Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 23 Jan 2013 23:22, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2013, Kevin Peat wrote: The Converted kml file for Devon on this page: http://www.rowmaps.com/kmls/DN/ Great, thanks. Each path has a name, e.g.: DN Seaton Footpath 2 It would help if you gave the names of some of the paths you have problems with. Sorry, I should have asked this earlier If you look at DN Dartmouth Bridleway 1 with the OS map background you can see it is offset a little to the south. As I said before not a big deal. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 23 January 2013 19:38, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: No extra designation tag is needed in my opinion. If they are on the authorities list of streets, then they are legally exactly the same as any other road. Therefore highway=unclassified would be fine. The issue arises when they are not well maintained, narrow, or not suitable for some larger vehicles. We really need some way of identifying this in a tag so that routing engines can suggest an alternative route. I guess some people may use highway=track to make a distinction, but I'm not convinced this is right... I would use the highway tag to record the physical condition/appearance of the highway in the case where it's not maintained to the standard one would expect from a normal road. So if it looks like a farm track, I would use highway=track; and if it looks like a service road, I'd use highway=service. To capture the legal status, I'd then add a suitable designation tag -- designation=unclassified_highway (assuming that is indeed the case). To capture the access rights (which data consumers may well not infer correctly from the designation tag) I'd also add an access=yes. (There may also be edge cases where one of these public highways is subject to a traffic regulation order which might ban motorised vehicles for all or some of the time. In which case it might be appropriate to add motor_vehicle=no or something like motor_vehicle:conditional=no @ Sep-Mar in addition to the general access=yes tag.) This way of doing the tagging is consistent with what is commonly already done with Public Rights of Way. The highway=* tag records the physical appearance of the way (footway, track, road, etc.), the designation=* tag gives the official status, and access tags can be used record the allowable users in a more standard manner. If you also want to record more detail about the condition / surface of the way, the tracktype=* and surface=* tags may also be useful (see the wiki for details). Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 24 January 2013 09:09, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: highway=track, access=yes, designation=unclassified_highway ...makes sense to me for those I have seen. These tracks have no signage at all but clearly there are public access rights which would be nice to reflect in osm. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On Thu, 24 Jan 2013, Kevin Peat wrote: If you look at DN Dartmouth Bridleway 1 with the OS map background you can see it is offset a little to the south. Following some e-mail exchanges with Devon County Council, on 23rd December I corrected a few errors in the metadata of a few routes. Unfortunately, at the same time I introduced the error that you detected. Sorry about that. I've now fixed the maps, the KML files and the GeoJSON files. Please can you confirm that the routes are now better. Thanks. -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.rowmaps.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 24 Jan 2013, at 09:09, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: This way of doing the tagging is consistent with what is commonly already done with Public Rights of Way. The highway=* tag records the physical appearance of the way (footway, track, road, etc.), the designation=* tag gives the official status, and access tags can be used record the allowable users in a more standard manner. If you also want to record more detail about the condition / surface of the way, the tracktype=* and surface=* tags may also be useful (see the wiki for details). Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? I've been adding them across the paths / tracks I regularly walk, but it's hard to spot where I've missed them, and I'm sure I've missed loads. Also, slightly more tangentially - I recall a conversation a little while ago, when I was too busy to respond, around barrier=* becoming rendered at lower zoom levels - is there any movement on that, as I'd be very much in favour of it. Thanks in advance, Adam___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England and Wales) BTW my contribution to the whole ORPA debate is that we need it in designation or similar, as I also believe highway should be the physical status. Most ORPAS are highway=track or path, but that does not incorporate their ORPA-ness. Seeing as they are not signposted in the main (though W Sussex and the Lake District NPA appear to sign them as public way) I have used suspected=orpa in the past. Nick ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 24 January 2013 14:28, Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com wrote: Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there somewhere that already exists that renders designations? Since the public rights of way tagging using designation=* is a very British (actually English and Welsh) thing, I doubt it will ever be rendered on the main OSM map. :-( However, depending on what you're interested in, there's a nice view from ITO that highlights ways tagged with the main PRoW designation tags: http://www.itoworld.com/map/87#fullscreen Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 24 Jan 2013 11:38, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: Please can you confirm that the routes are now better... Thanks for that. I'll check it out and let you know (will probably be tomorrow now). Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
On 24 Jan 2013 15:02, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: Since the public rights of way tagging using designation=* is a very British (actually English and Welsh) thing, I doubt it will ever be rendered on the main OSM map. :-( I don't really see why that would be the case. There must be quite a few tags that are only popular in single countries but that still get rendered. Using designation for legal status effectively deprecates highway=byway and highway=bridleway so if the standard map renders don't keep up they wont be much use for countryside users. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
