Re: [Talk-GB] Please do not use Code-Point Open, (postcode) data in OSM
Does this mean that the fantastic postcode mapping by blackadder is now going to be removed: http://blog.mappa-mercia.org/2011/02/whats-in-postcode.html Or has he done enough to create a derived work which is exempt from the licence? Sam From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Cc: Andrew andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk Sent: Thursday, 12 January 2012, 13:57 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Please do not use Code-Point Open, (postcode) data in OSM On 12/01/2012 13:41, Andrew wrote: Michael Collinsonmike@... writes: I regretfully have to relay that while the Ordnance Survey has no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData being released under the Open Database License 1.0, this has to permanently exclude Code-Point Open, (postcode) data. Could you check http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue and make sure the information there is correct as you understand it? Thanks Andrew. It was out of date. I have updated it and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#License Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Please do not use Code-Point Open, (postcode) data in OSM
Michael Collinson mike@... writes: OS data is currently not distributed under UK Open Government Licence but their own license which then incorporates UK Open Government Licence. Their own license includes a downstream attribution clause which OGL does not. Ah - I was going by http://data.gov.uk/dataset/os-code-point-open which seems to indicate the OGL is used. So that web page is not quite correct? CC-BY-SA technically forces map makers to attribute each and every contributor to OSM, ODbL does not. Is it at least possible to combine map data under ODbL with the Code-Point Open data to make a 'map plus postcodes' data set? I am guessing that the answer is no, at least not if you want to distribute that data. ODbL does not require attribution but it might be revised in ODbL 1.1 to allow an attribution requirement to be added by downstream users. Then it would be possible for users of ODbL-licenced maps to combine them with other open data that has an attribution requirement, although sadly such data could not be used to improve OSM itself. (As well as this postcode data set, another example of geodata with attribution requirement is the CommonMap project, a CC-BY licenced map of the world, which was partly intended as a common upstream which several map projects including OSM could take data from.) -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Please do not use Code-Point Open, (postcode) data in OSM
Michael Collinson mike@... writes: I regretfully have to relay that while the Ordnance Survey has no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData being released under the Open Database License 1.0, this has to permanently exclude Code-Point Open, (postcode) data. Could you check http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue and make sure the information there is correct as you understand it? -- Andrew ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Please do not use Code-Point Open, (postcode) data in OSM
On 12/01/2012 13:41, Andrew wrote: Michael Collinsonmike@... writes: I regretfully have to relay that while the Ordnance Survey has no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData being released under the Open Database License 1.0, this has to permanently exclude Code-Point Open, (postcode) data. Could you check http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalogue and make sure the information there is correct as you understand it? Thanks Andrew. It was out of date. I have updated it and added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#License Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Please do not use Code-Point Open, (postcode) data in OSM
I regretfully have to relay that while the Ordnance Survey has no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData being released under the Open Database License 1.0, this has to permanently exclude Code-Point Open, (postcode) data. This was an open issue previously. If anyone wants to take it up, they'd need to go to the head of the commercial licensing team at the Royal Mail. I would like to thank the guys at the OS for the efforts in this matter. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Please do not use Code-Point Open, (postcode) data in OSM
Michael Collinson mike@... writes: I regretfully have to relay that while the Ordnance Survey has no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData being released under the Open Database License 1.0, this has to permanently exclude Code-Point Open, (postcode) data. That data is distributed under the UK Open Government Licence. If that licence does not allow use under ODbL, then the same surely applies to other data released with that licence. I am sure that the Royal Mail commercial licensing people would very much prefer that the open postcode data were more restricted, but that does not mean they can somehow make exceptions to the licence. Could you give more details about what particular permission is needed? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Please do not use Code-Point Open, (postcode) data in OSM
On 11/01/2012 17:39, Ed Avis wrote: Michael Collinsonmike@... writes: I regretfully have to relay that while the Ordnance Survey has no objections to geodata derived in part from OS OpenData being released under the Open Database License 1.0, this has to permanently exclude Code-Point Open, (postcode) data. That data is distributed under the UK Open Government Licence. If that licence does not allow use under ODbL, then the same surely applies to other data released with that licence. I am sure that the Royal Mail commercial licensing people would very much prefer that the open postcode data were more restricted, but that does not mean they can somehow make exceptions to the licence. Could you give more details about what particular permission is needed? Hi Ed, OS data is currently not distributed under UK Open Government Licence but their own license which then incorporates UK Open Government Licence. Their own license includes a downstream attribution clause which OGL does not. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2011-July/011995.html clarifies the Code-point position. CC-BY-SA technically forces map makers to attribute each and every contributor to OSM, ODbL does not. So Albanian school-children should perhaps have to attribute the Royal Mail if they make a map of their school under CC-BY-SA. They do not have to under ODbL and the Royal Mail feels that dilutes their IP. Extreme example but it demonstrates the point. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
