I believe that the Listed Buildings refs are fairly old. The whole thing might warrant a revisit, and perhaps a Quarterly Project?
I would be happy for a new-style ref:GB:he (or similar) and an automated edit. After discussion obviously. On Sat, 26 Sep 2020, 20:57 Dave Dunford, <[email protected]> wrote: > The most logical and consistent scheme would seem to me to be - contrary > to Key:listed_status > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status#England> and > established consensus: > > <*heritage*_status=Scheduled Monument> (which would also work for > <heritage_status=Grade I>, etc.) > <ref:he=*> (in line with other numeric referencing systems; my > understanding is that HE don't use any other number systems, though you > sometimes see their pre-NHLE numbers quoted, which could be tagged > appropriately) > > <listed_status=Scheduled Monument> feels internally contradictory. > <HE_ref=*> is inconsistent with other referencing schemes. > > But it's an awfully well-established consensus... > > Incidentally, some structures are both Listed Buildings and Scheduled > Monuments (notably crosses and bridges, in my experience), or you get > Listed Buildings (defined by HE as a single point) within scheduled > monuments (defined by HE as an area). Yours is a case in point: the Priory > building is a Grade I listed building ( > https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1062210) and > the Priory Farmhouse is Grade II ( > https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1360390) and > both are within the area defined as a scheduled monument. > > Third observation - whatever we do, we should t call them "Scheduled > Monuments" as HE do, rather than the dated "Scheduled Ancient Monuments" > (quite a lot of them - e.g. Victorian lead mines in my part of the world - > aren't that ancient). > > Dave <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status#England> > > On 26/09/2020 13:43, Edward Bainton wrote: > > Hi all > > I'd like to map St Leonard's Priory, Stamford, Lincs: > https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1007690 > > This is a 'scheduled monument'. > > 1. The wiki is a bit inconsistent on *how to tag* this. > 1. Key:listed_status > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status#England> > suggests I should tag it <listed_status=Scheduled Monument>. > 2. The table at Key:HE_ref > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:HE_ref> would suggest that > may not be the right tag, as <listed_status=*> is only given for listed > buildings - a different legal category. > 3. I've found plenty of the former in the map, so I'm assuming > that's correct and the table at HE_ref needs amplifying > > 2. I've also got a puzzle about *how to give the ref. number*. > 1. Key:listed_status > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status#England> invites > me to use <HE_ref=*>. > 2. Key:heritage > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:heritage#England> invites > me to use <ref:he=*> > > I've tried using overpass-turbo to get relative frequencies of > those two tags. I get the following (for most but not all of England, so > ymmv: north of ~Barnard Castle not in my bounding box, but that wasn't a > political decision...). > > I can't interpret it fully, but it looks like ref:he may be worth > deleting from the wiki as obsolete? > > *HE_ref=** > Loaded – nodes: 46397, ways: 5541, relations: 124 > Displayed – pois: 591, lines: 634, polygons: 4770 > > *ref:he=** > Loaded – nodes: 2274, ways: 176, relations: 1 > Displayed – pois: 31, lines: 10, polygons: 166 > > Thanks for any help. > > Edward / eteb3 > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing > [email protected]https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-GB mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >
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