Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[Jonathan Brown]

Thanks for catching that, James. It looks like Doug Seaborn did this as part of 
Ryerson University’s November BC2020 mapathon event. I wonder if he’s still 
with the university and if he’d be interested in the March 29 event. I’ll reach 
out next week. 

Jonathan

From: James
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 8:15 PM
To: john whelan
Cc: Jonathan Brown; Rob Halko; Brock Baker <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>; Talk-CA 
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Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

Seems Durham already had a project created for it:
http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/85
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[James]

Seems Durham already had a project created for it:
http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/85
I'll archive project 116

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 11:56 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If you let us know the time and date if one or two of use are around we
> can run an eye over the work as it is done.  Technical term is validation
> basically it is to give feedback to help with the data quality side.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 9 March 2018 at 11:44, Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, James. I added one building to project 116 with request for
>> review. We may not have time to set up  a wiki to support the specific
>> building tags to use for the Durham Region policy challenges (e.g., access
>> to fresh food or financial bank machines), but will give it a try. The goal
>> is to “add meaning to the geographic objects” (
>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/about) the students will be mapping on
>> March 29 based on their local knowledge.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *James <james2...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Friday, March 9, 2018 11:02 AM
>> *To: *Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>; Matthew Darwin
>> <matt...@mdarwin.ca>; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>; Rob
>> Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca>; Brock Baker <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>
>> <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>; Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)
>> <alessandro.ala...@canada.ca>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer
>>
>>
>>
>> http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/116
>>
>> Copied information from task #91
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[john whelan]

If you let us know the time and date if one or two of use are around we can
run an eye over the work as it is done.  Technical term is validation
basically it is to give feedback to help with the data quality side.

Cheerio John

On 9 March 2018 at 11:44, Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, James. I added one building to project 116 with request for
> review. We may not have time to set up  a wiki to support the specific
> building tags to use for the Durham Region policy challenges (e.g., access
> to fresh food or financial bank machines), but will give it a try. The goal
> is to “add meaning to the geographic objects” (https://taginfo.
> openstreetmap.org/about) the students will be mapping on March 29 based
> on their local knowledge.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> *From: *James <james2...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, March 9, 2018 11:02 AM
> *To: *Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>; Matthew Darwin
> <matt...@mdarwin.ca>; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>; Rob
> Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca>; Brock Baker <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>
> <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>; Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)
> <alessandro.ala...@canada.ca>
> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer
>
>
>
> http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/116
>
> Copied information from task #91
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[Jonathan Brown]

Thanks, James. I added one building to project 116 with request for review. We 
may not have time to set up  a wiki to support the specific building tags to 
use for the Durham Region policy challenges (e.g., access to fresh food or 
financial bank machines), but will give it a try. The goal is to “add meaning 
to the geographic objects” (https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/about) the 
students will be mapping on March 29 based on their local knowledge. 

Jonathan 

From: James
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 11:02 AM
To: Jonathan Brown
Cc: john whelan; Matthew Darwin; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap; Rob Halko; Brock Baker 
<brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>; Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)
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http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/116
Copied information from task #91


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[James]

http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/116

Copied information from task #91

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:44 PM, Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Excellent. The OSM community’s support is much appreciated.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> *From: *john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:16 PM
> *To: *Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Matthew Darwin <matt...@mdarwin.ca>; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
> <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>; Rob Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca>; Brock Baker
> <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca> <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>; Alasia, Alessandro
> (STATCAN) <alessandro.ala...@canada.ca>
> *Subject: *RE: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer
>
>
>
> I think Matthew or James are the people to talk to.  I suspect it might
> take them an hour or so which means there is an excellent chance of it
> being made available before March 29th.
>
>
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
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[James]

I'll have a project up by tomorrow.

On Mar 8, 2018 8:03 PM, "Tim Elrick" <o...@elrick.de> wrote:

> Hi Jonathan & Rob,
>
> As John mentioned task #91, the one that we set up last, and we are about
> to set up another one for our next mapathon on March 20th (on Khairpur in
> Pakistan though), I am happy to help out too.
>
> For preparing the areas of interest (aoi) the project manager needs either
> a geojson or a kml or a shapefile. If you want to draw on James' offer to
> set up the tasking manager and just don't have the aoi as geojson, I am
> happy to convert it and send it to James.
>
> All the best for your mapathon (if Durham wasn't so far from MTL, I would
> have joined in)!,
>
> Tim
>
> On 2018-03-08 14:44, Jonathan Brown wrote:
>
> Excellent. The OSM community’s support is much appreciated.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> *From: *john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:16 PM
> *To: *Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Matthew Darwin <matt...@mdarwin.ca>; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
> <talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>; Rob Halko <rob.ha...@durham.ca>; Brock Baker
> <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca> <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>; Alasia, Alessandro
> (STATCAN) <alessandro.ala...@canada.ca>
> *Subject: *RE: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer
>
>
>
> I think Matthew or James are the people to talk to.  I suspect it might
> take them an hour or so which means there is an excellent chance of it
> being made available before March 29th.
>
>
>
> Cheerio John
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[Tim Elrick]

Hi Jonathan & Rob,

As John mentioned task #91, the one that we set up last, and we are
about to set up another one for our next mapathon on March 20th (on
Khairpur in Pakistan though), I am happy to help out too.

For preparing the areas of interest (aoi) the project manager needs
either a geojson or a kml or a shapefile. If you want to draw on James'
offer to set up the tasking manager and just don't have the aoi as
geojson, I am happy to convert it and send it to James.

All the best for your mapathon (if Durham wasn't so far from MTL, I
would have joined in)!,

Tim

On 2018-03-08 14:44, Jonathan Brown wrote:

Excellent. The OSM community’s support is much appreciated.

 

Jonathan

 

*From: *john whelan <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>
*Sent: *Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:16 PM
*To: *Jonathan Brown <mailto:jonab...@gmail.com>
*Cc: *Matthew Darwin <mailto:matt...@mdarwin.ca>; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap
<mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>; Rob Halko
<mailto:rob.ha...@durham.ca>; Brock Baker <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>
<mailto:brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>; Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)
<mailto:alessandro.ala...@canada.ca>
*Subject: *RE: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

 

I think Matthew or James are the people to talk to.  I suspect it might
take them an hour or so which means there is an excellent chance of it
being made available before March 29th.

 

Cheerio John

 



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[Jonathan Brown]

Excellent. The OSM community’s support is much appreciated. 

Jonathan

From: john whelan
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:16 PM
To: Jonathan Brown
Cc: Matthew Darwin; Talk-CA OpenStreetMap; Rob Halko; Brock Baker 
<brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>; Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN)
Subject: RE: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

I think Matthew or James are the people to talk to.  I suspect it might take 
them an hour or so which means there is an excellent chance of it being made 
available before March 29th.

Cheerio John

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Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[James]

Doesnt have to be precise, I just dont know those places.

On Mar 8, 2018 2:28 PM, "Jonathan Brown"  wrote:

> do you have a geojson extent of the area you want to cover?
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>
> Rob Halko can answer that question for Durham Region, the priority area
> for March 29. I’ll need to ask the other regions.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[Jonathan Brown]

do you have a geojson extent of the area you want to cover?

-

Rob Halko can answer that question for Durham Region, the priority area for 
March 29. I’ll need to ask the other regions. 

Jonathan 

 
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Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[James]

do you have a geojson extent of the area you want to cover?

On Mar 8, 2018 2:06 PM, "Jonathan Brown" <jonab...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If we could clone the http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/91 so that it
> could be used to tag information for existing buildings in the regions of
> Durham, Northumberland and Niagara Falls, then that would be great. Can
> that be done in time for March 29?
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On 8 March 2018 at 10:40, Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Matthew. We are finalizing the mapping task on a conference call
> this afternoon at 3 pm if you have time to join in. At the Toronto OSM
> Meetup they recommended using one of the HOT Tasking Manager tasks. I
> looked at this one and found the “Project Specific Notes” helpful:
> https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4234#bottom
>
>
>
> Could we not set up a similar project using the BC2020i framework so that
> municipalities and regions could use OSM to track local use of buildings
> for food security and other types of sustainable development projects?
>
>
>
> Splitting up the work for completion in a short period of time is exactly
> what high school teachers and non-profit agencies in rural communities
> need. The Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs is
> working on this kind of capacity building with rural communities and youth.
>
>
>
> Could the OSM Tasking Manager not be used to support those municipalities
> that have limited GIS open data capacity to sustain this type of activity?
> We want to have an OSM training session like the one you describe below in
> the morning (2-5 to 3 hours) and then give teams a task to map where they
> would be adding points of interest based on prior knowledge gathering
> before the event. The prior knowledge would be related to information about
> their school building that ties into information about municipal buildings
> in the surrounding neighbourhoods.
>
>
>
> The combined information would allow them to visualize some aspect of
> local land use. Rob will be able to demonstrate how Durham Region uses
> spatial analysis for local planning purposes. In the follow-up event in the
> fall we could bring these schools back for an event that demonstrates how
> crowdsourcing and citizen science works at the local level.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> *From: *Matthew Darwin <matt...@mdarwin.ca>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:19 PM
> *To: *Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com>; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer
>
>
>
> [prune CC list so this gets posted to the list]
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> I'm probably missing something, but you don't link training videos from
> the tasking manager.   The tasking manager is about splitting up some
> pre-defined mapping jobs (eg trace outline of building from bing satellite
> image), into small chunks that people can finish in a short amount of
> time.  So people don't work on things other people are already working on.
>
> If people are adding what they already know, then you don't need a tasking
> manager.  People just go ahead and add it, if it is not already there
> (checking if it is already there is important so we don't get duplicate
> things).  Presumably beginners are only going to add one thing at a time in
> ID editor, and they're all in the same room, so scope for conflict is small
> (easily solved with everyone announcing what they are doing before starting
> it).
>
> For your session later this month, it sounds to me like you want someone
> to
>
>- introduce the topic of mapping in OSM
>- introduce the ID editor
>- go through some samples of things to be added
>- then everybody get on their laptop and start trying to edit things,
>with the leader checking what is going on
>
> (this is how my introductory session went last April when I joined a
> meetup group in Ottawa)
>
> The task manager is not needed in this scenario.
>
> But please correct me if I totally missed your point.
>
> On 2018-03-07 08:55 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
>
> We want to run the mapathon by setting up a task in the Tasking Manager
> with links to the OSMLearning video tutorials and use cases for the
> instruction section. We want to make the task as simple as possible (e.g.,
> adding points of interest based on participants’ local knowledge augmented
> with information from social services and NGOs who will be participating).
>
>
>
> The goal is to have the participants apply OSM morning training to a
> problem solving task in the afternoon, similar to what Sterling Quinn did
> for the Philly Fresh Food Mapathon: http

Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[john whelan]

I think Matthew or James are the people to talk to.  I suspect it might
take them an hour or so which means there is an excellent chance of it
being made available before March 29th.

Cheerio John

On 8 Mar 2018 2:04 pm, "Jonathan Brown" <jonab...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If we could clone the http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/91 so that it
> could be used to tag information for existing buildings in the regions of
> Durham, Northumberland and Niagara Falls, then that would be great. Can
> that be done in time for March 29?
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> On 8 March 2018 at 10:40, Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Matthew. We are finalizing the mapping task on a conference call
> this afternoon at 3 pm if you have time to join in. At the Toronto OSM
> Meetup they recommended using one of the HOT Tasking Manager tasks. I
> looked at this one and found the “Project Specific Notes” helpful:
> https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4234#bottom
>
>
>
> Could we not set up a similar project using the BC2020i framework so that
> municipalities and regions could use OSM to track local use of buildings
> for food security and other types of sustainable development projects?
>
>
>
> Splitting up the work for completion in a short period of time is exactly
> what high school teachers and non-profit agencies in rural communities
> need. The Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs is
> working on this kind of capacity building with rural communities and youth.
>
>
>
> Could the OSM Tasking Manager not be used to support those municipalities
> that have limited GIS open data capacity to sustain this type of activity?
> We want to have an OSM training session like the one you describe below in
> the morning (2-5 to 3 hours) and then give teams a task to map where they
> would be adding points of interest based on prior knowledge gathering
> before the event. The prior knowledge would be related to information about
> their school building that ties into information about municipal buildings
> in the surrounding neighbourhoods.
>
>
>
> The combined information would allow them to visualize some aspect of
> local land use. Rob will be able to demonstrate how Durham Region uses
> spatial analysis for local planning purposes. In the follow-up event in the
> fall we could bring these schools back for an event that demonstrates how
> crowdsourcing and citizen science works at the local level.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> *From: *Matthew Darwin <matt...@mdarwin.ca>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:19 PM
> *To: *Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com>; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer
>
>
>
> [prune CC list so this gets posted to the list]
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> I'm probably missing something, but you don't link training videos from
> the tasking manager.   The tasking manager is about splitting up some
> pre-defined mapping jobs (eg trace outline of building from bing satellite
> image), into small chunks that people can finish in a short amount of
> time.  So people don't work on things other people are already working on.
>
> If people are adding what they already know, then you don't need a tasking
> manager.  People just go ahead and add it, if it is not already there
> (checking if it is already there is important so we don't get duplicate
> things).  Presumably beginners are only going to add one thing at a time in
> ID editor, and they're all in the same room, so scope for conflict is small
> (easily solved with everyone announcing what they are doing before starting
> it).
>
> For your session later this month, it sounds to me like you want someone
> to
>
>- introduce the topic of mapping in OSM
>- introduce the ID editor
>- go through some samples of things to be added
>- then everybody get on their laptop and start trying to edit things,
>with the leader checking what is going on
>
> (this is how my introductory session went last April when I joined a
> meetup group in Ottawa)
>
> The task manager is not needed in this scenario.
>
> But please correct me if I totally missed your point.
>
> On 2018-03-07 08:55 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
>
> We want to run the mapathon by setting up a task in the Tasking Manager
> with links to the OSMLearning video tutorials and use cases for the
> instruction section. We want to make the task as simple as possible (e.g.,
> adding points of interest based on participants’ local knowledge augmented
> with information from social services and NGOs who will be participating).
>
>
>
> The goal is to have the participants apply OSM morning traini

Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[Jonathan Brown]

If we could clone the http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/91 so that it could be 
used to tag information for existing buildings in the regions of Durham, 
Northumberland and Niagara Falls, then that would be great. Can that be done in 
time for March 29? 
Jonathan 

On 8 March 2018 at 10:40, Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks, Matthew. We are finalizing the mapping task on a conference call this 
afternoon at 3 pm if you have time to join in. At the Toronto OSM Meetup they 
recommended using one of the HOT Tasking Manager tasks. I looked at this one 
and found the “Project Specific Notes” helpful: 
https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4234#bottom
 
Could we not set up a similar project using the BC2020i framework so that 
municipalities and regions could use OSM to track local use of buildings for 
food security and other types of sustainable development projects? 
 
Splitting up the work for completion in a short period of time is exactly what 
high school teachers and non-profit agencies in rural communities need. The 
Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs is working on this kind 
of capacity building with rural communities and youth. 
 
Could the OSM Tasking Manager not be used to support those municipalities that 
have limited GIS open data capacity to sustain this type of activity? We want 
to have an OSM training session like the one you describe below in the morning 
(2-5 to 3 hours) and then give teams a task to map where they would be adding 
points of interest based on prior knowledge gathering before the event. The 
prior knowledge would be related to information about their school building 
that ties into information about municipal buildings in the surrounding 
neighbourhoods. 
 
The combined information would allow them to visualize some aspect of local 
land use. Rob will be able to demonstrate how Durham Region uses spatial 
analysis for local planning purposes. In the follow-up event in the fall we 
could bring these schools back for an event that demonstrates how crowdsourcing 
and citizen science works at the local level. 
 
Jonathan 
 
From: Matthew Darwin
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:19 PM
To: Jonathan Brown; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer
 
[prune CC list so this gets posted to the list]
Hi Jonathan,
I'm probably missing something, but you don't link training videos from the 
tasking manager.   The tasking manager is about splitting up some pre-defined 
mapping jobs (eg trace outline of building from bing satellite image), into 
small chunks that people can finish in a short amount of time.  So people don't 
work on things other people are already working on.
If people are adding what they already know, then you don't need a tasking 
manager.  People just go ahead and add it, if it is not already there (checking 
if it is already there is important so we don't get duplicate things).  
Presumably beginners are only going to add one thing at a time in ID editor, 
and they're all in the same room, so scope for conflict is small (easily solved 
with everyone announcing what they are doing before starting it).
For your session later this month, it sounds to me like you want someone to 
• introduce the topic of mapping in OSM
• introduce the ID editor
• go through some samples of things to be added
• then everybody get on their laptop and start trying to edit things, with the 
leader checking what is going on
(this is how my introductory session went last April when I joined a meetup 
group in Ottawa)
The task manager is not needed in this scenario.
But please correct me if I totally missed your point.
On 2018-03-07 08:55 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
We want to run the mapathon by setting up a task in the Tasking Manager with 
links to the OSMLearning video tutorials and use cases for the instruction 
section. We want to make the task as simple as possible (e.g., adding points of 
interest based on participants’ local knowledge augmented with information from 
social services and NGOs who will be participating). 
 
The goal is to have the participants apply OSM morning training to a problem 
solving task in the afternoon, similar to what Sterling Quinn did for the 
Philly Fresh Food Mapathon: 
http://2017.phillytechweek.com/events/philly_mapathon
 
We would need to add tasks to the OSM Tasking Manager that encompass the school 
boards and schools within the geography to be mapped - Durham Region, Niagara 
Region, Northumberland County, and Greater Peterborough area. For March 29 the 
priority is for Durham Region and Northumberland County. 
 
We are looking for a train-the-trainer model for 8-10 facilitators (teachers, 
senior secondary and postsecondary students) that can be repurposed for other 
mapathon events this spring and fall.
 
There will be a follow-up event in the early fall. We are exploring ways to 
build this type of mapathon event into the workflows of the educational and 

Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[john whelan]

The most useful thing you could do is add tags to the existing buildings.
Levels, is it residential, commercial etc.

I take it you've looked at http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/project/91 and found
it wasn't what you were after? The area that is tiled can be set up in
another project.  What do you require that is different to project 91?

Thanks John

On 8 March 2018 at 10:40, Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Matthew. We are finalizing the mapping task on a conference call
> this afternoon at 3 pm if you have time to join in. At the Toronto OSM
> Meetup they recommended using one of the HOT Tasking Manager tasks. I
> looked at this one and found the “Project Specific Notes” helpful:
> https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4234#bottom
>
>
>
> Could we not set up a similar project using the BC2020i framework so that
> municipalities and regions could use OSM to track local use of buildings
> for food security and other types of sustainable development projects?
>
>
>
> Splitting up the work for completion in a short period of time is exactly
> what high school teachers and non-profit agencies in rural communities
> need. The Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs is
> working on this kind of capacity building with rural communities and youth.
>
>
>
> Could the OSM Tasking Manager not be used to support those municipalities
> that have limited GIS open data capacity to sustain this type of activity?
> We want to have an OSM training session like the one you describe below in
> the morning (2-5 to 3 hours) and then give teams a task to map where they
> would be adding points of interest based on prior knowledge gathering
> before the event. The prior knowledge would be related to information about
> their school building that ties into information about municipal buildings
> in the surrounding neighbourhoods.
>
>
>
> The combined information would allow them to visualize some aspect of
> local land use. Rob will be able to demonstrate how Durham Region uses
> spatial analysis for local planning purposes. In the follow-up event in the
> fall we could bring these schools back for an event that demonstrates how
> crowdsourcing and citizen science works at the local level.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> *From: *Matthew Darwin <matt...@mdarwin.ca>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:19 PM
> *To: *Jonathan Brown <jonab...@gmail.com>; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> *Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer
>
>
>
> [prune CC list so this gets posted to the list]
>
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> I'm probably missing something, but you don't link training videos from
> the tasking manager.   The tasking manager is about splitting up some
> pre-defined mapping jobs (eg trace outline of building from bing satellite
> image), into small chunks that people can finish in a short amount of
> time.  So people don't work on things other people are already working on.
>
> If people are adding what they already know, then you don't need a tasking
> manager.  People just go ahead and add it, if it is not already there
> (checking if it is already there is important so we don't get duplicate
> things).  Presumably beginners are only going to add one thing at a time in
> ID editor, and they're all in the same room, so scope for conflict is small
> (easily solved with everyone announcing what they are doing before starting
> it).
>
> For your session later this month, it sounds to me like you want someone
> to
>
>- introduce the topic of mapping in OSM
>- introduce the ID editor
>- go through some samples of things to be added
>- then everybody get on their laptop and start trying to edit things,
>with the leader checking what is going on
>
> (this is how my introductory session went last April when I joined a
> meetup group in Ottawa)
>
> The task manager is not needed in this scenario.
>
> But please correct me if I totally missed your point.
>
> On 2018-03-07 08:55 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
>
> We want to run the mapathon by setting up a task in the Tasking Manager
> with links to the OSMLearning video tutorials and use cases for the
> instruction section. We want to make the task as simple as possible (e.g.,
> adding points of interest based on participants’ local knowledge augmented
> with information from social services and NGOs who will be participating).
>
>
>
> The goal is to have the participants apply OSM morning training to a
> problem solving task in the afternoon, similar to what Sterling Quinn did
> for the Philly Fresh Food Mapathon: http://2017.phillytechweek.
> com/events/philly_mapathon
>
>
>
> We would need to add tasks to the OS

Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[Jonathan Brown]

Thanks, Matthew. We are finalizing the mapping task on a conference call this 
afternoon at 3 pm if you have time to join in. At the Toronto OSM Meetup they 
recommended using one of the HOT Tasking Manager tasks. I looked at this one 
and found the “Project Specific Notes” helpful: 
https://tasks.hotosm.org/project/4234#bottom

Could we not set up a similar project using the BC2020i framework so that 
municipalities and regions could use OSM to track local use of buildings for 
food security and other types of sustainable development projects? 

Splitting up the work for completion in a short period of time is exactly what 
high school teachers and non-profit agencies in rural communities need. The 
Ontario Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs is working on this kind 
of capacity building with rural communities and youth. 

Could the OSM Tasking Manager not be used to support those municipalities that 
have limited GIS open data capacity to sustain this type of activity? We want 
to have an OSM training session like the one you describe below in the morning 
(2-5 to 3 hours) and then give teams a task to map where they would be adding 
points of interest based on prior knowledge gathering before the event. The 
prior knowledge would be related to information about their school building 
that ties into information about municipal buildings in the surrounding 
neighbourhoods. 

The combined information would allow them to visualize some aspect of local 
land use. Rob will be able to demonstrate how Durham Region uses spatial 
analysis for local planning purposes. In the follow-up event in the fall we 
could bring these schools back for an event that demonstrates how crowdsourcing 
and citizen science works at the local level. 

Jonathan 

From: Matthew Darwin
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:19 PM
To: Jonathan Brown; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[prune CC list so this gets posted to the list]
Hi Jonathan,
I'm probably missing something, but you don't link training videos from the 
tasking manager.   The tasking manager is about splitting up some pre-defined 
mapping jobs (eg trace outline of building from bing satellite image), into 
small chunks that people can finish in a short amount of time.  So people don't 
work on things other people are already working on.
If people are adding what they already know, then you don't need a tasking 
manager.  People just go ahead and add it, if it is not already there (checking 
if it is already there is important so we don't get duplicate things).  
Presumably beginners are only going to add one thing at a time in ID editor, 
and they're all in the same room, so scope for conflict is small (easily solved 
with everyone announcing what they are doing before starting it).
For your session later this month, it sounds to me like you want someone to 
• introduce the topic of mapping in OSM
• introduce the ID editor
• go through some samples of things to be added
• then everybody get on their laptop and start trying to edit things, with the 
leader checking what is going on
(this is how my introductory session went last April when I joined a meetup 
group in Ottawa)
The task manager is not needed in this scenario.
But please correct me if I totally missed your point.
On 2018-03-07 08:55 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:
We want to run the mapathon by setting up a task in the Tasking Manager with 
links to the OSMLearning video tutorials and use cases for the instruction 
section. We want to make the task as simple as possible (e.g., adding points of 
interest based on participants’ local knowledge augmented with information from 
social services and NGOs who will be participating). 
 
The goal is to have the participants apply OSM morning training to a problem 
solving task in the afternoon, similar to what Sterling Quinn did for the 
Philly Fresh Food Mapathon: 
http://2017.phillytechweek.com/events/philly_mapathon
 
We would need to add tasks to the OSM Tasking Manager that encompass the school 
boards and schools within the geography to be mapped - Durham Region, Niagara 
Region, Northumberland County, and Greater Peterborough area. For March 29 the 
priority is for Durham Region and Northumberland County. 
 
We are looking for a train-the-trainer model for 8-10 facilitators (teachers, 
senior secondary and postsecondary students) that can be repurposed for other 
mapathon events this spring and fall.
 
There will be a follow-up event in the early fall. We are exploring ways to 
build this type of mapathon event into the workflows of the educational and 
local planning structures and processes at the municipal and regional level. 
Alessandro and his colleagues at the TB Open Data branch are well aware of what 
we are trying to do. 
 
Jonathan 
 
From: Matthew Darwin
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:06 PM
To: Jonathan Brown; talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
Cc: Brock Baker <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>
Subje

Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

[Matthew Darwin]

[prune CC list so this gets posted to the list]

Hi Jonathan,

I'm probably missing something, but you don't link training videos 
from the tasking manager.   The tasking manager is about splitting up 
some pre-defined mapping jobs (eg trace outline of building from bing 
satellite image), into small chunks that people can finish in a short 
amount of time.  So people don't work on things other people are 
already working on.


If people are adding what they already know, then you don't need a 
tasking manager. People just go ahead and add it, if it is not already 
there (checking if it is already there is important so we don't get 
duplicate things).  Presumably beginners are only going to add one 
thing at a time in ID editor, and they're all in the same room, so 
scope for conflict is small (easily solved with everyone announcing 
what they are doing before starting it).


For your session later this month, it sounds to me like you want 
someone to


 * introduce the topic of mapping in OSM
 * introduce the ID editor
 * go through some samples of things to be added
 * then everybody get on their laptop and start trying to edit
   things, with the leader checking what is going on

(this is how my introductory session went last April when I joined a 
meetup group in Ottawa)


The task manager is not needed in this scenario.

But please correct me if I totally missed your point.

On 2018-03-07 08:55 AM, Jonathan Brown wrote:


We want to run the mapathon by setting up a task in the Tasking 
Manager with links to the OSMLearning video tutorials and use cases 
for the instruction section. We want to make the task as simple as 
possible (e.g., adding points of interest based on participants’ 
local knowledge augmented with information from social services and 
NGOs who will be participating).


The goal is to have the participants apply OSM morning training to a 
problem solving task in the afternoon, similar to what Sterling 
Quinn did for the Philly Fresh Food Mapathon: 
http://2017.phillytechweek.com/events/philly_mapathon


We would need to add tasks to the OSM Tasking Manager that encompass 
the school boards and schools within the geography to be mapped - 
Durham Region, Niagara Region, Northumberland County, and Greater 
Peterborough area. For March 29 the priority is for Durham Region 
and Northumberland County.


We are looking for a train-the-trainer model for 8-10 facilitators 
(teachers, senior secondary and postsecondary students) that can be 
repurposed for other mapathon events this spring and fall.


There will be a follow-up event in the early fall. We are exploring 
ways to build this type of mapathon event into the workflows of the 
educational and local planning structures and processes at the 
municipal and regional level. Alessandro and his colleagues at the 
TB Open Data branch are well aware of what we are trying to do.


Jonathan

*From: *Matthew Darwin <mailto:matt...@mdarwin.ca>
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:06 PM
*To: *Jonathan Brown <mailto:jonab...@gmail.com>; 
talk-ca@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk-ca@openstreetmap.org>

*Cc: *Brock Baker <brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca> <mailto:brock_ba...@kprdsb.ca>
*Subject: *Re: [Talk-ca] Emergency Request for Tasking Manager Trainer

Hi Jonathan,

Are you trying to set up the tasking manager, or you just want to 
add a project to the existing tasking manager 
http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/? If you describe the details of what 
you're trying to accomplish (look at existing tasks), then someone 
can probably add a task for you.


Or do you want to know how to run a mapathon using the task manager?

Or?

A bit more details of what you're trying to do would be helpful...




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[Matthew Darwin]

Hi Jonathan,

Are you trying to set up the tasking manager, or you just want to add 
a project to the existing tasking manager http://tasks.osmcanada.ca/?  
If you describe the details of what you're trying to accomplish (look 
at existing tasks), then someone can probably add a task for you.


Or do you want to know how to run a mapathon using the task manager?

Or?

A bit more details of what you're trying to do would be helpful...


On 2018-03-05 10:15 PM, Jonathan Brown wrote:


We have an event coming up that the Durham Region Open Data folks 
have kindly offered to host. We are looking for a Tasking Manager 
trainer to train OSM facilitator for the day and/or provide a 
morning session training to beginner mappers from four to five high 
schools in the area. There will be a follow-up event in early fall 
as well, so this is not intended to be a one-off event. Any help 
would be most appreciated. Here is a link with the details for March 
29:


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S3RYIVxAEe_1c_vIQcwwMg3dChU4K-szcR8NdQsjvak/edit

Jamie, feel free to contact me offline if you have any suggestions. 
I was at the Toronto OSM Meetup this evening and your name came up.


Jonathan Brown

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Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 10:47:03 -0800 (PST)

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Subject: [Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #397 2018-02-20-2018-02-26

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 397,

is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of 
all things happening in the openstreetmap world:


http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/10075/

Enjoy!

weeklyOSM?

who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages

where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3


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Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 00:10:53 -0800 (PST)

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Subject: hebdoOSM Nº 397 2018-02-20-2018-02-26

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Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 397 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de 
paraître *en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :


http://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/10075/

Bonne lecture !

hebdoOSM ?

Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages

Où : 
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