Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Dennis Bauszus]

Yes. We do have hosting. Geolytix is sponsoring a 1GB cloud server with 
DigitalOcean. I have setup the one-click wordpress site for now but we 
can of course setup any combination of apps on that server.



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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

[Dennis Bauszus]

On 01/07/2016 13:27, Christian Ledermann wrote:

I'd also like to see an aggregator like http://planetpython.org/ or
http://planet.plone.org/
to have a central place where all UK OSM related blogs are consolidated
which could be integrated in the main website (see http://iwlearn.net/news)

As an aside I've been developing websites (most of them with a strong community
background) for a living for over 10 years.


On 1 July 2016 at 13:12, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:

It very much depends what the focus of the website is and how it is
going to be used.
From a sysadmins point of view i am weary about wordpress (or joomla,
drupal) because
it requires constant vigilance to install the latest version and
patches, which are quite frequent
so the initial setup time becomes a moot point over the lifetime of a website.


Before I jump to conclusions which technology to suggest it would be
nice to gather requirements
so an informed decision can be made.


On 1 July 2016 at 11:43, Harry Wood  wrote:

I'm interested in helping out with an OSM UK website. I have a few ideas.

Actually the thing I'm most interested in is what you're touching on here. I'm 
keen to avoid a situation where we have a website festering unmaintained, or 
even just having niggling things wrong with it, and no way for me to 
pro-actively fix them.

Being easy to use, as an admin, is good...  however that doesn't help somebody 
who's not an admin. Given our large group of (quite a lot of tech savvy) UK 
OSmers, the contribution model of wordpress might feel a bit restrictive. In 
fact I've felt this frustration with some of the past SOTM websites. It's not 
so good for allowing the wider community to pro-actively fix a niggle.

I guess what I'm saying is... I'm happy with wordpress as long as I am one of 
the admins :-)

A git repo approach is quite a neat contribution model for this kind of thing. 
But yeah it's not as easy as editing wordpress. If Rob is going to be the most 
pro-active maintainer, and he's not comfortable with github, then that's 
certainly a problem with that idea.

I'm imagining an OSM UK website could be quite heavy on syndicated content. It 
could copy in and present these mailing list posts, the forum, and even have a 
chatroom (web->IRC). That would help keep it fresh, and relevant to our 
community with less onus on a restricted set of admin users (I think this idea is 
a thing we should do regardless of what the rest of the site is built with)

The key messages of the website will of course depend on the other discussion 
we're having here: What are the main goals and key messages of the OSM UK 
organisation/community?

Harry

From: Rob Nickerson 
To: dbaus...@gmail.com; Talk-GB 
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016, 18:50
Subject: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site



Hi Dennis,

Don't worry about hosting issues when comparing the options. The group should 
probably get its own hosting anyway. The Mappa Mercia one is super easy to use 
and that's coming from somebody who is not techy at all.

To set up the wordpress account all that was needed was to sign in to Webfaction 
dashboard, select "add new application" and then click wordpress. Ta-da a fully 
functional wordpress installation! Since then we added an application for simple (static) 
pages. This is how we drive the maps on mappa-mercia.org.


Key things is that whatever we do it is easy to use. The old mappa-mercia site 
wasn't and we were dependent on one person. When he left the site died. 
Similarly the current state of the map website is github pages system and is 
too techie for me. This is frustrating as I now rely on one or two people to do 
the updates. You need the barrier to be low so that as many people as possible 
can be involved with keeping it maintained.



Rob

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I have setup a wordpress site.

http://osmuk.org/

Please drop me a mail if you want to become an editor and start posting 
or an administrator and help with the general layout.


Best,
Dennis

Re: [Talk-GB] OSMUK local chapter

[Dennis Bauszus]

On 29/06/2016 19:57, Rob Nickerson wrote:

So here is my 100 day plan (the first general meeting is a given so not
included here):

1. Create a portal for discussion and decision making.

I hate to tell you but talk-gb sucks. In fact mailing lists in general
suck. They work well for techy people but don't appeal to Aunty Jane. If
we want to expand our community beyond our current group we need to
appeal to a less techy audience. Several months ago I looked at all
sorts of platforms many of which are great for discussions and sharing
info (e.g. slack, fleep, gitter, facebook) but very few are good for
group decision making. If we want this project to be a group one (and we
should) rather than a director project then a decision making tool will
help.

I recommend Loomio and it is therefore my first 100 day task. We can
host on their site (like the OSMF do) or self host.

Any volunteers for self hosting? See:
https://github.com/loomio/loomio-deploy

I will set a group up in a few days unless somebody offers to deploy to
their server.


2. Run a competition for ideas (with money to pay for their implementation)

Once a discussion and decision making tool has been set up lets share
ideas. Give a certain amount of time and then pick a winner! The
following are essentially my suggestions to such a competition.


3. Website
We need to start thinking about our website. Whatever we develop has to
cover off our objectives. A big front page map (like openstreetmap.org
) will not in my opinion do that. I prefer a
website such as http://switch2osm.org , http://openstreetmap.de/ , or
http://mappa-mercia.org

Do others agree?


4. Promote the quarterly projects
We've seen that these can be successful but we need a crack team of
people to help promote these. Let's set up such a team.


5. Regional champions
We need to spread the work. If we could have a Chairperson committed to
OSM UK as their day job then great. If not, then let's split the work
and build a community of regional champions.


6. Get a newsletter going
We've set one of these up for State of the Map (via mailchimp) and now
have over 500 people subscribed. Communication requires ongoing work but
I'd put it in the list of top few tasks.


7. Buy some equipment and loan it out.
OSM previously loaned out GPS devices. We could do the same but expand
it to GoPro cameras (for mapillary style mapping), laser distance
measuring devices (useful for building heights), etc..


Regards,
*Rob*


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I agree with Rob. Maillists are terrible. For all the good which OSGB 
does, outreach is certainly not a mailchimp strength.


I still believe that a community blog is the way forward at this stage. 
There are poll and mail widgets on blogger or wordpress. I personally 
prefer blogger as it is already hosted but we can also host a free 
wordpress blog on OpenShift. We can also host a wiki but do we have 
enough content to justify a wiki. This is probably something for further 
down the line. Static websites are good for companies but not really for 
a community organisation.


There are poll and mail list widgets on blogger. Other javascript 
widgets are also available.


I actually just created a poll for the most suitable web platform for OSMUK.

- Community Blog (blogger)
- Static Webpage
- Wiki
- Loomio
- Slack (i don't really get it)
- Maillist (talk-gb)

Have a look and vote on

https://osmuk.blogspot.co.uk/

Please drop me a mail if you want to be a moderator and post stuff. It 
would be nice if people give it a try and post some information. Rob, 
can you post your roadmap please?


Being tied up with work myself right now but plan to do a post about the 
OSM projects my company is currently doing.


I can also sort out a maillist widget for OSMUK next week.

Best,
Dennis


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK chapter

[Dennis Bauszus]

Hi guys...

I have setup a blogger blog.

https://osmuk.blogspot.co.uk/

I believe that a blog will improve the way we can distribute information 
and encourage an active discussion via comments.


I have made comment sections open to everyone but we can lock this down 
to registered users.


I invited osmuk at nomoregrapes.com to become a blog author. I am not 
sure whether a google account is required to be a blog author.


Can you please send me your email addresses if you are interested in 
becoming a blog author and I will send you invites.


I think a post about where we are and what we plan to do in the next few 
months will be helpful.


A post to invite interested person to become founding members is also a 
good idea. We can thereafter send a link to some organisations who might 
be interested (e.g. Universities, GIS companies).


Cheers,
Dennis


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK chapter

[Dennis Bauszus]

Have the number and password for the conference call this evening 
already been passed out?


Dennis


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Re: [Talk-GB] UK chapter

[Dennis Bauszus]

I also missed the previous conference call due to a deadline. Will sit 
in again tomorrow evening.


I have reminded a few people to sign up as founding members. I would 
also recommend to contact GIS teachers at UK universities. I recently 
participated in a careers talk for first year GIS students and the 
knowledge on OSM is poor. It is imperative to gather interest at the 
grass root to really support the project.


I will contact colleagues at King's College, University London, Kingston 
University. Perhaps everyone should contact academic peers if you have 
some here in the UK.


I am web developer and would be happy to setup a website for OSM UK in 
future. My company Geolytix can host this site on one of our shared 
DigitalOcean cloud server or we can host the site on an Openshift gear.


To start with it would be great to have a wordspace blog in which we can 
post weekly, meeting updates and notes and also improve access to an 
open discussion via the comments section.


Cheers,
Dennis


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Re: [Talk-GB] Incorrect spelling of "cemetery"

[Dennis Bauszus]

Unfortunately there are quite a few spelling mistakes in the keys.

I investigated the shops keys recently and found among others:

toolhire, gereral, keycutting, manacure, bppkmaker, car stufff, 
convienience, etc.



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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Chapter update

[Dennis Bauszus]

Hi everyone,

We would like to be part of the UK Chapter of OSM and are happy to 
discuss sponsoring.


I am working for Geolytix http://geolytix.co.uk/ and we are looking into 
means of making OSM the base for our datasets moving gradually away from 
Ordnance Survey Vector Maps.


I am looking forward to participate in the conference call on Thursday.

Best regards,
Dennis Bauszus
GEOLYTIX


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[Talk-gb-london] gmame listing

[Dennis Bauszus]

Hi everyone,
I am new to mail lists and would like to know how I can add the 
talk-gb-london list to my Thunderbird Newsgroups. This list isn't found 
when I search the gmame server for openstreetmap.

Cheers,
Dennis

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