Re: [Talk-GB] Railway level crossings

[Andy Townsend]

On 24/05/18 19:03, Andy Mabbett wrote:

On 24 May 2018 at 17:37, Jez Nicholson  wrote:


But Martin (and others) _could_ use the web site to prompt investigations
into crossing locations and manually add/edit in OSM.

+ 1

Or we could just ask them to release the data under an open licence.

Is this sort of stuff in the sectional appendix?  If so, it might 
already be available for use.  See 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UKRail_Project and 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Legolash2oLiam/diary/43115 .


Cheers,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] Railway level crossings

[Andy Mabbett]

On 24 May 2018 at 17:37, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> But Martin (and others) _could_ use the web site to prompt investigations
> into crossing locations and manually add/edit in OSM.

+ 1

Or we could just ask them to release the data under an open licence.

-- 
Andy Mabbett
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Re: [Talk-GB] Railway level crossings

[Martin Wynne]

On 24/05/2018 17:51, Martin Wynne wrote:


coincidences


Sorry, that should have been consequences.

Martin.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Railway level crossings

[Martin Wynne]

Jez Nicholson wrote:


But Martin (and others) _could_ use the web site to prompt investigations
into crossing locations and manually add/edit in OSM.

If Mark is right and even Network Rail have bad data it shows that you just
cannot trust anyone.

BTW Welcome to the list Martin :)

- Jez



Thanks Jez. :)

Talking of Network Rail having bad data, it can have fatal coincidences. 
See this recent report from RAIB:



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5afedd99ed915d0994b957f6/R072018_180521_Trenos.pdf

Martin.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Railway level crossings

[Martin Wynne]

And, from a practical perspective, even if it was available under a 
suitable licence it wouldn't be suitable for bulk import as quite a lot 
of the coordinates are too imprecise.


Hi,

I wasn't thinking of bulk import or downloading.

I added the information in my own words after visiting and mapping a 
foot crossing, including additional details about having steps down to 
the stile on one side, the nature of the surface, etc.


Added to the Description field for railway=level_crossing.

I will edit it to remove any information which can't be determined on 
the ground, such as the official Network Rail name for the crossing if 
it is not shown on a telephone or sign.


Thanks,

Martin.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Railway level crossings

[Jez Nicholson]

But Martin (and others) _could_ use the web site to prompt investigations
into crossing locations and manually add/edit in OSM.

If Mark is right and even Network Rail have bad data it shows that you just
cannot trust anyone.

BTW Welcome to the list Martin :)

- Jez

On Thu, 24 May 2018 at 17:07 Mark Goodge  wrote:

>
>
> On 24/05/2018 16:36, David Woolley wrote:
> > Please read the terms of use on that web site, in particular:
> >
> > "You may only print off copies, and may only download page(s) from our
> > site for your personal and non-commercial use."
> >
> > Anything included in OSM needs to have licence that permits commercial
> > use, so you cannot use the data from that web page as a source for OSM.
>
> And, from a practical perspective, even if it was available under a
> suitable licence it wouldn't be suitable for bulk import as quite a lot
> of the coordinates are too imprecise.
>
> Mark
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Railway level crossings

[Mark Goodge]

On 24/05/2018 16:36, David Woolley wrote:

Please read the terms of use on that web site, in particular:

"You may only print off copies, and may only download page(s) from our 
site for your personal and non-commercial use."


Anything included in OSM needs to have licence that permits commercial 
use, so you cannot use the data from that web page as a source for OSM.


And, from a practical perspective, even if it was available under a 
suitable licence it wouldn't be suitable for bulk import as quite a lot 
of the coordinates are too imprecise.


Mark


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Re: [Talk-GB] Railway level crossings

[David Woolley]

Please read the terms of use on that web site, in particular:

"You may only print off copies, and may only download page(s) from our 
site for your personal and non-commercial use."


Anything included in OSM needs to have licence that permits commercial 
use, so you cannot use the data from that web page as a source for OSM.



On 24/05/18 16:00, Martin Wynne wrote:

Hi,

I'm a newbie here, so I don't know if this has been mentioned before. 
Apologies if so.


Network Rail have an online map showing details of all level crossings 
on the system:



https://www.networkrail.co.uk/communities/safety-in-the-community/level-crossing-safety/ 



This includes all level crossings including roads, footpaths, private 
occupation crossings, etc.


The details include the official name of the crossing, frequency and 
speed of trains, extra risk factors such as grounding of long low 
vehicles, details of the protection such as half or full barriers, 
gates, stiles, etc.


All of which can be usefully added to OSM.

Martin.

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[Talk-GB] Railway level crossings

[Martin Wynne]

Hi,

I'm a newbie here, so I don't know if this has been mentioned before. 
Apologies if so.


Network Rail have an online map showing details of all level crossings 
on the system:



https://www.networkrail.co.uk/communities/safety-in-the-community/level-crossing-safety/

This includes all level crossings including roads, footpaths, private 
occupation crossings, etc.


The details include the official name of the crossing, frequency and 
speed of trains, extra risk factors such as grounding of long low 
vehicles, details of the protection such as half or full barriers, 
gates, stiles, etc.


All of which can be usefully added to OSM.

Martin.

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