Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:08 AM, p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote: There is really no need to import this type of data in the UK where the mapping culture is to walk/cycle and just go and have a looksee. Well that applies to UK culture in general, choosing to walk is not viewed with suspicion. Imho notes offer an easy to see/navigate to and are visible in osmand. Phil (trigpoint ) The import proposal that triggered the above discussion is now complete. For the UK stations I added map notes for each of the six locations, but none of those were followed up on by UK mappers. The job was finished by my ringing up the reception desk at each of the locations, and asking where the tool stand is. Oddly, nobody thought I was nutters. In contrast the USA import was done by importing the questionable data and adding a map note. That backlog of notes is rapidly dwindling. Most were spot on, some were across the street, almost all were within visual distance. One station was eventually declared MIA and deleted from both OSM and the vendor database. 139 unique users made edits: Adam_Piszczek 1 Agaric 1 AlgunCesar 1 BMEEOFTAI04_BZ2B48 1 Bkrumenauer 1 BrunoRemy 1 CaSalazarR 1 ChaoticMind 2 Chrysopras 1 Claudius Henrichs 2 Der Harry 1 Dero Bike Racks 7 --- vendor -- Didger85 1 Donabel 1 FiroK 1 Fringillus 1 GBGrant 2 Galifardeu 1 Geert De Deckere 1 GeoGladbecker 1 GeoLaci 1 Gianluca Maggiori 1 Graham Jones 2 Gunnar Gissel 1 Irmaodassa 1 JEJackman 11 James Derrick 1 Janjko 1 JasonWoof 2 Jeff McAdams 1 Jesper Henriksen 1 Johancondor 1 Junaid Ahmed 2 Luuuddooo 1 Lübeck 1 M!dgard 1 MKnight 1 Mark McCarhy 1 Michael Bey 1 MikeN 1 Minh Nguyen 1 Nate_Wessel 2 Nessmuk 2 Nick Bolten 1 Ollie 1 Omnific 1 P JDB 1 Paul Johnson 3 Peter Beard 1 Peter Dobratz 3 Pourya Eini 1 RationalTangle 2 RicoElectrico 3 RoadGeek_MD99 1 Roshan shrestha 1 Ryan Lash 1 SK53 1 Severin Kann 10 Sto-Sto 1 Sung Choi 1 Tika Rijal 1 Timothy Smith 1 ToeBee 2 Tumulucc 1 Walter Schlögl 1 Willis92 1 Yevgeny Gromov 1 Yiyi (itwikipedia) 1 Your Village Maps 1 aharvey 2 airdace 1 alesangiorgio 1 andis_project 2 andy51edge 2 bakasana 1 bbmiller 1 brbbl 1 briancartier 1 c-j-b 1 c1pr1an 1 camilacortess9 1 catoblepa 1 chachafish 4 chrismismis 1 dcguj 1 devinpp 1 dhetteix 1 digobike 1 dkunce 1 dolphinling 3 dydychan 1 elyk 1 erjiang 3 evills246 1 facucaldo 1 geigerni 1 geoffengland 1 gnuckx 1 gualtero 1 hadry 2 highflyer74 1 hobbesvsboyle 3 innosaint 2 johanespeter9 1 juan m arroyo 1 jwass 1 kamal_1jr 1 kcmapguy 1 kocio 2 kre3d 2 lasslo 1 luschi 3 marek kleciak 1 marsupilud 1 mccord42 1 midnightcomm 1 mikecc 2 mlayman09 1 nestor delgado 1 neuhausr 2 nunatakGIS 1 panarchos 1 paulo106 1 pnorman 1 rolvtuvom 4 rowisp 1 sa62039 1 sankeytm 3 shamai 1 sq7obj 1 svance92 1 szali 1 szydzio 1 tbsprs 1 treestryder 3 tyr_asd 1 wizz 1 Сергій Дубик 1 I've invited tool stand vendors I know of to contribute additional locations directly to OSM. This is a feature that if you need it, you really want to find the closest one, because almost by definition your bike is not working well. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK
This import is now complete. For the UK the nodes were omitted: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/329258 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK
I'm happy to import *JUST the six notes* if that's preferred, without any node (the node and note are linked in other countries). That's an extra step for the local mapper however. I have actually mapped one of these but have refrained from adding information about the manufacturer for fear that my ground survey will be obliterated by this import. There's no reason to fear. For @SK53 you can safely add brand : this is not an obliterating type of import, it's a conflation. No ground survey data is at risk: quite the contrary ground survey is needed and wanted. For example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/324309 http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/324440 This import is exactly analogous to checking an electronic list of open Tesco locations against those mapped in OSM, except here the list is OdBL licenced. Beyond that, I've reached out to each of the (known to me) vendors of this type of station, offering up OSM as a place to record tool stand locations. I have no commercial relationship with any of them. http://guides.obviously.com/Public-Bicycle-Work-and-Repair-Stands-2/1925 --- So: an import of NOTES instead, with no underlying node data? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK
On 05/03/2015 20:39, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I'm happy to import *JUST the six notes* if that's preferred, without any node Could you have a go at locating these notes a bit better than the previous reverted import (e.g. put the note for the one that says that is in the Swan Hotel in Stafford within the Swan Hotel in Stafford, and not a couple of buildings away, and add the note for the one that already exists in the hospital down south where the node already exists, with suggested extra tags)? Cheers, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 2:26 PM, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 05/03/2015 20:39, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I'm happy to import *JUST the six notes* if that's preferred, without any node Could you have a go at locating these notes a bit better than the previous reverted import (e.g. put the note for the one that says that is in the Swan Hotel in Stafford within the Swan Hotel in Stafford, and not a couple of buildings away, and add the note for the one that already exists in the hospital down south where the node already exists, with suggested extra tags)? With only six of them, the hand curation will be high, so yes. The duplicate was missed before, as the existing node tags were more of a hint than anything definitive. But now it's strongly suspected to be the same feature, so will be conflated rather than duplicated. If you update that node to the current convention, that matching would even be automatic https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dbicycle_repair_station ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK
+1 And/or add 6 notes to the map, providing notes have meaningful content they tend to be picked up local mappers.. There is really no need to import this type of data in the UK where the mapping culture is to walk/cycle and just go and have a looksee. +1 - this seems like an ideal application for notes, and small enough a dataset that it can all be surveyed by hand and eye. - Jo ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK
If there's ony 6 of these things in the UK then it's hardly worth an import (I am in the minority here in not objecting to imports as long as they're discussed first - it's not as if all user-generated data in OSM is perfect!). I'd go along with a Notes approach Regards Brian On 4 March 2015 at 22:59, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Ok, last call for comments. Please note this is an ongoing import, so new nodes will show up from time to time under the same conditions. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK
I have actually mapped one of these but have refrained from adding information about the manufacturer for fear that my ground survey will be obliterated by this import. Please dont do it. Jerry On 4 March 2015 at 22:59, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Ok, last call for comments. Please note this is an ongoing import, so new nodes will show up from time to time under the same conditions. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK
On Thu Mar 5 10:03:18 2015 GMT, Jonathan Bennett wrote: On 04/03/2015 22:59, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Ok, last call for comments. I don't see a huge amount of support for automatically importing these from the GB community. If there's such a small number, why not just list them on this mailing list and local mappers can check the accuracy before mapping them in the normal way. Please note this is an ongoing import, so new nodes will show up from time to time under the same conditions. I'm not aware of any previous cases where the community has said it's OK for an open-ended, ongoing import to happen. They've been done as one-offs or in batches (e.g. Naptan) but there's always been a limited set of data. GB is well-enough served by local mappers for listing potential sites on the wiki (for example) for later mapping to work. Directly adding possibly erroneous locations to the map is just going to harm OSM's reputation for being the most accurate map available. +1 And/or add 6 notes to the map, providing notes have meaningful content they tend to be picked up local mappers.. There is really no need to import this type of data in the UK where the mapping culture is to walk/cycle and just go and have a looksee. Well that applies to UK culture in general, choosing to walk is not viewed with suspicion. Imho notes offer an easy to see/navigate to and are visible in osmand. Phil (trigpoint ) -- -- Sent from my Jolla ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Proposed import of approximately 6 bicycle repair tool stands in the UK
On 04/03/2015 22:59, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Ok, last call for comments. I don't see a huge amount of support for automatically importing these from the GB community. If there's such a small number, why not just list them on this mailing list and local mappers can check the accuracy before mapping them in the normal way. Please note this is an ongoing import, so new nodes will show up from time to time under the same conditions. I'm not aware of any previous cases where the community has said it's OK for an open-ended, ongoing import to happen. They've been done as one-offs or in batches (e.g. Naptan) but there's always been a limited set of data. GB is well-enough served by local mappers for listing potential sites on the wiki (for example) for later mapping to work. Directly adding possibly erroneous locations to the map is just going to harm OSM's reputation for being the most accurate map available. J. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
