Re: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
I wonder how motorway services get their post delivered. If they have a
letter box, must they have a postcode and therefore a street address? I
know in NL motorways sometimes have official names for this purpose, to
fulfill referential integrity requirements. Typically it is something
obvious like M1 Northbound but it is in the official street name
register.
Colin
On 2014-11-19 08:50, Andy Robinson wrote:
When I put the M6Toll in I named it originally Midlands Expressway as that's
the name it had right through till the DfT/Secretary of State decided it
should be branded M6Toll.
Plenty of similar examples, such as the Preston Bypass which formed an early
part of the M6.
Where these names are no longer used on the ground then a former_name tag
would be appropriate.
Cheers
Andy
FROM: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl]
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Most of the names in the South East seem to have been added by two
(prolific) specific mappers. Has anyone asked them about their source and
motivation? It would sound fair to consult them and hear them out.
Having said that, one of the top rules in my mkgmap[1] style is
highway=motorway {delete name;}...
Colin
[1] mkgmap produces Garmin satnav maps from OSM, in case anyone is wondering
On 2014-11-19 02:12, Andrew Black wrote:
There is some evidence of these names being used when the roads were built
eg
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1459443 [2]
South Wales Motorway (M4): Chiswick to Langley Special Road; contract for
Boston Manor Bridge
But I don't think they are useful now.
On 18 Nov 2014 23:49, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18/11/2014 23:06, SomeoneElse wrote:
There's a similar issue a bit further out, the Slough-Maidenhead By-Pass:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81517663 [3]
http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?osl_id=18177 [4]
Again that sounds like a description; I've never seen that sign on the M4.
Slough By-Pass is used on OS maps from 1964 to 1975:
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/498008/178760 [5]
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Re: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
On 19/11/14 08:32, Colin Smale wrote: must they have a postcode and therefore a street address Post codes don't have to have street addresses. Some are used for box numbers and there are, I think, two postcode regions, BX being one, that have no geographic locality. However, the service area I just checked did have a postcode and that postcode is against the name of the service road for the industrial estate that it is on. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
They all have a service access road from the local road network so they are
probably addressed from these. So, for instance, the address of Welcome Break
Corley Services on the M6 is
M6 Motorway, Jct 3/4
Highfield Lane
Coventry
Warwickshire
CV7 8NR
With Highfield Lane being the local bit.
However there may be different addresses for each side in many cases where
there are separate delivery points (especially where there is no access across
the motorway between services)
Cheers
Andy
From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 19 November 2014 08:33
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
I wonder how motorway services get their post delivered. If they have a letter
box, must they have a postcode and therefore a street address? I know in NL
motorways sometimes have official names for this purpose, to fulfill
referential integrity requirements. Typically it is something obvious like M1
Northbound but it is in the official street name register.
Colin
On 2014-11-19 08:50, Andy Robinson wrote:
When I put the M6Toll in I named it originally Midlands Expressway as that's
the name it had right through till the DfT/Secretary of State decided it should
be branded M6Toll.
Plenty of similar examples, such as the Preston Bypass which formed an early
part of the M6.
Where these names are no longer used on the ground then a former_name tag would
be appropriate.
Cheers
Andy
From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 19 November 2014 07:21
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
Most of the names in the South East seem to have been added by two (prolific)
specific mappers. Has anyone asked them about their source and motivation? It
would sound fair to consult them and hear them out.
Having said that, one of the top rules in my mkgmap[1] style is
highway=motorway {delete name;}...
Colin
[1] mkgmap produces Garmin satnav maps from OSM, in case anyone is wondering
On 2014-11-19 02:12, Andrew Black wrote:
There is some evidence of these names being used when the roads were built eg
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1459443
South Wales Motorway (M4): Chiswick to Langley Special Road; contract for
Boston Manor Bridge
But I don't think they are useful now.
On 18 Nov 2014 23:49, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18/11/2014 23:06, SomeoneElse wrote:
There's a similar issue a bit further out, the Slough-Maidenhead By-Pass:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81517663
http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?osl_id=18177
Again that sounds like a description; I've never seen that sign on the M4.
Slough By-Pass is used on OS maps from 1964 to 1975:
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/498008/178760
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Re: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
On Tue, 18 Nov 2014, SomeoneElse wrote: A welsh stretch of M4 is apparently named Mr: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24272190/history Looks like a typo, M4 vs. Mr — the r is just one key off the 4 on my keyboard. cheers, Derick___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
There seem to be quite a few GB motorways in OSM with names, and some of those names don't look very plausible. For example, there's: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/37906957 This is the M4 past Heathrow and apparently it is named the Chiswick to Langley Special Road. That name seems to originate here: http://www.ciht.org.uk/motorway/m4chisslou.htm It's possible that this name was used as a description of the original development project, but I've never heard it used as an actual _name_ for this section of M4. According to musical chairs, the local authority don't think that it has a name either: http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?osl_id=846864 There's a similar issue a bit further out, the Slough-Maidenhead By-Pass: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81517663 http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?osl_id=18177 Again that sounds like a description; I've never seen that sign on the M4. The M27 is allegedly the South Coast Motorway http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/77680006 http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?osl_id=17958 It certainly didn't have signs up saying that the last time that I was there. A welsh stretch of M4 is apparently named Mr: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/24272190/history Obviously some names ARE in common use: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/2287 (and a selection of bridges, and also bits of A1M could plausibly still be thought of as Great North Road). The overpass query, by the way, is: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/67B I'm sure there are others out there that I haven't found yet. Can anyone think of a valid source for Chiswick to Langley Special Road, Slough-Maidenhead By-Pass, South Coast Motorway, or Mr as names? If not (and if people agree) I'll change the relevant name tag to description (so that nothing gets lost - except for Mr which is surely just a typo). If any is in any sense a valid name but isn't signed I can set name:signed=no as per http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/32826117 so that at least data consumers can filter out not-real names. Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
On 18/11/2014 23:06, SomeoneElse wrote: There's a similar issue a bit further out, the Slough-Maidenhead By-Pass: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81517663 http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?osl_id=18177 Again that sounds like a description; I've never seen that sign on the M4. Slough By-Pass is used on OS maps from 1964 to 1975: https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/498008/178760 -- Steve --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
There is some evidence of these names being used when the roads were built eg http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1459443 South Wales Motorway (M4): Chiswick to Langley Special Road; contract for Boston Manor Bridge But I don't think they are useful now. On 18 Nov 2014 23:49, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: On 18/11/2014 23:06, SomeoneElse wrote: There's a similar issue a bit further out, the Slough-Maidenhead By-Pass: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81517663 http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?osl_id=18177 Again that sounds like a description; I've never seen that sign on the M4. Slough By-Pass is used on OS maps from 1964 to 1975: https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/498008/178760 -- Steve --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
Most of the names in the South East seem to have been added by two
(prolific) specific mappers. Has anyone asked them about their source
and motivation? It would sound fair to consult them and hear them out.
Having said that, one of the top rules in my mkgmap[1] style is
highway=motorway {delete name;}...
Colin
[1] mkgmap produces Garmin satnav maps from OSM, in case anyone is
wondering
On 2014-11-19 02:12, Andrew Black wrote:
There is some evidence of these names being used when the roads were built eg
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1459443 [1]
South Wales Motorway (M4): Chiswick to Langley Special Road; contract for
Boston Manor Bridge
But I don't think they are useful now.
On 18 Nov 2014 23:49, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18/11/2014 23:06, SomeoneElse wrote:
There's a similar issue a bit further out, the Slough-Maidenhead By-Pass:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81517663 [2]
http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?osl_id=18177 [3]
Again that sounds like a description; I've never seen that sign on the M4.
Slough By-Pass is used on OS maps from 1964 to 1975:
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/498008/178760 [4]
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Re: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
When I put the M6Toll in I named it originally Midlands Expressway as that’s
the name it had right through till the DfT/Secretary of State decided it should
be branded M6Toll.
Plenty of similar examples, such as the Preston Bypass which formed an early
part of the M6.
Where these names are no longer used on the ground then a former_name tag would
be appropriate.
Cheers
Andy
From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl]
Sent: 19 November 2014 07:21
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Allegedly named motorways
Most of the names in the South East seem to have been added by two (prolific)
specific mappers. Has anyone asked them about their source and motivation? It
would sound fair to consult them and hear them out.
Having said that, one of the top rules in my mkgmap[1] style is
highway=motorway {delete name;}...
Colin
[1] mkgmap produces Garmin satnav maps from OSM, in case anyone is wondering
On 2014-11-19 02:12, Andrew Black wrote:
There is some evidence of these names being used when the roads were built eg
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1459443
South Wales Motorway (M4): Chiswick to Langley Special Road; contract for
Boston Manor Bridge
But I don't think they are useful now.
On 18 Nov 2014 23:49, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18/11/2014 23:06, SomeoneElse wrote:
There's a similar issue a bit further out, the Slough-Maidenhead By-Pass:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/81517663
http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?osl_id=18177
Again that sounds like a description; I've never seen that sign on the M4.
Slough By-Pass is used on OS maps from 1964 to 1975:
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/498008/178760
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