Re: [Talk-GB] Listed status / scheduled monument

[Jez Nicholson]

I believe that the Listed Buildings refs are fairly old. The whole thing
might warrant a revisit, and perhaps a Quarterly Project?

I would be happy for a new-style ref:GB:he (or similar) and an automated
edit. After discussion obviously.

On Sat, 26 Sep 2020, 20:57 Dave Dunford,  wrote:

> The most logical and consistent scheme would seem to me to be - contrary
> to Key:listed_status
>  and
> established consensus:
>
> <*heritage*_status=Scheduled Monument> (which would also work for
> , etc.)
>  (in line with other numeric referencing systems; my
> understanding is that HE don't use any other number systems, though you
> sometimes see their pre-NHLE numbers quoted, which could be tagged
> appropriately)
>
>  feels internally contradictory.
>  is inconsistent with other referencing schemes.
>
> But it's an awfully well-established consensus...
>
> Incidentally, some structures are both Listed Buildings and Scheduled
> Monuments (notably crosses and bridges, in my experience), or you get
> Listed Buildings (defined by HE as a single point) within scheduled
> monuments (defined by HE as an area). Yours is a case in point: the Priory
> building is a Grade I listed building (
> https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1062210) and
> the Priory Farmhouse is Grade II (
> https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1360390) and
> both are within the area defined as a scheduled monument.
>
> Third observation - whatever we do, we should t call them "Scheduled
> Monuments" as HE do, rather than the dated "Scheduled Ancient Monuments"
> (quite a lot of them - e.g. Victorian lead mines in my part of the world -
> aren't that ancient).
>
> Dave 
>
> On 26/09/2020 13:43, Edward Bainton wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I'd like to map St Leonard's Priory, Stamford, Lincs:
> https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1007690
>
> This is a 'scheduled monument'.
>
>1. The wiki is a bit inconsistent on *how to tag* this.
>   1. Key:listed_status
>   
>   suggests I should tag it .
>   2. The table at Key:HE_ref
>    would suggest that
>   may not be the right tag, as  is only given for listed
>   buildings - a different legal category.
>   3. I've found plenty of the former in the map, so I'm assuming
>   that's correct and the table at HE_ref needs amplifying
>
>   2. I've also got a puzzle about *how to give the ref. number*.
>   1. Key:listed_status
>    invites
>   me to use .
>   2. Key:heritage
>    invites
>   me to use 
>
>   I've tried using overpass-turbo to get relative frequencies of
>   those two tags. I get the following (for most but not all of England, so
>   ymmv: north of ~Barnard Castle not in my bounding box, but that wasn't a
>   political decision...).
>
>   I can't interpret it fully, but it looks like ref:he may be worth
>   deleting from the wiki as obsolete?
>
>   *HE_ref=**
>   Loaded – nodes: 46397, ways: 5541, relations: 124
>   Displayed – pois: 591, lines: 634, polygons: 4770
>
>   *ref:he=**
>   Loaded – nodes: 2274, ways: 176, relations: 1
>   Displayed – pois: 31, lines: 10, polygons: 166
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Edward / eteb3
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Andrew Hain]

Keep Right flags web links that have gone offline.

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From: Philip Barnes 
Sent: 27 September 2020 18:49
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing 
URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:
Hi all,

First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and to thank 
you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!

After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as a 
contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.

Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with a proposal 
and, although I have done my best reading the community conventions and best 
practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes on the way. Be merciful! :P

To the point now.

I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with amenity:pub) for a 
pet project.

When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a website: 
tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema (http/https).

Ie: www.mypub.com rather than http://www.mypub.com or 
https://www.mypub.com

This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for 
website.

I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these nodes to 
find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag the nodes.

I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it 
here.

Just wanted to share the proposal with the UK community, gather your feedback, 
comments and advises on how to proceed from here

One issue I can think of with pubs and websites is that they need checking to 
ensure they are still current.

The defacto method most pubs use to communicate with customers is facebook.

A more general fix of urls missing http(s)://, why only pubs?.  is probably a 
maproulette quest.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Philip Barnes]

On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 16:28 +0100, Rodrigo Díez Villamuera wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and
> to thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!
> 
> After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step
> as a contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.
> 
> Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with
> a proposal and, although I have done my best reading the community
> conventions and best practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes
> on the way. Be merciful! :P
> 
> To the point now.
> 
> I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with
> amenity:pub) for a pet project.
> 
> When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a
> website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema
> (http/https).
> 
> Ie: www.mypub.com rather than http://www.mypub.com or 
> https://www.mypub.com
> 
> This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for website.
> 
> I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these
> nodes to find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag
> the nodes.
> 
> I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it
> here.
> 
> Just wanted to share the proposal with the UK community, gather your
> feedback, comments and advises on how to proceed from here
> 
One issue I can think of with pubs and websites is that they need
checking to ensure they are still current. 

The defacto method most pubs use to communicate with customers is
facebook.

A more general fix of urls missing http(s)://, why only pubs?.  is
probably a maproulette quest.

Phil (trigpoint)


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[Talk-GB] Hello world and automated change proposal: Add missing URL scheme on UK's Pubs websites

[Rodrigo Díez Villamuera]

Hi all,

First of all, I would like to introduce myself on this email list and to
thank you all for your contributions to OSM. Great work!

After some time using OSM as a user, I decided to make my first step as a
contributor, hence this email and the proposal inside.

Please bear in mind that this is my first attempt to contribute with a
proposal and, although I have done my best reading the community
conventions and best practices, I am sure I have made some mistakes on the
way. Be merciful! :P

To the point now.

I am importing a subset of nodes from UK (those tagged with amenity:pub)
for a pet project.

When analysing the data I realised that some of these nodes contain a
website: tag that does not contain an appropriate URL schema (http/https).

Ie: www.mypub.com rather than http://www.mypub.com or https://www.mypub.com

This goes in contradiction with the Wiki documentation for website.


I created a proposal for a one-off, scoped, automated edit for these nodes
to find the appropiate scheme for the existing URL and retag the nodes.

I added the proposal to the Automated edits log. You can read it here

.

Just wanted to share the proposal with the UK community, gather your
feedback, comments and advises on how to proceed from here

Thanks in advance!








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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #531 2020-09-15-2020-09-21

[weeklyteam]

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 531,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

 https://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/13784/

Enjoy! 

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