[Talk-GB] elsan_points
User richardwest and a few others added a few Elsan Points along Canals in the UK: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2591597652/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2755755468/ https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2891630633/ I've checked with Richard about this, to make sure the current tagging can cover the use case. It can. I'm seeking additional local input on this tagging. Similar facilities outside the UK have been retagged to the sanitary_dump_station scheme. Any UK edit will be node-by-node, not mechanical. No Canal River Trust google map will be copied, though it's a shame the CRT data is not available to OpenStreetMap. My goal with the edits are, over time, to prepare this feature for acceptance in rendering. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
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It is a while since I have reported a footpath issue. Their reporting website now provides openstreetmap as a map layer which is good to see.They offer the standard OSM layer and also a walking layer. The latter is unforunatley the cycleing layer which doesn't really do the map data justice in the context of a walking map.OS remains the default. Regards Dudley ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I've checked with Richard about this, to make sure the current tagging can cover the use case. Most canal-side/marina-side are accessed-protected using a 'BWB' key; but not all (Atherstone top lock comes to mind). Some points have not suitable for self-pumpout usage (I believe those that simply empty into a septic tank). I admit I hadn't really focused on adding these facilities these because of a long-term hope of obtaining the dataset from BWB/CRT---but if that happens it looks like it's going to require quite a bit of checking/correcting anyway (taking the example above, CRT have it on the wrong side of the canal): https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/directory/603/elsan-atherstone-lock-1-footbridge -Paul ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points
On 21/04/2015 08:01, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I'm seeking additional local input on this tagging. Elsan is simply a trade name for a chemical toilet (likewise Portapotti). So your cassette tagging covers these use cases. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points
On 21/04/2015 10:01, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: In the UK is the Elsan trade name used for both the mobile toilet and the fixed spot to empty it? It appears the intent of the elsan_point tag in the UK was the later ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tELRMqFZKM ). Yes. This dates from the days when Elsan had the market to themselves in UK, so elsan became the generic term for any chemical toilet (This also happened with vacuum cleaners Hoover - we still refer to any vacuum cleaner as ‘a hoover’). So the word elsan made its way onto the signage for chemical toilet emptying points. --- Note the comparable USA term porta-potty refers to a portable chemical toilet with no separate cassette (usually dragged by trailer to events, construction activity, or in camping areas without sewer access). Note the spelling: “Porta Potti” is a trade name of the Thetford Corporation and refers their chemical toilet products. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Paul Sladen o...@paul.sladen.org mailto:o...@paul.sladen.org wrote: Most canal-side/marina-side are accessed-protected using a 'BWB' key; There also seems to be a card: https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/boating/navigating-the-waterways/services-for-boats/how-to-buy-your-pump-out-card I'm not sure which OSM mapped elsan_points are part of the CRT key system, but the network tag was designed for use by someone who does. Waterside facilities provided by CRT (previously known as British Waterways Board - BWB) are accessed by use of a key issued to all waterway license holders. Chemical toilet emptying points are usually within these facilities. Pump-out stations, on the other hand, are necessarily outside usage is controlled by pre-paid charge cards which activate the pump. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote: On 21/04/2015 08:01, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I'm seeking additional local input on this tagging. Elsan is simply a trade name for a chemical toilet (likewise Portapotti). So your cassette tagging covers these use cases. In the UK is the Elsan trade name used for both the mobile toilet and the fixed spot to empty it? It appears the intent of the elsan_point tag in the UK was the later ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tELRMqFZKM ). --- Note the comparable USA term porta-potty refers to a portable chemical toilet with no separate cassette (usually dragged by trailer to events, construction activity, or in camping areas without sewer access). On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Paul Sladen o...@paul.sladen.org wrote: Most canal-side/marina-side are accessed-protected using a 'BWB' key; There also seems to be a card: https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/boating/navigating-the-waterways/services-for-boats/how-to-buy-your-pump-out-card I'm not sure which OSM mapped elsan_points are part of the CRT key system, but the network tag was designed for use by someone who does. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] elsan_points
Malcome Herring wrote:
Waterside facilities provided by CRT (previously known as British
Waterways Board - BWB) are accessed by use of a key issued to all waterway
license holders. Chemical toilet emptying points are usually within these
facilities. Pump-out stations, on the other hand, are necessarily outside
usage is controlled by pre-paid charge cards which activate the pump.
Are what's presently tagged elsan_point *both* walk up toilets *and* CDP
chemical holding tank emptying points?
And do they welcome waste originating from Elsan-based motorhomes as well
as canal boats?
In tagging form does this represent a typical station?
amenity=toilets
network=CRT
access=key
toilets:disposal={flush/chemical/pitlatrine}
+
waterway=sanitary_dump_station
sanitary_dump_station:basin=yes
network=CRT
access=key
Also note that based on feedback from a German tagger, the cassette tag
name changed to basin.
Marine pumpouts of course are separate:
waterway=sanitary_dump_station
payment:crt_prepaid:yes
payment:cash=no
sanitary_dump_station:pump-out=yes
sanitary_dump_station:rinse_water=yes
seamark:small_craft_facility:category = water;pump-out
note=Self service prohibited, see Marina attendant
Note that *porta-potty *is also a trade name, which has also become a
generic like Hoover, Xerox and Crescent Wrench. In the USA it refers only
to the walk up toilets.
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