Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

[john whelan]

When I spoke to the head of OC transpo he assured me that OC transpo has
full rights to the information as it created the set of where the bus stops
are and maintains this information for disabled access reasons. OC is 100%
owned by the city of Ottawa.

Cheerio John

On 15 September 2016 at 14:13, Stewart Russell  wrote:

> On Sep 15, 2016 08:08, "Kevin Farrugia"  wrote:
> >
> > I think Stewart means make sure that the City has the rights to
> distribute it if the data is created by some third party.
>
> Thanks, Kevin. That's exactly what I meant.
>
> As was mentioned on the thread I linked to, a UK open address group found
> that one of their datasets was derived from a Google Maps geolocation
> service. This meant that the data org couldn't use it, even though the data
> had a nominal OGL licence. This open data org had government funding and
> support at a very senior level, yet couldn't get past this hurdle.
>
> So it's not a question of who owns the facilities, but rather if some
> third party has rights lurking in the data. And this would be something
> we'd have to ask about.
>
> Cheers
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

[Stewart Russell]

On Sep 15, 2016 08:08, "Kevin Farrugia"  wrote:
>
> I think Stewart means make sure that the City has the rights to
distribute it if the data is created by some third party.

Thanks, Kevin. That's exactly what I meant.

As was mentioned on the thread I linked to, a UK open address group found
that one of their datasets was derived from a Google Maps geolocation
service. This meant that the data org couldn't use it, even though the data
had a nominal OGL licence. This open data org had government funding and
support at a very senior level, yet couldn't get past this hurdle.

So it's not a question of who owns the facilities, but rather if some third
party has rights lurking in the data. And this would be something we'd have
to ask about.

Cheers
Stewart
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

[Kevin Farrugia]

I think Stewart means make sure that the City has the rights to distribute
it if the data is created by some third party.

For example, some cities get their building footprints from their
orthoimagery provider (they're created as part of the orthorectification
process) while others digitize them from their own imagery (imagery
licenses usually include a term that makes derivative products their own
property). In the first case it couldn't be imported to OSM but in the
second, provided the imagery license allows it, it would be okay for import.

On Sep 15, 2016 8:01 AM, "john whelan"  wrote:

> I'm fairly certain that the city owns the bus stops and doesn't rent them
> from a third party.
>
> Do you have an example of what to look for for the GTFS data?
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 14 September 2016 at 22:18, Stewart C. Russell 
> wrote:
>
>> On 2016-09-14 05:15 PM, john whelan wrote:
>> > http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-lice
>> nce-version-20
>>
>> This is very neat! I noticed it yesterday, but was too jetlagged from
>> XOXO to say anything.
>>
>> > It should now be aligned with the Federal Government one so that should
>> > mean we can import the GTFS bus stop file.
>>
>> In theory, yes, but please check with the city that they have all
>> third-party rights cleared in any data set you propose to import. As was
>> recently discussed on the Legal-talk list, OGL does not cover
>> third-party rights:
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2016-Se
>> ptember/008541.html
>>
>> (This is something that Bjenk and the Stat Can team will need to take
>> seriously for any import data sets they wish to use)
>>
>> cheers,
>>  Stewart
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

[john whelan]

I'm fairly certain that the city owns the bus stops and doesn't rent them
from a third party.

Do you have an example of what to look for for the GTFS data?

Thanks John

On 14 September 2016 at 22:18, Stewart C. Russell  wrote:

> On 2016-09-14 05:15 PM, john whelan wrote:
> > http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-
> licence-version-20
>
> This is very neat! I noticed it yesterday, but was too jetlagged from
> XOXO to say anything.
>
> > It should now be aligned with the Federal Government one so that should
> > mean we can import the GTFS bus stop file.
>
> In theory, yes, but please check with the city that they have all
> third-party rights cleared in any data set you propose to import. As was
> recently discussed on the Legal-talk list, OGL does not cover
> third-party rights:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2016-
> September/008541.html
>
> (This is something that Bjenk and the Stat Can team will need to take
> seriously for any import data sets they wish to use)
>
> cheers,
>  Stewart
>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

[Stewart C. Russell]

On 2016-09-14 05:15 PM, john whelan wrote:
> http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-licence-version-20

This is very neat! I noticed it yesterday, but was too jetlagged from
XOXO to say anything.

> It should now be aligned with the Federal Government one so that should
> mean we can import the GTFS bus stop file.

In theory, yes, but please check with the city that they have all
third-party rights cleared in any data set you propose to import. As was
recently discussed on the Legal-talk list, OGL does not cover
third-party rights:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2016-September/008541.html

(This is something that Bjenk and the Stat Can team will need to take
seriously for any import data sets they wish to use)

cheers,
 Stewart


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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

[Denis Carriere]

That's great news!

For anyone interested in adding this data to Ottawa, please send me a
private message and I can explain our current workflow.

*~~*
*Denis Carriere*
*GIS Software & Systems Specialist*

*Twitter: @DenisCarriere *
*OSM: DenisCarriere *
GitHub: DenisCarriere 
Email: carriere.de...@gmail.com

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:15 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-licence-version-20
>
> It should now be aligned with the Federal Government one so that should
> mean we can import the GTFS bus stop file.
>
> In Ottawa unlike some GTFS files the bus stops are very accurate, they
> carefully recalibrated each one as part of the system for announcing bus
> stops.
>
> More importantly I can retagged the paths in Ottawa that the city has
> tagged as bicycle=yes.
>
> Cheerio John
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

[john whelan]

Robert has just added the water fountains as well.

http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/public-drinking-water-fountains

Cheerio John

On 14 September 2016 at 18:30, john whelan  wrote:

> I thought it was quite quick as well.  Still it gave me something to do in
> my retirement lobbying for it for the last few years.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 14 September 2016 at 17:19, James  wrote:
>
>> Only took 3 years.*hurray*!
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2016 5:16 PM, "john whelan"  wrote:
>>
>>> http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-lice
>>> nce-version-20
>>>
>>> It should now be aligned with the Federal Government one so that should
>>> mean we can import the GTFS bus stop file.
>>>
>>> In Ottawa unlike some GTFS files the bus stops are very accurate, they
>>> carefully recalibrated each one as part of the system for announcing bus
>>> stops.
>>>
>>> More importantly I can retagged the paths in Ottawa that the city has
>>> tagged as bicycle=yes.
>>>
>>> Cheerio John
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

[john whelan]

I thought it was quite quick as well.  Still it gave me something to do in
my retirement lobbying for it for the last few years.

Cheerio John

On 14 September 2016 at 17:19, James  wrote:

> Only took 3 years.*hurray*!
>
> On Sep 14, 2016 5:16 PM, "john whelan"  wrote:
>
>> http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-lice
>> nce-version-20
>>
>> It should now be aligned with the Federal Government one so that should
>> mean we can import the GTFS bus stop file.
>>
>> In Ottawa unlike some GTFS files the bus stops are very accurate, they
>> carefully recalibrated each one as part of the system for announcing bus
>> stops.
>>
>> More importantly I can retagged the paths in Ottawa that the city has
>> tagged as bicycle=yes.
>>
>> Cheerio John
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Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

[James]

Only took 3 years.*hurray*!

On Sep 14, 2016 5:16 PM, "john whelan"  wrote:

> http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-licence-version-20
>
> It should now be aligned with the Federal Government one so that should
> mean we can import the GTFS bus stop file.
>
> In Ottawa unlike some GTFS files the bus stops are very accurate, they
> carefully recalibrated each one as part of the system for announcing bus
> stops.
>
> More importantly I can retagged the paths in Ottawa that the city has
> tagged as bicycle=yes.
>
> Cheerio John
>
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[Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.

[john whelan]

http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/open-data-licence-version-20

It should now be aligned with the Federal Government one so that should
mean we can import the GTFS bus stop file.

In Ottawa unlike some GTFS files the bus stops are very accurate, they
carefully recalibrated each one as part of the system for announcing bus
stops.

More importantly I can retagged the paths in Ottawa that the city has
tagged as bicycle=yes.

Cheerio John
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