurray Fires

Hi, that url looks like the one from the gov't of Alberta web viewer. If that's 
the case it pretty clearly states on the welcome page (emphasis mine):
Satellite image source: Pléaides-1A © CNES 2016, Distribution AIRBUS DS, all 
rights reserved. Use of this imagery is subject to the Airbus Defence and Space 
Web License for Non-Commercial Use, January, 2015. Users may view the image; 
must not download, store, copy, transfer or reverse engineer the image in any 
way or use the image to create a database and/or a derivative work; and must 
contact AIRBUS DS to obtain a full license. Base Map Data provided by the 
Government of Alberta under the Alberta Open Government Licence. Cadastral and 
Dispositions Data provided by Alberta Data Partnerships. Other data are 
provided by the ministry of Alberta Environment and Parks (AEP). No base 
feature data can be reproduced or distributed without the prior written 
permission of the Government of Alberta.

Can you please clarify the source of the imagery and the licensing around it?

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Denis Carriere 
> wrote:
If anyone is interested in using this custom imagery in JOSM or iD, here is the 
URL:

https://cdn.albertamapservices.ca/genesis_tokenauth/rest/services/Pleiades_RGB_Ft_McMurray_Fire_50cm/20160506/MapServer/tile/{zoom}/{y}/{x}

You can clearly see the damaged buildings:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CihrvYmU4AALP5N.jpg:large


~~
Denis Carriere
GIS Project Manager
Twitter: @DenisCarriere
OSM: DenisCarriere
GitHub: DenisCarriere
Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Dan Joseph 
> wrote:
Hi James,

What was the source for the traced damage extent estimates? I was 
cross-referencing between the satellite imagery the Alberta government has made 
available for viewing at https://cdn.albertamapservices.ca/FortMcMurray/ and 
the extent polygons up on OSM tagged name="Fort McMurray Fire Damage Estimate" 
and there seemed to be differences. Also, I can't find the source now, but 
remember hearing that no schools were destroyed but am seeing several schools 
in the OSM damage extent polygons.

Thanks and all the best,
Dan

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 5:16 PM, James 
> wrote:
Hello everyone OsmCanada had a meeting tonight and have traced polygons 
estimating the areas damaged and have named them "Fort McMurray Fire Damage 
Estimate". They are tagged as brownfield as the buildings have been destroyed 
or burnt down. The major areas affected are Thickwood, Beacon Hill and Abasand. 
We thought this may help the red cross immensely.

Big thank you to Rps333 for the help.

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Dan Joseph 
> wrote:
Hi John,

Dale is the American Red Cross GIS Team Lead. I'm on his team and have been 
deployed to Canada to work in-person with the Canadian Red Cross. In terms of 
OSM-CA / Red Cross coordination, I can be considered the point of contact on 
the RC side until someone within Canadian Red Cross is ready and willing to 
take it on.

All the best,
Dan

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:44 PM, john whelan 
> wrote:
Have you talked to dale.ku...@redcross.org?

A coordinated approach might be better.  OSM can use data obtained through the 
Gov Canada open data portal and has done in the past as far as I am aware.

Thanks John

On 13 May 2016 at 14:37, Dan Joseph 
> wrote:
Hi James,

It looks like some good progress is being made on the tasks.

Tasks #22 and #23 are focused on mapping different features but it looks like 
#24 overlaps in focus. Perhaps that task should be archived until the other two 
are completed to 

Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray - Canadian volunteer as a point of contact

2016-05-10 Thread Kunce, Dale
Hey everyone,
Quick status update to say that RC has decided to use the official assessments 
from the government and we will not be doing our own.

We are still hoping to do a lot of mapping where needed but a building by 
building ground truth most likely won’t be conducted given the overall lack of 
individual household damage.

I’ll stay on list and will let this list know if the situation changes.

Thanks

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From: James >
Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 at 1:50 PM
To: Kevin Farrugia >
Cc: "bernie.conn...@unb.ca" 
>, 
"talk-ca@openstreetmap.org" 
>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray - Canadian volunteer as a point of contact

Kevin I wasnt sure if it was to trace things in openstreetmap or for something 
else involving geographical data

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Kevin Farrugia 
> wrote:

According to Paul Norman in an earlier email that licence isn't compatible with 
OSM's.

On May 10, 2016 1:47 PM, "James" 
> wrote:
Planet has released FMM satelite imagery as CC-BY-SA
https://www.planet.com/pulse/fort-mcmurray-wildfire/

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Heather Leson 
> wrote:
HI Bernie, someone contacted me off list. I am working to coordinate. Just got 
off the phone with the CanVost liaison to learn more first.

There is satellite imagery but the licenses are not ideal (yet).

CanVOST - Canadian Virtual Operations Support Team.

Heather

Heather Leson
heatherle...@gmail.com
Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson
Blog: textontechs.com

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Bernie Connors 
> wrote:

Is anybody following up on this opportunity to liaise with the emergency 
managers in Fort McMurray? They are looking for an Albertan


Morning from Doha.

As mentioned previously there are emergency managers trying to get imagery.
This is their first time considering digital volunteers. If I can have one
Canadian volunteer as a point of contact I can hand off the discussion.

Note: they would really love it if it was someone from alberta. However, i
think someone who can work on what is needed is also great.

Heather - heatherleson at gmail.com

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Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires

2016-05-09 Thread Kunce, Dale
If we can get good pre-event imagery and do the building by building assessment 
I don’t think we will need post-event imagery but I can be on the lookout for 
it.

Dale
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On 5/9/16, 4:08 PM, "Paul Norman" <penor...@mac.com> wrote:

>On 5/9/2016 12:43 PM, Kunce, Dale wrote:
>> Bernie,
>> I do see that the building footprints are in the esri basemap 
>> unfortunately this doesn’t actually help. The esri basemap data is 
>> just an tiled image and does not provide us with the vector data that 
>> we need to complete our work. I’m happy to take the lead and 
>> coordinate the mapping. The existing Bing imagery is good enough for 
>> our needs for tracing.
>>
>
>Any hope of getting post-event imagery, which will allow us to avoid 
>mapping buildings which no longer exist and shouldn't be in OSM?
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Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires

2016-05-09 Thread Kunce, Dale
Bernie,
I do see that the building footprints are in the esri basemap unfortunately 
this doesn’t actually help. The esri basemap data is just an tiled image and 
does not provide us with the vector data that we need to complete our work. I’m 
happy to take the lead and coordinate the mapping. The existing Bing imagery is 
good enough for our needs for tracing.

Thanks again for your help.

Dale
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From: john whelan >
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 2:58 PM
To: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
>
Cc: Dale Kunce >
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires

Given that the US Red Cross are getting involved and have a need for buildings 
to be mapped so they can use their tool set is there any data sets we might be 
able to get hold of.  I'm thinking of using the Treasury Broad gateway which 
means its licensed for OSM but TB are also working with the provinces and some 
cites on Open Data data sets.

Thanks John

On 6 May 2016 at 20:20, Bernie Connors 
> wrote:
Hello,

  Looking at Esri's world topo basemap in Fort McMurray you can see that 
the building footprints are very complete. It could be a redundant use of our 
resources to obtain pre- fire imagery to digitize buildings. Almost anyone 
could create an app with ArcGIS Online to do Assessment of building damage.

Bernie.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.
From: Kevin Farrugia
Sent: Friday, May 6, 2016 9:00 PM
To: Darren Ewaniuk
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires



There's been at least 20 captures of the area by satellites in the past 3 days, 
but what use are they going to be at this stage of the fire?

Also, what are we going to try to achieve once the fires are done? The roads 
are already there and Canada/Alberta have advanced spatial capabilities and 
detailed data for official purposes, so the work would basically entail 
deleting burned down buildings.

I'm willing to help out, just not clear what the goal with regards to data is 
going to be. :)

On May 6, 2016 7:42 PM, "Darren Ewaniuk" 
> wrote:

Global has some satellite images images after the fire attributed to Google / 
Terra Bella (ex-Skybox).  I believe they have in the past allowed imaging for 
open use before (Skybox For Good program) so may be able to do so here.


http://globalnews.ca/news/2685743/fort-mcmurray-wildfire-resident-in-convoy-through-community-calls-scene-very-apocalyptic/

The slides near the bottom have some aerial imaging of relevance:

14 - Wood Buffalo Estates / Martin Ridge Estates (Thickwood)
15 - Waterways

16 - Waterways (North)

17 - Beacon Hill (North)

18 - Abasands

19 - Aspen Gardens / Hilltop Estates / Downtown



From: Heather Leson >
Sent: May 5, 2016 10:39:31 PM
To: Simon Wood
Cc: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Fort McMurray forest fires


Hello

Let me know if you want me to connect you to the emergency managers in the 
area. I will give them a heads up that you are talking about it

Two of them are big fans of osm so they might help. But i leave this decision 
with you.

Heather

On 6 May 2016 04:59, "Simon Wood" 
> wrote:
On Thu, May 5, 2016 9:28 am, Andrew MacKinnon wrote:
> As you are probably aware by now, a large portion of Fort McMurray,
> Alberta has been destroyed by forest fires.
>
>
> Is any freely licensed aerial imagery of the affected area available
> yet? Will the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap team be creating a project for
> Fort McMurray?

You might get some help from UrtheCast, as a Canadian company they might
be willing to donate access to footage.
https://www.urthecast.com

Not sure that they can provide geo-referenced shots, but any info might be
of use. Their cameras are fixed on ISS, so any orbital software/website
will tell you if/when they have near passes.

They also have a live feed:
https://www.urthecast.com/live

Cheers,
Simon.


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Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires

2016-05-09 Thread Kunce, Dale
Ugh forgot about the Read Only.


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From: James <james2...@gmail.com<mailto:james2...@gmail.com>>
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:24 PM
To: Dale Kunce <dale.ku...@redcross.org<mailto:dale.ku...@redcross.org>>
Cc: John Marshall <rps...@gmail.com<mailto:rps...@gmail.com>>, Talk-CA 
OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires

It would definitely be possible, it's just as I've stated previously nothing 
can be done until OpenStreetMap maintenance has been completed (scheduled until 
tomorrow (GMT))

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Kunce, Dale 
<dale.ku...@redcross.org<mailto:dale.ku...@redcross.org>> wrote:
Don’t worry about the Red Cross coordination for now. I know them and can work 
with them directly them.

Thanks again.


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On 5/9/16, 12:21 PM, "John Marshall" 
<rps...@gmail.com<mailto:rps...@gmail.com>> wrote:

>Dale,
>
>I have ask the CDN Red Cross in Ottawa several times if they would
>like the CDN OSM community to help. Happy to help.
>
>Cheers
>
>John
>
>On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:16 PM, James 
><james2...@gmail.com<mailto:james2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Dale I'm not sure if you've been following this list previously, but
>> there was a initiative started already within osm-canada
>>
>> I've created a HOT project here:
>> http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/22
>>
>> But right now OSM is in read only mode as there is a scheduled maintenance
>>
>> On May 9, 2016 12:12 PM, "Kunce, Dale" 
>> <dale.ku...@redcross.org<mailto:dale.ku...@redcross.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The American Red Cross is potentially sending some teams to do help the
>>> Canadian Canadian Red Cross with damage assessments in Ft. Mcmurtry and
>>> other places affected by the recent fires.
>>>
>>> As part of the assessment we are potentially going to use OpenMapKit to do
>>> a building by building assessment. The OSM data looks pretty good for the
>>> area except that not all buildings are in OSM. The assessment would not
>>> happen for at least a week or two but we are interested in mapping all of
>>> the buildings in the affected area from pre-event imagery. No damage
>>> assessment from satellite imagery will occur.
>>>
>>> I’ve already let HOT know but it would be great to have support of the
>>> OSM-Canada community to help get the work done.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if this is something you would be interested in helping
>>> or leading.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires

2016-05-09 Thread Kunce, Dale
Don’t worry about the Red Cross coordination for now. I know them and can work 
with them directly them.

Thanks again.


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On 5/9/16, 12:21 PM, "John Marshall" <rps...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dale,
>
>I have ask the CDN Red Cross in Ottawa several times if they would
>like the CDN OSM community to help. Happy to help.
>
>Cheers
>
>John
>
>On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 12:16 PM, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Dale I'm not sure if you've been following this list previously, but
>> there was a initiative started already within osm-canada
>>
>> I've created a HOT project here:
>> http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/22
>>
>> But right now OSM is in read only mode as there is a scheduled maintenance
>>
>> On May 9, 2016 12:12 PM, "Kunce, Dale" <dale.ku...@redcross.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> The American Red Cross is potentially sending some teams to do help the
>>> Canadian Canadian Red Cross with damage assessments in Ft. Mcmurtry and
>>> other places affected by the recent fires.
>>>
>>> As part of the assessment we are potentially going to use OpenMapKit to do
>>> a building by building assessment. The OSM data looks pretty good for the
>>> area except that not all buildings are in OSM. The assessment would not
>>> happen for at least a week or two but we are interested in mapping all of
>>> the buildings in the affected area from pre-event imagery. No damage
>>> assessment from satellite imagery will occur.
>>>
>>> I’ve already let HOT know but it would be great to have support of the
>>> OSM-Canada community to help get the work done.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if this is something you would be interested in helping
>>> or leading.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> —
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>>> Services |  American Red Cross
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires

2016-05-09 Thread Kunce, Dale
Quick question would it be possible to add that all buildings should be traced. 
This is crucial for the damage assessment.

Thanks
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From: Dale Kunce <dale.ku...@redcross.org<mailto:dale.ku...@redcross.org>>
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:19 PM
To: James <james2...@gmail.com<mailto:james2...@gmail.com>>
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
<talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires

Fantastic,
I just joined the list today.

Thanks
Dale
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From: James <james2...@gmail.com<mailto:james2...@gmail.com>>
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:16 PM
To: Dale Kunce <dale.ku...@redcross.org<mailto:dale.ku...@redcross.org>>
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
<talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires


Hi Dale I'm not sure if you've been following this list previously, but there 
was a initiative started already within osm-canada

I've created a HOT project here:
http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/22

But right now OSM is in read only mode as there is a scheduled maintenance

On May 9, 2016 12:12 PM, "Kunce, Dale" 
<dale.ku...@redcross.org<mailto:dale.ku...@redcross.org>> wrote:
The American Red Cross is potentially sending some teams to do help the 
Canadian Canadian Red Cross with damage assessments in Ft. Mcmurtry and other 
places affected by the recent fires.

As part of the assessment we are potentially going to use OpenMapKit to do a 
building by building assessment. The OSM data looks pretty good for the area 
except that not all buildings are in OSM. The assessment would not happen for 
at least a week or two but we are interested in mapping all of the buildings in 
the affected area from pre-event imagery. No damage assessment from satellite 
imagery will occur.

I’ve already let HOT know but it would be great to have support of the 
OSM-Canada community to help get the work done.

Please let me know if this is something you would be interested in helping or 
leading.

Dale

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Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires

2016-05-09 Thread Kunce, Dale
Fantastic,
I just joined the list today.

Thanks
Dale
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From: James <james2...@gmail.com<mailto:james2...@gmail.com>>
Date: Monday, May 9, 2016 at 12:16 PM
To: Dale Kunce <dale.ku...@redcross.org<mailto:dale.ku...@redcross.org>>
Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap 
<talk-ca@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>>
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires


Hi Dale I'm not sure if you've been following this list previously, but there 
was a initiative started already within osm-canada

I've created a HOT project here:
http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/22

But right now OSM is in read only mode as there is a scheduled maintenance

On May 9, 2016 12:12 PM, "Kunce, Dale" 
<dale.ku...@redcross.org<mailto:dale.ku...@redcross.org>> wrote:
The American Red Cross is potentially sending some teams to do help the 
Canadian Canadian Red Cross with damage assessments in Ft. Mcmurtry and other 
places affected by the recent fires.

As part of the assessment we are potentially going to use OpenMapKit to do a 
building by building assessment. The OSM data looks pretty good for the area 
except that not all buildings are in OSM. The assessment would not happen for 
at least a week or two but we are interested in mapping all of the buildings in 
the affected area from pre-event imagery. No damage assessment from satellite 
imagery will occur.

I’ve already let HOT know but it would be great to have support of the 
OSM-Canada community to help get the work done.

Please let me know if this is something you would be interested in helping or 
leading.

Dale

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[Talk-ca] Ft. McMurry Fires

2016-05-09 Thread Kunce, Dale
The American Red Cross is potentially sending some teams to do help the 
Canadian Canadian Red Cross with damage assessments in Ft. Mcmurtry and other 
places affected by the recent fires.

As part of the assessment we are potentially going to use OpenMapKit to do a 
building by building assessment. The OSM data looks pretty good for the area 
except that not all buildings are in OSM. The assessment would not happen for 
at least a week or two but we are interested in mapping all of the buildings in 
the affected area from pre-event imagery. No damage assessment from satellite 
imagery will occur.

I’ve already let HOT know but it would be great to have support of the 
OSM-Canada community to help get the work done.

Please let me know if this is something you would be interested in helping or 
leading.

Dale

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