Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-26 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:24:44 +
John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote:

Hello John,

In one case, the location of the path is clear, because it runs between 
two walls and the green Public Footpath signs are present, but a 
section of it has become completely and densely overgrown with
brambles. It also has a large pile of earth obstructing it, which makes
me wonder whether the obstruction is deliberate. It's been like this
for at least a couple of years.

Report it to the relevant PRoW Officer.  The landowner should be forced
to maintain the Way.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-26 Thread Jonathan Harley

On 26/01/13 14:41, Brad Rogers wrote:

John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote:

In one case, the location of the path is clear, because it runs between
two walls and the green Public Footpath signs are present, but a
section of it has become completely and densely overgrown with
brambles. It also has a large pile of earth obstructing it, which makes
me wonder whether the obstruction is deliberate. It's been like this
for at least a couple of years.


Report it to the relevant PRoW Officer.  The landowner should be forced
to maintain the Way.



Actually, AIUI, the landowner can't be forced to, but if the landowner 
won't reinstate and clear the path, the council must. The council can 
then charge the full cost of them doing so to the landowner - which is 
likely to be far more than if the landowner did it. The threat alone is 
almost always enough to get them to do it. But occasionally, I suppose, 
the landowner can't be tracked down. The local authority still has to 
keep PRoWs open.


Also you don't need to figure out, yourself, who the PRoW officer is - 
just contact the highways department of the local authority.


J.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Invisible/impassable rights-of-way

2013-01-26 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 14:56:53 +
Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net wrote:

Hello Jonathan,

Actually, AIUI, the landowner can't be forced to, but if the landowner 
won't reinstate and clear the path, the council must. The council can 
then charge the full cost of them doing so to the landowner - which is 
likely to be far more than if the landowner did it. The threat alone is 

I'm sure it would cost a good deal more.  My understanding appears to be
flawed, too.

Also you don't need to figure out, yourself, who the PRoW officer is - 
just contact the highways department of the local authority.

Good point, well made.

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Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-26 Thread Nick Whitelegg

OK should have both Oxfordshire and Bucks now. (discovered the latter was also 
on geofabrik)

It may take some time to render first time you try somewhere out, as it's got 
to generate the geojson from the database... but the geojson is now cached 
making it much faster on subsequent requests.

Nick

-Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com wrote: -
To: talk-gb Talk-GB talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
From: Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com
Date: 25/01/2013 10:18AM
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance foradding  
PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)


On 24 Jan 2013, at 14:34, Nick Whitelegg wrote:

Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation 
tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there 
somewhere that already exists that renders designations? 

Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England and 
Wales)

sad to say it doesn't appear to cover the chilterns - I think it might have 
done a while ago, but not now :'(

On 24 Jan 2013, at 15:01, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

Since the public rights of way tagging using designation=* is a very
British (actually English and Welsh) thing, I doubt it will ever be
rendered on the main OSM map. :-(

I'm sure you're probably correct, but are we sure designation doesn't apply 
outside of the UK? I think it's worth pursuing - anyone know what the process 
is to request it's added - it would add some much value to the UK map that I 
really do think it's worth making the case to have it added.

However, depending on what you're interested in, there's a nice view
from ITO that highlights ways tagged with the main PRoW designation
tags:
http://www.itoworld.com/map/87#fullscreen

That's awesome, although depressingly it shows just how few I have actually 
managed to tag with a designation :'(

Thanks all!

Adam
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Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)

2013-01-26 Thread Nick Whitelegg

Sorry - to follow that up, contours aren't available for the whole of the area. 
I'll try and sort this out but might be some time as I don't have the files to 
hand.

Nick

-Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: -
To: Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com
From: Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk
Date: 26/01/2013 03:32PM
Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance foradding  
PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)


OK should have both Oxfordshire and Bucks now. (discovered the latter was also 
on geofabrik)

It may take some time to render first time you try somewhere out, as it's got 
to generate the geojson from the database... but the geojson is now cached 
making it much faster on subsequent requests.

Nick

-Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com wrote: -
To: talk-gb Talk-GB talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
From: Adam Hoyle adam.li...@dotankstudios.com
Date: 25/01/2013 10:18AM
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding 
PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)


On 24 Jan 2013, at 14:34, Nick Whitelegg wrote:

Not entirely tangential question - Is there any chance that the designation 
tag will be rendered in the default mapnik anytime soon / ever? Or is there 
somewhere that already exists that renders designations? 

Yes - www.free-map.org.uk. (at least for southern and northern England and 
Wales)

sad to say it doesn't appear to cover the chilterns - I think it might have 
done a while ago, but not now :'(

On 24 Jan 2013, at 15:01, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:

Since the public rights of way tagging using designation=* is a very
British (actually English and Welsh) thing, I doubt it will ever be
rendered on the main OSM map. :-(

I'm sure you're probably correct, but are we sure designation doesn't apply 
outside of the UK? I think it's worth pursuing - anyone know what the process 
is to request it's added - it would add some much value to the UK map that I 
really do think it's worth making the case to have it added.

However, depending on what you're interested in, there's a nice view
from ITO that highlights ways tagged with the main PRoW designation
tags:
http://www.itoworld.com/map/87#fullscreen

That's awesome, although depressingly it shows just how few I have actually 
managed to tag with a designation :'(

Thanks all!

Adam
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