Re: [Talk-ca] French Street names in Ottawa

[Loïc Haméon]

Bonne trouvaille Pierre!


For our English-speaking colleagues who might find it wearisome to work
through the French language info, I will cite the specific street-names
guide (
http://www.toponymie.gouv.qc.ca/ct/pdf/guideaffichageodonymique.pdf?ts=0.9319020490929337):
"Sur une plaque de rue ou un panneau de signalisation, l'élément générique
débute par la particule de position".

Loïc




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>2. Re: French street names in Ottawa (john whelan)
>3. Re: French street names in Ottawa (Pierre Béland)
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> From: Jonathan Crowe <jonathan.cr...@gmail.com>
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> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2016 12:30:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] French street names in Ottawa
> I just did a quick check. On OSM, Rue/Chemin/Boulevard/etc. are
> capitalized in Montréal, Québec, Paris, Marseille, Besançon, Lille — and
> Gatineau. Ottawa is the *only* place I’m aware of where capitalizing Rue
> etc. is even a question.
>
> I mean, Quebec highway exit signs capitalize Rue, Boulevard, Chemin and so
> forth. Drive any autoroute.
>
> Which is to say that to me the evidence of existing usage elsewhere in the
> francophone world is pretty overwhelming. (For the record, I have been
> capitalizing Rue etc. in my edits.)
>
> This is the second time this month that anglophones (generally) have been
> discussing how to deal with names in other languages (see also the Nunavut
> place names thread). I think we need to be *very* careful about that:
> there’s an excellent chance that we don’t know what we’re talking about.
>
> Also, I have a hard time believing that search is so case-sensitive that
> capitalizing/not capitalizing Rue etc. would break it. (It’s broken in
> other ways: searching “boulevard cite des jeunes” does not yield Gatineau’s
> Boulevard de la Cité-des-Jeunes. But that’s another issue.)
>
>
> Jonathan Crowe
> The Map Room
> http://www.maproomblog.com
>
>
>
> > On Sep 26, 2016, at 11:51 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was under the impression that the City of Ottawa named the streets,
> they use lower case for rue.   I assumed since they named the streets they
> were the authority.
> >
> > The entries were confirmed with a Francophone School teacher before
> being added.
> >
> > Originally about 97% of the highways in Ottawa had the French name added
> following the Ottawa by-law.  These were all done in lower case.  There
> were one or two street names that had odd names that were not covered by
> the by-law and these did not have the French added.
> >
> > Now we have a mixture as people have changed the entry to upper case in
> roughly 20% of the cases which is unfortunate as it impacts searching the
> French street name entry by name.  We also have had a number of highways
> added as Ottawa has grown which may or may not have had the French name
> added.
> >
> > Reality is most users use the English version of the street name and
> most rendering is done in English.  This is similar to many francophones in
> Ottawa prefer to use English versions of software as they feel they are
> less likely to have undocumented features.
> >
> > I only know of two renderers that use the French name and they are a
> custom set of rules I made for Maperitive and also they can be shown in
> OSMand with the right settings.
> >
> > Cheerio John
> >
> >
> >
> > On 26 September 2016 at 10:55, Loïc Haméon <hame...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Please note the correct French name for rue Sparks is "rue Sparks" and
> not "Rue Sparks"
> > The first word is not capitalised.
> > This was carefully verified before the names were added.
> > Thanks John
> >
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > It's true that in French the generic element of place names (rue,
> avenue, chemin, etc.) are normally not capitalized as part of a text or
> addres

[Talk-ca] Erreurs Osmose et changesets

[Loïc Haméon]

Bonjour tous,

J'ai récemment commencé à explorer les fonctions d'Osmose, que je trouvent
fort utiles, notamment pour corriger mes propres contributions.

Je constate toutefois qu'il y a un grand nombre d'erreurs signalées dans
mon voisinage, au point où ça alourdit notablement la vue dans Vespucci.
Comme le Wiki mentionne expressément de "ne pas cartographier pour Osmose",
je voudrais m'assurer de bien comprendre les corrections souhaitables avant
de m'y attaquer.

1 - Building intersections : C'est de loin l'erreur la plus fréquente dans
mon quartier. La plupart des bâtiments semblent y avoir été dessinés par un
même utilisateur à partir de Bing. Or, il n'a pas traité les blocs de
bâtiments collés uniformément: les murs mitoyens sont parfois partagés par
deux bâtiments, mais parfois ils sont représentés par deux chemins
distincts, ce qui tend à causer des erreurs d'intersection. Ça ne devrait
pas être un problème si je combine les chemins concernés sur la foi des
images satellites, non? Je n'ai pas nécessairement à aller vérifier chacun
des cas individuellement sur le terrain?

2- Interpolation d'adresse : Selon ce que j'ai trouvé sur le sujet dans des
tutoriels YouTube, il est acceptable, voire même recommandé, d'ajouter
l'adresse d'un bâtiment particulier quand elle est connue, même si un
vecteur d'interpolation existe également. Cependant, je constate qu'Osmose
signale comme une erreur les cas où un bout du vecteur d'interpolation
porte le même numéro qu'une adresse manuellement ajoutée à un bâtiment.
Quelle est la convention dans ces cas? Devrait-on signaler un faux positif
dans Osmose (auquel cas y aurait-il moyen de signaler cette situation à ces
créateurs pour qu'elle ne soit pas signalée comme une erreur), faudrait-il
modifier le vecteur d'interpolation ou s'abstenir d'ajouter l'adresse sur
le bâtiment?

3-Quelqu'un pourrait-il m'expliquer l'étiquette de l'ouverture/fermeture de
changesets? L'outil de navigateur d'Osmose et Vespucci comportent tous deux
une option pour fermer/garder ouvert un changeset au moment de l'upload.
Dans quelles circonstances est-il préférable de choisir l'un ou l'autre? Je
suppose que le fait de garder le changeset ouvert peut être bon si on
prévoir continuer de faire des modifications à court terme, pour éviter une
multiplication inutile d'éléments disparates dans la base de données? Mais
y'a-t-il une durée limite à observer avant de fermer un changeset? Quelles
sont les conséquences de le laisser ouvert, les données sont-elle en
attente d'ajout à OSM tant que le changeset n'est pas fermé?


Merci d'avance pour vos explications!

Loïc
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Re: [Talk-ca] Talk-ca Digest, Vol 103, Issue 22

[Loïc Haméon]

Salut Dega, merci beaucoup pour ton offre!

Il y a deux zones de traces du genre assez concentrées, toutes deux au
centre-ville de Saint-Félicien (Lac Saint-Jean). L'une est dans le parc du
Sacré-Coeur, en face de l'église (boulevard Sacré-Coeur, entre les rues
Saint-Antoine et Monseigneur-Bluteau, et l'autre plus au sud-est, près de
la boulangerie Moisson d'or (boulevard Sacré-Coeur, entre les rues
Notre-Dame et Saint-Jean Baptiste).

Tu me diras quels outils tu utilise pour ta tentative, ça me permettra
d'apprendre à le faire moi-même pour la prochaine fois! Je ne vois aucune
façon d'interagir avec ces traces dans ID, et je ne sais pas encore comment
afficher les traces GPS publiques d'OSM dans JOSM, seulement celles que j'y
insère moi-même...





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> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 09:31:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Mysterious GPS traces
> Bonjour Loïc
> Bienvenue dans le groupe des enthousiastes d'Openstreetmap.
>
> Je peux tenter de t'aider pour trouver des informations à propos de ton
> amateur de mikado. Pourrais-tu me fournir les coordonnées (2 rues ou
> lat/lon)
> de cette trace?
> Je ne te promet rien. Je n'ai jamais fait une telle recherche.
>
> Au plaisir
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[Talk-ca] Mysterious GPS traces

[Loïc Haméon]

Edit. J'ai eu un message de modération de mon message original vu que la
limite de taille des messages exclut l'insertion d'images, voici donc un
lien vers la capture d'écran : https://goo.gl/photos/QQMEEoXRTnhGesi18



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From: Loïc Haméon <hame...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 10:33 PM
Subject: Mysterious GPS traces
To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org


Hi everyone,

Not sure if this is the best forum for this question, but I couldn't find
anything related in the Wiki or OpenStreetMap Help.


I've been trying to familiarize myself with various features of OSM
editors. While puttering about in the ID editor, I've stumbled upon a mess
of very short and apparently unusable GPS traces in a small area of a
remote town (Saint-Félicien) with little local OSM activity (see attached
screen grab - it looks like a game of mikado). It looks somewhat unlikely
they made by locals, what with the straightness, the going through
buildings and all.

I'm wondering whether its possible to find out where those came from, if
they can possibly have any use and whether there is some sort of process to
remove bad GPS traces (or do they just ccumulate ad vitam aeternam)?

Thanks, and happy Labor Day!

Loïc
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Re: [Talk-ca] Canvec reverts

[Loïc Haméon]

Hi all,

I'm still a fairly new mapper and I've yet to gather much first-hand
experience on much of what is being discussed here, but I've been following
the discussion and I certainly agree Nakaner does not appear to have a very
conciliatory attitude for someone who does not belong to the relevant
mapping community.

Surely a single remote contributor shouldn't be able to unilaterally
reverse the consensus of the local mappers?

As for the calculation of the changeset speed, isn't it possible that a
contributor would work on different changesets in a row and then upload
them one after the other?

On a final note, though, I certainly would approve of any effort to reduce
the size of the upload chunks and the assorted polygons. For new mappers
like me, those create daunting challenges when trying to make incremental
improvements to an area. Shortly after joining the OSM community I was back
in my home town of Saint-Félicien, in a fairly remote region that hasn't
had tons of local mapping done. Some of the inhabited areas I aimed to
improve were covered by Canvec forest multipolygons, and I ended up giving
up on them until I could get some more experience as I absolutely did not
understand what the hell was going on

Cheers
Loïc


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>2. Re: CanVec Reverts (Begin Daniel)
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> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2016 08:54:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] broken forests in eastern Canada
>
> I'm not sure if anyone from the DWG will do anything, but I agree he
> should be prevented from making changes to Canada. He thinks he knows
> better than the local mappers
>
> On Sep 1, 2016 8:49 AM, "john whelan"  wrote:
>
>> It would appear that Michael has no appreciation of how we the local
>> community work or of how large Canada is nor does he appear to be able to
>> communicate with us and understand our concerns.
>>
>> I suggest we formally request that he is prevented from making any
>> changes within Canada and his reversals be reverted.
>>
>> The Canvec data was imported with the knowledge and support of the local
>> mappers and I think that's all that matters.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 1 September 2016 at 08:39, Michael Reichert  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Am 01.09.2016 um 01:21 schrieb dega:
>>> > On Aug 31, Daniel Bégin wrote:
>>> >> On the same topic, it has been suggested to split wooded areas in
>>> smaller
>>> >> chunks by using features on the ground as outer limits (mostly roads,
>>> >> streams, rivers) and get rid of arbitrary rectangles from Canvec.
>>> >> Is it something we are aiming at?
>>> >
>>> > The grid is an important source of problems. Here are some examples:
>>> > 1) If a lake is on the grid, it will be split in 2 parts. Each part
>>> will have
>>> > a name tag and and 2 identical names will be displayed on the map, one
>>> on each
>>> > part. This problem exist in thousands of lakes. I even saw a lake with
>>> a
>>> > triplicated name.
>>> > Merging the parts would require modifying 2 or more relations and many
>>> > importers don't do it (even if they use JOSM) because of the
>>> complexity. Some
>>> > have used a quick fix where they remove names from the parts and put
>>> it in a
>>> > POI. It looks fine but that's bad for database integrity.
>>>
>>> If someone does not merge two lakes because it is too "complex", he
>>> should evaluate if he is the right person to import such data. If an
>>> import contains much multipolygon relations, the people how import the
>>> data should know how they work, what can be done wrong, how to edit and
>>> how to fix them. :-/
>>>
>>> > 2) A addr:interp way may be split in 2 parts. 2 consequences:
>>> > - the interpolation way become useless because it's now 2 different
>>> objects.
>>> > - the mid-point becomes 2 superposed nodes. Useless duplication.
>>> >
>>> > 3) A grid tile has a fixed size. It may be appropriate for unpopulated
>>> areas
>>> > but it is too large for urban areas where editors work at a high zoom
>>> level
>>> > (17 and up). It's easy to damage a relation without knowing it.
>>> >
>>> > But there are other problems 

[Talk-ca] New mapper

[Loïc Haméon]

Hi all,

I'm new. I'm looking to improve OSM data in Montreal and Lac-Saint-Jean for
now. I am however having some difficulties learning the ropes and
navigating the contact channels.

I've been trying to create my personal page on the wiki, but I get "Unknown
Error" when I try to save my changes, anyone have a suggestion to solve
that problem?

Looking forward to chatting with you!

Procrastigator
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