[Talk-hr] GPS tocke

[hbogner]

Karta sa gps logovima u obliku točaka.
Napokon je netko vizualizirao
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/?zoom=7lat=44.74208lon=16.9012layers=BT


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[talk-ph] New bing imagery Batch 9

[maning sambale]

Found one over Bulacan and Nueva Ecija:

http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#15.40172,121.007194,11

Perhaps in other areas too, so please check.
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Re: [talk-ph] New bing imagery Batch 9

[maning sambale]

Impasugong, Bukidnon:
http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#8.37384,124.964547,14


On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:25 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Found one over Bulacan and Nueva Ecija:

 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#15.40172,121.007194,11

 Perhaps in other areas too, so please check.
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Re: [talk-ph] New bing imagery Batch 9

[ianlopez]

(most of) Corregidor and southern Bataan are now covered (though the 
mountainous portions are covered with clouds): 
http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#14.381933,120.592117,14

 
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 From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] New bing imagery Batch 9
 
Impasugong, Bukidnon:
http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#8.37384,124.964547,14


On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:25 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Found one over Bulacan and Nueva Ecija:

 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#15.40172,121.007194,11

 Perhaps in other areas too, so please check.
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Re: [talk-ph] New bing imagery Batch 9

[maning sambale]

West of Iloilo:
http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#10.719309,122.27972,14

Negros:
http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.822488,122.642354,14
http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.776308,122.912378,14


On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lobo Batangas down to Mindoro:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#13.669798,121.235632,14

 Corregidor to Orion:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#14.384323,120.582654,15

 Mountains east of Bangar?:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#16.822493,120.484099,14

 Bontoc:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.091644,120.977035,16

 Apayao:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.985713,120.94295,14

 Calayan Islands and northern islands and the rest of Cagayan:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#19.31175,121.468749,14

 Babuyan Island:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#19.519872,121.93335,14

 East of Ilagan, Isabela:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.075779,122.099432,14

 Gumaca, Quezon going south to Marinduque:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#13.896201,122.083811,14

 Mercedes?:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#14.026975,123.017735,14

 Ticao:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#12.622791,123.649449,14

 Palawan:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.922987,118.631615,14
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#8.957441,118.024449,14



 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:37 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Impasugong, Bukidnon:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#8.37384,124.964547,14


 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:25 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Found one over Bulacan and Nueva Ecija:

 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#15.40172,121.007194,11

 Perhaps in other areas too, so please check.
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[talk-ph] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map

[Michael Collinson]

A cool resource:

http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/?zoom=6lat=13.03003lon=124.15394layers=BT

 Original Message 
Subject:[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map
Date:   Mon, 10 Sep 2012 13:33:10 +0400
From:   Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru
To: t...@openstreetmap.org


Hi!

As you know, almost half a year ago a GPX Planet was released
(http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/04/01/bulk-gps-point-data/). At the
time I expressed a hope that someone would process that file, making
tile layer and regional extracts. Alas, in those months the file has
only been statistically analyzed (thanks to Pascal Neis and Steven Kay),
but no practical use for that array of data has been found. Well, as
they say, OSM is do-ocracy: if you want something, the only way to get
it is to do it yourself. So, after several weeks of coding and
impatiently waiting for processing to finish, I present to you:

1) A tile layer of GPS points for the whole world down to zoom 11:
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/
2) Regional extracts, so you won't have to wait several hours cutting
your country out of the planet dump:
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/files/extracts/
3) All tools that were used to build that map and those extracts:
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/gps-tracks/gpxplanet_tools/
4) A nice poster with GPS points, some statistics and interesting
facts:
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/files/world-gps-points-120604-2048.png

What are uses of this? By this time I found two:

a) Now you can adjust your trip plans to collect GPS tracks where there
are none in OpenStreetMap database. Sorry, Germany, it's almost
impossible in your country. But I was surprised to find some untrodden
secondary and even primary roads in hilly regions not far from my city.

b) The redaction bot has removed not only whole objects, but a lot of
nodes from inside highways. Overlaying the OSM layer with GPS points map
makes it very clear where a road deviates from GPS tracks, because the
bot ate some of its nodes, or because it was straightened by road
workers, and the mapper who updated it didn't bother to upload a fresh
track.

And since the GPS tile layer is useful for restoring the road network,
I've made tiles up to zoom 15 for Poland, with green dots for using in
JOSM. Just add
tms[15]:http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/poland/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png as a
TMS layer, and you're good.

I hope to see more uses to the GPX Planet, and to see it updated more
often. Also, I'd like to remind Ian and Grant about their unfinished
tool: https://github.com/iandees/planet-gpx-dump/ ;)

Thanks,
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Re: [talk-ph] New bing imagery Batch 9

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Finally, we have satellite imagery of the Batangas Racing Circuit,
home of the F3 in the Philippines!
http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#13.821328,121.276407,17

I've been waiting for Google to get imagery in this area. It seems
Bing is now first and now we can trace it into OpenStreetMap too!

:D


On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:11 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 West of Iloilo:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#10.719309,122.27972,14

 Negros:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.822488,122.642354,14
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.776308,122.912378,14


 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lobo Batangas down to Mindoro:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#13.669798,121.235632,14

 Corregidor to Orion:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#14.384323,120.582654,15

 Mountains east of Bangar?:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#16.822493,120.484099,14

 Bontoc:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.091644,120.977035,16

 Apayao:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.985713,120.94295,14

 Calayan Islands and northern islands and the rest of Cagayan:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#19.31175,121.468749,14

 Babuyan Island:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#19.519872,121.93335,14

 East of Ilagan, Isabela:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.075779,122.099432,14

 Gumaca, Quezon going south to Marinduque:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#13.896201,122.083811,14

 Mercedes?:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#14.026975,123.017735,14

 Ticao:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#12.622791,123.649449,14

 Palawan:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.922987,118.631615,14
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#8.957441,118.024449,14



 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:37 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Impasugong, Bukidnon:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#8.37384,124.964547,14


 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:25 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Found one over Bulacan and Nueva Ecija:

 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#15.40172,121.007194,11

 Perhaps in other areas too, so please check.

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Re: [talk-ph] Software Freedom Day 2012

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

Software Freedom Day is already on this coming Saturday. OSMPH has a
lecture/presentation about OpenStreetMap which is part of the FOSS for
Open Content and Visualization track.

The schedule is from 1:00pm to 1:40pm at the UP Diliman College of
Education Laboratory. Map of the College of Education (Benitez Hall):
http://osm.org/go/4zhTlYRxw--?m

Hope you guys can come, help out, and meet other OSMPH people. :)


On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:42 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 This year's Software Freedom Day organized by Computer Professionals
 Union will be on September 15, 2012 at the University of the
 Philippines Diliman.
 OSM-PH will have a speaking slot in the breakout session.  I invite
 OSMers to join.  More details in teh SFD facebook page [0].

 [0] https://www.facebook.com/SFDPhils

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Re: [talk-ph] New bing imagery Batch 9

[maning sambale]

Weird, I don't see the imagery updates in some areas anymore.

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Finally, we have satellite imagery of the Batangas Racing Circuit,
 home of the F3 in the Philippines!
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#13.821328,121.276407,17

 I've been waiting for Google to get imagery in this area. It seems
 Bing is now first and now we can trace it into OpenStreetMap too!

 :D


 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:11 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 West of Iloilo:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#10.719309,122.27972,14

 Negros:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.822488,122.642354,14
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.776308,122.912378,14


 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lobo Batangas down to Mindoro:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#13.669798,121.235632,14

 Corregidor to Orion:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#14.384323,120.582654,15

 Mountains east of Bangar?:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#16.822493,120.484099,14

 Bontoc:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.091644,120.977035,16

 Apayao:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.985713,120.94295,14

 Calayan Islands and northern islands and the rest of Cagayan:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#19.31175,121.468749,14

 Babuyan Island:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#19.519872,121.93335,14

 East of Ilagan, Isabela:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.075779,122.099432,14

 Gumaca, Quezon going south to Marinduque:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#13.896201,122.083811,14

 Mercedes?:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#14.026975,123.017735,14

 Ticao:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#12.622791,123.649449,14

 Palawan:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.922987,118.631615,14
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#8.957441,118.024449,14



 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:37 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Impasugong, Bukidnon:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#8.37384,124.964547,14


 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:25 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Found one over Bulacan and Nueva Ecija:

 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#15.40172,121.007194,11

 Perhaps in other areas too, so please check.



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Re: [talk-ph] New bing imagery Batch 9

[maning sambale]

Never mind, must be my bing api:
http://ant.dev.openstreetmap.org/bingimageanalyzer/?lat=13.821528550015657lon=121.27760594742966zoom=19

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:17 AM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Weird, I don't see the imagery updates in some areas anymore.

 On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Finally, we have satellite imagery of the Batangas Racing Circuit,
 home of the F3 in the Philippines!
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#13.821328,121.276407,17

 I've been waiting for Google to get imagery in this area. It seems
 Bing is now first and now we can trace it into OpenStreetMap too!

 :D


 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:11 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 West of Iloilo:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#10.719309,122.27972,14

 Negros:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.822488,122.642354,14
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.776308,122.912378,14


 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lobo Batangas down to Mindoro:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#13.669798,121.235632,14

 Corregidor to Orion:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#14.384323,120.582654,15

 Mountains east of Bangar?:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#16.822493,120.484099,14

 Bontoc:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.091644,120.977035,16

 Apayao:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.985713,120.94295,14

 Calayan Islands and northern islands and the rest of Cagayan:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#19.31175,121.468749,14

 Babuyan Island:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#19.519872,121.93335,14

 East of Ilagan, Isabela:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#17.075779,122.099432,14

 Gumaca, Quezon going south to Marinduque:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#13.896201,122.083811,14

 Mercedes?:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#14.026975,123.017735,14

 Ticao:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#12.622791,123.649449,14

 Palawan:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#9.922987,118.631615,14
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#8.957441,118.024449,14



 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:37 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Impasugong, Bukidnon:
 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#8.37384,124.964547,14


 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 5:25 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Found one over Bulacan and Nueva Ecija:

 http://maning.github.com/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#15.40172,121.007194,11

 Perhaps in other areas too, so please check.



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 cheers,
 maning
 --
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 blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
 --



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] zone met holle weg - landuse=conservation ?

[Ivo De Broeck]

Thx of natural=wood ?

Op 8 september 2012 20:55 schreef Sander Deryckere
sander...@gmail.comhet volgende:

 Als ik de omschrijving zie van landuse=conservation, dan blijkt het iets
 te zijn dat het bezoeken waard is. Iets tussen een bos en een park.

 Aangezien het stuk grond niet echt gebruikt wordt denk ik dat landuse
 ook geen goede key is. Ik denk dat natural een betere key is.
 Natural=scrub past waarschijnlijk wel.

 Mvg,
 Sander
 Op 8 sep. 2012 18:58 schreef Ivo De Broeck ivo.debro...@gmail.com het
 volgende:

 Is landuse=conservation een juiste tag voor de zone rond holle wegen
 (waarvan de beide bermen begroeid zijn met struiken en soms zelfs met
 kleine of grote bomen)? Forest lijkt mij iets overdreven.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Meeting 12/09 - Réunion 12/09 OpenData Wallonia

[Julien Fastré]

Hi,

I am sorry for the late answer. I was busy all the week-end.

Living in Liege, it is not possible for me to help you...

- I am going to switch to French -

Pour la réunion de mercredi: nous pensions proposerune très courte
présentation sur l'open data, l'importance des licence, l'importance de
présenter et d'organiser les données (et dans des formats ouverts) et
l'importance d'animer les données (comme ça a été le cas à Rennes). Etc.

On doit encore la préparer... toute aide est la bienvenue :-)

Pour le SPW, aucune idée de qui sera présent mais ça sera, je pense, les
directeurs et responsables des départements.

Bien à toi,
Julien FASTRE



Le 07/09/2012 13:12, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
 Hello,

 I can make it and would be very interested to join on 12/9 @ 19h30. i
 would be looking for a cotraveller. I can provide the car but would
 not like to travel alone from Brussels (Hemann Debroux) to namur.

 What is the agenda of the meeting ?
 Who will represent the administration(s) ? The minister ?

 Thanks,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Shoud OSM Help move to Stackexchange community?

[Mike]

I vote against this.

One thing that always bothered me on OSM is that for every new section 
of the OSM I had to open new account. That is ridiculous. It there were 
not other reasons I liked OSM I would go away just for that.


I do not think that if user needs help he has to open new account to get 
it would help recruiting new people. žon the contrarz, OSM shozld work 
on that user opens single account on OSM and use it for everything he 
does on OSM.


About recruiting...

Generally, I agree that there is a need for more people. But, I do not 
think new people should be recruited for all cost. If OSM goes that way 
it will become new Google where ignorants enter false or low quality 
data all the time. Fixing bad data on map is much harder than entering 
it from scratch.


OSM does need more mappers, but mappers who do know haw to do quality 
mapping.


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[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map

[Ilya Zverev]

Hi!

As you know, almost half a year ago a GPX Planet was released 
(http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/04/01/bulk-gps-point-data/). At the 
time I expressed a hope that someone would process that file, making 
tile layer and regional extracts. Alas, in those months the file has 
only been statistically analyzed (thanks to Pascal Neis and Steven Kay), 
but no practical use for that array of data has been found. Well, as 
they say, OSM is do-ocracy: if you want something, the only way to get 
it is to do it yourself. So, after several weeks of coding and 
impatiently waiting for processing to finish, I present to you:


1) A tile layer of GPS points for the whole world down to zoom 11: 
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/
2) Regional extracts, so you won't have to wait several hours cutting 
your country out of the planet dump: 
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/files/extracts/
3) All tools that were used to build that map and those extracts: 
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/gps-tracks/gpxplanet_tools/
4) A nice poster with GPS points, some statistics and interesting 
facts: 
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/files/world-gps-points-120604-2048.png


What are uses of this? By this time I found two:

a) Now you can adjust your trip plans to collect GPS tracks where there 
are none in OpenStreetMap database. Sorry, Germany, it's almost 
impossible in your country. But I was surprised to find some untrodden 
secondary and even primary roads in hilly regions not far from my city.


b) The redaction bot has removed not only whole objects, but a lot of 
nodes from inside highways. Overlaying the OSM layer with GPS points map 
makes it very clear where a road deviates from GPS tracks, because the 
bot ate some of its nodes, or because it was straightened by road 
workers, and the mapper who updated it didn't bother to upload a fresh 
track.


And since the GPS tile layer is useful for restoring the road network, 
I've made tiles up to zoom 15 for Poland, with green dots for using in 
JOSM. Just add 
tms[15]:http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/poland/{zoom}/{x}/{y}.png as a 
TMS layer, and you're good.


I hope to see more uses to the GPX Planet, and to see it updated more 
often. Also, I'd like to remind Ian and Grant about their unfinished 
tool: https://github.com/iandees/planet-gpx-dump/ ;)


Thanks,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Shoud OSM Help move to Stackexchange community?

[Graham Stewart (GrahamS)]

This move makes some sense to me. There is a degree of cross-over between
StackExchange sites as user profiles and badges can show all StackExchange
sites that a user posts on. So this might well bring in curious new users,
or just help to raise our profile a bit.

However I'm not convinced that we have enough people using the existing
help.osm to reach critical mass on the StackExchange Area51 beta system:
http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq

(BTW I'm amazed that some technical folk have never heard of StackExchange
or StackOverflow. Where have you been? :) )



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[sabas88]

2012/9/10 Graham Stewart (GrahamS) gra...@dalmuti.net

 This move makes some sense to me. There is a degree of cross-over between
 StackExchange sites as user profiles and badges can show all StackExchange
 sites that a user posts on. So this might well bring in curious new users,
 or just help to raise our profile a bit.

 However I'm not convinced that we have enough people using the existing
 help.osm to reach critical mass on the StackExchange Area51 beta system:
 http://area51.stackexchange.com/faq

 I knew StackExchange, but I didn't see how it works.. Interesting.
On the sites list (http://stackexchange.com/sites) I see there's the QA
for Wordpress and Drupal (official?) but, as regards the OSM area of
interest, there's the GIS site (http://gis.stackexchange.com/).
And I assume in OSM there'd be more critical mass than in Homebrewing (
http://homebrew.stackexchange.com/) :-D


 (BTW I'm amazed that some technical folk have never heard of StackExchange
 or StackOverflow. Where have you been? :) )




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Re: [OSM-talk] Shoud OSM Help move to Stackexchange community?

[Robert Scott]

On Monday 10 September 2012, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) wrote:
 This move makes some sense to me.

Yes, let's take our existing, fully-working and independent system - and more 
importantly its valuable archive - and put it in the hands of (and at the whim 
of) a commercial entity desperately trying to make money out of a service that 
people don't want to pay for.

There is _definitely_ no way this could go wrong. We would _definitely_ not 
regret this.


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map

[SomeoneElse]

Ilya Zverev wrote:


1) A tile layer of GPS points for the whole world down to zoom 11: 
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/


Thanks - that's really useful.  It's really easy to see which bits have 
been mapped locally or remotely!


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Re: [OSM-talk] Shoud OSM Help move to Stackexchange community?

[Richard Fairhurst]

Mike wrote:
 One thing that always bothered me on OSM is that for every new 
 section of the OSM I had to open new account. That is ridiculous.

You don't. Honest. We just have two logins: the main login, and the wiki.
trac.osm.org, help.osm.org, and forum.osm.org all use the main login.

cheers
Richard
who is slightly bemused by this whole thread and not quite sure what's wrong
with _both_ OSM having its own help site, and people being available on
StackExchange to answer OSM-related questions





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Re: [OSM-talk] manual import of LSIB data to repair redaction damage to borders

[Michael Krämer]

Hi,

from the amount of responses I guess borders are a topic not too many
people are interested in...

2012/9/7 Ian Villeda vill...@mapbox.com

 I've noticed that international borders all over Central America and the
 Caribbean were damaged by the redaction[1].  I'm proposing a limited,
 manual import of USAID's LSIB data[2] to repair the border between Haiti
 and the DR. Data is owned and maintained by the US Federral Gov't so it is
 public domain (and many of existing borders look like they were originally
 imported from US Census Bureau or CIA data). Data look as highly resolved
 as the existing borders (or better), and not too node-y, although I will be
 sure to simplify any offending segments.


I agree that the data is pretty good, often even better than existing data
e.g. from the CIA World Database. I have used that for example to update
the border between Sudan and South Sudan.


 The ogr2osm translation function[3] includes only admin_level= and
 boundary=administrative tags - there's no other relevant attributes in the
 source data.


I would rather not tag these to the way itself but cover this using the
relations. But I would add a source-Tag to the way, e.g. I had used
source=Large Scale International Boundary (US DoS/INR/GGI). But as I just
noticed that the data got updated recently I would now probably also
include the month/year of the edition used.

I don't know if that's relevant for the borders you're looking at but I
remember that there's some attribute classifying the status of the border
i.e. if there's any dispute or so. If there's any variation I think it
would be valuable to maintain the information somehow.


 Once in josm, I plan on manually copying the way segments from the import
 layer into an active editing layer and manually connect imported segments
 to exising ways + include them in the relevant relations. I've included a
 sample osm file here[4] that you can review. Let me know what you think
 about the border repair plan and what I'm missing. thanks,


The plan sounds fine to me.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi,


On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru wrote:
 Hi!

 As you know, almost half a year ago a GPX Planet was released
 (http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/04/01/bulk-gps-point-data/). At the time
 I expressed a hope that someone would process that file, making tile layer
 and regional extracts. Alas, in those months the file has only been
 statistically analyzed (thanks to Pascal Neis and Steven Kay), but no
 practical use for that array of data has been found. Well, as they say, OSM
 is do-ocracy: if you want something, the only way to get it is to do it
 yourself. So, after several weeks of coding and impatiently waiting for
 processing to finish, I present to you:

 1) A tile layer of GPS points for the whole world down to zoom 11:
 http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/

Cool to see this on a map, and indeed useful for remapping. Also, it
reminds me to upload more GPS tracks. I almost never do that anymore.
Maybe if I could do it straight from JOSM


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map

[maning sambale]

Of course you can with the upload trace plugin

Maning Sambale
On Sep 10, 2012 9:57 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hi,


 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru wrote:
  Hi!
 
  As you know, almost half a year ago a GPX Planet was released
  (http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/04/01/bulk-gps-point-data/). At the
 time
  I expressed a hope that someone would process that file, making tile
 layer
  and regional extracts. Alas, in those months the file has only been
  statistically analyzed (thanks to Pascal Neis and Steven Kay), but no
  practical use for that array of data has been found. Well, as they say,
 OSM
  is do-ocracy: if you want something, the only way to get it is to do it
  yourself. So, after several weeks of coding and impatiently waiting for
  processing to finish, I present to you:
 
  1) A tile layer of GPS points for the whole world down to zoom 11:
  http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/

 Cool to see this on a map, and indeed useful for remapping. Also, it
 reminds me to upload more GPS tracks. I almost never do that anymore.
 Maybe if I could do it straight from JOSM


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi,

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:06 AM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 Of course you can with the upload trace plugin

 Maning Sambale

Thanks!

Another thing I noticed is how many people apparently successfully
record traces from airplaines. I almost never get a signal on an
airplane. Do you keep the receiver in your checked luggage?
Maybe not the most useful thing for OSM, but I was just curious..

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map

[Jochen Topf]

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 08:15:50AM -0600, Martijn van Exel wrote:
 Another thing I noticed is how many people apparently successfully
 record traces from airplaines. I almost never get a signal on an
 airplane. Do you keep the receiver in your checked luggage?
 Maybe not the most useful thing for OSM, but I was just curious..

The reception is only marginal. Worked for me only when I switched on the
receiver before entering the airplane and having a good GPS fix then.

And, btw, barometric altimeters as they have in some GPS units give you very
wrong results in planes. :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Shoud OSM Help move to Stackexchange community?

[Brian DeRocher]

I agree with Robert completely.  Also, running our own OSQA Help site gives us 
the flexibility to customize it to the special needs of OSM, even if that means 
modifying source code.  That includes integration with OSM sites like the map, 
the wiki, bug tracking, etc.

I'm standing up an OSQA site to support MappingDC as a way to share ideas and 
promote them within our community.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Imports] manual import of LSIB data to repair redaction damage to borders

[Ian Villeda]

Severin, 

 I do not know well his USAID data but for sure the OCHA COD border is 
 official and ODbL compatible. 

Thanks. All gov't owned and maintained by the US federal gov't should be public 
domain and this ODbL compatible. see:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Out-of-copyright_maps#US

Michael, thanks for the thoughts/feedback. 

But I would add a source-Tag to the way, e.g. I had used source=Large Scale 
International Boundary (US DoS/INR/GGI). But as I just noticed that the data 
got updated recently I would now probably also include the month/year of the 
edition used. 

definitely. I will include the source + version. 

unless there are other objections, I'm going to ahead with this. thanks again, 

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map

[Michael Collinson]

On 10/09/2012 11:33, Ilya Zverev wrote:
1) A tile layer of GPS points for the whole world down to zoom 11: 
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/
2) Regional extracts, so you won't have to wait several hours cutting 
your country out of the planet dump: 
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/files/extracts/
3) All tools that were used to build that map and those extracts: 
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/gps-tracks/gpxplanet_tools/ 

4) A nice poster with GPS points, some statistics and interesting 
facts: 
http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/files/world-gps-points-120604-2048.png


Ilya,

Great work and I love the map (no tracks higher than zoom level 11 
because of resources?) ... I can see my next out-of-Stockholm cycle 
rides already.  Our GPX respository is a very undeveloped resource, it 
is good to see some thought and effort going into how to leverage it.


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map

[Stephan Knauss]

On 10.09.2012 11:33, Ilya Zverev wrote:

Alas, in those months the file has
only been statistically analyzed (thanks to Pascal Neis and Steven Kay),
but no practical use for that array of data has been found.


Probably no one is interested in GPS points any more.

I had developed a JOSM plugin and a server backend to download very fast 
blocks of GPS data.
I assumed it be a good companion to the overpass mirror of OSM data. And 
fetching GPS points from the API is sometimes slow as hell.


My demo implementation consisted of a JOSM extension and a server 
backend to provide GPS points (full resolution).


The planned architecture also took intelligent caching and updating into 
account (in case more GPS exports would be available).


I asked around for some feedback, but no one was interested in that plugin.

I considered it useful for aligning aerial images and remapping some 
areas, but as no feedback arrived at all I did not put further energy 
into development.


My server resources would not allow to provide it on a global scale 
anyway. My demo data covers Thailand, in case someone wants to give it a 
try.


Regarding your project: Z11 is way to highlevel. Have you thought about 
better resolution? Maybe Z19 or Z20?


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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map

[Philip Barnes]

On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 17:05 +0200, Jochen Topf wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 08:15:50AM -0600, Martijn van Exel wrote:
  Another thing I noticed is how many people apparently successfully
  record traces from airplaines. I almost never get a signal on an
  airplane. Do you keep the receiver in your checked luggage?
  Maybe not the most useful thing for OSM, but I was just curious..
 
 The reception is only marginal. Worked for me only when I switched on the
 receiver before entering the airplane and having a good GPS fix then.
 
 And, btw, barometric altimeters as they have in some GPS units give you very
 wrong results in planes. :-)
 
I have never had a problem using a GPS on an aircraft. Virgin Voyagers
are another matter however, awful glass that blocks GPS and mobile
signals.

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap GPS Points Map

[Ilya Zverev]

Stephan Knauss:

I had developed a JOSM plugin and a server backend to download very 
fast

blocks of GPS data.
I assumed it be a good companion to the overpass mirror of OSM data. 
And

fetching GPS points from the API is sometimes slow as hell.


But how do you deal with private and otherwise restricted GPS tracks? 
They are the main reason we still don't have full GPX planet, afaik.


I asked around for some feedback, but no one was interested in that 
plugin.


Did you announce it anywhere? I haven't heard about such plugin.


My server resources would not allow to provide it on a global scale
anyway. My demo data covers Thailand, in case someone wants to give 
it a

try.


That's the major problem: covering the whole planet with 
high-resolution tiles should require an awful lot of resources, which I 
don't have, and if anyone else had, he would spend them on more useful 
tasks.


Regarding your project: Z11 is way to highlevel. Have you thought 
about

better resolution? Maybe Z19 or Z20?


All tiles are prerendered. I considered loading GPS points into 
database, but the required storage size is just ridiculous. So, there 
are ~300K tiles now. For zoom 12 there would be ~500K more. But zoom 12 
doesn't differ from zoom 11 much on osm.org default map style, thus 
we'll need zoom 13 tiles, millions of them. It is simply unpractical. 
That's why I've released all of the tools, to allow everybody to 
generate tiles just for their country, region or a town.


Actually, there are areas with higher prerendered zooms on the 
announced map: Western Russia is processed up to zoom 14, and Poland -- 
to zoom 15. I think that lacking sequential information (that is, when 
points are not connected), it is pointless to go below zoom 17: check 
Alex Morega's map at http://maps.grep.ro/ where he rendered points at 
zoom 17 a year ago. But then, if the purpose of tiles is to validate 
existing highways, zoom 15 is enough. For mapping, points are not enough 
regardless of zoom: speed and direction are as important as coordinates, 
and the current points dump does not, and could not have such 
information.



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[OSM-talk] State Of The Map US wiki

[Martijn van Exel]

Hi all,

I brushed off the SOTM US wiki page so it reflects the current status
(it was still at 'we chose Portland for a location!')

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2012

There's a section 'who's going' where we can coordinate travel / hotel
plans if necessary. Other than that there's not a lot there that I
haven't shared on this list yet, but the wiki page would be a good
place to coordinate social events / mapping parties and stuff, so do
keep an eye out for that!

Hope to see you in PDX!
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietsknopennet relatie ID 1569792

[Frank L]

Ik heb Jo toen verzocht om de knooppunten niet weg te halen uit de individuele 
relaties in het netwerk waar ik m.n. mee bezig ben (Stadsregio Arnhem Nijmegen, 
SAN) en hij heeft het gelaten zoals het was. Daar is het dus niet verwijderd.

Als je handmatig de boel onderhoud, dan heeft het nut om de knooppunt te 
handhaven in de relaties, zeker in het SAN netwerk. Het SAN-netwerk is groot, 
niet onderverdeeld in subregio's, en knooppuntnummers worden vaak herhaald. In 
het SAN (en een paar andere noordelijke netwerken) hebben knooppunten ook een 
(unieke?) naam (te vinden op de infopanelen). Nummer en naam samen zijn uniek 
voor een netwerk. Als je zelf de knooppunten bezoekt voordat je ermee aan de 
slag gaat, dan geeft de naam een herkenningspunt. Ik wil ze niet graag missen.

Verder: het staat nu wel in de wiki omdat Jo het zo heeft veranderd toen hij 
bezig was om alles weg te halen uit de netwerken.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jo 
  Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 4:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietsknopennet relatie ID 1569792


  Het staat op deze pagina:

  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_Node_Network_Tagging

  Ik heb die knooppunten weggehaald in alle netwerken die ik al had opgekuist, 
dus niet enkel in Peel en Maas. Nakijken of er minimaal 3 routes 
vertrekken/toekomen bij een knooppunt kan ook op een andere manier. Ik vind 
o.a. dat ze in de weg zitten bij het sorteren van de leden. Ze veroorzaken dus 
extra werk om in orde te houden.

  Moesten ze nu geen deel uitmaken van de wegen zelf, zoals bushaltes in 
OV-relaties, dan zou ik wel voorstander zijn om ze toe voegen aan de routes.

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietsknopennet relatie ID 1569792

[Jo]

Ik heb het toen besproken op de mailing lists en het forum en het daarna
gewijzigd in de wiki. In SAN had ik ze oorspronkelijk verwijderd, dan het
script aangepast en ze weer teruggezet m.b.v. het script omdat Frank dat
vroeg.

Het liefst zou 'k ze echter overal weghalen om alles op 1 lijn te trekken.
Ik merk trouwens ook dat ze nu in de wandelknooppuntennetwerken in
Nederland opduiken.

Oh well.

Polyglot

Op 10 september 2012 17:56 schreef Frank L frankl2...@xs4all.nl het
volgende:

 **
 Ik heb Jo toen verzocht om de knooppunten niet weg te halen uit de
 individuele relaties in het netwerk waar ik m.n. mee bezig ben (Stadsregio
 Arnhem Nijmegen, SAN) en hij heeft het gelaten zoals het was. Daar is het
 dus niet verwijderd.

 Als je handmatig de boel onderhoud, dan heeft het nut om de knooppunt te
 handhaven in de relaties, zeker in het SAN netwerk. Het SAN-netwerk is
 groot, niet onderverdeeld in subregio's, en knooppuntnummers worden vaak
 herhaald. In het SAN (en een paar andere noordelijke netwerken) hebben
 knooppunten ook een (unieke?) naam (te vinden op de infopanelen). Nummer en
 naam samen zijn uniek voor een netwerk. Als je zelf de knooppunten bezoekt
 voordat je ermee aan de slag gaat, dan geeft de naam een herkenningspunt.
 Ik wil ze niet graag missen.

 Verder: het staat nu wel in de wiki omdat Jo het zo heeft veranderd toen
 hij bezig was om alles weg te halen uit de netwerken.

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Jo winfi...@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Friday, September 07, 2012 4:24 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Fietsknopennet relatie ID 1569792

  Het staat op deze pagina:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_Node_Network_Tagging

 Ik heb die knooppunten weggehaald in alle netwerken die ik al had
 opgekuist, dus niet enkel in Peel en Maas. Nakijken of er minimaal 3 routes
 vertrekken/toekomen bij een knooppunt kan ook op een andere manier. Ik vind
 o.a. dat ze in de weg zitten bij het sorteren van de leden. Ze veroorzaken
 dus extra werk om in orde te houden.

 Moesten ze nu geen deel uitmaken van de wegen zelf, zoals bushaltes in
 OV-relaties, dan zou ik wel voorstander zijn om ze toe voegen aan de routes.

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Re: [talk-au] Few questions about tagging ways in Australia

[Ian Sergeant]

  
  
On 11/09/12 01:28, Steve Bennett wrote:
   

  On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:

  
Australian copyright law recognises that copyright can subsist in
compilation of facts.   Once copyright subsists, the only test is
"substantial part".

  
  Ok, for the sake of argument, how would provider A demonstrate that
OSM's data was made by copying its "compilation of facts", when
providers B and C contain exactly the same facts?



  I think that question equates to, how would you get caught? Well,
  firstly, I would hope that OSMers are honourable people.
  Secondly, if it came to a court case, would someone really perjure
  themselves, knowing that your Internet history, etc, for the last
  two years may be there to be subpoened? 
  


  
If everyone copied just one street name, that's
around 200,000 street names copied.  Is that substantial?  In addition
to that we have the terms of service that attempt to prevent copying
any part of them, specifically prohibiting building a databases of
places or listings.

  
  Certainly - but breaching terms of service is not copyright infringement.



  The outcome after a successful case is much the same.


  I also have to say, there's a big grey area between "copying street
names to build a database" and "looking up street names out of
curiosity, while also building a database". 


 No there isn't. Imagine
  you are on a jury, and you have a defendant witness saying "I
  didn't copy street names, I just looked them up out of curiosity
  while I was also building a competing map product". 
  
  As I said, these twists and grey areas don't get us very far. OSM
  is a fun hobby, but it is also has the capability to do some real
  damage to the business models of some companies with large legal
  departments. Everybody can imagine their own way they believe is
  legitimate, but ultimately may well not be. The OSM community
  doesn't want to operate in a legal space where there is
  controversy.  We want to give our downstream data users the
  ability to create innovative data uses - even if they compete with
  commercial providers, knowing that our open data is free of
  impediment. That's why "Just Don't Do It", works best. 
  
  Ian. 

  


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Re: [talk-au] Few questions about tagging ways in Australia

[Stephen Hope]

On 11 September 2012 01:28, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:


 Ok, for the sake of argument, how would provider A demonstrate that
 OSM's data was made by copying its compilation of facts, when
 providers B and C contain exactly the same facts?


Because B and C would not contain the same facts. Every map source has
unique errors, some of which are put there on purpose. Streets that don't
exist, names spelt wrong, with the wrong road type, etc. It's not hard to
show where data comes from, if you copy a lot of it.

The third street I ever mapped, just down the road from my house at the
time, has slightly different names on the road signs, the local street
atlas, and google maps. I have no idea which of the three is officially
correct, but OSM has what's on the signs.

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Re: [talk-au] Few questions about tagging ways in Australia

[Nick Hocking]

John wrote  Turn off the snap to road feature to avoid copying the
existing map.



Absolutely.


On some of the older Garmin Nuvi's if you had the snap to road option on
then the track log would still be the actual gps readings, but on my newest
one the track log also snaps to the road .
Unfortunately I can't find out how to turn off snap to road  (Garmin
3590lmt) so I'm now using a dedicated data logger. (I-O-Data.)  It's in
Japanese but I'm sure I'll get the hang of it soon :-)

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[talk-au] Getting is right

[Brett Russell]

Hi

I have been looking at few commercial mapping products closely and it is 
interesting to see the errors. 

1. Wrong names used.

2. Peaks in the wrong place. 

3. Tracks that cross lakes. 

4. Tracks that start and end in the middle of no where. 

5.  Tracks massively out of date or just plain wrong. 

6.  Zoom levels not optimized for intended use.  By that walking tracks or 
cycle routes disappear way too quickly as you zoom out. 

7.  Claimed level of detail simply not there. 

By comparison with OSM is nearly always missing data but hey that is for me to 
fix if it annoys me. 

My only concern is some evil mapper will use the efforts and then attempt a 
legal war of attrition to make life hard.  Have not seen a sign of this yet.  

But I am curious that using the List in Tassie to check names is wrong?  It is 
a Government service and one that actually forces  name changes such as the 
removable of possessive names and even names it does not like.  Russell Fallls 
for example was not correct but it subsequently decreed to be.  The government 
surveyor stuffed that up many years ago. 

The List is the official bible for place names and surely checking OSM against 
it can not be so wrong.  Sure downloading chunks is a different story.  

OSM will eventually be a worry to commercial mappers so care is needed but the 
only way to get the names of geographic freatures is this source as signs just 
do not exist.   Local knowledge actually comes from maps at some point in the 
past. 

Cheers
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Re: [Talk-tr] yeni JOSM başlayanlar için türkçe kılavuz

[Orkut Murat YILMAZ]

biz vaktiyle http://www.learnosm.org/ içeriğini TR'ye çevirmiştik.
isterseniz buradan paylaşabilirim. olur mu?

2012/9/8 Sahin besiktas...@gmail.com

 İyi bir İngilizce döküman belirleyip/hazırlayıp bir wiki sayfasında online
 olarak çevirisine girişebiliriz. Ne dersiniz?
 Şahin

  ya yeni JOSM başlayanlar için hiç türkçe kılavuz yok mu?
 ingilizce bilmeyeneler için aslında çok lazım...
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Re: [Talk-br] (Re-)mapaton IBGE

[Wille]

Descubri hoje esse site que renderiza as trilhas de GPS enviadas para o 
OSM: http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps


Assim podemos ver onde é necessário fazer viagens com GPS e onde há 
trilhas de GPS que ainda não foram utilizadas para traçar as vias no OSM.


On 07-09-2012 14:00, Vitor Sessak wrote:

Claro, sem problema. Demora 5 minutos pra atualisa-lo.

On 09/07/2012 06:13 PM, Vitor George wrote:

Eu quis dizer se você pode atualizar este arquivo semanalmente.



2012/9/7 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com
mailto:vitor.geo...@gmail.com

Muito boa iniciativa Vitor.

Você que pode atualizar este arquivo semanalmente até que tudo já
esteja remapeado?

Vitor

2012/9/7 Vitor Sessak vitor1...@gmail.com 
mailto:vitor1...@gmail.com


Olá a todos,

Para que não viu as outras mensagens da lista, o Aun deu a 
boa idéia
de fazer um mapaton hoje para remapear os dados imprecisos do 
IBGE.

Logo eu aproveitei para atualisar minha lista de vias que
precisam ser
remapeadas. O arquivo pode ser baixado em
http://sites.google.com/site/vsessak/IBGE_nao_modificado2.osm.gz .

Para quem quiser participar é simples:

1) Abrir o arquivo acima numa nova camada no JOSM. O arquivo é
composto de pontos e normalmente cada um corresponde à uma 
via pouco

precisa a ser remapeada.
2) Procurar um destes pontos onde tem imagens do Bing (de
preferência
de boa qualidade, mas se a de baixa resolução for boa o 
suficiente

para mapear serve).
3) Baixar os dados dos OSM numa camada diferente daquela do 
arquivo.

4) A não ser que um outro voluntário já tenha remapeado essa via
hoje,
ela deve ter um traçado bem ruim. Se for o caso, remapeie a 
via e

melhore a qualidade do OSM no Brasil :-)

[]'s
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Re: [Talk-br] (Re-)mapaton IBGE

[Aun Yngve Johnsen]

Podemos entra em contato com ele pedir um TMS do Brasil igual que ele ja fiz do 
Poland. Poder ajudar onde nao tem coberto do Bing alem do planejamento do novo 
trilhas.

Aun Y. Johnsen
Sent from my iPad
+55 (27) 9736-3919 (vivo)

On 10. sep. 2012, at 13:08, Wille wi...@wille.blog.br wrote:

 Descubri hoje esse site que renderiza as trilhas de GPS enviadas para o OSM: 
 http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps
 
 Assim podemos ver onde é necessário fazer viagens com GPS e onde há trilhas 
 de GPS que ainda não foram utilizadas para traçar as vias no OSM.
 
 On 07-09-2012 14:00, Vitor Sessak wrote:
 Claro, sem problema. Demora 5 minutos pra atualisa-lo.
 
 On 09/07/2012 06:13 PM, Vitor George wrote:
 Eu quis dizer se você pode atualizar este arquivo semanalmente.
 
 
 
 2012/9/7 Vitor George vitor.geo...@gmail.com
 mailto:vitor.geo...@gmail.com
 
Muito boa iniciativa Vitor.
 
Você que pode atualizar este arquivo semanalmente até que tudo já
esteja remapeado?
 
Vitor
 
2012/9/7 Vitor Sessak vitor1...@gmail.com mailto:vitor1...@gmail.com
 
Olá a todos,
 
Para que não viu as outras mensagens da lista, o Aun deu a boa idéia
de fazer um mapaton hoje para remapear os dados imprecisos do IBGE.
Logo eu aproveitei para atualisar minha lista de vias que
precisam ser
remapeadas. O arquivo pode ser baixado em
 http://sites.google.com/site/vsessak/IBGE_nao_modificado2.osm.gz .
 
Para quem quiser participar é simples:
 
1) Abrir o arquivo acima numa nova camada no JOSM. O arquivo é
composto de pontos e normalmente cada um corresponde à uma via pouco
precisa a ser remapeada.
2) Procurar um destes pontos onde tem imagens do Bing (de
preferência
de boa qualidade, mas se a de baixa resolução for boa o suficiente
para mapear serve).
3) Baixar os dados dos OSM numa camada diferente daquela do arquivo.
4) A não ser que um outro voluntário já tenha remapeado essa via
hoje,
ela deve ter um traçado bem ruim. Se for o caso, remapeie a via e
melhore a qualidade do OSM no Brasil :-)
 
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Re: [Talk-br] Reverter changeset?

[Arlindo Pereira]

Provavelmente fui eu no Rio de Janeiro, fui editar algumas coisas na Barra
da Tijuca e reparei que tinham vários sinais separados das vias e as editei
para inclui-los, apagando os nós originais. Mas foram muito poucos - 10,
talvez? -, numa área muito pequena e sempre conferindo no Bing.

[]s

2012/9/9 martin...@gmx.net

 Olá,

 acabei de fazer a reversão usando o plugin reverter:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Reverter

 Nem foi tão difícil. E tentei preservar alguns objetos que um outro colega
 moveu tão longe que deve ter usado conhecimentos locais (ou Bing).

 Aun Y. Johnsen wrote:
  Acho que este poder ser um caso por LWG ou si. Tem advogados e outros
  especialistas em licencas ai, e eles poder clareser se CC-by-NC e
  compatibel com ODbL

 Procurei no texto de CC-by-NC. Tem muitas aplicações do OSM que ele não
 permite:
 You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 above
 in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial
 advantage or private monetary compensation.

 Provavelmente o autor do MapaRadar botou essa licença exatamente para
 evitar que ele fique sem doações se alguém publica os dados num outro site.

 Abraço
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Re: [Talk-de] geplante und historische Objekte

[smarties]

Hi,

nein, gerade highway=construction ist ein Merkmal das besonders viele Menschen 
interresiert. Der Neubau von Straßen ist von enormen interesse in der gesamten 
Bevölkerung (nicht nur bei OSM-lern). Gerade bei Umgehungsstraßen, Autobahnen 
oder anderen Großprojekten bilden sich oft Interesengruppen und diese brauchen 
Karten um auf Ihr Interesse hinzuweisen. Das ist eine ideale Platform zur 
Weiterverbreitung von OpenStreetMap in der Presse und Bevölkerung. Daher ist es 
extrem wichtig das diese tags zumindest in Mapnik sichtbar bleiben.

Ich persönlich bevorzuge bei Straßen dabei das Fertigstellungsdatum als Name 
anzugeben wie es auch in gedruckten Karten üblich ist:
highway=construction
construction=primary
name=open 2013
name:when finished=zukünftiger Name

Beispiel:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.08lon=9.96463zoom=17layers=M


Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Stephan
aka smarties


 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Sun, 09 Sep 2012 12:41:29 +0200
 Von: Stephan Wolff s.wo...@web.de
 An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org
 Betreff: [Talk-de] geplante und historische Objekte

 Moin,
 
 in der OSM-Datenbank sind viele geplante, in Bau befindliche oder nicht 
 mehr genutzte Objekte enthalten. Dabei werden unterschiedliche Tags
 verwendet, um den Zustand anzuzeigen:
 - highway=construction; construction=unclassified
 - building=yes; construction=yes; note=Geplantes Gebäude
 - railway=halt; abandoned=yes
 - life_cycle=construction; railway=station
 - amenity=university; name=HafenCity Universität (im Bau)
 - highway=path; railway=abandoned; name=ehemalige Kleinbahn A-B
 Die erste Variante ist zumindest für highway etabiliert. Eine
 Übersicht über vorgeschlagenen Varinaten findet sich hier [1].
 
 Oft werden diese Objekte in der Mapnikkarte dargestellt. Das dürfte
 in den meisten Fällen vom betreffenden Mappern erwünscht sein oder
 sogar seine Tagauswahl bestimmt haben. Wenn in der Karte nicht erkennbar
 ist, ob ein Objekt in Bau oder aufgegeben ist, finde ich es ärgerlich.
 Noch unangenehmer ist es, wenn der Router den Nutzer statt zum nächsten
 Bahnhof, Krankenhaus, etc. zu einem Baufeld oder einer Ruine führt.
 
 Ist es legitim, bei solchen Objekten die Tags in status:key = 
 value umzuändern? Danach wird es üblicherweise nicht mehr in der
 Standardkarte dargestellt.
 Wie geht man dabei mit dem name-Tag um? Für ehemalige Objekte
 gibt es old_name, bei geplanten Einrichtungen gibt es keine
 Entsprechung.
 
 Viele Grüße
 Stephan
 
 [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_life_cycle_concepts
 
 
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Re: [Talk-de] British National Grid am Oregon 450

[UMAX974]

Danke - Schien mir erst nicht logisch Beim Nachlesen ist mir dann doch ein 
Licht aufgegangen :)


Am 09.09.2012 um 17:39 schrieb Jimmy_K:

 Servus,
 
 Alleine aus der Logik des Systems:
 SW 69900 BNG 42100
 
 
 LG Jimmy
 
 
 Am 08.09.2012 17:06, schrieb UMAX974:
 Hallo Liste,
 
 Irgendwie werde ich noch nicht ganz schlau aus den vielen infos im Netz zu 
 diesem tehma, denn meine Versuche ensprechende Daten einzugeben scheitern
 
 Ich finde in einigen Führern für England Geodaten z.B in der Form: SW 699421
 Diese möchte ich eigentlich so wie sie sind in mein OREGON 450 eingeben 
 
 wenn ich dort die Einstellungen auf Britisches Gitter ändere, erhalte ich 
 aber folgende Eingabeformat: -_ _   _ _ _ _ _
  
  
BNG _ _ _ _ _
 
 Leider finde ich hierfür wiederum keine Daten, die ich dort eingeben 
 könnte...
 
 Vermutlich ist das Problem simpel zu lösen, und ich bin nur zu blöd dafür.
 
 Wäre trotzen nett, wenn jemand eine Erklärung für dummies wie mich hat, wie 
 ich das möglichst einfach hinbekommen kann, dass das OREGON mit diesen 
 britischen Geodaten klar kommt. Danke
 
 Christian 
 
 
 
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Re: [Talk-de] geplante und historische Objekte

[Stephan Wolff]

Moin!

Am 10.09.2012 10:10, schrieb smart...@gmx-topmail.de:

nein, gerade highway=construction ist ein Merkmal das besonders viele Menschen 
interresiert.


Da hatte ich mich missverständlich ausgedrückt. highway=construction 
ist etabliert und ich nutze es selbst auch. Mir ging es um die übrigen,

häufig falsch ausgewerteten Schreibweisen.


Ich persönlich bevorzuge bei Straßen dabei das Fertigstellungsdatum als Name 
anzugeben wie es auch in gedruckten Karten üblich ist:
highway=construction
construction=primary
name=open 2013
name:when finished=zukünftiger Name


Das name-Tag beschreibt den Namen, nicht einen gewünschten Kartentext. 
In vielen Anwendungen (Straßenverzeichnissen, Routern, ...) führen 
solche Pseudonamen zu Fehlern.
Das geplante Eröffnungsdatum kann man in opening_date unterbringen. 
Wenn ein Kartenersteller es nützlich findet, kann er aus name und 
opening_date den Kartentext zusammensetzen.


Viele Grüße
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[Talk-de] Mapper/in in Berlin und Umgebung - Radiosendung

[news]

Liebe OSM-Community,

ich bin Journalist und recherchiere gerade für eine Radio-Sendung in der es um 
OpenSource gehen soll. Es handelt sich um eine Sendung für den SWR. Die Idee 
ist, OpenSource als Produktionsform ernst zu nehmen, die Chancen und 
Möglichkeiten aufzuzeigen und vielleicht ein bisschen an Visionen zu basteln, 
wie sich diese Art der gemeinschaftlichen Produktion (Enzyklopädien, 
Straßenkarten, Software, usw) weiterentwickeln könnte. So soll es auch 
etwas um Open-Source-Hardware gehen.

Meine Frage: Wäre jemand bereit, sich mit mir im Raum Berlin zu treffen und 
praktisch zu zeigen, wie die Mitarbeit bei OSM funktioniert und was man dafür 
braucht. Zum anderen würde mich auch interessieren, wie die jeweilige Mitarbeit 
im Projekt organisiert wird. D.h. wie kamen Sie dazu und was macht die 
Faszination aus?

Ich habe auch gesehen, dass es am Donnerstag einen Berliner OSM-Stammtisch in 
der c-base geben soll. Vielliecht wäre es auch möglich, sich dort erstmal zu 
treffen.

Ich freue mich über Rückmeldungen und hoffentlich bis bald,
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[Talk-de] rechtsschutz für osm-daten-verwerter

[Andreas Neumann]

Moin,

Der Subject drückt meine Frage eigentlich bereits aus... Sie ist vor
allem an die gestellt, die selber Webprojekte anbieten, in denen
OSM-Daten aufbereitet werden. Es ist natürlich schwieriger aus Geo-Daten
einen Rechtsbruch abzuleiten, aber nicht unmöglich. Die Fragen sind nun:

1. Schütz ihr euch in irgendeiner Weise vor Abmahnungen/Klagen?
2. Wie schützt ihr euch vor möglichen teuren Konsequenzen?

MfG Andreas

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Re: [Talk-de] rechtsschutz für osm-daten-verwerter

[Sven Geggus]

Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net wrote:

 1. Schütz ihr euch in irgendeiner Weise vor Abmahnungen/Klagen?

Inwiefern ist das Deiner Meinung nach notwendig?

Das Einzige was man IMO im Umfeld der Verwendung reiner OSM Daten falsch
machen kann ist die Attribution, die aufgrund des Lizenzwechsels gerade ein
wenig im Fluß ist.

Das Problem, dass man bei CC-by-SA ja eigentlich jeden Author nennen müsste
hat der Lizenzwechsel ja gerade behoben.

OK, einen weiteren Aspekt gibt es natürlich noch. Die ODBL verbietet, dass
man OSM Daten mit kommerziell lizensierten Daten mischt und da gibt es
eventuell eine Grauzone auf welcher Ebene man dabei trennen sollte. Die
Haltung in der selben Tabelle einer Datenbank würde ich hierbei tendenziell
als Verstoß werten verschiedene Tabellen sind OK.


Gruss

Sven

-- 
In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom
with the GNU GPL (Richard M. Stallman on www.gnu.org)

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Re: [Talk-de] rechtsschutz für osm-daten-verwerter

[Andreas Neumann]

Am 10.09.2012 15:34, schrieb Sven Geggus:
 Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net wrote:

 1. Schütz ihr euch in irgendeiner Weise vor Abmahnungen/Klagen?
 Inwiefern ist das Deiner Meinung nach notwendig?

 Das Einzige was man IMO im Umfeld der Verwendung reiner OSM Daten falsch
 machen kann ist die Attribution, die aufgrund des Lizenzwechsels gerade ein
 wenig im Fluß ist.

 Das Problem, dass man bei CC-by-SA ja eigentlich jeden Author nennen müsste
 hat der Lizenzwechsel ja gerade behoben.

 OK, einen weiteren Aspekt gibt es natürlich noch. Die ODBL verbietet, dass
 man OSM Daten mit kommerziell lizensierten Daten mischt und da gibt es
 eventuell eine Grauzone auf welcher Ebene man dabei trennen sollte. Die
 Haltung in der selben Tabelle einer Datenbank würde ich hierbei tendenziell
 als Verstoß werten verschiedene Tabellen sind OK.


 Gruss

 Sven

Du gehst zu blauäugig ran.
1. Es trägt jemand Daten ein, die nicht öffentlich sind (Private
Telefonnummern usw.)
2. Es überträgt jemand Daten aus Quellen die nicht frei sein.
3. Es werden Beleidigungen oder Datenmanipulationen zu Lasten Dritter
eingegeben.

All diese Daten werden durch meine Seite nur aufbereitet, navigierbar
gemacht und dargestellt. Dennoch bin ich nicht davor gefeiht auch
rechtlich belangt zu werden, obwohl ich doch nur auf eine eigentlich
freie Datenbank zurückgreife. Bestes Beispiel: Die Story, die
OffenesKoeln letztens mit den Stadtplanausschnitten passiert ist...

Würde ich eine Seite betreiben, auf der nur von mir geprüfte Daten
angezeigt werden, hätte ich weniger bammel, aber wenn ich automatisiert
täglich die OSM-Daten importiere und diese Darstelle, weiß ich nicht,
was Nutzer NachbarHeinz eingetragen hat, um den Nutzer TanteGertrud eine
auszuwischen. Bzw. wie es die Stadt so schön formuliert hat: Wie kann
man sicherstellen, dass zum 90. Geburtstag von Opa Alfred nicht der
Zentrale Platz nach ihm benannt wird...

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Re: [Talk-de] News report license switch done

[Manfred A. Reiter]

Hallo Sven, *,

interessanter Ansatz, den Du da aufzeigst ...
wundert mich, warum das nicht diskutiert wird ;-)

Am 9. September 2012 14:48 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de
:

 Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:

 [...]


 Ich bin ja immer noch der Meinung, dass man die Stildateien unter
 irgendeiner einer Softwarelizenz veröffenlichen sollte, denn eine
 solche ist ja normalem Quellcode nicht ganz unähnlich.

 Ich finde die Analogie Quellcode+Compiler=Compilat zu
 Stylefile+Mapnik=Karte eigentlich recht passend.


und die Daten aus der Datenbank die sind dann Beiwerk zum Compiler?


 Komischerweise fragt bei Software niemand unter welcher Lizenz das
 compilat steht.


oder doch?

vergl.
OSS und irgendwelche EULA Software ;-)


GLG

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Re: [Talk-de] rechtsschutz für osm-daten-verwerter

[Frederik Ramm]

Hallo,

On 09/10/2012 03:49 PM, Andreas Neumann wrote:

All diese Daten werden durch meine Seite nur aufbereitet, navigierbar
gemacht und dargestellt. Dennoch bin ich nicht davor gefeiht auch
rechtlich belangt zu werden,


Leider wird das Rechtssystem zu oft missbraucht, um Leuten Aerger zu 
machen, statt Recht zu schaffen. Du kannst Dich sicherlich niemals 
komplett gegen Schwierigkeiten absichern.


Ich wuerde mich allerdings immer auf den Standpunkt stellen, dass Du wie 
ein Forenbetreiber handelst, der ja auch nicht alles lesen kann, was die 
Leute bei ihm posten. Wenn Dich jemand auf ein Problem aufmerksam macht, 
dann musst Du willens und in der Lage sein, zu handeln (notfalls, indem 
Du Dein ganzes System abschaltest, bis bei OSM der Platz nicht mehr nach 
Opa Alfred heisst - idealerweise natuerlich nuancierter).


Solange sich niemand bei Dir beschwert, kann auch keiner ernsthaft von 
Dir erwarten, dass Du sicherstellst, dass kein Unfug passiert.


Diese gesunder Menschenverstand-Einstellung schuetzt natuerlich nicht 
davor, dass jemand gegen Dich klagt - aber jemand kann auch gegen Dich 
klagen, weil er sich von Dir beleidigt fuehlst, weil Du am Sonntag Deine 
Unterwaesche zum Trocknen auf dem Balkon aufgehaengt hast.


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Re: [Talk-de] rechtsschutz für osm-daten-verwerter

[Sven Geggus]

Andreas Neumann andr-neum...@gmx.net wrote:

 Du gehst zu blauäugig ran.

Nein! Hätte ich Deine Bedenken dürfte ich auch keine freien Betriebssysteme
verwenden.

 1. Es trägt jemand Daten ein, die nicht öffentlich sind (Private
 Telefonnummern usw.)
 2. Es überträgt jemand Daten aus Quellen die nicht frei sein.
 3. Es werden Beleidigungen oder Datenmanipulationen zu Lasten Dritter
 eingegeben.

Und? Das ist doch nicht Dein Problem. 1 und 3 kannst Du nicht verhindern. 2
hat es schon gegeben, da wurden die Daten halt einfach wieder aus der
Datenbank entfernt sprich da kümmern sich andere drum.

 All diese Daten werden durch meine Seite nur aufbereitet, navigierbar
 gemacht und dargestellt. Dennoch bin ich nicht davor gefeiht auch
 rechtlich belangt zu werden

Jain, das bist du allenfalls durch das rechtliche Konstrukt der
Mitstörerhaftung. Mir sind da keine Fälle bekannt.

 obwohl ich doch nur auf eine eigentlich freie Datenbank zurückgreife.
 Bestes Beispiel: Die Story, die OffenesKoeln letztens mit den
 Stadtplanausschnitten passiert ist...

Nein, das ist was ganz anderes, da ging es ja um proprietäre Daten von
stadtplandienst.de und gerade nicht um freie Daten.

 aber wenn ich automatisiert täglich die OSM-Daten importiere und diese
 Darstelle, weiß ich nicht, was Nutzer NachbarHeinz eingetragen hat, um den
 Nutzer TanteGertrud eine auszuwischen.

Wenn Du das als Problem siehst kannst Du niemals Daten verwenden, die per
crowdsourcing erfasst wurden.

Auf dem Tileserver unter http://openstreetmap.de/karte.html machen wir
eigentlich genau das von Dir beschriebene:

Wir übernehmen automatisiert Daten aus OSM und machen Karten im deutschen
Stil daraus.

Falls es dich beruhigt: Dieser Tileserver läuft schon einige Jahre und der
FOSSGIS e.V. hat noch keine obskure Abmahnung bekommen.

Gruss

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Re: [Talk-de] Mapper/in in Berlin und Umgebung - Radiosendung

[Lars Lingner]

Hallo Tim,

der Stammtisch ist eine sehr gute Gelegenheit mit Mappern in Kontakt zu
treten. Ich habe die Berliner Liste ins CC gesetzt.

Persönlich schaffe ich es leider nicht diesen Monat. Aber die
Stammtischbesucher sind immer sehr gesprächsbereit.

Lars

On 10.09.2012 21:49, news wrote:
[...]
 
 Ich habe auch gesehen, dass es am Donnerstag einen Berliner
 OSM-Stammtisch in der c-base geben soll. Vielliecht wäre es auch
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Re: [Talk-de] Update von nominatim.osm.org

[Eckhart Wörner]

Hi,

Am Sonntag, 26. August 2012, 20:44:13 schrieb Sarah Hoffmann:
 Für das Erkennen von Duplikaten bei Grenzrelationen und Place-Nodes
 wertet Nominatim jetzt sowohl die Rolle 'label' als auch 'admin_centre'
 in den Grenzrelatioen aus, wobei Nodes mit 'admin_centre' nur zusammengefasst 
 werden, wenn Name und Admin-Level stimmen. Fehlen beide, rät Nominatim, 
 welcher Place-Node zur Relation passen könnte. Das funktioniert aber nur
 beschränkt gut, weil es keine weltweit eindeutige Zuordnung zwischen
 admin-level und place-Wert gibt. Die Node explizit zur Relation
 zuzufügen ist daher zuverlässiger. Wenn für eine Grenzrelation ein
 Place-Node gefunden wurde, werden dessen Koordinaten auch als Zentrum
 der Relation zurückgegeben, was praktisch immer zu besseren Ergebnissen
 führt, als der Mittelpunkt der Relation, der bisher verwendet wurde.

bin mir immer noch nicht sicher, warum es nicht funktioniert. Beispiel 
Aystetten:
Suche ( http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/search.php?q=Aystetten ) liefert 
sowohl Relation als auch Knoten, aber:

– die Relation und der Knoten heißen gleich
– die Relation ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/44 ) enthält 
den Knoten mit Rolle label
– die Änderungen sind schon vor ein paar Tagen passiert

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Re: [osm-ve] San Fernando de Apure

[J . Hernán Ramírez R .]

2012/9/10 Peter Blanco peterblancobetanco...@gmail.com

 Excelente trabajo Hernan de verdad que valoro mucho todo el esfuerzo, de
 hacer las cosas bien por el proyecto Openstreetmap.


En pro de buenos mapas libres para venezuela!!!

Aunque los créditos de esta zona + Parapara son de mi chamo de 8 que esta
aprendiendo a mapear :-) ya me está exigiendo que le enseñe JOSM.. creo que
en la tarde le daré algunas instrucciones..



 Saludos

 El 9 de septiembre de 2012 08:12, J. Hernán Ramírez R. 
 hernan.rami...@gmail.com escribió:


 Reporte de San Fernando

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.8869lon=-67.4738zoom=14layers=M

 90% de las vías calqueadas

 2% de las vías con nombres

 Fin de trabajo en esta zona hasta el próximo fin de semana

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 San Fernando de apure con buena Imagen satelital

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.8862lon=-67.4715zoom=14layers=M



 Jejejeje..  mi chamo de 8 anos ya lleva mapeado el 40% de este sector y
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Re: [osm-ve] San Fernando de Apure

[Peter Blanco]

Okey tendriamos que ponernos de acuerda para realizar una reunion del grupo
OSM venezuela.

*mapping party.*

Se que eres el que esta mas activo dentro del proyecto, pero seria bueno
proponernos esta actividad.

Saludos


El 10 de septiembre de 2012 10:04, J. Hernán Ramírez R. 
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 2012/9/10 Peter Blanco peterblancobetanco...@gmail.com

 Excelente trabajo Hernan de verdad que valoro mucho todo el esfuerzo, de
 hacer las cosas bien por el proyecto Openstreetmap.


 En pro de buenos mapas libres para venezuela!!!

 Aunque los créditos de esta zona + Parapara son de mi chamo de 8 que esta
 aprendiendo a mapear :-) ya me está exigiendo que le enseñe JOSM.. creo que
 en la tarde le daré algunas instrucciones..



 Saludos

 El 9 de septiembre de 2012 08:12, J. Hernán Ramírez R. 
 hernan.rami...@gmail.com escribió:


 Reporte de San Fernando

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.8869lon=-67.4738zoom=14layers=M

 90% de las vías calqueadas

 2% de las vías con nombres

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 San Fernando de apure con buena Imagen satelital

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.8862lon=-67.4715zoom=14layers=M



 Jejejeje..  mi chamo de 8 anos ya lleva mapeado el 40% de este sector y
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Re: [osm-ve] San Fernando de Apure

[Peter Blanco]

Bueno hernan por alli tengo algunas imagenes spot a ver si podemos mapear
algunas zonas donde poca informacion se tenga.

te comento que varios proyectos que se hacen desde donde trabajo los hago
con osm, para darle un impulso al proyecto y que mas personas los conozcan.

descriminemos las actividades y dime de que me puedo encargar para
colaborar con el equipo.



El 10 de septiembre de 2012 10:56, J. Hernán Ramírez R. 
hernan.rami...@gmail.com escribió:


 En Mérida se me ha hecho muy difícil... de 3 convocatorias logré solo una
 y de 5 confirmados solo fuimos 2.

 He intentado hacer video chats, para dar instrucciones de mapeo pero igual
 de 15 confirmados solo 2 asisten. Lo bueno es que los que asisten
 se comprometen con el proyecto.

 Los Mapping Party deberían ser locales... es decir.. un grupo de usuarios
 se ponen de acuerdo para mapear o mejorar una zona específica. Es una nota
 y mas cuando se tienen pizza y algunas frías

 Tenemos muchas cosas pendientes:

- creación de una fundación
- actualización de la wiki
- mover un poco mas la comunidad.
- Optimización de la página de OSM venezuela.
- Montar todos los límites de Municipios y Parroquias (Bolo nos esta
ayudando con eso, este fin se semana le envié algunos archivos. Seguramente
no convocará para colaborar )

 En los últimos meses se ha movido mucho la comunidad.. veo mucha gente
 activa... incluso hay mucha gente que trabaja en forma independiente que
 quizás no conoce esta lista y no ha leído el wiki.

 Necesitamos mas colaboradores. Creo que debemos hacer mas bulla en las
 redes sociales.

 Por ahora lo que se me ocurre es hacer cayapas por zonas. Ya José Rojas
 inició esta idea mapeando Margarita.Yo he ido buscando zonas
 con cobertura satelital. El detalle es que el no ser baqueano en esas zonas
 limita mucho el trabajo.

 Haré una convocatoria esta semana a ver quien se anota para hacer mucha
 bulla y planificar actividades virtuales o presenciales!!


 2012/9/10 Peter Blanco peterblancobetanco...@gmail.com

 Okey tendriamos que ponernos de acuerda para realizar una reunion del
 grupo OSM venezuela.

 *mapping party.*

 Se que eres el que esta mas activo dentro del proyecto, pero seria bueno
 proponernos esta actividad.

 Saludos


 El 10 de septiembre de 2012 10:04, J. Hernán Ramírez R. 
 hernan.rami...@gmail.com escribió:



 2012/9/10 Peter Blanco peterblancobetanco...@gmail.com

 Excelente trabajo Hernan de verdad que valoro mucho todo el esfuerzo,
 de hacer las cosas bien por el proyecto Openstreetmap.


 En pro de buenos mapas libres para venezuela!!!

 Aunque los créditos de esta zona + Parapara son de mi chamo de 8 que
 esta aprendiendo a mapear :-) ya me está exigiendo que le enseñe JOSM..
 creo que en la tarde le daré algunas instrucciones..



 Saludos

 El 9 de septiembre de 2012 08:12, J. Hernán Ramírez R. 
 hernan.rami...@gmail.com escribió:


 Reporte de San Fernando

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.8869lon=-67.4738zoom=14layers=M

 90% de las vías calqueadas

 2% de las vías con nombres

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 San Fernando de apure con buena Imagen satelital


 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.8862lon=-67.4715zoom=14layers=M



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[Talk-it] Istruttivo..

[Gianmario Mengozzi]

http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/12/09/how-google-builds-its-maps-and-what-it-means-for-the-future-of-well-everything/261913/

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Re: [Talk-it] Istruttivo..

[Cascafico Giovanni]

mi par na palla la storia che anche 1000 team di engineers stipendiati
possano minimamente star dietro allevoluzione del planet. credo che se non
riusciranno a far decollare mapmaker dovranno usare la vera risorsa: le
tracce che milioni di android gli forniscono ogni istante...  gratuitamente
Il giorno 10/set/2012 08.14, Gianmario Mengozzi 
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 http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/12/09/how-google-builds-its-maps-and-what-it-means-for-the-future-of-well-everything/261913/

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Re: [Talk-it] ODBL e derivare dati da OSM

[Maurizio Napolitano]

 Chiaro e concordo. Infatti il focus della mia domanda era sul solo scambio
 di dati OSM - Progetto - PA.

Scusami mi ero lasciato andare in volo epindarico quando ho visto
OSM  PA

[...][
 Il fatto è che, sebbene alcuni dati possono essere prodotti dalla conoscenza
 dei partecipanti al progetto (uso dei territori, caratteristiche naturali,
 etc..), c'è tutto l'aspetto della sentieristica che è già ampiamente
 presente in OSM: l'unica opzione è usare questi dati (ancora: OSM -
 Progetto - PA)

Non mi crederai, ma pure su questa tipologia di dato ho trovato sorprese:
quello che viene percepito come sentiero - nel caso che ho analizzato (dove
km e numero di sentieri e' superiore a quanto inserito in osm)  - spesso non
lo e' per la pa.
Ho trovato pezzettini di sentieri fuori da quelli ufficiali, ed altri
tronchi che
venivano classificati in maniera diversa.
Si tratta piu' che altri di pezzi di strada che la pa ha deciso di asfaltare
(e quindi il mapper - giustamente - ha classificato in maniera diversa)
o di una necessita di avere la distinzione con percorsi particolari
(strade agricole, mulattiere ecc...)

Nel caso di cui mi parli però, mi sembra di intendere, non c'è nulla
lato pa, e quindi ci si adeguerà.

[...]
 Sul fronte delle responsabilita', il problema che noto e' che poi la pa
 potra' avere, fra i suoi mandati, anche il compito di dover capire se
 ci saranno violazioni.


 Questa è una delle risposte che cercavo.
 Ma potranno usare i dati ODBL che produrremo per attività ed atti di PA ?

Certo che si.
Ricordati pero' che gli atti e i documenti della pubblica amministrazione
non ricadono sotto la legge del diritto d'autore (ergo sono documenti
di pubblico dominio - http://www.interlex.it/testi/l41_633.htm#5)
In ogni caso la ODbL non dovrebbe propagarsi fino a quel livello
di informazione.
Mi spiego: la ODbL obbliga che la banca dati e le sue modifiche usino
la stessa licenza, ma i prodotti derivati che non sono banche dati,
non ricadono sotto questa licenza.
Una risposta la trovi in questa faq
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How does this affect Wikipedia and other projects that want to use our maps?

There is no change. They can continue to do exactly the same as they
do now. The ODbL does not place any restrictions on how a Produced
Work (such as a map as a JPG image) is used. It only requires a notice
such as Contains information from DATABASE NAME, which is made
available here under the Open Database Licence (ODbL). So the image
can be released under CC-BY-SA or other license terms, provided that
the database used to generate it is made available under the terms of
the Open Database Licence.

For maps, the Open Database Licence is actually closer than CC-BY-SA
to the Definition of Free Cultural Works adopted by the Wikimedia
Foundation. This is because the definition requires that where a
final work has been obtained through the compilation or processing of
a source file... all underlying source data should be available
alongside the work.


source: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License_FAQ#How_does_this_affect_Wikipedia_and_other_projects_that_want_to_use_our_maps.3F

Quindi la PA a cui stai proponendo questo progetto dovra':
- rilasciare la banca dati dei sentieri in ODbL dichiarando che deriva
da OpenStreetMap
- creare tutti i documenti con la licenza che preferisce (poi vale il discorso
di sopra sulla legge d'autore)

I miei dubbi sono poi in casi strani tipo
-  file .csv (o xls) che contiene lo stradario = non ho dubbi che sia ODbL
- un file .pdf con lo stradario = ho qualche dubbio che debba essere
pubblicato in ODbL, quantomeno, se solo l'elenco, allora direi di si (anche
se pdf non e'un formato per trasportare dati), ma se corredato da altre
informazioni, allora penso che la discussione sia aperta


  Il
 mio dubbio è su quale utilizzo possono o non possono fare per le loro
 attività di regolamentazione del territorio (confesso che non sono un
 esperto delle loro attività).

Manco io sono esperto e mi documento, penso pero' che un parere di un
legale sia la cosa migliore.

In generale ti consiglio di aiutare questa PA ad andare verso il paradigma
open data, di usare licenze deboli per i dati che loro pubblicano e di
usare ODbL solo in casi come quello che hai descritto tu.

PS:
poi lo sai che tutto questo dovrai venire a raccontarlo a OSMIT ?

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[Talk-it] R: Trinceramenti

[Alech OSM]

Ciao anche da me.

Se è ancora  in perfette condizioni  non bisogna guardare alla funzione ,
indipendentemente dalla età?
Barrier=wall ?

Ale.


-Messaggio originale-
Da: Gianluca Boero [mailto:gianlucabo...@alice.it] 
Inviato: domenica 9 settembre 2012 20.06
A: Talk-it OpenStreetMap
Oggetto: [Talk-it] Trinceramenti

Ciao a tutti.

Dovrei inserire dei trinceramenti in Val Chisone (To), risalenti al '700. Si
tratta di una muratura di pietre alta circa 1 mt che si sviluppa per circa
500 mt ancora in perfette condizioni.
Dal mio punto di vista il tag dovebbe essere historic=ruins . Avete altri
consigli?

Grazie...

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Re: [Talk-it] Percorso alternativo via Francigena

[Federico Cozzi]

2012/9/9 Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com:
 Quale relazione usare per questo itinerario e come si pone verso
 l'itinerario ufficiale?

Creare un'altra relazione e mettere state=alternate?

 Contate anche che questa non è l'unica
 variante esistente rispetto all'itinerario oggi considerato
 ufficiale.

Secondo me, affinché una route sia mappata, deve essere (almeno)
proposta da un ente che la sostenga.

Il problema è particolarmente evidente con le route storiche, come la
via Francigena o, per fare un esempio ancora più estremo, la via della
seta.
Queste vie non sono route nel senso di OSM, cioè non sono composte da
un percorso continuo di coordinate spaziali (x,y). Sono più che altro
un'indicazione di tappe da seguire per giungere a destinazione.

Ciao

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Re: [Talk-it] Percorso alternativo via Francigena

[Andrea Musuruane]

2012/9/10 Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com

 Il problema è particolarmente evidente con le route storiche, come la
 via Francigena o, per fare un esempio ancora più estremo, la via della
 seta.
 Queste vie non sono route nel senso di OSM, cioè non sono composte da
 un percorso continuo di coordinate spaziali (x,y). Sono più che altro
 un'indicazione di tappe da seguire per giungere a destinazione.


Il percorso è segnalato con appositi segnavia, quindi non vedo perché non
dovrebbe essere una route.

Ciao,

Andrea.
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Re: [Talk-it] Percorso alternativo via Francigena

[emmexx]

Il 09/10/2012 04:58 PM, Andrea Musuruane scrisse:
 Il percorso è segnalato con appositi segnavia, quindi non vedo perché
 non dovrebbe essere una route.

Perche' una route di percorsi in parallelo non e' bella! :-)

Sfortunatamente, perlomeno in Italia, della via Francigena si occupano
gli enti locali e non c'e' coordinamento.
Quindi puo' anche esserci segnaletica ma non e' detto che sia univoca.
Si puo' cercare ad esempio l'attraversamento del Po su google per capire
il problema.
In pratica la Francigena e' un insieme di varianti che attraversano
l'Italia.

ciao
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Re: [Talk-it] Compilare la mappa dell'Italia per Osmand

[Gianmario Mengozzi]

Ok in attesa che io riesca a ritagliarmi un po' di tempo per produrre
questa benedetta mappa italica per OsmAnd, gli sviluppatori hanno messo
online oggi la versione agg.ta del file (le singole regioni seguiranno a
ruota). Quindi sotto con il download.

Se ho capito bene da una @ girata nel dev group, in realtà stanno
aspettando il passaggio di licenza per scadenziare gli upload in maniera +
frequente. Staremo a vedere..

Gianmario Mengozzi

sent by GNexus
Il giorno 05/set/2012 18:33, Niccolo Rigacci o...@rigacci.org ha scritto:

 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 03:08:42PM +0200, Luca Delucchi wrote:
  Il 30 agosto 2012 11:47, Gianmario Mengozzi
  gianmario.mengo...@gmail.com ha scritto:
   Ok diciamo che io mi metta con cadenza bisettimanale a creare la mappa
   dell'Italia in formato .obf da dare in pasto a OsmAnd : sarebbe poi
   possibile ospitare tale file sui server gfoss? Come?
  
 
  direi di si, bisogna sentire che dice niccolo ma io non vedo nessun
 problema

 Ciao a tutti e due, scusate la latitanza ma ultimamente ho avuto
 poco tempo libero!

 Dunque Gianmario, se tu compili la mappa per Osmand si potrebbe
 fare che io la prendo da qualche parte e la metto sul serverone
 GFOSS.it.

 Ovviamente chiediamo al Consiglio il parere, ma per ora un po' di
 risorse ci sono e non dovremmo impattare sugli altri servizi.

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Re: [Talk-it] R: Trinceramenti

[Cascafico Giovanni]

gugol
osm tag trench
se n'era già scritto
Il giorno 10/set/2012 11.10, Alech OSM alech.hos...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

 Ciao anche da me.

 Se è ancora  in perfette condizioni  non bisogna guardare alla funzione ,
 indipendentemente dalla età?
 Barrier=wall ?

 Ale.


 -Messaggio originale-
 Da: Gianluca Boero [mailto:gianlucabo...@alice.it]
 Inviato: domenica 9 settembre 2012 20.06
 A: Talk-it OpenStreetMap
 Oggetto: [Talk-it] Trinceramenti

 Ciao a tutti.

 Dovrei inserire dei trinceramenti in Val Chisone (To), risalenti al '700.
 Si
 tratta di una muratura di pietre alta circa 1 mt che si sviluppa per circa
 500 mt ancora in perfette condizioni.
 Dal mio punto di vista il tag dovebbe essere historic=ruins . Avete altri
 consigli?

 Grazie...

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Re: [Talk-it] Mappatura Castelfranco Veneto

[Giuliano]

Il 07/09/2012 14:54, Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto:

C'e' parecchia documentazione sul tema licenza e compatibilita'.

Se mi avete letto fino a qui vi ringrazio :)
Sono io a ringraziare te. Finalmente referenze, link e riassunto della 
faccenda licenze tutto in una sola email e non in decine di commenti 
sparsi nella ML :-D

Ciao

Ciao
Giuliano

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Re: [Talk-it] Compilare la mappa dell'Italia per Osmand

[mircozorzo]

Ciao, Ginmario sarei interessato anch'io alla realizzazione delle mappe
regionali con cadenza ogni 14 giorni.


Grazie comunque.


Ciao, Mirco



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Re: [Talk-co] OCHA launches 500 free humanitarian symbols

[Mancho]

¡Fantástico! Vienen como anillo al dedo para la el estilo
Mapnik-Colombia. Gracias.

Am Montag, den 10.09.2012, 15:14 -0500 schrieb Federico Explorador
(Nevados.org):
 Para su conocimiento
 
 Saludos,
 Federico
 
  
 
 Asunto: FW: OCHA launches 500 free humanitarian symbols
 
 
  
 
 Estimados amigos
 
 
 
 
   La Oficina de las Naciones Unidas para la Coordinación de Asuntos
 Humanitarios (OCHA) ha creado un conjunto de 500 iconos de libre
 disposición para ayudar a los trabajadores de ayuda humanitaria
 presentar la información sobre las emergencias y las crisis de forma
 rápida y sencilla. 
  
 Los símbolos se pueden descargar de forma gratuita en ReliefWeb y el
 Proyecto Sustantivo
 
 Sugerencias y comentarios pueden ser enviados a ochaa...@un.org.
 
  
 
  full story
 
 The symbols can be downloaded for free on ReliefWeb and The Noun
 Project
 
 Suggestions and feedback can be sent to ochaa...@un.org.
 
 If you received this email twice, we apologize for the duplication.
 Best regards,
 
 OCHA Advocacy and Visual Media Unit team
 
 
  
 
  
 
 
 Cordialmente
 
  
 
 
 Secretaría Técnica SSH
 Tel. 6221100 
 Kr 13 No. 93- 12 Ofic. 402
 secreta...@colombiassh.org
 http://www.colombiassh.org/site/
 
  
 
 
 La Sala de Situación Humanitaria (SSH) es un esfuerzo
 interorganizacional para organizar información sobre necesidades de y
 respuestas a situaciones humanitarias.
 The Humanitarian Situation Room is a inter-organizational effort to
 organize information on needs and responses to humanitarian
 situations.
 
 
  
 
 
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Re: [Talk-dk] Hvordan Google laver kort

[Ole Laursen]

9. sep. 2012 21.16 skrev Mathias Dannesbo n...@neic.dk:
 Se her hvordan Google laver kort:
 http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/09/how-google-builds-its-maps-and-what-it-means-for-the-future-of-everything/261913/

Tak for linket! Jeg troede egentlig de bare købte nye opdateringer fra
f.eks. Teleatlas. Gad vide om de har folk til at sidde og tegne for DK
også.

Der er en god dosis hype i artiklen ellers, jeg synes især det er
ironisk at journalisten påpeger at konkurrenterne aldrig ville kunne
leve op til Google Maps fordi det kræver at man har så mange folk til
at sidde og tegne - ja, go'morgen, hvordan i alverden tror han de
andre eksisterende kort er dukket op? Jeg tror ikke Geodætisk
Instituts 4 cm-kort tegnede sig selv. :)

Deres streetview datamining-halløj så mere interessant ud.

 Vi har til
 gengæld fordelen, at vi mange gange kender de områder vi mapper i og ikke
 sidder i Bangalore som mange af Google mapperne gør.

Og så er vi mange flere. Og vi gør det fordi vi synes det er sjovt. :)


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Re: [Talk-es] [Cat2Osm] Nueva versión

[Cruz Enrique Borges]

On Viernes, 7 de septiembre de 2012 18:07:00 Antonio Navarro escribió:

 El caso es que al abrir josm los ficheros generados, algunos dan un error
 de que falta algún nodo y no puede abrirse. Por ejemplo, el fichero de
 masas generado como cazalegas002.osm, dice 'La vía con ID externo -35.039
 incluye un nodo faltante con ID externo -15.443'.

He estado hablando con ander y este tema debería de estar resuelto.
¿Puedes enviarnos los ficheros config y los shapefiles del catastro
para hacerle debug y ver que está pasando?

-- 
Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández
Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es

DeustoTech Energy
Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052
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[Talk-es] ¿Hay algun bot que limpie la base de datos?

[Fco . Javier González Jiménez]

andrzej zaborowski te recuerdo que con OSM Inspector podemos ver los nodos/vias 
que haya eliminado el bot, y no es necesario tener todos esos nodos que como 
digo no siempre son utiles en los mapas. Y no me refiero a nodos como 
consecuencia del cambio de licencia, sino a errores cometidos.  
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Re: [Talk-es] [Cat2Osm] Nueva versión

[Antonio Navarro]

Hola,

Aquí tenéis un tar.bz2 con los ficheros de Cazalegas del catastro y el
fichero de cofiguración, así como los ficheros generados por cat2osm.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1749626/cat2osm_cazalegas.tar.bz2

El 'error' parece que se produce sólo cuando se ejecuta sin parámetros:

java -Xmx2048m -jar cat2osm.jar config/configcazalegas

Si lo ejecuto añadiendo '-masas' o '-parcelas'... No me ha dado error en
los ficheros generados (al menos el fichero 002, no he revisado todos).

Un saludo,

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mailto:antonio.navarro...@gmail.com
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El 10 de septiembre de 2012 10:48, Cruz Enrique Borges 
cruz.bor...@deusto.es escribió:

 On Viernes, 7 de septiembre de 2012 18:07:00 Antonio Navarro escribió:

  El caso es que al abrir josm los ficheros generados, algunos dan un error
  de que falta algún nodo y no puede abrirse. Por ejemplo, el fichero de
  masas generado como cazalegas002.osm, dice 'La vía con ID externo
 -35.039
  incluye un nodo faltante con ID externo -15.443'.

 He estado hablando con ander y este tema debería de estar resuelto.
 ¿Puedes enviarnos los ficheros config y los shapefiles del catastro
 para hacerle debug y ver que está pasando?

 --
 Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández
 Email: cruz.bor...@deusto.es

 DeustoTech Energy
 Telefono: 944139000 ext.2052
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Re: [Talk-es] Cartografía OSM Actualizada

[Joseba Bolinaga]

Hola Gregorio,

perdona que te moleste. Es que yo también estoy interesado en hacer pruebas
de itinerarios offline. Creo que me tengo que montar mi propio servidor o
algo así. Ya ves que no tengo ni idea. Sólo quería preguntarte qué
programas has utilizado tú para montarte tu servidor. A partir de ahí,
empezaré a investigar.

Gracias.

2012/9/5 Gregorio Racero Valcárcel gregorac...@hotmail.com

  Muchas gracias, lo probaré con osmconvert.

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Re: [Talk-ee] metsadeta Saatse?

[Mihkel Rämmel]

Leidsin ühe pisikese kurjajuure ülesse. Nimelt meie
maakaart.eekaardipildi andmed on hetkel aprilli alguse seisuga. Kuna
see aprilli
algusest kestnud redaktsiooniperiood peaks lõpuks sel kuul läbi saama
(loodame vähemalt). Siis alles peale seda on mõtet kaardipilti jälle
jooksvalt uuendada. Kel seniks värsket kaardipilti näha soovi, võib vaadata
seda www.openstreetmap.org lehtelt.

Proovin seni Saatsest lõunas olevaid metsi veidi paremaks saada.

Mihkel

2012/9/10 Jaak Laineste j...@nutiteq.com


  Kui ma nüüd võrdlen seda Corine algandmetega (ainus koht kust ma leidsin
 oli Maa-ameti WMS, nende veebiteenustest ei suutnud tuvastada), siis
 Corines alginfos tunduvad seal rohelised metsaalad olemas olevat. Seal sai
 tehtud lõikamine riigipiirini, võibolla sellega läks midagi kaotsi. Või on
 keegi (kogemata?) kustutanud. Ma olen Tokyos, kus lõppes just OSM-i
 konverents StateOfTheMap, ja Corine OSM-i teisendatud andmeid mul enda
 rüperaalis alles pole. Muidu oleks huvitav sealt vaadata, et mis ikkagi
 täpselt sinna üles laeti.

 --
 Jaak

 On 09.09.2012, at 22:00, Maiko M wrote:

 Võibolla siis andmete täpsus ongi olnud põhjuseks. Lihtsalt kunagi siit
 mingist teemaarendusest lugesin kellegi üleskutset, et just nimelt nende
 Corine andmetega üle ka ei pingutataks ja siis selles kotektis jäigi mulje,
 et keegi on selle lihtsalt enne Saatsesse jõudmist pooleli jätnud.
 Konkreetne pilt on ju iseenesest seal Eestimaa kagunurgas niigi näha
 kaart.maakaart.ee-l, kus see ilusalt ühevärviline koos 3 metsasaarega.
 http://kaart.maakaart.ee/?zoom=12lat=57.86925lon=27.79418layers=FB0

 --

 Maiko


 kolmapäev, 5. september 2012 8:53.25 UTC+3 kirjutas JaakL:


 Saad sa konkeetse pildi näiteks anda? Minumeelest on metsi seal rohkem
 kui tarvis, nagu igalpool mujal Eesti piires. Kui täpne see (ehk Corine
 andmed) on, on iseküsimus.

 --
 Jaak

 On 04.09.2012, at 22:27, Maiko M wrote:

 Asi siis järgnev: olles ise põhimõtteline pooldaja sellistele
 projektidele nagu OSM, sooviksin selle kasutamist ka tööalaselt (loe:
 riiklikult) propageerida. Valdkonnaks sisejulgeolek. Kahjuks on aga üks
 segav asjaolu: Eestimaa kagunurk, Saatse kant, on OSMi järgi nagu üks suur
 põld. Kas oleks ehk võimalik kaart.maakaart.ee saada kuvama ka tolle
 piirkonna tumerohelisemaid laike ehk metsi? Endal käib see üle jõu ja
 mõistuse. Kui selle saaks korda, võiks kaart.maakaart.ee saada päris
 positiivse väljundi riigiasutuse poolt kasutamise näol...

 Ja kas keegi viitaks mulle uuesti koha juhtnööridele ja algandmetele, mis
 kirjeldas ja võimaldas maju ja aadressiandmeid lisada. Huvialune piirkond
 taas see Saatse. Ise panustaksin sellesse.

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[OSM-Talk-ZA] Slippy Map of OSM GPS Data

[Grant Slater]

Talk-ZA,

Ilya Zverev just announced a rendering of the OpenStreetMap GPS data:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-September/064081.html

South Africa looks good, but we do have a few major routes that lack
GPS coverage:
South Africa: http://zverik.osm.rambler.ru/gps/?zoom=6lat=-27lon=23layers=BT

The N5, N10, N11, N12  N18 have largish sections missing coverage. If
you or a friend are travelling any of these routes, take a GPS logger.
:-)

/ Grant

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Re: [Talk-cz] cyklotrasa 25

[Miroslav Šulc]

tak jsem se tam byl podívat a vede to dál pražskou, tak jsem to
(nadvakrát) v osm opravil:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/13055342 (tady se mi to
nepr(idalo do relace)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/1309 (a tady už jo)

kdyžtak se na to ne(kdo podívejte, jestli je to takhle ok.

ff

Dne 9.9.2012 21:08, Petr Dlouhý napsal(a):

 Ahoj,


 problém je, že takhle je tam skutec(ne( vyznac(ená, resp. byla když
 jsem tam byl. Co si pamatuju, tak z jedné strany konc(í odboc(kou na
 Pražskou a z druhé strany má cedule vedoucí až ne(kam k nádraží.
 Znac(ení cyklotras je pr(i pru*jezdu obcí c(asto dost mizerné. Nevím
 jestli je lepší si ten pru*jezd vymyslet, nebo to nechat pr(erušené.
 Stejný pr(ípad je i trasa 211 v Dubé.


 -- 
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 Od: Miroslav Šulc fordf...@fordfrog.com
 Datum: 9. 9. 2012
 Pr(edme(t: [Talk-cz] cyklotrasa 25

 ahoj,

 koukám, že u nás je rozde(lená cyklotrasa 25 (asi to mám na
 sve(domí já). mohl by se ne(kdo, kdo cyklotrasy de(lá, na to
 podívat a pr(ípadne( to opravit? nevím, kde bych me(l hledat, kudy
 ta trasa vede. jde o tohle místo:
 http://openstreetmap.cz/?zoom=15lat=50.56372lon=14.65477layers=B00FTFF

 diky.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Nicolas Dumoulin]

Le samedi 8 septembre 2012 21:50:48 Vincent de Chateau-Thierry a écrit :
 Puisque le sujet est relancé, pourquoi ne pas se poser (re-poser) la
 question de l'intérêt des repères dans la base ? Je dis bien *dans* la
 base, pas *pour* la base. 
 […]
 * raster : un service de tuiles […]
 * vecteur : un service qui permettrait, à la façon des interfaces
 d'intégration open data, d'interroger un point géodésique (par clic
 dessus) placé sur un fond OSM

Salut,

Très bonne remarque. Par contre, je verrai bien une autre solution, en 
vectoriel aussi mais plutôt sous forme d'un service qui puisse s'intégrer dans 
JOSM, car c'est surtout là qu'on en a besoin pour vérifier les vue aériennes et 
le cadastre. La solution évidente serait un serveur WFS, mais je ne sais pas 
si JOSM sait parler cette langue …
Bon après ta solution de charger un node depuis une carte en ligne serait 
aussi opérationnelle mais tout de même moins simple pour l'utilisateur il me 
semble.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suite Import cadastre les sables d'olonnes

[Stéphane Péneau]

Merci de vous être occupés de ça.
Je n'ai plus qu'à corriger les chevauchements de batiments sur les 
sables d'olonnes.


Le vendredi 7 septembre 2012 15:58:05, Christian Quest a écrit :

Parfait.


2012/9/7 Pieren pier...@gmail.com mailto:pier...@gmail.com

2012/9/7 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr
mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr:
 Revert en cours et mail envoyé à l'intéressé:

J'ai aussi contacté le DWG et voici le résultat:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/235

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[OSM-talk-fr] Problème restriction de tourner à gauche

[Stéphane Péneau]

Bonjour,

J'ai ajouté deux restrictions de tourner à gauche sur des bretelles 
d'accès à une nationale.

Lorsque je teste le résultat avec osrm, la première fonctionne bien :
http://map.project-osrm.org/1jN

Mais pour la seconde, s'il n'y a effectivement pas de tourner à gauche 
de demandé, en revanche, il y a une demande de demi-tour.

http://map.project-osrm.org/1jM

Je ne comprends pas la différence de comportement de osrm dans ces 2 
cas. J'aurais fait une erreur quelque part ?


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Nicolas Dumoulin]

Le dimanche 9 septembre 2012 01:37:37 Vincent Pottier a écrit :
 L'accès libre existe toujours. C'est juste la méthode qui s'est
 compliquée...
 Yapuka faire un bot qui scrappe la carte, zone par zone, et dans la
 projection qui va bien pour lancer les requêtes pour obtenir ces fichues
 fiches.
 Yapuka... Mais il y a du boulot. Quelqu'un sait faire ?

J'ai regardé vite-fait, et c'est pas évident. Quand on zoome, une requête est 
envoyée à http://geodesie.ign.fr/cgi-bin/mapserv pour demander des tuiles avec 
la bbox visible. Et ensuite, à chaque déplacement de souris, une requête est 
envoyé pour récupérer les infos d'un éventuel repère. Donc bonjour pour 
automatiser ça :-/

Par contre au final, le pdf est obtenu avec une URL de la forme :
http://geodesie.ign.fr/fiches/index.php?module=eaction=fichepdfsource=cartern_cid=300602geo_cid=0

Il suffirait donc de balancer ces requêtes avec tous les rn_cid pour obtenir 
toutes les fiches. Et donc, soit on essaye de trouver la plage de variation des 
ces ID, soit on y va brute et on essaye de deviner ces bornes par dichotomie 
:-)
 
 L'IGN n'est pas contre les browsers maisons ?

C'est pas le genre de question qu'on pose après ça ;-) ?
(mince ce message est archivé)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Nicolas Dumoulin]

Le lundi 10 septembre 2012 09:40:49 Nicolas Dumoulin a écrit :
 Par contre au final, le pdf est obtenu avec une URL de la forme :
 http://geodesie.ign.fr/fiches/index.php?module=eaction=fichepdfsource=cart
 ern_cid=300602geo_cid=0

Au temps pour moi, cet exemple correspond à un repère de nivellement. Autre 
exemple pour un repère géodésique :
http://geodesie.ign.fr/fiches/index.php?module=eaction=fichepdfsource=cartesit_no=63014Ageo_cid=0

Sinon, on pourrait retrouver une archive de planet.osm pour extraire ces ID et 
lancer les téléchargements. Non ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Problème restriction de tourner à gauche

[Cedric Viou]

Bonjour,
 
 Mais pour la seconde, s'il n'y a effectivement pas de tourner à gauche
 de demandé, en revanche, il y a une demande de demi-tour.
 http://map.project-osrm.org/1jM

Je n'ai regardé que celle-ci.  Je pense que le Way 113944656 'to' de ta
relation n'est pas le bon.
Il faut remplacer le  Way 113944656 (sud) par way 179742023 (nord) dans
ta relation.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Vincent de Chateau-Thierry]

Bonjour,

 De : Nicolas Dumoulin 

 
 Très bonne remarque. Par contre, je verrai bien une autre solution, en 
 vectoriel aussi mais plutôt sous forme d'un service qui puisse s'intégrer 
 dans 
 JOSM, car c'est surtout là qu'on en a besoin pour vérifier les vue aériennes 
 et 
 le cadastre. La solution évidente serait un serveur WFS, mais je ne sais pas 
 si JOSM sait parler cette langue …
 Bon après ta solution de charger un node depuis une carte en ligne serait 
 aussi opérationnelle mais tout de même moins simple pour l'utilisateur il me 
 semble.
 

C'est clair qu'un WFS serait la bonne combinaison. Mais en effet, je ne vois 
rien de
tel dans les plugins ou le trac de JOSM aujourd'hui. Et il faudrait, pendant 
qu'on y est,
un petit bouton 'i' comme dans tout SIG classique, pour interroger les données. 
Pas trop
dans les moeurs jusqu'ici :-).
Il y a un point sur lequel la manière actuelle est imparable, c'est qu'on n'a 
pas à aller
chercher les repères, ils sont présents dès qu'on cadre un téléchargement 
dessus, ce qui
rend leur consultation naturelle. C'est par suite le bémol des propositions 
alternatives,
elles demandent une action volontaire en plus du téléchargement : charger un 
calque 
supplémentaire, ou pire, aller sur une page web pêcher les repères, sans savoir 
à priori
s'il y en a sur la zone d'intérêt. Pas intuitif :-(

vincent

Une messagerie gratuite, garantie à vie et des services en plus, ça vous tente ?
Je crée ma boîte mail www.laposte.net

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Cyrille Giquello]

Et hop, chacun son commentaire sur

https://www.data.gouv.fr/donnees/view/Fiches-signal%C3%A9tiques-des-points-g%C3%A9od%C3%A9siques-et-des-rep%C3%A8res-de-nivellement-30383069?xtmc=undefinedxtcr=1

Pour demander que les données soit 'effectivement disponible au
téléchargement. Le besoin d'un hack genre browser maison n'étant pas
dans les directives de l'Open Data.

C.

Le 8 septembre 2012 14:57, Eric SIBERT courr...@eric.sibert.fr a écrit :
 Bonjour,


 * faire un comparatif des données à partir d'une extraction neuve ?


 Non, il y a un gros problème. On n'a plus accès au dossier ftp qui contenait
 toutes les fiches. Maintenant, il n'y a plus que l'accès par la carte
 interactive. J'avais déjà posé la question à l'IGN qui m'avait répondu que
 moyennant finance, ils pouvaient nous faire une extraction.

 Comme je viens de voir qu'il y avait un Questionnaire de satisfaction sur
 leur site, je viens d'en remettre une couche :

 
 Bonjour,

 Depuis un certain temps déjà (refonte de la partie géodésie du site web), il
 n'est plus possible d'accéder directement aux dossiers contenant les fiches
 de repères géodésiques (et de nivellement). Dans le cadre du projet
 OpenStreetMap, cette restriction nous empêche de réaliser des traitements
 systématiques sur toute la France et nous rend les données sur les repères
 géodésiques quasiment inexploitables. Le retour en ligne d'un accès facile à
 l'ensemble des données sur les repères serait bienvenu.

 Bien cordialement

 Eric Sibert
 contributeur d'OpenStreetMap
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Vidéo «dessous des cartes»

[Cyrille Giquello]

Le 24 juillet 2012 07:22, Pierre WILLOT pie...@willot-martin.be a écrit :
 Génial Romain

 Merci beaucoup, cette vidéo va m'être utile

 Pierre


 Le 23/07/12 21:42, Romain MEHUT a écrit :
 Bonsoir,

 J'ai répondu directement à Pierre. Si d'autres le souhaitent, je peux
 communiquer un lien.

 Sinon, des rediffusions sur Arte sont prévues le 14 août à 22h30 et le 18
 août à 14h.
 http://ddc.arte.tv/emission/cartographie-2-0

 Romain

 Le 23 juillet 2012 21:25, Pierre WILLOT pie...@willot-martin.be a écrit :

 Bonjour

 Je suis arrivé trop tard pour voir l'émisison des dessous des cartes sur
 OSM.
 Est-ce que quelqu'un l'aurait enregistrer ou télécharger ?
 C'est pour un petite formation avant une cartopartie

 Merci d'avance

 @+
 Piwi


On peut l'acheter sur la boutique d'Arte, c'est pas cher du tout
(2€), et ça contribue à la survie de la culture ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Nicolas Dumoulin]

Salut,

J'ai peut-être trouvé un moyen ;-)
On est censé en avoir combien des repères histoire de vérifier que je les ai 
tous ?
Tout de suite, j'en ai 68816+1029

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Vincent Privat]

Le 10 septembre 2012 09:15, Nicolas Dumoulin 
nicolas_openstreetmap@dumoulin63.net a écrit :

 La solution évidente serait un serveur WFS, mais je ne sais pas
 si JOSM sait parler cette langue …


Il ne sait pas la parler, mais on peut lui apprendre. A noter qu'il faut
aussi qu'il aprenne la langue sous-jacente, le GML. Le format intégral est
complexe, mais si on se restreint au Point Profile dans un premier temps,
ça reste assez simple:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_Markup_Language#Point_Profile

Vous connaissez un serveur WFS public qui ne servirait que des points ? Que
je puisse voir vite fait si c'est compliqué ou non de rajouter ça à JOSM.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Nicolas Dumoulin]

Le lundi 10 septembre 2012 11:44:45 Vincent Privat a écrit :
 Le 10 septembre 2012 09:15, Nicolas Dumoulin 
 
 nicolas_openstreetmap@dumoulin63.net a écrit :
  La solution évidente serait un serveur WFS, mais je ne sais pas
  si JOSM sait parler cette langue …
 
 Il ne sait pas la parler, mais on peut lui apprendre. A noter qu'il faut
 aussi qu'il aprenne la langue sous-jacente, le GML. Le format intégral est
 complexe, mais si on se restreint au Point Profile dans un premier temps,
 ça reste assez simple:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_Markup_Language#Point_Profile
 
 Vous connaissez un serveur WFS public qui ne servirait que des points ? Que
 je puisse voir vite fait si c'est compliqué ou non de rajouter ça à JOSM.

Regarde dans les exemples d'openlayers. Par exemple dans celui-ci :
http://openlayers.org/dev/examples/wfs-spatial-filter.html
Ça devrait te donner une piste pour trouver ce que tu veux

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Nicolas Dumoulin]

Le lundi 10 septembre 2012 11:25:08 Nicolas Dumoulin a écrit :
 Salut,
 
 J'ai peut-être trouvé un moyen ;-)

Bon, j'en ai un bon paquet je crois.
Je les ai exportés en csv et geojson, ils sont ici :
http://osm.dumoulin63.net/reperes/

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Cyrille Giquello]

Le 10 septembre 2012 11:50, Nicolas Dumoulin
nicolas_openstreetmap@dumoulin63.net a écrit :
 Le lundi 10 septembre 2012 11:25:08 Nicolas Dumoulin a écrit :
 Salut,

 J'ai peut-être trouvé un moyen ;-)

 Bon, j'en ai un bon paquet je crois.
 Je les ai exportés en csv et geojson, ils sont ici :
 http://osm.dumoulin63.net/reperes/

Lesquels ? Ceux d'OSM ou ceux de l'IGN ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Eric Sibert]

J'ai un peu du mal à répondre dans les temps à la discussion  
concernant les repères géodésiques.


Concernant l'ancienne liste des repères qui a été importée, c'est  
disponible en passant par le wiki:


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_France/Rep%C3%A8res_G%C3%A9od%C3%A9siques#Outils_et_extractions_disponibles

A minima, si on arrive pas à obtenir de liste mise à jour, on peut  
toujours travailler sur les anciens repères et s'occuper de:

- changer les URL en ref:ign par exemple
- suivi des suppressions, déplacements et autres dénaturations :  
osmose, validator josm?

- correction des problèmes précédents.

Quant au nombre actuel de repères, on ne le connaît pas exactement. Il  
y a quelques infos statistiques sur l'ancienne extraction toujours  
dans le wiki.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Eric]

Dans le france.osm.pbf de Geofabrik d'il y a quelques jours, on en etait
à presque 130k si je me rapelle bien en prenant tous les survey_point
(j'ai pas la valeur précise sur moi).
osmosis --read-pbf france.osm.pbf  --tf reject-ways --tf reject-relations
--tf accept-node man_made=survey_point --write-xml geodesiques.osm


2012/9/10 Cyrille Giquello cyrill...@gmail.com

 Le 10 septembre 2012 11:50, Nicolas Dumoulin
 nicolas_openstreetmap@dumoulin63.net a écrit :
  Le lundi 10 septembre 2012 11:25:08 Nicolas Dumoulin a écrit :
  Salut,
 
  J'ai peut-être trouvé un moyen ;-)
 
  Bon, j'en ai un bon paquet je crois.
  Je les ai exportés en csv et geojson, ils sont ici :
  http://osm.dumoulin63.net/reperes/

 Lesquels ? Ceux d'OSM ou ceux de l'IGN ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Frédéric Rodrigo]

Bonjour,

J'arrive un peu après la bataille. Mais il y a 3 semaines j'ai 
reconstruit les changesets d'import initial des repères dans OSM. 
Impossible de l'obtenir depuis l'API, il m'a fallut le reconstruire 
depuis d'ancien diff.


Parallèlement j'ai récupéré la liste de tous les repères depuis le WFS 
du site de l'IGN. J'ai ensuite téléchargé toutes les fiches (il en 
manque une en France et quasi tout les DOM). Puis j'ai écrit un parseur 
pour extraire le contenu. J'ai les données sous forme de CSV.


L'ancien workflow n'était pas utilisable. Les fiches ne sont plus 
disponibles de la même façon et non plus la même mise en page.


Je peux donner l'accès à ces données si quelqu'un veux poursuivre le 
travail. Si non je continuerais a une date indéterminée.


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Potlatch, utilisable avec le cadastre ? [Etait : Potlatch, mauvais outil ?]

[Tenshu]

2012/9/8 Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr

 On aimerait bien. Mais le cas des codecs MPEG LA par défaut dans HTML5
 est un réel problème pour les distributions Linux libres non
 supportées directement soit par un constructeur de matériel, soit dans
 une licence commerciale de support. Cela barre la route à des versions
 réellement indépendantes.


Oui mais non dans les specs HTML5 il n'y justement pas de codec par
défaut.
Il y'a un format qui est supporté par la majorité des navigateur qui est le
ogg theora et qui est ... oh libre
Google tente une incursion avec webM supporté dans webkit ET Firefox car il
est ... libre.
Du coup tu racontes n'importe quoi.


 La Fondation Mozilla a du s'y résoudre, plus
 moyen d'inclure un codec compatible HTML5 dans Firefox, cela ne
 marchera que via l'API de l'OS sous-jascent qui supporte nativement ce
 codec, sinon plus de vidéo du tout.





 Google qui comptait proposer son
 codec libre a laché prise. Ce ne sera plus qu'un codec alternative
 pour certains sites, et il est obligé de supporter un transcodage vers
 MPEG, car déjà des brevets mystérieux (hors de ceux inclus dans la
 suite MPEG LA) se manifestent maintenant contre son codec (après des
 années de développement et de publication), et Mozilla ne va pas
 défendre seul ce que Google renonce à défendre sérieusement, alors que
 MPEG LA défend son beurre en négociant l'inclusion de ces brevets dans
 sa suite, quitte à reverser des parts.


Hum en fait non cf webM.
Etant donné qu'il est maintenant au coeur de Youtube (excusez du peu) je
doute qu'on puisse parler d'abandon.


 IBM, Sony, Google, Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, ou bon nombre de
 constructeurs de smartphones et opérateurs télécom, et même Red Hat,
 ne sont pas menacés pour l'instant, mais des plus petits du libre
 comme Debian, GNOME, et même Apache ou Ubuntu, si (et clairement la
 FSF aussi, on comprend la rage de Linus Torvald ou de la FSF contre
 les spécifs adoptées pour HTML5 puisque Linux ne peut survivre sans
 s'allier directement avec un des constructeurs précédents, qui peuvent
 lâcher Linux du jour au lendemain, comme l'a fait Apple contre BSD
 dans son OSX).


Un pavé de portnawak.



 Conséquence, la fragmentation de Linux devient inévitable entre les
 distributions appuyées par les constructeurs ou gros fournisseurs de
 licences commerciales (qui feront comme ce qu'à déjà fait Apple), et
 les autres à qui on barre la route d'un Internet portable et ouvert
 par des menaces de brevets et réclamations de royaltees, même sur des
 implémentations et inventions développées complètement à part sans
 pourtant que les brevets réclamés aient été jamais publiés avant le
 développement. Il en est de même de bon nombre des normes
 internationales ISO actuelles toutes entâchées de brevets (même si
 leur licence est ouverte et supposée équitable à coût
 raisonnable (mais rien ne garantit ces coûts de licences et royaltees
 d'une facçon que le monde du libre pourra supporter sur le même
 terme).


Et là encore du grand portnawak.
La plus part des installations de Linux sont sur des distro communautaires.
Et par là je veux bien sûr dire Debian et dérivés (Ubuntu pour ne citer que
lui).

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Vincent Privat]

Le 10 septembre 2012 13:46, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com a
écrit :


 Parallèlement j'ai récupéré la liste de tous les repères depuis le WFS du
 site de l'IGN.


Ah ben le voilà notre serveur WFS ! c'est l'URL que mentionnait Nicolas ?
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Nicolas Dumoulin]

Le lundi 10 septembre 2012 12:12:34 Cyrille Giquello a écrit :
 Le 10 septembre 2012 11:50, Nicolas Dumoulin
 
 nicolas_openstreetmap@dumoulin63.net a écrit :
  Le lundi 10 septembre 2012 11:25:08 Nicolas Dumoulin a écrit :
  Salut,
  
  J'ai peut-être trouvé un moyen ;-)
  
  Bon, j'en ai un bon paquet je crois.
  Je les ai exportés en csv et geojson, ils sont ici :
  http://osm.dumoulin63.net/reperes/
 
 Lesquels ? Ceux d'OSM ou ceux de l'IGN ?

Ceux de l'IGN :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Nicolas Dumoulin]

Le lundi 10 septembre 2012 13:46:57 Frédéric Rodrigo a écrit :
 Parallèlement j'ai récupéré la liste de tous les repères depuis le WFS
 du site de l'IGN. J'ai ensuite téléchargé toutes les fiches (il en
 manque une en France et quasi tout les DOM). Puis j'ai écrit un parseur
 pour extraire le contenu. J'ai les données sous forme de CSV.

Ok, on a du trouvé le même ;-)
Je voulais être sûr d'avoir tout récupéré avant de rendre public cet accès, 
car mon petit doigt me dit qu'il pourrait se retrouver fermé …

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Où sont passés les terminaux 2D, 2E et 2F de l'aéroport Roissy CDG ?

[Ab_fab]

Il y a eu de l'activité ces dernières semaines
http://www.itoworld.com/map/129#fullscreenlat=49.005441732552065lon=2.564418455525125zoom=14

Merci au(x) correcteur(s)

Le 26 août 2012 18:21, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit :

 De quoi s'occuper avec Gaël avant de prendre l'avion pour Tokyo la
 semaine prochaine !


 Le 26 août 2012 16:42, Dominique Rousseau d...@lee-loo.net a écrit :
  Le Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 04:31:25PM +0200, te...@free.fr [te...@free.fr]
 a écrit:
  Bonjour à tous,
 
  Quelle ne fut pas ma surprise en rentrant de vacances, en remarquant
 que sur OSM ces terminaux 2D, 2E et 2F de l'aéroport Roissy -
 Charles-de-Gaulle ont disparu de la base...
  - Comment puis-je retrouver ces données disparues ?
  - Qui a effectué ces modifications (violentes) ?
 
  C'est probablement le Redaction Bot. Traitement automatisé appliqué il y
  a quelques semaines, pour censurer les données non compatibles avec la
  licence OdBl dans la base OSM.
  Pour Roissy, Geofabrik indiqué tout ça :
 
 
 http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=redactionbotlon=2.57954lat=49.00698zoom=12overlays=overview,bot_point_cleared,bot_point_superseded,bot_line_cleared,bot_line_superseded,bot_point_modified,bot_line_modified_cp,bot_line_modified,bot_point_deleted,bot_line_deleted_cp,bot_line_deleted
  ( ou : http://preview.tinyurl.com/bwh7ff8 )
 
  --
  Dominique Rousseau
  d...@lee-loo.net - 06 82 43 12 27
 
  A l'instant où l'esclave décide qu'il ne sera plus esclave,
  ses chaînes tombent.  -- Mahatma Gandhi
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Repères géodésiques

[Cyrille Giquello]

Le 10 septembre 2012 14:48, Nicolas Dumoulin
nicolas_openstreetmap@dumoulin63.net a écrit :
 Le lundi 10 septembre 2012 13:46:57 Frédéric Rodrigo a écrit :
 Parallèlement j'ai récupéré la liste de tous les repères depuis le WFS
 du site de l'IGN. J'ai ensuite téléchargé toutes les fiches (il en
 manque une en France et quasi tout les DOM). Puis j'ai écrit un parseur
 pour extraire le contenu. J'ai les données sous forme de CSV.

 Ok, on a du trouvé le même ;-)
 Je voulais être sûr d'avoir tout récupéré avant de rendre public cet accès,
 car mon petit doigt me dit qu'il pourrait se retrouver fermé …

Auquel cas il faudra gueuler car ils sont référencés en Licence
Ouverte sur le site OpenData du gouvernement !

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Création de l'assiotiation OSM Nouvelle-Calédonie

[Marc SIBERT]

Ben heu, mais pourquoi faire ça ?

La Nouvelle Cladonie, c'est en France non ?
Pourquoi ne pas être adhérent à OSM-France ? Ça n'empêche pas d'avoir des
activités locales, comme dans les autres régions de France.

rien compris là !

Marc

Le 10 septembre 2012 05:14, Hendrik Oesterlin hendrikmail2...@yahoo.de a
écrit :

 Bonjour,

 J'ai mis en ligne une première proposition de statuts de OSM
 Nouvelle-Calédonie ici:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:WikiProject_New_Caledonia/Projet_d%27association_en_Nouvelle-Cal%C3%A9donie

 En fait, j'ai repris les statuts de l'assoc métropolitaine.

 Des améliorations et commentaires sont le bienvenu!

 Cordialement
 Hendrik
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Hendrik75


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