[Talk-GB] Red Routes
Finally decided to map red routes after avoiding it for over a year (red routes are sprouting up rapidly in South Birmingham despite fierce oppostion from local traders - they're no stopping routes which are rigidly enforced). There's not much to guide me as a mapper following a quick search in the usual places - so can the community offer some thoughts so we can get a consensus and a common approach for those few of us who have to contend with them? The following initial offering is from our local tagging guru Andy Robinson (who else?) If it's a red route I'd suggest red_route=yes on it since the regulations applicable to a red route don't fit easily into any one category. However since there aren't many places with Red Routes yet (only London [1] and West Mids [2] in the UK?) we could have a stab with the London folks on how they should be mapped better than this. Bus lanes could very much fall into the thoughts as well as Urban Clearways. These are all some sort of restriction so maybe that tagging approach should be considered. For times, the start / end type tags should be good enough, though it gets more complicated if you have to also add a tag that stats which days it applies to and when there is more than one time period of operation in a given day. For example the Stratford Road Red Route operates M-S 7am-7pm [1] http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/finesandregulations/949.aspx [2] http://www.westmidlandsltp.gov.uk/redroutes.php?id=2493 Bus Lanes are yet another headache! Regards Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Red Routes
On 29 Jul 2009, at 16:26, Brian Prangle wrote: Finally decided to map red routes after avoiding it for over a year (red routes are sprouting up rapidly in South Birmingham despite fierce oppostion from local traders - they're no stopping routes which are rigidly enforced). There's not much to guide me as a mapper following a quick search in the usual places - so can the community offer some thoughts so we can get a consensus and a common approach for those few of us who have to contend with them? The following initial offering is from our local tagging guru Andy Robinson (who else?) If it's a red route I'd suggest red_route=yes on it since the regulations applicable to a red route don't fit easily into any one category. However since there aren't many places with Red Routes yet (only London [1] and West Mids [2] in the UK?) we could have a stab with the London folks on how they should be mapped better than this. Bus lanes could very much fall into the thoughts as well as Urban Clearways. Edinburgh had decided to be different and call these roads greenways. (I think the idea was to have a positive spin on the fact that green transport can use it rather than it being a place that you can't go by denoting them red.) http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/CEC/CityDevelopment/TransportandTravel/Parking/GreenwaysandBusLanes/Greenways_And_Bus_Lanes.html Shaun These are all some sort of restriction so maybe that tagging approach should be considered. For times, the start / end type tags should be good enough, though it gets more complicated if you have to also add a tag that stats which days it applies to and when there is more than one time period of operation in a given day. For example the Stratford Road Red Route operates M-S 7am-7pm [1] http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/finesandregulations/949.aspx [2] http://www.westmidlandsltp.gov.uk/redroutes.php?id=2493 Bus Lanes are yet another headache! Regards Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Red Routes
Hi, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk schrieb: On 29 Jul 2009, at 16:26, Brian Prangle wrote: Finally decided to map red routes after avoiding it for over a year (red routes are sprouting up rapidly in South Birmingham despite fierce oppostion from local traders - they're no stopping routes which are rigidly enforced). There's not much to guide me as a mapper following a quick search in the usual places - so can the community offer some thoughts so we can get a consensus and a common approach for those few of us who have to contend with them? The following initial offering is from our local tagging guru Andy Robinson (who else?) If it's a red route I'd suggest red_route=yes on it since the regulations applicable to a red route don't fit easily into any one category. However since there aren't many places with Red Routes yet (only London [1] and West Mids [2] in the UK?) we could have a stab with the London folks on how they should be mapped better than this. Bus lanes could very much fall into the thoughts as well as Urban Clearways. Edinburgh had decided to be different and call these roads greenways. (I think the idea was to have a positive spin on the fact that green transport can use it rather than it being a place that you can't go by denoting them red.) http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/CEC/CityDevelopment/TransportandTravel/Parking/GreenwaysandBusLanes/Greenways_And_Bus_Lanes.html In Germany it is relatively common to have bus lanes which also allow taxis and cyclists to travel on them. Green Routes seem to be a very similar concept. So perhaps it makes sense to build a tagging scheme based on bus lanes as busses seem to be the main reason for the introduction of the lanes and add additional allowed vecicles. I do not know if Green Routes is just another name for Red Routes. The Red Routes seem to put a much greater emphasis on the fact that you are not allowed to stop there. Christoph Shaun These are all some sort of restriction so maybe that tagging approach should be considered. For times, the start / end type tags should be good enough, though it gets more complicated if you have to also add a tag that stats which days it applies to and when there is more than one time period of operation in a given day. For example the Stratford Road Red Route operates M-S 7am-7pm [1] http://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/finesandregulations/949.aspx [2] http://www.westmidlandsltp.gov.uk/redroutes.php?id=2493 Bus Lanes are yet another headache! Regards Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Red Routes
Brian Prangle wrote: If it's a red route I'd suggest red_route=yes traffic_restriction=red_route ? or maybe traffic_restriction=no_stopping I'm not a fan of key=yes/no tags if they can be avoided -- they don't explain what key means a lot of the time. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Red Routes
Of course, before red routes there were clearways? And don't forget double yellows too... 2009/7/29 Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk: Brian Prangle wrote: If it's a red route I'd suggest red_route=yes traffic_restriction=red_route ? or maybe traffic_restriction=no_stopping I'm not a fan of key=yes/no tags if they can be avoided -- they don't explain what key means a lot of the time. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Red Routes
Thomas Wood wrote: And don't forget double yellows too... And double yellows with one, two or three stripes up the kerb. Whatever they meant. Nick. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Red Routes
Would it be better to use a generic parking_restriction= tag? Do we tag with the type of restriction? parking_restriction=red_route parking_restriction=bus_route parking_restriction=double_yellow parking_restriction=single_yellow parking_restriction=dashed_yellow Or the effect of it? parking_restriction=no_stopping parking_restriction=no_parking parking_restriction=no_waiting parking_restriction=no_loading (that's what the stripes up the kerb mean) The latter would be simpler, as there are many parking restriction schemes (in the UK, never mind internationally), but there's only a few different types of parking restrictions. Mario ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
