Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] SOTM 2013 bid
Awesome, cheers Stuart Andy -Original Message- From: stuart lester [mailto:stules...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 October 2012 09:46 To: OSM Group WM Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] SOTM 2013 bid Hi all, This is great. Would love to help out. Once I've finished organising a stag do for this weekend will be able to read messages properly and offer concrete support! I am also helping out FOSS4G as well so will do what I can to publicize with those folk. Cheers, Stu ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2677 / Virus Database: 2591/5817 - Release Date: 10/08/12 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] SOTM 2013 bid
On 08/10/12 19:29, Brian Prangle wrote: Hi Andy Are you intending that we bypass the existing wiki page and gaining consensus from the UK community? Or do the two in parallel? I can see that gaining consensus would be messy and time consuming unless we force the pace but I think one country one bid would be far stronger - for instance we wouldn't be competing for UK sponsors, and there'd be more people with more contacts to get things done. It sounds as though your group already has more volunteers than have spoken up on talk-gb/the wiki, and if so then I doubt consensus will take very long to achieve at all. J. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] mapping conundrum
Ed Loach spotted that a 1993 planning application [4] for 11 Rockingham Gardens included the conversion of old outbuildings into a granny annex but this appears only to apply to about half of the building (the north and eastern portion at the back of number 11). The remaining part to the west and all of the garden appears to be a separate land area and building. I may have to knock on the door of number 11 to ask! Cheers Andy [4] http://eplanning.birmingham.gov.uk/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/Generic/StdDet ails.aspx?PT=Planning%20Applications%20On-Line http://eplanning.birmingham.gov.uk/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/Generic/StdDe tails.aspx?PT=Planning%20Applications%20On-LineTYPE=PL/PlanningPK.xmlPARAM 0=68392XSLT=/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/SiteFiles/Skins/Birmingham/xslt/PL/ PLDetails.xsltFT=Planning%20Application%20DetailsPUBLIC=YXMLSIDE=/Northga te/PlanningExplorer/SiteFiles/Skins/Birmingham/Menus/PL.xmlDAURI=PLANNING TYPE=PL/PlanningPK.xmlPARAM0=68392XSLT=/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/SiteFi les/Skins/Birmingham/xslt/PL/PLDetails.xsltFT=Planning%20Application%20Deta ilsPUBLIC=YXMLSIDE=/Northgate/PlanningExplorer/SiteFiles/Skins/Birmingham/ Menus/PL.xmlDAURI=PLANNING -Original Message- From: Matt Williams [mailto:m...@milliams.com] Sent: 09 October 2012 17:08 To: Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] mapping conundrum On 9 October 2012 16:52, Andy Robinson mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: A little mapping conundrum for you folks. This building with the ? in the centre of the map [1] appears to be a house, yet I can't find the access to it. BING Birdseye [2] doesn't appear to clarify matters. Google [3] suggests there might be a red car parked outside which would mean there should be a drive somewhere. I've cycled round and can't find an access off Rockkingham Gardens, Anchorage Road or Mulroy Road. Well there is a rough footpath that used to be a track to the old Sutton Park railway station which starts at the junction of Mulroy Road/and Midland Road but it's not used be vehicles anymore and well overgrown. It's the one route I need to check but I'm sceptical because of the well manicured gardens this oddball property has. All ideas and suggestions welcome ;-) Cheers Andy [1] http://osm.org/go/euzaD8Zqa-- http://osm.org/go/euzaD8Zqa-- [2] http://binged.it/PThfeO http://binged.it/PThfeO [3] https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=52.568657,-1.825985spn=0.000368,0.00081 https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=52.568657,-1.825985spn=0.000368,0.00081 7t=hz=21 That's an interesting situation indeed. All I can say is that I'm not sure the red object in the Google imagery is a car, but rather looks like two red canoes or something. Sorry I can't be of more help. Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list mailto:Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2677 / Virus Database: 2591/5817 - Release Date: 10/08/12 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] mapping conundrum
Hi Andy Looks like you've got yourself a problem! I agree with Matt about the canoes. Some views from bing suggest the garden path joins up with one at 25 or 27 Rockingham Gardens. As it unusually sits close to no 11/15's boundary, perhaps its a granny flat for no 11/15? It seems to have taken a chunk out of no 11's garden. Wear your high viz vest and knock at no11/15 and ask is the best I can suggest. Regards Brian On 9 October 2012 16:52, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: A little mapping conundrum for you folks. ** ** This building with the ? in the centre of the map [1] appears to be a house, yet I can't find the access to it. BING Birdseye [2] doesn't appear to clarify matters. Google [3] suggests there might be a red car parked outside which would mean there should be a drive somewhere. ** ** I've cycled round and can't find an access off Rockkingham Gardens, Anchorage Road or Mulroy Road. Well there is a rough footpath that used to be a track to the old Sutton Park railway station which starts at the junction of Mulroy Road/and Midland Road but it's not used be vehicles anymore and well overgrown. It’s the one route I need to check but I'm sceptical because of the well manicured gardens this oddball property has. ** ** All ideas and suggestions welcome ;-) ** ** Cheers Andy ** ** [1] http://osm.org/go/euzaD8Zqa-- [2] http://binged.it/PThfeO [3] https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=52.568657,-1.825985spn=0.000368,0.000817t=hz=21 ** ** ** ** ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] mapping conundrum
You can check house prices online, have any in that area changed hands for a disproportionately high price? http://www.nethouseprices.com/ Is the railway line still open to passengers, I can see that the stations have closed, but a ride in a train along there may be of interest. Phil On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 18:08 +0100, Brian Prangle wrote: Hi Andy Looks like you've got yourself a problem! I agree with Matt about the canoes. Some views from bing suggest the garden path joins up with one at 25 or 27 Rockingham Gardens. As it unusually sits close to no 11/15's boundary, perhaps its a granny flat for no 11/15? It seems to have taken a chunk out of no 11's garden. Wear your high viz vest and knock at no11/15 and ask is the best I can suggest. Regards Brian On 9 October 2012 16:52, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: A little mapping conundrum for you folks. This building with the ? in the centre of the map [1] appears to be a house, yet I can't find the access to it. BING Birdseye [2] doesn't appear to clarify matters. Google [3] suggests there might be a red car parked outside which would mean there should be a drive somewhere. I've cycled round and can't find an access off Rockkingham Gardens, Anchorage Road or Mulroy Road. Well there is a rough footpath that used to be a track to the old Sutton Park railway station which starts at the junction of Mulroy Road/and Midland Road but it's not used be vehicles anymore and well overgrown. It’s the one route I need to check but I'm sceptical because of the well manicured gardens this oddball property has. All ideas and suggestions welcome ;-) Cheers Andy [1] http://osm.org/go/euzaD8Zqa-- [2] http://binged.it/PThfeO [3] https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=52.568657,-1.825985spn=0.000368,0.000817t=hz=21 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] mapping conundrum
On Tue, 2012-10-09 at 23:36 +0100, Big Fat Frog wrote: This is very puzzling. On a separate but connected note, if the Google imagery had shown a clear entrance/drive/path or whatever, I presume that would have to be left out of the DB due to copyright? Also, does our allowed use of Bing imagery extend to their more up to date higher quality imagery on their own website? And if you are prompted to walk down a certain road to survey something you would not have otherwise thought of? Phil Just some thought that cropped up while reading this. Jonathan On 09/10/2012 16:52, Andy Robinson wrote: A little mapping conundrum for you folks. This building with the ? in the centre of the map [1] appears to be a house, yet I can't find the access to it. BING Birdseye [2] doesn't appear to clarify matters. Google [3] suggests there might be a red car parked outside which would mean there should be a drive somewhere. I've cycled round and can't find an access off Rockkingham Gardens, Anchorage Road or Mulroy Road. Well there is a rough footpath that used to be a track to the old Sutton Park railway station which starts at the junction of Mulroy Road/and Midland Road but it's not used be vehicles anymore and well overgrown. It’s the one route I need to check but I'm sceptical because of the well manicured gardens this oddball property has. All ideas and suggestions welcome ;-) Cheers Andy [1] http://osm.org/go/euzaD8Zqa-- [2] http://binged.it/PThfeO [3] https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=52.568657,-1.825985spn=0.000368,0.000817t=hz=21 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] mapping conundrum
Just had a thought, looking at OS Streetview, is this part of the old disused station? Seems a bit far away but OS seem adamant? On 09/10/2012 16:52, Andy Robinson wrote: A little mapping conundrum for you folks. This building with the ? in the centre of the map [1] appears to be a house, yet I can't find the access to it. BING Birdseye [2] doesn't appear to clarify matters. Google [3] suggests there might be a red car parked outside which would mean there should be a drive somewhere. I've cycled round and can't find an access off Rockkingham Gardens, Anchorage Road or Mulroy Road. Well there is a rough footpath that used to be a track to the old Sutton Park railway station which starts at the junction of Mulroy Road/and Midland Road but it's not used be vehicles anymore and well overgrown. It’s the one route I need to check but I'm sceptical because of the well manicured gardens this oddball property has. All ideas and suggestions welcome ;-) Cheers Andy [1] http://osm.org/go/euzaD8Zqa-- [2] http://binged.it/PThfeO [3] https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=52.568657,-1.825985spn=0.000368,0.000817t=hz=21 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] mapping conundrum
Also looking at the historic maps there looks like there's been building there for quite some time. Midland Road seems to have continued along by the railway line and up to the end of this properties garden. Rob On , Big Fat Frog bigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: Just had a thought, looking at OS Streetview, is this part of the old disused station? Seems a bit far away but OS seem adamant? On 09/10/2012 16:52, Andy Robinson wrote: A little mapping conundrum for you folks. This building with the ? in the centre of the map [1] appears to be a house, yet I can't find the access to it. BING Birdseye [2] doesn't appear to clarify matters. Google [3] suggests there might be a red car parked outside which would mean there should be a drive somewhere. I've cycled round and can't find an access off Rockkingham Gardens, Anchorage Road or Mulroy Road. Well there is a rough footpath that used to be a track to the old Sutton Park railway station which starts at the junction of Mulroy Road/and Midland Road but it's not used be vehicles anymore and well overgrown. It's the one route I need to check but I'm sceptical because of the well manicured gardens this oddball property has. All ideas and suggestions welcome ;-) Cheers Andy [1] http://osm.org/go/euzaD8Zqa-- [2] http://binged.it/PThfeO [3] https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=52.568657,-1.825985spn=0.000368,0.000817t=hz=21 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Mapping party this Saturday - Cranleigh, Surrey
Hi, I can now confirm a venue and time for the footpaths mapping party in the Cranleigh area this Saturday. The meeting place will be Cromwell Coffee House, on the high street at 9.30 to 9.45 am. I don't know what this place is like but it had a couple of fairly decent reviews on the internet. The plan will be along the lines of 0930 to 1000 plan day 1000-1300 mapping 1300-1400 lunch, optional due to dispersed nature of area 1400-1800 more mapping 1800 onwards find pub, discuss day, optional meal I will put a cake up on a wiki page in due course but for now, the general areas to be covered are: * the area bounded by the B2130, A281, county boundary and old railway line (large) * uncovered areas around Dunsfold, Alfold and Alfold Crossways * the area north of Cranleigh between the A281, B2130, B2128 and tertiary road (small, mapper could do some of first area too) In the event of the sort of very heavy rain that has been typical of 2012, I may need to cancel the event (will post on Friday) but if it's just light rain it will still go ahead. Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Bomb dropped on St Helens Town Centre
I just created a task for Saint Helens on the rebuild tasking manager: http://rebuild.poole.ch/job/42 There's good imagery, should be a quick job to do the most important fixes remotely. On Oct 8, 2012, at 6:51 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 10/08/2012 12:41 PM, Bogus Zaba wrote: Cannot tell if this is somebody's mistake or vandalism, but can something be done to put back what has been taken away? Many ways in the town centre had to be removed in the license change: http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=redactionbotlat=53.44899lon=-2.73245zoom=15 It seems that at most of these have been contributed by user Salkunh who had not agreed to the new license when the redaction was executed. He seems to have agreed later, but the data cannot be automatically restored. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes
As you may recall, DfT has made available a lot of cycle facility data. This was processed and snapped to OSM geometry, and has been available for some months for importing (subject to local review) using the Snapshot tool. Further details here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England_Cycling_Data_project I've reconciled the data for my area, but I found it a bit hard going. Progress in other areas has been variable. I'm particularly interested in cycle lane data, so I've produced a rendering that compares DfT (Red) with OSM (Blue) data. Note that the DfT data is not clear which side of the road cycle lanes are on. http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/ Quite a lot still missing. So I've also generated tiles of the DfT cycle lane data (down to z17), for use as a background in editors. In Potlatch, you can create a new background by clicking on the Background drop-down, then Edit, then Add. The URL for the tiles is: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/tilesDfT/$z/$x/$y.png If any of you care to add cycle lanes in your area, that'd be most welcome. It will also be interesting to see whether providing a background proves to be an effective way of getting data reviewed and into OSM. If it's successful, a similar approach can be used for other parts of the data. Feedback welcome. Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] SOTM 2013
Hi everyone At our previous pub meeting for mappa-mercia on October 4 we had a great discussion about how we'd like SOTM2013 to come to Birmingham - so we got a group of volunteers (well everyone at the meeting) and have come up with an outline case for Birmingham Bid - see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_Bid_Page or link to it from the main UK SOTM2013 discussion page There's been some response already to our prior discussion on talk-gb west midlands and some other mappers outside the West Midlands have offered support(encouragement?) Comments, criticisms and support welcome Regards Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes (quality)
On a related point. I came across some OSM additions in my patch (Sutton Coldfield) which appear to come from the dft data. Specifically the estimated width value which was hopelessly wrong for every element I checked. It's easy to measure features with the measurement tool in JOSM so I think est_width probably should be ignored unless its checked to be consistently correct for a given area. Cheers Andy From: Richard Mann [mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 October 2012 16:15 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes As you may recall, DfT has made available a lot of cycle facility data. This was processed and snapped to OSM geometry, and has been available for some months for importing (subject to local review) using the Snapshot tool. Further details here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England_Cycling_Data_project I've reconciled the data for my area, but I found it a bit hard going. Progress in other areas has been variable. I'm particularly interested in cycle lane data, so I've produced a rendering that compares DfT (Red) with OSM (Blue) data. Note that the DfT data is not clear which side of the road cycle lanes are on. http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/ Quite a lot still missing. So I've also generated tiles of the DfT cycle lane data (down to z17), for use as a background in editors. In Potlatch, you can create a new background by clicking on the Background drop-down, then Edit, then Add. The URL for the tiles is: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/tilesDfT/$z/$x/$y.png If any of you care to add cycle lanes in your area, that'd be most welcome. It will also be interesting to see whether providing a background proves to be an effective way of getting data reviewed and into OSM. If it's successful, a similar approach can be used for other parts of the data. Feedback welcome. Richard _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2677 / Virus Database: 2591/5817 - Release Date: 10/08/12 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes
Richard, It looks good and useful. On the OSM side of things it looks like you've missed handling cycleway=opposite_lane, since a place where I had that in the data wasn't being rendered. I have since changed this to be cycleway:right=opposite_lane though to be more accurate. Cheers, Gregory From: Richard Mann [mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 October 2012 16:15 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes As you may recall, DfT has made available a lot of cycle facility data. This was processed and snapped to OSM geometry, and has been available for some months for importing (subject to local review) using the Snapshot tool. Further details here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England_Cycling_Data_project I've reconciled the data for my area, but I found it a bit hard going. Progress in other areas has been variable. I'm particularly interested in cycle lane data, so I've produced a rendering that compares DfT (Red) with OSM (Blue) data. Note that the DfT data is not clear which side of the road cycle lanes are on. http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/ Quite a lot still missing. So I've also generated tiles of the DfT cycle lane data (down to z17), for use as a background in editors. In Potlatch, you can create a new background by clicking on the Background drop-down, then Edit, then Add. The URL for the tiles is: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/tilesDfT/$z/$x/$y.png If any of you care to add cycle lanes in your area, that'd be most welcome. It will also be interesting to see whether providing a background proves to be an effective way of getting data reviewed and into OSM. If it's successful, a similar approach can be used for other parts of the data. Feedback welcome. Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes
Gregory, I thought that cycleway=opposite_lane was the equivalent of cycleway:right=lane. And if it was a lane only on the left then it would be cycleway:left=lane. Shaun On 9 Oct 2012, at 17:28, Gregory Williams greg...@gregorywilliams.me.uk wrote: Richard, It looks good and useful. On the OSM side of things it looks like you’ve missed handling cycleway=opposite_lane, since a place where I had that in the data wasn’t being rendered. I have since changed this to be cycleway:right=opposite_lane though to be more accurate. Cheers, Gregory From: Richard Mann [mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 October 2012 16:15 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes As you may recall, DfT has made available a lot of cycle facility data. This was processed and snapped to OSM geometry, and has been available for some months for importing (subject to local review) using the Snapshot tool. Further details here:http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England_Cycling_Data_project I've reconciled the data for my area, but I found it a bit hard going. Progress in other areas has been variable. I'm particularly interested in cycle lane data, so I've produced a rendering that compares DfT (Red) with OSM (Blue) data. Note that the DfT data is not clear which side of the road cycle lanes are on. http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/ Quite a lot still missing. So I've also generated tiles of the DfT cycle lane data (down to z17), for use as a background in editors. In Potlatch, you can create a new background by clicking on the Background drop-down, then Edit, then Add. The URL for the tiles is: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/tilesDfT/$z/$x/$y.png If any of you care to add cycle lanes in your area, that'd be most welcome. It will also be interesting to see whether providing a background proves to be an effective way of getting data reviewed and into OSM. If it's successful, a similar approach can be used for other parts of the data. Feedback welcome. Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes
On 9 October 2012 17:34, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Gregory, I thought that cycleway=opposite_lane was the equivalent of cycleway:right=lane. no - opposite_lane is useful in a one-way road to indicate cyclists can go both ways. There's nothing in cycleway:right=lane to suggest whether or not that cycle lane is with or against the traffic flow on a one-way road. Outside the Jeremy Bentham is a one-way cycle lane in the same direction as cars on the right hand side of a one way road, for example. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes
I've seen contraflow cycle lanes on the left and the right side of the road in the UK, so thought I ought to just clarify the tagging - better to be explicit rather than ambiguous. From: Shaun McDonald [mailto:sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk] Sent: 09 October 2012 17:35 To: Gregory Williams Cc: 'Richard Mann'; talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes Gregory, I thought that cycleway=opposite_lane was the equivalent of cycleway:right=lane. And if it was a lane only on the left then it would be cycleway:left=lane. Shaun On 9 Oct 2012, at 17:28, Gregory Williams greg...@gregorywilliams.me.uk wrote: Richard, It looks good and useful. On the OSM side of things it looks like you've missed handling cycleway=opposite_lane, since a place where I had that in the data wasn't being rendered. I have since changed this to be cycleway:right=opposite_lane though to be more accurate. Cheers, Gregory From: Richard Mann [mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 October 2012 16:15 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes As you may recall, DfT has made available a lot of cycle facility data. This was processed and snapped to OSM geometry, and has been available for some months for importing (subject to local review) using the Snapshot tool. Further details here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England_Cycling_Data_project http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/England_Cycling_Data_project I've reconciled the data for my area, but I found it a bit hard going. Progress in other areas has been variable. I'm particularly interested in cycle lane data, so I've produced a rendering that compares DfT (Red) with OSM (Blue) data. Note that the DfT data is not clear which side of the road cycle lanes are on. http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/ http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/ Quite a lot still missing. So I've also generated tiles of the DfT cycle lane data (down to z17), for use as a background in editors. In Potlatch, you can create a new background by clicking on the Background drop-down, then Edit, then Add. The URL for the tiles is: http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/tilesDfT/$z/$x/$y.png http://www.transportparadise.co.uk/dftcyclelanes/tilesDfT/$z/$x/$y.png If any of you care to add cycle lanes in your area, that'd be most welcome. It will also be interesting to see whether providing a background proves to be an effective way of getting data reviewed and into OSM. If it's successful, a similar approach can be used for other parts of the data. Feedback welcome. Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes
On 9 Oct 2012, at 17:47, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 October 2012 17:34, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Gregory, I thought that cycleway=opposite_lane was the equivalent of cycleway:right=lane. no - opposite_lane is useful in a one-way road to indicate cyclists can go both ways. There's nothing in cycleway:right=lane to suggest whether or not that cycle lane is with or against the traffic flow on a one-way road. Outside the Jeremy Bentham is a one-way cycle lane in the same direction as cars on the right hand side of a one way road, for example. Thanks for the clarification, maybe it would be easier to just map each lane of the road as areas? Shaun ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] DfT Cycling data - cycle lanes (quality)
On 09/10/2012 17:02, Andy Robinson wrote: On a related point... I came across some OSM additions in my patch (Sutton Coldfield) which appear to come from the dft data. Specifically the estimated width value which was hopelessly wrong for every element I checked. It's easy to measure features with the measurement tool in JOSM so I think est_width probably should be ignored unless its checked to be consistently correct for a given area. This is why I've largely ignored the DfT data. It just isn't accurate enough to blindly copy into OSM ad hoc. I enter cycle lane data such as this only when I have been to an area actually seen it, which renders most of the DfT info worthless. I've even seen data for NCN 4 that's illegal where it suggests a right hand turn but is explicitly denied by signs. Dave F. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Stiles (and gates) on roads
I have recently found a fairly common problem with stiles and pedestrian gates where footpaths join roads. Often a stile, or gate tagged for access on foot only, is used at the junction with a road. Routers then assume the road is for foot only and route around. I am not finding any users are making this error a lot, but a lot of users who have mapped a few paths have made this error. So not something that can be fixed by a few emails. I guess it is in a similar vain to the common error of ending a footpath at the hedge and not joining it with the roads way. The scale of the problem is shown here, some are stiles which continue from dead end roads, but most cause OSRM to avoid the node http://www.overpass-api.de/api/convert?data=way%2849.2%2C-7.6%2C59.2% 2C3.5%29[highway%3D%22unclassified%22]%3B%28node%28w%29[barrier%3D% 22stile%22]%3B%29%3Bouttarget=openlayers It will take a minute or so to load. It mostly affects unclassified and tertiary roads, which is probably why it is not being reported through map dust. But I have already fixed a few on primary and trunk roads. My solution has been to move the stile node away from the road slightly and create a short section of path to link back to the road. I am gradually working through the problem and will carry on until it is fixed, but am wondering. Is there a list of pitfalls for new user that this can be added to? Is it something that can be added to keep-rights list of problems? Thanks Phil ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
