Re: [Talk-in] OSM India Chapter

[Pradeep Mohandas]

Hello,

On Fri, 31 Jan 2020 at 15:05, satyakam goswami  wrote:

> Coming back to the original reasons for an OSM chapter to be able to
>> officially use the OSM trademark, do the python user groups not have this
>> issue?
>>
>
> One of us sends an email generally the the chair of the event from a
> particular city as organizing the event to Python Software Foundation
>

It would be great if the same can be done for OSM as well. It does not make
sense to go through the bureaucratic loops of forming an organisation just
for trademark reasons. So, there would need to be more reasons for forming
a Chapter.

It would also be worth reaching out to the Chapters Committee to find out
what compliance that OSM Foundation expects from us once we form a
Chapter?  Reports, Financial expenditures, etc. These would be in addition
to the paperwork required by Government of India.
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Re: [Talk-in] OSM India Chapter

[satyakam goswami]

>
> Coming back to the original reasons for an OSM chapter to be able to
> officially use the OSM trademark, do the python user groups not have this
> issue?
>

One of us sends an email generally the the chair of the event from a
particular city as organizing the event to Python Software Foundation

thanks,
-Satya
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Re: [Talk-in] OSM India Chapter (Arun Ganesh)

[Amish Sarpotdar]

Hi Arun,


This is an amazing idea. I am not sure how but would be happy to contribute. 
Part of my PhD deals with geo-spatial data infra in India. 


Thanks.

Best,
Amish

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> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:52 PM Pradeep Mohandas <
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> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> In the Virtual Mappy Hours held yesterday, the OSM Chair Allan Mustard had
>> suggested that we go ahead with the formation of an Indian chapter and
>> officially affiliate with the OSM Foundation. This enables us to use the
>> OSM Trademark officially.
>> 
>> I thought I would start the thread on this list for people interested in
>> this effort.
>> 
> I know that there is an active Telegram group going on, but I think putting
>> things on the mailing list will help archive the effort and discussion that
>> goes into formation of a Chapter. For future historians of the
>> movement,this would be something akin to the Constituent Assembly
>> discussions are to India today.
>> 
>> On the chat yesterday, I had cautioned that India has had previous bitter
>> experiences with running organisations wherein a Foundation manages the
>> organisations or groups in various countries. We are seeing the effect of
>> that in the Wikimedia movement in India. Naveen, also on this group, has
>> first-hand experience with this as he was involved in the formation of the
>> Wikimedia India Chapter.
>> 
>> I hope that such previous experiences of the members here will help us
>> avoid the pitfalls and help to form a much more stronger OSM India Chapter.
>> In India, the experience has been that the introduction of an organisation
>> leads to dis-organisation of the community. I hope we can stay in this
>> together and for the long haul.
>> 
>> 
> This is a welcome step and i support the setting up of a chapter as a
> longtime contributor to the project.  We've organically grown as a hobby
> community very nicely and with bigger players like corporates and the
> government starting to use the data, it feels like having a legal
> organization can enable much more to happen.
> 
> Having also seen constant mailing list drama with the Wikimedia India
> chapter, it would definitely be wise to learn from the chapter forming
> experiences of other open communities in India.
> 
> Lets list a few such successful and thriving chapters that folks are aware
> of and that might help think of the next steps and folks to rope in for
> guidance.
> 
> Even more importantly, if anyone feels this is not a good idea, this is the
> time to speak up and share their concerns.
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>> On the chat yesterday, I had cautioned that India has had previous bitter
>> experiences with running organisations wherein a Foundation manages the
>> organisations or groups in various countries. We are seeing the effect of
>> that in the Wikimedia movement in India. Naveen, also on this group, has
>> first-hand experience with this as he was involved in the formation of the
>> Wikimedia India Chapter.
>>

Re: [Talk-in] OSM India Chapter

[Arun Ganesh]

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:32 PM Arun Ganesh 
wrote:

>
>>
>> now we have a model where PyCon India [1] is organized on rotation from
>> various users groups from around country,these users groups aka chapters
>> have no formal body they exist on Mailing lists and meetup groups [2] they
>> first show case the strenght in organizing the event of this magnitude then
>> we rally behind them to make it happen, its the local organizing community
>> which drives and decides how they want to spend the money for an event ,
>> there are no gatekeepers at the end of the event all the financials are
>> made public after every event.
>>
>>
> Quite impressive, this also encourages smaller local groups to be active
> rather than having a powerful central body which inevitably tends to become
> distanced from those on the ground.
>
> Does every conference need to find a new supporting institution to handle
> financials? Thats a part that can burn out volunteers trying to organize
> events/conferences and making sure the accounting is taken care of.
>
>
>
Coming back to the original reasons for an OSM chapter to be able to
officially use the OSM trademark, do the python user groups not have this
issue?
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Re: [Talk-in] OSM India Chapter

[satyakam goswami]

>
> On the chat yesterday, I had cautioned that India has had previous bitter
> experiences with running organisations wherein a Foundation manages the
> organisations or groups in various countries. We are seeing the effect of
> that in the Wikimedia movement in India. Naveen, also on this group, has
> first-hand experience with this as he was involved in the formation of the
> Wikimedia India Chapter.
>
> I hope that such previous experiences of the members here will help us
> avoid the pitfalls and help to form a much more stronger OSM India Chapter.
> In India, the experience has been that the introduction of an organisation
> leads to dis-organisation of the community. I hope we can stay in this
> together and for the long haul.
>

Hi Pradeep,

I hear and understand the travails we too have been through same
experiences , i have seen many more than just the two examples you cited

its been my fortune to have seen under various projects like Indlinux.org
then Linux users group of Delhi form societies then die , as recent as few
days back there was a little murmor in the ILUGD community as to the
paradox we have to live with on one side we love anarchy but the systems
around us expect us to have a form this is felt more when we want to
organize events, this we faced in with the Python community as well in the
last 11 years we have closed three societies ourselves just for the same
reasons , ultimately we came up with a model in which the community is
seperated from the seretarial work which has to get done in order to with
Sponsors and Vendors .

now we have a model where PyCon India [1] is organized on rotation from
various users groups from around country,these users groups aka chapters
have no formal body they exist on Mailing lists and meetup groups [2] they
first show case the strenght in organizing the event of this magnitude then
we rally behind them to make it happen, its the local organizing community
which drives and decides how they want to spend the money for an event ,
there are no gatekeepers at the end of the event all the financials are
made public after every event.

[1] https://in.pycon.org/2019/
[2] http://python.org.in/

thanks,
-Satya
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Re: [Talk-in] OSM India Chapter

[Arun Ganesh]

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:52 PM Pradeep Mohandas <
pradeep.mohan...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> In the Virtual Mappy Hours held yesterday, the OSM Chair Allan Mustard had
> suggested that we go ahead with the formation of an Indian chapter and
> officially affiliate with the OSM Foundation. This enables us to use the
> OSM Trademark officially.
>
> I thought I would start the thread on this list for people interested in
> this effort.
>
I know that there is an active Telegram group going on, but I think putting
> things on the mailing list will help archive the effort and discussion that
> goes into formation of a Chapter. For future historians of the
> movement,this would be something akin to the Constituent Assembly
> discussions are to India today.
>
> On the chat yesterday, I had cautioned that India has had previous bitter
> experiences with running organisations wherein a Foundation manages the
> organisations or groups in various countries. We are seeing the effect of
> that in the Wikimedia movement in India. Naveen, also on this group, has
> first-hand experience with this as he was involved in the formation of the
> Wikimedia India Chapter.
>
> I hope that such previous experiences of the members here will help us
> avoid the pitfalls and help to form a much more stronger OSM India Chapter.
> In India, the experience has been that the introduction of an organisation
> leads to dis-organisation of the community. I hope we can stay in this
> together and for the long haul.
>
>
This is a welcome step and i support the setting up of a chapter as a
longtime contributor to the project.  We've organically grown as a hobby
community very nicely and with bigger players like corporates and the
government starting to use the data, it feels like having a legal
organization can enable much more to happen.

Having also seen constant mailing list drama with the Wikimedia India
chapter, it would definitely be wise to learn from the chapter forming
experiences of other open communities in India.

Lets list a few such successful and thriving chapters that folks are aware
of and that might help think of the next steps and folks to rope in for
guidance.

Even more importantly, if anyone feels this is not a good idea, this is the
time to speak up and share their concerns.
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[Talk-in] OSM India Chapter

[Pradeep Mohandas]

Hello all,

In the Virtual Mappy Hours held yesterday, the OSM Chair Allan Mustard had
suggested that we go ahead with the formation of an Indian chapter and
officially affiliate with the OSM Foundation. This enables us to use the
OSM Trademark officially.

I thought I would start the thread on this list for people interested in
this effort.

I know that there is an active Telegram group going on, but I think putting
things on the mailing list will help archive the effort and discussion that
goes into formation of a Chapter. For future historians of the
movement,this would be something akin to the Constituent Assembly
discussions are to India today.

On the chat yesterday, I had cautioned that India has had previous bitter
experiences with running organisations wherein a Foundation manages the
organisations or groups in various countries. We are seeing the effect of
that in the Wikimedia movement in India. Naveen, also on this group, has
first-hand experience with this as he was involved in the formation of the
Wikimedia India Chapter.

I hope that such previous experiences of the members here will help us
avoid the pitfalls and help to form a much more stronger OSM India Chapter.
In India, the experience has been that the introduction of an organisation
leads to dis-organisation of the community. I hope we can stay in this
together and for the long haul.

Sincerely,
Pradeep

user:pradx on OSM
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