Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice
I appreciate the wise counsel. Ready to head out to dinner soon for our American Thanksgiving holiday. Rumor has it actually began under Irish origins! https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/news/happy-thanksgiving-2019 Wife's Burke family from Birr, Offaly (Glenahilty). We visited twice. 1. But computers are on sale beginning tomorrow. I plan to visit our local Best Buy to consider my Christmas present. Can you all give me some feedback on any of these choices, HP, Microsoft Surface? Looking at a processor 15 or i7 and 16 GB RAM with a 512 SSD. Older eyes now so maybe a 15" vs a 13" screen. Mouse on the side of course, I don't think much of trackpads. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/promo/select-featured-laptops Local Miami University department of Geography use the Dell 7490 for their students doing fieldwork. I understand the Latitude is a better quality than the Inspiron. XPS 15 looks good, https://deals.dell.com/en-us/ I would be using this computer for more than just GIS research, (I am Scout Leader, genealogy files, photos, mapping, cycling; not a gamer at all). https://deals.dell.com/en-us/category/laptops has the XPS 13, XPS 13 2-1 and the XPS 15 all in a row. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/b/surface-deals and I can always cross-check Amazon. 2. Any comments on 2-1's vs standard touch-screen input? 3. What about the smartphone apps? What do you all use? Thanks, Pondhopper On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 7:19 AM Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I simply switch to a different app, > with phone closing it if necessary. > You can also use back button. > 19 Nov 2019, 12:28 by kgu...@php.net: > > > I agree with all of this, josm, streetcomplete, Vespucci etc. > > > > speaking of which, what's the best way to quit out of Vespucci? there's > got > > to be something better than using the task manager to kill it !:-) > > > > cheers > > > > Ken > > > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 11:13, Mateusz Konieczny > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >> 18 Nov 2019, 22:42 by montg...@fuse.net: > >> > >> > What software would you recommend? ArcGIS, QGIS, JOSM. I could pick > up > >> > any. I would appreciate your suggestions and links to any tutorials > to > >> > learn such software. > >> > > >> I recommend > >> - iD for newbie friendly editing, > >> - StreetComplete Android app for limited but very easy editing > >> - JOSM for more advanced editing > >> - Vespucci as a mobile version of JOSM on Android > >> > >> For Apple mobile devices there is GoMap!! that is described as working > >> well. > >> > >> iD has a build-in tutorial, and more info at > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ID > >> > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM has some listed help and > >> tutorials > >> > >> For StreetComplete see > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete > >> and > >> and its quest list > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete/Quests > >> Entire StreetComplete tutorial follows: > >> It is intended to be used as one walks across some place, > >> with quests appearing as markers on the map. Selecting marker > >> allows one to answer a simple question. > >> > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map!! and > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vespucci describes other editors. > >> > >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editors has listing of editors > >> > >> I would not recommend QGIS and ArcGis as OSM editors. > >> I never used them for such purpose and I strongly suspect that > >> programs intended solely as an OSM editor will be far better > >> and more people can help in case of a trouble. > >> > >> > What about touch screens vs 2-in-1 computers? Any preferences for > those > >> of > >> > you in the field? > >> > > >> I strongly prefer editing on StreetComplete and Vespucci over making > notes > >> and > >> editing at home. > >> > >> I still use JOSM for more complex edits, tracing aerial imagery. And iD > >> for quick > >> fixes based on what I remember and spotted to be wrong. > >> > >> ___ > >> Talk-ie mailing list > >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > >> > > > > > > -- > > http://about.me/kenguest/ > > ___ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > -- Thomas A. Montgomery 515 Vinnedge Ct. Fairfield, OH 45014 montg...@fuse.net 513-844-8930 montg...@gmail.com 513-969-5383 montg...@miamioh.edu (Retired, IT Department) Society of Miami Retirees and Alumni (Ph.D, 1982) ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice
I simply switch to a different app, with phone closing it if necessary. You can also use back button. 19 Nov 2019, 12:28 by kgu...@php.net: > I agree with all of this, josm, streetcomplete, Vespucci etc. > > speaking of which, what's the best way to quit out of Vespucci? there's got > to be something better than using the task manager to kill it !:-) > > cheers > > Ken > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 11:13, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > >> >> >> >> 18 Nov 2019, 22:42 by montg...@fuse.net: >> >> > What software would you recommend? ArcGIS, QGIS, JOSM. I could pick up >> > any. I would appreciate your suggestions and links to any tutorials to >> > learn such software. >> > >> I recommend >> - iD for newbie friendly editing, >> - StreetComplete Android app for limited but very easy editing >> - JOSM for more advanced editing >> - Vespucci as a mobile version of JOSM on Android >> >> For Apple mobile devices there is GoMap!! that is described as working >> well. >> >> iD has a build-in tutorial, and more info at >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ID >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM has some listed help and >> tutorials >> >> For StreetComplete see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete >> and >> and its quest list >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete/Quests >> Entire StreetComplete tutorial follows: >> It is intended to be used as one walks across some place, >> with quests appearing as markers on the map. Selecting marker >> allows one to answer a simple question. >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map!! and >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vespucci describes other editors. >> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editors has listing of editors >> >> I would not recommend QGIS and ArcGis as OSM editors. >> I never used them for such purpose and I strongly suspect that >> programs intended solely as an OSM editor will be far better >> and more people can help in case of a trouble. >> >> > What about touch screens vs 2-in-1 computers? Any preferences for those >> of >> > you in the field? >> > >> I strongly prefer editing on StreetComplete and Vespucci over making notes >> and >> editing at home. >> >> I still use JOSM for more complex edits, tracing aerial imagery. And iD >> for quick >> fixes based on what I remember and spotted to be wrong. >> >> ___ >> Talk-ie mailing list >> Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie >> > > > -- > http://about.me/kenguest/ > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice
I agree with all of this, josm, streetcomplete, Vespucci etc. speaking of which, what's the best way to quit out of Vespucci? there's got to be something better than using the task manager to kill it !:-) cheers Ken On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 11:13, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > > > 18 Nov 2019, 22:42 by montg...@fuse.net: > > > What software would you recommend? ArcGIS, QGIS, JOSM. I could pick up > > any. I would appreciate your suggestions and links to any tutorials to > > learn such software. > > > I recommend > - iD for newbie friendly editing, > - StreetComplete Android app for limited but very easy editing > - JOSM for more advanced editing > - Vespucci as a mobile version of JOSM on Android > > For Apple mobile devices there is GoMap!! that is described as working > well. > > iD has a build-in tutorial, and more info at > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ID > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM has some listed help and > tutorials > > For StreetComplete see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete > and > and its quest list > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete/Quests > Entire StreetComplete tutorial follows: > It is intended to be used as one walks across some place, > with quests appearing as markers on the map. Selecting marker > allows one to answer a simple question. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map!! and > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vespucci describes other editors. > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editors has listing of editors > > I would not recommend QGIS and ArcGis as OSM editors. > I never used them for such purpose and I strongly suspect that > programs intended solely as an OSM editor will be far better > and more people can help in case of a trouble. > > > What about touch screens vs 2-in-1 computers? Any preferences for those > of > > you in the field? > > > I strongly prefer editing on StreetComplete and Vespucci over making notes > and > editing at home. > > I still use JOSM for more complex edits, tracing aerial imagery. And iD > for quick > fixes based on what I remember and spotted to be wrong. > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > -- http://about.me/kenguest/ ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice
18 Nov 2019, 22:42 by montg...@fuse.net: > What software would you recommend? ArcGIS, QGIS, JOSM. I could pick up > any. I would appreciate your suggestions and links to any tutorials to > learn such software. > I recommend - iD for newbie friendly editing, - StreetComplete Android app for limited but very easy editing - JOSM for more advanced editing - Vespucci as a mobile version of JOSM on Android For Apple mobile devices there is GoMap!! that is described as working well. iD has a build-in tutorial, and more info at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ID https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM has some listed help and tutorials For StreetComplete see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete and and its quest list https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete/Quests Entire StreetComplete tutorial follows: It is intended to be used as one walks across some place, with quests appearing as markers on the map. Selecting marker allows one to answer a simple question. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Go_Map!! and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vespucci describes other editors. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editors has listing of editors I would not recommend QGIS and ArcGis as OSM editors. I never used them for such purpose and I strongly suspect that programs intended solely as an OSM editor will be far better and more people can help in case of a trouble. > What about touch screens vs 2-in-1 computers? Any preferences for those of > you in the field? > I strongly prefer editing on StreetComplete and Vespucci over making notes and editing at home. I still use JOSM for more complex edits, tracing aerial imagery. And iD for quick fixes based on what I remember and spotted to be wrong. ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice
Most of us use either JOSM or the browser based ID editor since they are custom made for mapping in OSM. ArcGIS and QGIS are also used for data analytics etc, but I've never tried to map with them. The second link didn't go anywhere, but I did a search for the model number. The Dell 9370 looks like the XPS developer edition laptop, which is overkill for this JOSM, but it does have a high resolution screen. The Spectre is a nice laptop as well, with plenty of system performance to handle the work. If you are comfortable with that price range, then get a laptop you like, screen size, keyboard responsiveness, etc, since I presume it'll be used for other things like emails and web browsing. Go into a Best Buy, even if you are not buying from there and test out the feel of Spectre. Also buy a comfortable mouse, as mapping on a trackpad is cumbersome. Tad On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 21:43, Thomas A. Montgomery wrote: > What software would you recommend? ArcGIS, QGIS, JOSM. I could pick up > any. I would appreciate your suggestions and links to any tutorials to > learn such software. > > And any specific branded computer? I checked with our local Miami > University (of Ohio) Geography Department and their students use Dell SP5's > for fieldwork. Minimum of 13.3 inch screen and upped the RAM from 8 to > 16. 512 solid state drives. Also HP Spectre laptops? > HP: > https://www8.hp.com/us/en/laptops/premium/index.html#modal=spectre-overlay > > Another colleague recommended a Dell 9370 computer. Amazon locally (US): > > https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#search/dell/FMfcgxwGBmqSsPlftrCRXcrwhzVmFXfg > Seems like a very good price. > > What about touch screens vs 2-in-1 computers? Any preferences for those of > you in the field? > > The Yank > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 6:11 PM Tadeusz Cantwell wrote: > > > I would add that getting a laptop with at least a HD or 1080p screen will > > help. Anything less and mapping can get pixilated and harder to see what > a > > thing is. It works the other way as well, a 1440p screen can give better > > clarity as well having used both. That does add a few hundred dollars to > > the price, so it depends on your budget. > > > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 19:58, Mateusz Konieczny > > > wrote: > > > > > 11 Nov 2019, 23:16 by montg...@fuse.net: > > > > > > > 2. I could obtain a copy of ArcGIS. Or do you use QGIS? > > > > > > > It highly depends on a situation (integrating with existing systems, > > > who would pay for ArcGis licences, needed features), but I would > consider > > > QGIS as generally preferable as it is an open source and without > > expensive > > > licences. > > > ___ > > > Talk-ie mailing list > > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > > ___ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > > > -- > Thomas A. Montgomery > 515 Vinnedge Ct. > Fairfield, OH 45014 > montg...@fuse.net > montg...@gmail.com > montg...@miamioh.edu (Retired, IT Department) > Society of Miami Retirees and Alumni (Ph.D, 1982) > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice
What software would you recommend? ArcGIS, QGIS, JOSM. I could pick up any. I would appreciate your suggestions and links to any tutorials to learn such software. And any specific branded computer? I checked with our local Miami University (of Ohio) Geography Department and their students use Dell SP5's for fieldwork. Minimum of 13.3 inch screen and upped the RAM from 8 to 16. 512 solid state drives. Also HP Spectre laptops? HP: https://www8.hp.com/us/en/laptops/premium/index.html#modal=spectre-overlay Another colleague recommended a Dell 9370 computer. Amazon locally (US): https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#search/dell/FMfcgxwGBmqSsPlftrCRXcrwhzVmFXfg Seems like a very good price. What about touch screens vs 2-in-1 computers? Any preferences for those of you in the field? The Yank On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 6:11 PM Tadeusz Cantwell wrote: > I would add that getting a laptop with at least a HD or 1080p screen will > help. Anything less and mapping can get pixilated and harder to see what a > thing is. It works the other way as well, a 1440p screen can give better > clarity as well having used both. That does add a few hundred dollars to > the price, so it depends on your budget. > > On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 19:58, Mateusz Konieczny > wrote: > > > 11 Nov 2019, 23:16 by montg...@fuse.net: > > > > > 2. I could obtain a copy of ArcGIS. Or do you use QGIS? > > > > > It highly depends on a situation (integrating with existing systems, > > who would pay for ArcGis licences, needed features), but I would consider > > QGIS as generally preferable as it is an open source and without > expensive > > licences. > > ___ > > Talk-ie mailing list > > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > > > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > -- Thomas A. Montgomery 515 Vinnedge Ct. Fairfield, OH 45014 montg...@fuse.net montg...@gmail.com montg...@miamioh.edu (Retired, IT Department) Society of Miami Retirees and Alumni (Ph.D, 1982) ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice
I would add that getting a laptop with at least a HD or 1080p screen will help. Anything less and mapping can get pixilated and harder to see what a thing is. It works the other way as well, a 1440p screen can give better clarity as well having used both. That does add a few hundred dollars to the price, so it depends on your budget. On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 19:58, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > 11 Nov 2019, 23:16 by montg...@fuse.net: > > > 2. I could obtain a copy of ArcGIS. Or do you use QGIS? > > > It highly depends on a situation (integrating with existing systems, > who would pay for ArcGis licences, needed features), but I would consider > QGIS as generally preferable as it is an open source and without expensive > licences. > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie > ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice
Hi, It might be useful to get a slightly larger screen than usual. Alternatively, some computers support a second screen. Colm --- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead From: talk-ie-requ...@openstreetmap.org Sent: 12 November 2019 12:01 To: talk-ie@openstreetmap.org Subject: Talk-ie Digest, Vol 126, Issue 6 Send Talk-ie mailing list submissions to talk-ie@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.openstreetmap.org%2Flistinfo%2Ftalk-iedata=02%7C01%7C%7C8dbc311f32eb4bd89a6808d76768d960%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637091572322296918sdata=K4ztB%2FGN2Ysmigm7sYy8k87hAsmCsLs2GBcdsUb0rMo%3Dreserved=0 or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-ie-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-ie-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Talk-ie digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Computer advice (Thomas A. Montgomery) 2. Re: Computer advice (Donal Hunt) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:16:15 -0500 From: "Thomas A. Montgomery" To: Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Open-Streeters, I am retired from Miami University (Oxford, OH, IT Services) and interested in your OpenStreet dialogues and wonderful discussions forums. I have been following these for a while with an interest in GIS as it relates to places, genealogy and history (some family lines from Ireland). 1. Considering a Christmas present for myself and need your recommendations on hardware (computer) configurations. 2. I could obtain a copy of ArcGIS. Or do you use QGIS? I would appreciate your recommendations. Perhaps I could help out from afar. The Yank -- Thomas A. Montgomery, Ph.D. 515 Vinnedge Ct. Fairfield, OH 45014 montg...@fuse.net montg...@gmail.com montg...@miamioh.edu (Retired, IT Department) Society of Miami Retirees and Alumni (Ph.D, 1982) -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 09:37:19 + From: Donal Hunt To: Discussion of OpenStreetMap in Ireland Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Thomas! Most modern machines will more than suffice for the use of openstreetmap editing but it really depends on what you want to do. I've managed to get people editing the map using ID (the web browser editor) on a low-end Chromebook. For more intensive work, you may want something with an i5 or i7 processor, 8-16gb ram and an SSD storage device. A good mouse is mandatory. For editors, many people use JOSM as a local client but depending on what you're looking to achieve, QGIS is quite popular too. The community is always happy to get feedback and insight from as diverse a field as possible so encourage you to pick something, try it and let us know how you get on. Regards Donal On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 at 22:17, Thomas A. Montgomery wrote: > Open-Streeters, I am retired from Miami University (Oxford, OH, IT > Services) and interested in your OpenStreet dialogues and wonderful > discussions forums. I have been following these for a while with an > interest in GIS as it relates to places, genealogy and history (some family > lines from Ireland). > >1. Considering a Christmas present for myself and need your >recommendations on hardware (computer) configurations. >2. I could obtain a copy of ArcGIS. Or do you use QGIS? > > I would appreciate your recommendations. Perhaps I could help out from > afar. > > The Yank > -- > Thomas A. Montgomery, Ph.D. > 515 Vinnedge Ct. > Fairfield, OH 45014 > montg...@fuse.net > montg...@gmail.com > montg...@miamioh.edu (Retired, IT Department) > Society of Miami Retirees and Alumni (Ph.D, 1982) > ___ > Talk-ie mailing list > Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org > https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.openstreetmap.org%2Flistinfo%2Ftalk-iedata=02%7C01%7C%7C8dbc311f32eb4bd89a6808d76768d960%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637091572322296918sdata=K4ztB%2FGN2Ysmigm7sYy8k87hAsmCsLs2GBcdsUb0rMo%3Dreserved=0 > -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outl
[OSM-talk-ie] Computer advice
Open-Streeters, I am retired from Miami University (Oxford, OH, IT Services) and interested in your OpenStreet dialogues and wonderful discussions forums. I have been following these for a while with an interest in GIS as it relates to places, genealogy and history (some family lines from Ireland). 1. Considering a Christmas present for myself and need your recommendations on hardware (computer) configurations. 2. I could obtain a copy of ArcGIS. Or do you use QGIS? I would appreciate your recommendations. Perhaps I could help out from afar. The Yank -- Thomas A. Montgomery, Ph.D. 515 Vinnedge Ct. Fairfield, OH 45014 montg...@fuse.net montg...@gmail.com montg...@miamioh.edu (Retired, IT Department) Society of Miami Retirees and Alumni (Ph.D, 1982) ___ Talk-ie mailing list Talk-ie@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ie
