Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: OSM meetup in Mechelen in November?
2012/11/1 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: I'm planning to stop by the Cantillon brewery that morning for their public brew day, Good idea; It looks like a nice place to meet and visit. Even though I am Belgian, I have never seen the place. As the brewing process starts early, I would like to be there early too We can read «from 07h00 to 09h00Brewing process Guided tours every 3/4 hours as from 7.00 Admission fee: 6.00 € p.p. (including guided tour and one drink of your choice) Tickets are valid the all day. Croissants and coffee are proposed until 8.30, free of charge» Plenty of good reasons to propos to meet there by 8h and take part to the tour at 8h45 after breakfast. So see you at 56 rue Gheude 1070 Brussels http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.841861963272095lon=4.335211515426636zoom=18 and map a little around the place during the morning. I would also like to propose to have some exchange about the associatinon we discussed as a face to face mmeting can help. I'm also a bit nervous about traveling too far from the city center without a good grasp of French or Flemmish. that should not be a problem. Many Belgian speak good Englishn and most are friendly and used to deal with a lot of foreigners (at least in the cities) Regards, Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc - gsm : 0496 24 55 01 - wiki.rmll.be - wiki.wlsm.be RMLL - World libre software and culture meeting - WLSM Soutenez la candidature de Bruxelles, 6 = 11/7/2013. Liste orga sur http://lc.cx/Zia Support Brussels as candidate, July 6 to 11, 2013 - Orga list on http://lc.cx/Zia Lepacte.be - « promouvoir les libertés numériques en Belgique » - hetpact.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: OSM meetup in Mechelen in November?
Nicolas, That would be great! I'd love to have company, and I would especially love having someone to take the train with me out to Mechelen! I'll see you there at 8h00! On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.bewrote: 2012/11/1 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: I'm planning to stop by the Cantillon brewery that morning for their public brew day, Good idea; It looks like a nice place to meet and visit. Even though I am Belgian, I have never seen the place. As the brewing process starts early, I would like to be there early too We can read «from 07h00 to 09h00Brewing process Guided tours every 3/4 hours as from 7.00 Admission fee: 6.00 € p.p. (including guided tour and one drink of your choice) Tickets are valid the all day. Croissants and coffee are proposed until 8.30, free of charge» Plenty of good reasons to propos to meet there by 8h and take part to the tour at 8h45 after breakfast. So see you at 56 rue Gheude 1070 Brussels http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.841861963272095lon=4.335211515426636zoom=18 and map a little around the place during the morning. I would also like to propose to have some exchange about the associatinon we discussed as a face to face mmeting can help. I'm also a bit nervous about traveling too far from the city center without a good grasp of French or Flemmish. that should not be a problem. Many Belgian speak good Englishn and most are friendly and used to deal with a lot of foreigners (at least in the cities) Regards, Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc - gsm : 0496 24 55 01 - wiki.rmll.be - wiki.wlsm.be RMLL - World libre software and culture meeting - WLSM Soutenez la candidature de Bruxelles, 6 = 11/7/2013. Liste orga sur http://lc.cx/Zia Support Brussels as candidate, July 6 to 11, 2013 - Orga list on http://lc.cx/Zia Lepacte.be - « promouvoir les libertés numériques en Belgique » - hetpact.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: OSM meetup in Mechelen in November?
I will try and join you guys at Mechelen too! Met vriendelijke groeten, Best regards, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com ben.abelshau...@ignotec.be http://twitter.com/xivk http://twitter.com/xivk%20 On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Nicolas, That would be great! I'd love to have company, and I would especially love having someone to take the train with me out to Mechelen! I'll see you there at 8h00! On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.bewrote: 2012/11/1 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: I'm planning to stop by the Cantillon brewery that morning for their public brew day, Good idea; It looks like a nice place to meet and visit. Even though I am Belgian, I have never seen the place. As the brewing process starts early, I would like to be there early too We can read «from 07h00 to 09h00Brewing process Guided tours every 3/4 hours as from 7.00 Admission fee: 6.00 € p.p. (including guided tour and one drink of your choice) Tickets are valid the all day. Croissants and coffee are proposed until 8.30, free of charge» Plenty of good reasons to propos to meet there by 8h and take part to the tour at 8h45 after breakfast. So see you at 56 rue Gheude 1070 Brussels http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.841861963272095lon=4.335211515426636zoom=18 and map a little around the place during the morning. I would also like to propose to have some exchange about the associatinon we discussed as a face to face mmeting can help. I'm also a bit nervous about traveling too far from the city center without a good grasp of French or Flemmish. that should not be a problem. Many Belgian speak good Englishn and most are friendly and used to deal with a lot of foreigners (at least in the cities) Regards, Nicolas -- Nicolas Pettiaux, dr. sc - gsm : 0496 24 55 01 - wiki.rmll.be - wiki.wlsm.be RMLL - World libre software and culture meeting - WLSM Soutenez la candidature de Bruxelles, 6 = 11/7/2013. Liste orga sur http://lc.cx/Zia Support Brussels as candidate, July 6 to 11, 2013 - Orga list on http://lc.cx/Zia Lepacte.be - « promouvoir les libertés numériques en Belgique » - hetpact.be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL
On 01/11/12 04:20, James Livingston wrote: On 30 October 2012 20:46, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org mailto:frede...@remote.org wrote: On 10/30/12 08:19, Igor Brejc wrote: Some then say that these in-memory data structures are also Derivative Databases. In what form can you then offer such a Database to someone that requests it? I don't think there's a way how one could require the making available of such a transient structure without making OSM data processing totally impractical. I'm pretty sure I was the one who mentioned that issue last time the question came up, or at least one of the few who did. The main issue is that there isn't really a clear line between a permanent database and a transient structure. Consider some scenarios: The license says you must either give people the derivative database, or the method of making it. If you can't give away the derivative database (because it was transient), then you must surely give the method (source code). [snip] Also important is that as someone who receives a copy of the Produced Work, you can't tell how it's produced. What is to stop someone doing (1) and then when you ask for the database just saying it was all done in-memory, there's no database? The risks if they were found out, perhaps? (Bad PR, losing their job, going to jail for fraud etc.) Turning it the another way, say you had OSM data and another database, which you had separately rendered to images. I'm pretty sure that you could then overlay one image on another and serve the combined one to people (provided you satisfy the attribution requirements for the OSM data). If on the other hand you combined the two databases and then rendered the images, you would have a Derived Database you need to release. That depends on the way you did the combination. If the second data set remained independent of the OSM data then you would have a Collective, not Derivative Database. How is anyone else supposed to tell the difference? If they ask you to release the combined database and you replied They were rendered separately and then combined, I don't have to release it, is there anything to do? That's a question of license enforcement, isn't it? I don't have an answer, but in the case where people are going to break the license and lie about doing so, it probably doesn't matter what the license says. J. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL
On 10/31/2012 09:20 PM, James Livingston wrote: there isn't really a clear line between a permanent database and a transient structure. Other than that the former can be made available and the latter cannot (practically speaking). - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] Parks Trails NY is now using OSM
Parks Trails NY is now using OSM via Leaflet and Mapquest: http://geoserving.net/ctec/ -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] OSM meetups in Amsterdam in November?
Hey Kathleen, That can be arranged: http://www.meetup.com/AmsGeoDrinks/events/89451232/ Hope to see you there! (As long as you don't use Google Translate :) Greets, Floris Looijesteijn On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! [Very rough Google translation to Dutch below] Sorry to burst into the conversation here (and especially sorry to do so in English!), but I organize the Geo DC meetupshttp://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ in Washington, DC. I am going to be in Amsterdam for vacation on Nov 7-8 and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize? I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. I was wondering if there were any OSM meetups or mapping parties planned in Amsterdam during that time. If not, would any OSM enthusiasts be interested in getting a drink in Amsterdam and talking about maps? Thanks, Kathleen Sorry te barsten in het gesprek hier (en in het bijzonder jammer om dit te doen in het Engels!), Maar organiseer ik de Geo DC meetups in Washington, DC. Ik ga in Amsterdam voor een vakantie op nov 7-8 en ik vroeg me af of die data kan overlappen met een kans om te socialiseren? Ik ben erg nieuw voor OSM, maar ik woonde State of the Map US een paar weken geleden, en ik ben opgewonden om meer te leren en meer van dit echt interessant gemeenschap. Ik vroeg me af of er nog OSM meetups of mapping partijen gepland in Amsterdam in die tijd. Zo niet, dan zou een OSM liefhebbers zijn geïnteresseerd in het verkrijgen van een drankje in Amsterdam en praten over kaarten? Dank je wel, kathleen ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] OSM meetups in Amsterdam in November?
Thanks so much for setting this up! I promise not to use Google Translate! I can only imagine how terrible that translation came across in Dutch :) On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote: Hey Kathleen, That can be arranged: http://www.meetup.com/AmsGeoDrinks/events/89451232/ Hope to see you there! (As long as you don't use Google Translate :) Greets, Floris Looijesteijn On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! [Very rough Google translation to Dutch below] Sorry to burst into the conversation here (and especially sorry to do so in English!), but I organize the Geo DC meetupshttp://www.meetup.com/Geo-DC/ in Washington, DC. I am going to be in Amsterdam for vacation on Nov 7-8 and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize? I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. I was wondering if there were any OSM meetups or mapping parties planned in Amsterdam during that time. If not, would any OSM enthusiasts be interested in getting a drink in Amsterdam and talking about maps? Thanks, Kathleen Sorry te barsten in het gesprek hier (en in het bijzonder jammer om dit te doen in het Engels!), Maar organiseer ik de Geo DC meetups in Washington, DC. Ik ga in Amsterdam voor een vakantie op nov 7-8 en ik vroeg me af of die data kan overlappen met een kans om te socialiseren? Ik ben erg nieuw voor OSM, maar ik woonde State of the Map US een paar weken geleden, en ik ben opgewonden om meer te leren en meer van dit echt interessant gemeenschap. Ik vroeg me af of er nog OSM meetups of mapping partijen gepland in Amsterdam in die tijd. Zo niet, dan zou een OSM liefhebbers zijn geïnteresseerd in het verkrijgen van een drankje in Amsterdam en praten over kaarten? Dank je wel, kathleen ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] OSM vanuit Thunderbird
Hoi allemaal, Als jullie willen kunnen jullie op deze bug stemmen zodat Thunderbird vanuit het adressenboekje standaard OSM gebruikt i.p.v. Google Maps: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712419 Groetjes, Pander ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use
Hey Ben and others, Yep, spot on, rendering hints but only related to zoom levels. I realise that it's matter of opinion what roads to be rendered at what levels etc and why rendering hints are not considered factual data and not preferred. Changing the road classification is an option but are likely to cause side effects. For example, tagging what is a territory road as a primary so that it will be rendered earlier on in the zoom level has the potential of polluting the data, making it less useful for other purposes such as routing etc. Another positive of the rendering hints approach is that the tags themselves are completely optional so it's up to the rendering engine to take advantage of them. If ignored, it's like they Also these tags are only really needed in more regional / outback areas, such as the Great central rd, Tanami track, French line etc so it's lightweight and won't add much size to the database. I plan to start a new project for mapping off road and regional areas of Australia and these rendering hints will certainly make a huge difference in rendering. There are already quiet a few of interested in this project and was planning to start a new project page on the Aus Wiki to coordinate this effort. We were hoping to include the rendering tags among the guild line and hope you guys agree. Li On 01/11/2012, at 3:31 PM, Ben Kelley wrote: Hi. I think tagging for the renderer is a bad idea. Essentially you are talking more about render hints, but I think that becomes a matter of preference pretty fast. Especially when OSM data can be rendered in a number of ways. I think it is worth considering what about a road makes you want to render it as a different type of road. - Ben Kelley. On Nov 1, 2012 3:01 PM, Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, have an idea about map rendering and want to get your thoughts. One of the challenges is in rendering a useful map for recreational use is displaying roads, tracks, trails and to some degree water lines at appropriate zoom levels in more remote regions where the density is lower compared with urban regions. In my opinion, most map service online services or offline vector engine experience the same issue. Here are some illustrations of the issue, by comparing Google / OSM / Raster map of the same region: Google OSM Raster map As you can clearly see, at that zoom level, there's no deal on either OSM or Google maps, where as the raster map is useful. yes you can zoom in on Google or OSM, but with a smaller viewing port, orientation is more difficult and you loose that overview which is try handy for trip planning. By using a tag specific for rendering purposes, this issue can be overcome. Rendering engines can take advantage of these tags to optimise rendering of various regions. The tags are fairly self explanatory. By tagging a road with render_as:trunk, this feature can be rendered at the same zoom level as a trench road. Each class of road will have it's own tag so if a highway:territory should be rendered at the same zoom level as a primary, then tag render_as:tertiary. What do you guys think? Cheers Li. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use
What do you guys think? It's non trivial to do it this way, but: - Define a relationship between zoom level and number of ways/nodes within the bounding box - Sort the ways in a weighted fashion - roads first, land boundaries second, etc - Zoom level max, with 10 nodes to render: well, that should likely render everything - Zoom level max - 1 with 1 billion nodes to render - roads only To actually set up the balance between zoom and what to render would be hard, but I think that's a better approach than render hints. Alternatively, after implementing it, you could add a 'render weighting/interest' attribute to a lot of ways, which would be *like* a render hint but also suitable for other purposes - ie: routing or search. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use
You can change how mapnik renders by defining different styles for different zooms. Essentially with render hints you are saying that you would like this way to look like a different type of way. If this does not map to some verifiable attribute of the way then it becomes your preference. Presumably there is something about the road that leads you to want it to look differently. Why not tag the physical (and verifyable) thing that is different, and change your style definition when you render it? Is it the surface? The importance? The width? The destination? - Ben. On Nov 1, 2012 5:13 PM, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote: What do you guys think? It's non trivial to do it this way, but: - Define a relationship between zoom level and number of ways/nodes within the bounding box - Sort the ways in a weighted fashion - roads first, land boundaries second, etc - Zoom level max, with 10 nodes to render: well, that should likely render everything - Zoom level max - 1 with 1 billion nodes to render - roads only To actually set up the balance between zoom and what to render would be hard, but I think that's a better approach than render hints. Alternatively, after implementing it, you could add a 'render weighting/interest' attribute to a lot of ways, which would be *like* a render hint but also suitable for other purposes - ie: routing or search. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit
Adelaide Metro, the umbrella brand for public transport in Adelaide on their new (beta) website at http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/ are using OpenTripPlanner and OpenStreetmap for journey planning. Nice to see OpenStreetmap getting more, albeit unacknowledged exposure. Alex ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Talk-au Digest, Vol 65, Issue 1
hi, I can think of two easier ways of doing this that setting rendering hints- one would be to change the rendering rules for set geographical areas, such as tanami track, ie when rendering within this geographic area use these rules for this zoom. A second but more complicated way to do it would be to query your database, see how dense an area is for data, then decide your rendering rules, so when it does down town sydney (dense data) - footpaths don't get shown, when you render tanami track (very little data) - footpaths are rendered and various options in between the two. This way it can be done programmatically and you don't need to add / edit the data. On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:10 PM, talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. Optimising map rendering for recreational use (Li Xia) 2. Re: Optimising map rendering for recreational use (Ben Kelley) 3. Re: Optimising map rendering for recreational use (Li Xia) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:01:11 +1100 From: Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use Message-ID: 09ee5d87-fa98-495a-af9d-a60585482...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey everyone, have an idea about map rendering and want to get your thoughts. One of the challenges is in rendering a useful map for recreational use is displaying roads, tracks, trails and to some degree water lines at appropriate zoom levels in more remote regions where the density is lower compared with urban regions. In my opinion, most map service online services or offline vector engine experience the same issue. Here are some illustrations of the issue, by comparing Google / OSM / Raster map of the same region: Google OSM Raster map As you can clearly see, at that zoom level, there's no deal on either OSM or Google maps, where as the raster map is useful. yes you can zoom in on Google or OSM, but with a smaller viewing port, orientation is more difficult and you loose that overview which is try handy for trip planning. By using a tag specific for rendering purposes, this issue can be overcome. Rendering engines can take advantage of these tags to optimise rendering of various regions. The tags are fairly self explanatory. By tagging a road with render_as:trunk, this feature can be rendered at the same zoom level as a trench road. Each class of road will have it's own tag so if a highway:territory should be rendered at the same zoom level as a primary, then tag render_as:tertiary. What do you guys think? Cheers Li. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20121101/09bfd052/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:31:50 +1100 From: Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com To: Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com Cc: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use Message-ID: CAE4-2TKUbM= iek-a3q2wmulfy5wkxpyogtdsm3ds-zaoa+y...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi. I think tagging for the renderer is a bad idea. Essentially you are talking more about render hints, but I think that becomes a matter of preference pretty fast. Especially when OSM data can be rendered in a number of ways. I think it is worth considering what about a road makes you want to render it as a different type of road. - Ben Kelley. On Nov 1, 2012 3:01 PM, Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, have an idea about map rendering and want to get your thoughts. One of the challenges is in rendering a useful map for recreational use is displaying roads, tracks, trails and to some degree water lines at appropriate zoom levels in more remote regions where the density is lower compared with urban regions. In my opinion, most map service online services or offline vector engine experience the same issue. Here are some illustrations of the issue, by comparing Google / OSM / Raster map of the same region: Google http://www.mud-maps.com/li_temp/1211/Screen%20Shot%202012-10-25%20at%204.42.31%20PM.png OSM http://www.mud-maps.com/li_temp/1211/Screen%20Shot%202012-10-25%20at%204.42.26%20PM.png Raster map http://www.mud
Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use
Hi John, Why would it be limited to just 1 purpose? Any rendering engine can take advantage of these hints? Li. On 01/11/2012, at 5:11 PM, John Smith wrote: On 1 November 2012 15:01, Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com wrote: What do you guys think? what you are really after is a custom rendering that suits your purpose, it's not the easiest of things to do, but it's not rocket science either there is a number of people on this list that would be able to help you ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use
Thanks for the suggestions, I couldn't agree more for static rendering. However this approach has some massive draw backs in terms of performance. Any suggestions in this region? Li. On 01/11/2012, at 5:13 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: What do you guys think? It's non trivial to do it this way, but: Define a relationship between zoom level and number of ways/nodes within the bounding box Sort the ways in a weighted fashion - roads first, land boundaries second, etc Zoom level max, with 10 nodes to render: well, that should likely render everything Zoom level max - 1 with 1 billion nodes to render - roads only To actually set up the balance between zoom and what to render would be hard, but I think that's a better approach than render hints. Alternatively, after implementing it, you could add a 'render weighting/interest' attribute to a lot of ways, which would be like a render hint but also suitable for other purposes - ie: routing or search. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use
Importance is of most interest. In regional areas where density is much lower, rendering lower class roads earlier on in the zoom level would improve the usability of the map much more. Li. On 01/11/2012, at 5:32 PM, Ben Kelley wrote: You can change how mapnik renders by defining different styles for different zooms. Essentially with render hints you are saying that you would like this way to look like a different type of way. If this does not map to some verifiable attribute of the way then it becomes your preference. Presumably there is something about the road that leads you to want it to look differently. Why not tag the physical (and verifyable) thing that is different, and change your style definition when you render it? Is it the surface? The importance? The width? The destination? - Ben. On Nov 1, 2012 5:13 PM, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote: What do you guys think? It's non trivial to do it this way, but: Define a relationship between zoom level and number of ways/nodes within the bounding box Sort the ways in a weighted fashion - roads first, land boundaries second, etc Zoom level max, with 10 nodes to render: well, that should likely render everything Zoom level max - 1 with 1 billion nodes to render - roads only To actually set up the balance between zoom and what to render would be hard, but I think that's a better approach than render hints. Alternatively, after implementing it, you could add a 'render weighting/interest' attribute to a lot of ways, which would be like a render hint but also suitable for other purposes - ie: routing or search. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Rendering hint suggestions
Hey Stephen, Appreciate the suggestions, I also thought about doing something similar to the idea of utilising density. The issue is one of performance, and sorting data no the fly is an expensive operation. Right now, data is sorted at compile time and stored in tiles based on the number of nodes, therefor each tile has very similar node count. Li. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Offline iOS rendering engine
Hey guys, Since we are on the topic of rendering, I should explain my background. I'm the Founder of Mud Map and we develop iOS app for outdoor recreational navigation, 4wd, hiking etcs. We've been working on a offline rendering engine for a while now and it works well with OSM data. Would you guys be interested in having a look and possibly because a beta tester? Your feedback would be much appreciated. Li. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use
Hi John, Why would it be limited to just 1 purpose? Any rendering engine can take advantage of these hints? On 01/11/2012, at 5:11 PM, John Smith wrote: On 1 November 2012 15:01, Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com wrote: What do you guys think? what you are really after is a custom rendering that suits your purpose, it's not the easiest of things to do, but it's not rocket science either there is a number of people on this list that would be able to help you ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use
Thanks for the suggestions, I couldn't agree more for static rendering. However this approach has some massive draw backs in terms of performance. Another idea was using routes to define the importance, what do you guys think about this approach? Li. On 01/11/2012, at 5:13 PM, Daniel O'Connor wrote: What do you guys think? It's non trivial to do it this way, but: Define a relationship between zoom level and number of ways/nodes within the bounding box Sort the ways in a weighted fashion - roads first, land boundaries second, etc Zoom level max, with 10 nodes to render: well, that should likely render everything Zoom level max - 1 with 1 billion nodes to render - roads only To actually set up the balance between zoom and what to render would be hard, but I think that's a better approach than render hints. Alternatively, after implementing it, you could add a 'render weighting/interest' attribute to a lot of ways, which would be like a render hint but also suitable for other purposes - ie: routing or search. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use
Importance is of most interest. In regional areas where density is much lower, rendering lower class roads earlier on in the zoom level would improve the usability of the map much more. Li. On 01/11/2012, at 5:32 PM, Ben Kelley wrote: You can change how mapnik renders by defining different styles for different zooms. Essentially with render hints you are saying that you would like this way to look like a different type of way. If this does not map to some verifiable attribute of the way then it becomes your preference. Presumably there is something about the road that leads you to want it to look differently. Why not tag the physical (and verifyable) thing that is different, and change your style definition when you render it? Is it the surface? The importance? The width? The destination? - Ben. On Nov 1, 2012 5:13 PM, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote: What do you guys think? It's non trivial to do it this way, but: Define a relationship between zoom level and number of ways/nodes within the bounding box Sort the ways in a weighted fashion - roads first, land boundaries second, etc Zoom level max, with 10 nodes to render: well, that should likely render everything Zoom level max - 1 with 1 billion nodes to render - roads only To actually set up the balance between zoom and what to render would be hard, but I think that's a better approach than render hints. Alternatively, after implementing it, you could add a 'render weighting/interest' attribute to a lot of ways, which would be like a render hint but also suitable for other purposes - ie: routing or search. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Rendering hint suggestions
most renderers have smarter algorithms than just get rid of every 'x' nodes - they do it more like- reduce the number of nodes so that the feature deviates by less than 'x' distance / angle On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 November 2012 19:32, Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com wrote: The issue is one of performance, and sorting data no the fly is an expensive operation. there is already apps that do off line rendering, they pre-process data, and usually drop the number of nodes to 1/10th etc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Rendering hint suggestions
Other than skobbler, which is more for turn by turn, i've never seen anything that can render a regional map to the standard we are chasing. Nodes are already been reduced dynamically by marking each node at compile time with a level of importance. Issue isn't reducing nodes, it's more related to at which zoom level each road class is been rendered. Issues lies in the difference in density. A config that works well for metro areas doesn't work in regional areas. Li. On 01/11/2012, at 7:46 PM, John Smith wrote: On 1 November 2012 19:32, Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com wrote: The issue is one of performance, and sorting data no the fly is an expensive operation. there is already apps that do off line rendering, they pre-process data, and usually drop the number of nodes to 1/10th etc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use
Li, another complication worth thinking about. In theory, when we map a road, the highway tag needs to relate to the purpose of the road rather than the condition. This is a topic that has been under discussion for the last week or so. And renderers really only seem to be interested in the highway tag, ignore tags such as 4wd_only and tracktype (for other than highway=track). So, for example, roads such as the Tanami track or Plenty Highway are technically, primary roads. And therefore rendered at quite a broad zoom level. I got all upset about this as I am worried that potentially visitors see a nice thick line and assume its a nice road. (In fact they are great roads but not for the ill equipped!). I have been pushing the idea if we are to stick to the politically correct idea that highway is about purpose and not condition, then we need a reliable way to warn people reading the maps AND importantly, people building rendering engines what the condition might be. Please see the discussion page on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines and http://wikiopenstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype I have suggested extending tracktype to, a) have additional levels of difficulty and b) clarify that this grading really does apply to all roads, not just highway=track I do think that this might be a better way to achieve what you want too. But the real issue is the mainstream renders and the routers won't think about it unless its widely adopted and used. As they say in the ALP, disunity is death ! David - Original Message - From: Li Xia To: Cc: Sent:Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:01:11 +1100 Subject:[talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use Hey everyone, have an idea about map rendering and want to get your thoughts. One of the challenges is in rendering a useful map for recreational use is displaying roads, tracks, trails and to some degree water lines at appropriate zoom levels in more remote regions where the density is lower compared with urban regions. In my opinion, most map service online services or offline vector engine experience the same issue. Here are some illustrations of the issue, by comparing Google / OSM / Raster map of the same region: Google [1] OSM [2] Raster map [3] As you can clearly see, at that zoom level, there's no deal on either OSM or Google maps, where as the raster map is useful. yes you can zoom in on Google or OSM, but with a smaller viewing port, orientation is more difficult and you loose that overview which is try handy for trip planning. By using a tag specific for rendering purposes, this issue can be overcome. Rendering engines can take advantage of these tags to optimise rendering of various regions. The tags are fairly self explanatory. By tagging a road with render_as:trunk, this feature can be rendered at the same zoom level as a trench road. Each class of road will have it's own tag so if a highway:territory should be rendered at the same zoom level as a primary, then tag render_as:tertiary. What do you guys think? Cheers Li. Links: -- [1] http://www.mud-maps.com/li_temp/1211/Screen%20Shot%202012-10-25%20at%204.42.31%20PM.png [2] http://www.mud-maps.com/li_temp/1211/Screen%20Shot%202012-10-25%20at%204.42.26%20PM.png [3] http://www.mud-maps.com/li_temp/1211/Screen%20Shot%202012-10-25%20at%204.42.22%20PM.png ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Alex Sims a...@softgrow.com wrote: Adelaide Metro, the umbrella brand for public transport in Adelaide on their new (beta) website at http://www.adelaidemetro.com.**au/ http://www.adelaidemetro.com.au/ are using OpenTripPlanner and OpenStreetmap for journey planning. Nice to see OpenStreetmap getting more, albeit unacknowledged exposure. Are they pushing data into OSM? Or do we know if the installation has data services available? (Good to see the bus stops are URIs!) I remember approaching them several years ago, asking about data extracts of timetables/stop locations/etc to do mashups - I met with them, but I felt it went poorly at the time. It's interesting to see this as basically an about face! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit
My understanding is that real time data is sent from all Metrocard vehicles via GPRS to a central site. The supply of data is real soon now and they are keen to get developers using the data All of the timetable data and stop data has been available for a year or so as GTFS format, although hidden on their old site under site map. There is a copy also on GitHub. Getting back on topic I don't think their license condition permits upload to OpenStreetmap, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. Alex On 01/11/2012, at 9:11 PM, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote: Are they pushing data into OSM? Or do we know if the installation has data services available? (Good to see the bus stops are URIs!) I remember approaching them several years ago, asking about data extracts of timetables/stop locations/etc to do mashups - I met with them, but I felt it went poorly at the time. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit
All of the timetable data and stop data has been available for a year or so as GTFS format, although hidden on their old site under site map. There is a copy also on GitHub. Neat, wish I'd seen that sooner! Getting back on topic So I guess... What's the best kind of contribution that would make their use of OSM more relevant to the public? I put in a suggestion around looking at different renders - something more like the transport map would be useful (as it focused on bus stops and roads only), but I really don't know enough about the tools to judge how hard that is. House/street numbering, place names come to mind, but what else would people recommend? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit
On 01/11/12 23:43, Daniel O'Connor wrote: What's the best kind of contribution that would make their use of OSM more relevant to the public? Putting in the footpaths which aren't alongside the road. I mean the important ones which run between buildings to allow pedestrian access between streets without having to go the long way around (and following the route cars would have to take). John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use
As a traveller, I can certainly see merit to pushing a certain road to being rendered in a specific way. Most vector maps (OSM, Google, Apple, Navteq etc etc) have a big empty space in the centre. IMHO it would be very handy to be able to see some of these tracks rendered at a much higher (alt.) zoom than current, yet still see their road classification (suggestions for up-classing a track won't work as it may well suggest that a 4wd track like the French Line or Gunbarrell is a decent road!). Given that many of these tracks are 500-100km in length, the current zoom level you need to be at to see them makes visualising them a chore. It certainly would be handy if OSM rendered unpaved roads differently to paved roads. Nathan From: talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 9:41 PM Subject: Talk-au Digest, Vol 65, Issue 4 Send Talk-au mailing list submissions to talk-au@openstreetmap.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to talk-au-requ...@openstreetmap.org You can reach the person managing the list at talk-au-ow...@openstreetmap.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Talk-au digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Optimising map rendering for recreational use (Li Xia) 2. Re: Rendering hint suggestions (Stephen Kelly) 3. Re: Rendering hint suggestions (Li Xia) 4. Re: Optimising map rendering for recreational use (David Bannon) 5. Re: Adelaide Metro using OpenStreetmap/OpenTripPlanner instead of Google Transit (Daniel O'Connor) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 19:47:03 +1100 From: Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com To: Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com Cc: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Optimising map rendering for recreational use Message-ID: ade71f15-a95d-4700-894e-e8599b8e1...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Importance is of most interest. In regional areas where density is much lower, rendering lower class roads earlier on in the zoom level would improve the usability of the map much more. Li. On 01/11/2012, at 5:32 PM, Ben Kelley wrote: You can change how mapnik renders by defining different styles for different zooms. Essentially with render hints you are saying that you would like this way to look like a different type of way. If this does not map to some verifiable attribute of the way then it becomes your preference. Presumably there is something about the road that leads you to want it to look differently. Why not tag the physical (and verifyable) thing that is different, and change your style definition when you render it? Is it the surface? The importance? The width? The destination? - Ben. On Nov 1, 2012 5:13 PM, Daniel O'Connor daniel.ocon...@gmail.com wrote: What do you guys think? It's non trivial to do it this way, but: Define a relationship between zoom level and number of ways/nodes within the bounding box Sort the ways in a weighted fashion - roads first, land boundaries second, etc Zoom level max, with 10 nodes to render: well, that should likely render everything Zoom level max - 1 with 1 billion nodes to render - roads only To actually set up the balance between zoom and what to render would be hard, but I think that's a better approach than render hints. Alternatively, after implementing it, you could add a 'render weighting/interest' attribute to a lot of ways, which would be like a render hint but also suitable for other purposes - ie: routing or search. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/attachments/20121101/0b3fcc68/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:49:07 +1000 From: Stephen Kelly st...@sjk.net.au To: John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com Cc: Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com, OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Rendering hint suggestions Message-ID: CAN3=ykz+dp45cai++hsdhkrf+d2wevgxuki4g7vqg-voz1z...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 most renderers have smarter algorithms than just get rid of every 'x' nodes - they do it more like- reduce the number of nodes so that the feature deviates by less than 'x' distance / angle On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:46 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 1 November 2012 19:32, Li Xia lisxia1...@gmail.com wrote: The issue
Re: [Talk-br] Nova na lista
Salve salve Yaso o/ []s Nighto Em 01/11/2012 07:27, Yasodara Cordova yasodara.cord...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá a todos escrevo para me apresentar: meu nome é Yaso sou designer e gostaria muito de contribuir com o OSM. Um abraço, -- ∞ http://yaso.euyaso.eu ∞ w3c.br http://w3c.br ∞ ingraxa.eu ∞ yaso.in **feelings are wireless** ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Nova na lista
Por falar nisso, tenho uma dúvida que talvez seja a mesma de quem tá começando a mapear agora: Alguém conhece outra fonte de dados de imagens, fora o Bing Maps, que tenha fotos com uma boa resolução de Pernambuco? 2012/11/1 rosedson cesar molinari rosedsoncesarmolin...@yahoo.com.br: Saudações ao Grupo, Como começo a ajudar... Atenciosamente, Rosedson. De: Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com Para: OSM talk-br talk-br@openstreetmap.org Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012 11:53 Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] Nova na lista Salve salve Yaso o/ []s Nighto Em 01/11/2012 07:27, Yasodara Cordova yasodara.cord...@gmail.com escreveu: Olá a todos escrevo para me apresentar: meu nome é Yaso sou designer e gostaria muito de contribuir com o OSM. Um abraço, -- ∞ yaso.eu ∞ w3c.br ∞ ingraxa.eu ∞ yaso.in **feelings are wireless** ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br -- Lúcio Flávio Corrêa (+55) (87) 9127-9487 @luciofcorrea ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenlistenauswertung in Beta-Version verfügbar
Moin, Am 01.11.2012 05:58, schrieb Martin Trautmann: On 12-10-31 22:19, Andreas Dommaschk wrote: Du kannst dich in dem Wiki der Straßenliste anmelden und die Straße korregieren. Wie sähe das im konkreten Fall aus? Ganz grundsätzlich: Ausgehend von der Startseite http://regio-osm.de/listofstreets/index.html den unteren Link zum Wiki folgen http://regio-osm.de/listofstreets/wiki/index.php Dort im Suchfeld den gewünschten Ort bzw. die gewünschte Liste angeben, hier Oederan OT Frankenstein. Ggf. oben links Benutzerkonto anlegen und/oder anmelden. Dann kann man die Seite bearbeiten. Warum hier der Link in der Auswertung zur Orts-Seite nicht funktioniert, muss allerdings Dietmar beantworten. Von dort sollte man sonst auch per link direkt zur Listen-Seite gelangen. Ich selbst finde z.B. schon mal gar nicht die von Dir im direkten Link angegebene Seite ausgehend von der Startseite der Auswertung. Ggf. ist das Ganze dem Gemeindeumbau in Sachsen geschuldet, soweit ich weiß verknüpft Dietmar die Seiten auch über den AGS. Eingemeindete Ortsteile haben aber ja gar keinen AGS mehr. In meinen Augen sollte man solche Listen unter der neuen Gemeinde, gerne mit Unterteilung in Ortsteile zusammenfassen. Ein diesbezügliches Beispiel von mir: Schönberg (Holstein) im Kreis Plön. Gruß Georg ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Problem mit History eines Ways
Moin, ich hätte da gerne mal ein Problem. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35743954/history Laut Chronik gibt es also genau eine Version. Im Potlatch werden mir aber DREI Versionen angezeigt (Edit in Potlatch2, weg anklicken, H drücken). Ich habe auch tatsächlich an dem way herumgeschoben, weil der durch das von mir eingezeichnete Mühlenhaus führte. Außerdem habe ich den anders an den benachbarten way http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35743953/history angeschlossen. Auch bei dem zeigt potlatch FÜNF Versionen, die Chronik nur zwei. Aber während 35743953 noch genau so aussieht, wie ich ihn hinterlassen habe, hat sich 35743954verdoppelt und schlägt lustige Haken. Was ist da passiert? Rainer Ps: Den Mapper seawolff habe ich schon angeschrieben, aber noch keine Antwort bekommen. Pps: Gerade erst gesehen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35743956/history derselbe Effekt, zusätzlich mit verwaisten Nodes http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1987807697 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1987807696 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenlistenauswertung in Beta-Version verfügbar
Hallo Martin, Bei Frankenstein konkret gab es wegen einer alten Liste mit dort veraltetem Regionalschlüssel eine Blockade der aktuellen Frankenstein Liste im Wiki und die habe ich gestern abend aufgelöst. Heute ist die Auswertung für Frankenstein hier [1] zu finden. Allgemein zu Ortsteilllisten: Wenn (wie hier Frankenstein) eine Straßenliste vorliegt und die Gemeinde eingemeindet wurde, gibt es zwei Möglichkeiten: die Liste als Ortsteilliste in die Hauptgemeinde integrieren (dann eine Überschrift 3. Ebene mit dem Ortsteil erzeugen a la === Frankenstein ===) oder die Liste umbenennen in Hauptgemeinde OT Frankenstein). Wenn die ehemalige Gemeinderelation Ebene 8 bestehen bleibt (dann meist 9 bei Ortsgemeinden), ist eine Auswertung mit der Relation genauer für den Ortsteil. Vor allem dann, wenn Straßen mehrfach vorkommen. Bei großen Städten a la Berlin und Stuttgart sind sowohl die gesamte Liste einmal vorhanden als auch je Stadtbezirk und teilweise als Stadtteil. In diesen Fällen (bis jetzt Stuttgart, noch nicht Berlin) habe ich alle Listen übernommen, allerdings finde ich das zumindest auf Stadtteilebene übertrieben und die Listen müssen ja konstistent gepflegt werden, da vermute ich zukünftige Inkonsistenzen. Ein weiteres Problem mit den Ortsteillisten gibt es aktuell noch: weil die ja keinen Gemeindeschlüssel haben, kann ich für die nicht auf eine zentrale administrative Liste zurückgreifen. Ich versuche dann, die Hierarchie über die administrativen Relationen in der Gemeinde zu ermitteln, das klappt aber nicht immer und über Nominatimanfragen kommen dann Abweichungen vor wie hier ehemals bei Frankenstein, wo dann u.a. Postleitzahlen zurückkommen. Ich gebe zu, da auch nicht alle Nominatimtreffer nochmal genauer zu prüfen, um die richtige auszuwählen. Zusammengefaßt: am liebsten Ortsteillisten in die Hauptgemeindeliste integrieren, bei großen Städten bis maximal Stadtbezirkslisten zusätzlich erzeugen. viele Grüße Dietmar [1] http://regio-osm.de/listofstreets/Bundesrepublik+Deutschland/Sachsen/Mittels achsen/Oederan/Oederan+OT+Frankenstein.html hier konkret -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Martin Trautmann [mailto:tr...@gmx.de] Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 1. November 2012 05:59 An: talk-de@openstreetmap.org Betreff: Re: [Talk-de] Straßenlistenauswertung in Beta-Version verfügbar On 12-10-31 22:19, Andreas Dommaschk wrote: Am 31.10.2012 21:52, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Wie kann man diese Listen denn korrigieren? Du kannst dich in dem Wiki der Straßenliste anmelden und die Straße korregieren. Wie sähe das im konkreten Fall aus? Schönen Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenlistenauswertung in Beta-Version verfügbar
Hallo Georg, Von: Georg Feddern [mailto:o...@bavarianmallet.de] Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 1. November 2012 08:36 Warum hier der Link in der Auswertung zur Orts-Seite nicht funktioniert, muss allerdings Dietmar beantworten. Es gab zwei Listen in der Datenbank (die neue aus dem Wiki mit OSM-Relations-ID und die alte mit veraltetem Gemeindeschlüssel), die haben sich gegenseitig blockiert. Ggf. ist das Ganze dem Gemeindeumbau in Sachsen geschuldet, soweit ich weiß verknüpft Dietmar die Seiten auch über den AGS. Eingemeindete Ortsteile haben aber ja gar keinen AGS mehr. Stimmt, der Gemeindeschlüssel (AGS) ist die primäre ID und der Gemeindename muß zwischen Wiki und offizieller Gemeindeliste ähnlich sein. Fehlt der AGS, wäre eine vorhandene OSM-Relations-ID die nächste Erkennung. Die Eingemeindungen nerven ;) In meinen Augen sollte man solche Listen unter der neuen Gemeinde, gerne mit Unterteilung in Ortsteile zusammenfassen. Ja, auch von mir bevorzugt viele Grüße Dietmar ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Problem mit History eines Ways
On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 10:14:49AM +0100, Rainer Knaepper wrote: ich hätte da gerne mal ein Problem. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35743954/history Laut Chronik gibt es also genau eine Version. Im Potlatch werden mir aber DREI Versionen angezeigt (Edit in Potlatch2, weg anklicken, H drücken). Wahrscheinlich wurden Nodes bewegt und Potlatch macht dann eine Pseudo-Version draus. Die Version des Ways ändert sich in der Datenbank ja nur, wenn sich die Tags oder die Node IDs ändern, nicht wenn sich die Koordinaten der Nodes ändern. Jochen -- Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Problem mit History eines Ways
Am 01.11.2012 11:55, schrieb Jochen Topf: On Thu, Nov 01, 2012 at 10:14:49AM +0100, Rainer Knaepper wrote: ich hätte da gerne mal ein Problem. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35743954/history Laut Chronik gibt es also genau eine Version. Im Potlatch werden mir aber DREI Versionen angezeigt (Edit in Potlatch2, weg anklicken, H drücken). Wahrscheinlich wurden Nodes bewegt und Potlatch macht dann eine Pseudo-Version draus. Die Version des Ways ändert sich in der Datenbank ja nur, wenn sich die Tags oder die Node IDs ändern, nicht wenn sich die Koordinaten der Nodes ändern. Wo speichert Potlatch denn diese Pseudo-versionen, wenn nicht in der Datenbank? -- Rainer ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Problem mit History eines Ways
Am 01/nov/2012 um 12:21 schrieb Rainer Knaepper sm...@gmx.de: Wahrscheinlich wurden Nodes bewegt und Potlatch macht dann eine Pseudo-Version draus. Die Version des Ways ändert sich in der Datenbank ja nur, wenn sich die Tags oder die Node IDs ändern, nicht wenn sich die Koordinaten der Nodes ändern. Wo speichert Potlatch denn diese Pseudo-versionen, wenn nicht in der Datenbank? Steht ja oben, es sind Node-Versionen aus denen pseudoversionen des Ways generiert werden. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] unterird. Wasserkanal
Hi ! in Spanien, mal wieder, ist ein unterird. Kanal (2.5 Durchmesser) als Kanal getaggt. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/122594344 Sieht aus wie ein River - besser eine Pipeline / unterirdisch daraus machen; nicht wegen der Renderer, aber von der Bedeutung ? Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] unterird. Wasserkanal
Am 01.11.2012 14:49, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Hi ! in Spanien, mal wieder, ist ein unterird. Kanal (2.5 Durchmesser) als Kanal getaggt. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/122594344 Sieht aus wie ein River - besser eine Pipeline / unterirdisch daraus machen; nicht wegen der Renderer, aber von der Bedeutung ? Hallo Jan, das vorhandene culvert=yes durch tunnel=culvert ersetzen. Kanal würde ich so lassen. Grüße René ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] WMS Layer voreinstellen - JOSM
Moin zusammen, eigentlich mag ich JOSM. Was mich nervt ist jedoch, dass ich meine WMS-Layer jedes Mal wieder neu aufrufen und einstellen muss. Im Wesentlichen benutze ich 2 WMS-Layer. Da sich die Layer jedoch nicht automatisch an den jeweiligen Zoom-Level anpassen, benutze ich beide Layer 2x, jeweils mit unterschiedlichen Auflösungen. Zwei der 4 Ebenen müssen dann noch auf halbtransparent gestellt werden. die ersten paar Minuten vergehen also nur mit dem Laden und Einstellen der WMS-Layer. :-( Gibt es keine Möglichkeit das ganze als Voreinstellung in JOSM zu wählen? Vielen Dank vorab und (zumindest Teilen von Deutschland) einen schönen Feiertag! Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Problem mit History eines Ways
Am 01.11.2012 13:00, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 01/nov/2012 um 12:21 schrieb Rainer Knaepper sm...@gmx.de: Wahrscheinlich wurden Nodes bewegt und Potlatch macht dann eine Pseudo-Version draus. Die Version des Ways ändert sich in der Datenbank ja nur, wenn sich die Tags oder die Node IDs ändern, nicht wenn sich die Koordinaten der Nodes ändern. Wo speichert Potlatch denn diese Pseudo-versionen, wenn nicht in der Datenbank? Steht ja oben, es sind Node-Versionen aus denen pseudoversionen des Ways generiert werden. Das erklärt immer noch nicht, weshalb der Weg nach dem Edit von seewolff Haken schlägt (und auch von mapnik so lustig doppelt gerendert wurde) und woher die verwaisten Nodes am Mühlteich und neben dem davon abgehenden Bach herkommen. Aber egal, die toten Nodes interessieren mich nicht und den Weg habe ich halt nochmal repariert. Rainer (der einen falsch aufgelösten Bearbeitungskonflikt vermutet, aber wenn das unwichtig ist, dann ist das eben unwichtig) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Straßenlistenauswertung in Beta-Version verfügbar
On 12-11-01 11:27, Dietmar wrote: Ein weiteres Problem mit den Ortsteillisten gibt es aktuell noch: weil die ja keinen Gemeindeschlüssel haben, kann ich für die nicht auf eine zentrale administrative Liste zurückgreifen. In solchen Fällen habe ich den Gemeindeschlüssel um weitere Stellen ergänzt - teils auf 9, 10 oder 11 Stellen. Mehr braucht's normalerweise nicht, mit 12 Stellen kann man auch schon die meisten Straßen selbst codieren. Teils bieten sich offizielle Nummern an, die für Stadtteile, -viertel, -bezirke, -quartiere vergeben werden. Teils habe ich die einfach selbst durchnummeriert. So kann man die Systematik von Bundesland, Regierungsbezirk, Kreis, Gemeinde gut nach unten fortsetzen und auch Stadtteile innerhalb von Stadtbezirken systematisch zuordnen. Offiziell und bundesweit gibt's diese Erweiterung nicht - aus dem Amtlichen Gemeindeschlüssel wird daher einfach ein willkürlicher, privat erweiterter. Ich selbst habe die Daten der Einfachheit halber gleich direkt unter dem AGS als Dateinamen abgespeichert. Schönen Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Problem mit History eines Ways
Am 01.11.2012 10:14, schrieb Rainer Knaepper: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35743954/history Laut Chronik gibt es also genau eine Version. Im Potlatch werden mir aber DREI Versionen angezeigt (Edit in Potlatch2, weg anklicken, H drücken). Moin, 2009 hatte ich die Mühle nach einem Besuch am Mühlentag (Der deutsche Mühlentag ist jedes Jahr der Pfingstmontag) auf Basis meiner GPS-Daten erstellt. Mehr als drei Jahre hat niemand die Daten angefasst... Sonntag hat Rainer die Mühle und Umgebung verbessert und zeitgleich habe ich ebenfalls den See und den Pfad anhand der jetzt verfügbaren Bing-Luftbilder editiert. Beim Upload meiner Daten kam es zu mehreren Konflikten. Ich habe jeweils die aktuelle Datenbankversion bei der Konfliktlösung ausgewählt und meine Änderungen an diesen Objekten verworfen. Trotzdem hat es mein Upload offenbar in die Potlatch- Historie geschafft. Vielleicht kann ein Eingeweihter erklären, welche Transaktionen in der Datenbank intern ablaufen. Ps: Den Mapper seawolff habe ich schon angeschrieben, aber noch keine Antwort bekommen. Ich habe die Nachricht zu spät bemerkt. Da OSM immer unterschiedliche Absendeadressen in die Mail einträgt, landen die Mitteilungen bei mir im Ordner Unbekannt :-) Viele Grüße Stephan (aka seawolff) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Problem mit History eines Ways
Am 01.11.2012 18:48, schrieb Stephan Wolff: Am 01.11.2012 10:14, schrieb Rainer Knaepper: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/35743954/history Laut Chronik gibt es also genau eine Version. Im Potlatch werden mir aber DREI Versionen angezeigt (Edit in Potlatch2, weg anklicken, H drücken). Moin, 2009 hatte ich die Mühle nach einem Besuch am Mühlentag (Der deutsche Mühlentag ist jedes Jahr der Pfingstmontag) auf Basis meiner GPS-Daten erstellt. Mehr als drei Jahre hat niemand die Daten angefasst... Sonntag hat Rainer die Mühle und Umgebung verbessert und zeitgleich habe ich ebenfalls den See und den Pfad anhand der jetzt verfügbaren Bing-Luftbilder editiert. Beim Upload meiner Daten kam es zu mehreren Konflikten. Genau sowas hatte ich mir gedacht! Ich war auf Wikiknipserfototour und bastele dann die Objekte, die ich besucht habe, gewöhnlich auch bei OSM rein. Da ich ziemlich lange innerhalb der Mühle zugange war, ist mein GPS-Track freilich ziemlich hudelig, aber zusammen mit den Bing-Bildern kriegt man damit gewöhnlich was brauchbares zustande. Es lohnt übrigens wirklich, dort mal reinzuschauen :-) Ich habe jeweils die aktuelle Datenbankversion bei der Konfliktlösung ausgewählt und meine Änderungen an diesen Objekten verworfen. Trotzdem hat es mein Upload offenbar in die Potlatch- Historie geschafft. Vielleicht kann ein Eingeweihter erklären, welche Transaktionen in der Datenbank intern ablaufen. Potlatch hat jedenfalls keinerlei Konflikte angezeigt. Als ich die Sitzung beendete, war auch sozusagen meine Version bei mapnik aktuell (per Kartenneuanforderung überprüft, mache ich immer, um zu sehen, ob ich nicht versehentlich etwas gründlich versemmelt habe). Hab dann erst einen Tag später entdeckt, daß da was verstrubbelt war. Tjo, und da fand ich dann eben deine etwas später gespeicherten Änderungen. Auch die toten Nodes am Mühlbach südlich der Straße, wo wir offensichtlich einen sehr nahe beieinanderliegenden Verlauf nach Bing gemalt haben, aber die Punkte unterschiedlich gesetzt. Beim Fußweg hat deine Version gewonnen, beim Bach meine. Schon komisch. Es ist natürlich ein vermutlich ziemlich seltener Zufall, daß sich in einem so abgelegenen Landstrich zwei Mapper am selben Abend in die Quere kommen. Trotzdem wundert mich, daß solche Bearbeitungskonflikte nicht von der zur Verfügung stehenden Software besser abgefangen wird. Ich habe die Nachricht zu spät bemerkt. Macht ja nix, Hauptsache wir finden bei Problemen eine Lösung, ich denke, auf einen Tag oder eine Woche mehr oder weniger kommt's nicht drauf an :-) Rainer ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Ciao a tutti. Un distributore di un determinato brand, nelle vicinanze del mio paese ha chiuso. Ora c'è l'insegna, il cartellone con i prezzi (tutti a zero), visto da fuori sembrerebbe attivo, l'unica cosa che mancano sono...le pompe per il rifornimento :-) Ora sul mio Gps viene ovviamente renderizzato. Che tag si può inserire per fare capire che il distributore non è attivo? Ovviamente quando cambierà gestione e riaprirà si inseriranno tutti i nuovi dati. -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Se non ci sono più le pompe non é un distributore di benzina. Perchè semplicemente non si può cancellare il nodo? Quando riaprirà lo si rimette.. Gianmario Mengozzi sent by GNexus Il giorno 01/nov/2012 09:59, Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti. Un distributore di un determinato brand, nelle vicinanze del mio paese ha chiuso. Ora c'è l'insegna, il cartellone con i prezzi (tutti a zero), visto da fuori sembrerebbe attivo, l'unica cosa che mancano sono...le pompe per il rifornimento :-) Ora sul mio Gps viene ovviamente renderizzato. Che tag si può inserire per fare capire che il distributore non è attivo? Ovviamente quando cambierà gestione e riaprirà si inseriranno tutti i nuovi dati. -- Gianluca Boero __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Il 01/11/2012 10:18, Gianmario Mengozzi ha scritto: Se non ci sono più le pompe non é un distributore di benzina. Perchè semplicemente non si può cancellare il nodo? Quando riaprirà lo si rimette.. Gianmario Mengozzi Perchè visto dal di fuori è un distributore di benzina, ovviamente chiuso come attività. Bisognerebbe solo trovare un modo per dire che in questo momento è inattivo. -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Io quando mi è capitato ho messo amenity=disused disused=fuel Il giorno 01/nov/2012 10:23, Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it ha scritto: Il 01/11/2012 10:18, Gianmario Mengozzi ha scritto: Se non ci sono più le pompe non é un distributore di benzina. Perchè semplicemente non si può cancellare il nodo? Quando riaprirà lo si rimette.. Gianmario Mengozzi Perchè visto dal di fuori è un distributore di benzina, ovviamente chiuso come attività. Bisognerebbe solo trovare un modo per dire che in questo momento è inattivo. -- Gianluca Boero __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Se però è momentaneamente senza gestore? Il giorno 01 novembre 2012 10:18, Gianmario Mengozzi gianmario.mengo...@gmail.com ha scritto: Se non ci sono più le pompe non é un distributore di benzina. Perchè semplicemente non si può cancellare il nodo? Quando riaprirà lo si rimette.. Gianmario Mengozzi sent by GNexus Il giorno 01/nov/2012 09:59, Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti. Un distributore di un determinato brand, nelle vicinanze del mio paese ha chiuso. Ora c'è l'insegna, il cartellone con i prezzi (tutti a zero), visto da fuori sembrerebbe attivo, l'unica cosa che mancano sono...le pompe per il rifornimento :-) Ora sul mio Gps viene ovviamente renderizzato. Che tag si può inserire per fare capire che il distributore non è attivo? Ovviamente quando cambierà gestione e riaprirà si inseriranno tutti i nuovi dati. -- Gianluca Boero __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- *«La mente è come un paracadute. Funziona solo se si apre.»* * * -- *Be GREEN and keep it on your SCREEN!* --Ai sensi del Decreto Legislativo n. 196 del 30 giugno 2003 (Codice Privacy) si precisa che le informazioni contenute in questo messaggio sono riservarte e ad uso esclusivo del destinatario. Qualora il messaggio in parola le fosse pervenuto per errore, la prego di eliminarlo senza copiarlo e di non inoltrarlo a terzi, dandomene gentilmente comunicazione. Grazie. This message, for the Italian Legislative Decree No. 196 of 30th June 2003 (Privacy Code), may contain confidential and/or privileded information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose or take any action based on this message or any information here in. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Am 01/nov/2012 um 10:22 schrieb Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it: Il 01/11/2012 10:18, Gianmario Mengozzi ha scritto: Se non ci sono più le pompe non é un distributore di benzina. Perchè semplicemente non si può cancellare il nodo? Quando riaprirà lo si rimette.. Gianmario Mengozzi Perchè visto dal di fuori è un distributore di benzina, ovviamente chiuso come attività. Bisognerebbe solo trovare un modo per dire che in questo momento è inattivo. Toglierei amenity=fuel, perché benzina non c`è. Potresti lasciare il brand e mettere un disused=yes, o meglio disused:amenity=fuel (se ricordo bene) Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Am 01/nov/2012 um 10:27 schrieb Matteo Quatrida matteo.quatr...@gmail.com: Se però è momentaneamente senza gestore? Togli la chiave operator Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Io supporto l'approccio del namespace [1] disused:amenity=fuel disused=yes Rimane traccia dell'entità che è entrata in disuso (può sempre essere usata come riferimento geografico) Nel caso che rientrasse in attività, il ripristino sarà veloce e senza dubbi su come era taggato in precedenza. Per precauzione, anche eventuali altri tag dovrebbero includere il namespace disused: Fabrizio [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused Il giorno 01 novembre 2012 10:31, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com ha scritto: Am 01/nov/2012 um 10:27 schrieb Matteo Quatrida matteo.quatr...@gmail.com : Se però è momentaneamente senza gestore? Togli la chiave operator Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] new entry
Mi chiamo Mario Pichetti user = fair L'unità con cui lavoro è un netbook con CPU ATOM (N270). Monitor da 22 pollici. Sistema operativo win 7 32 bit. Editor JOSM. Browser posta Thunderbird portable ultima versione. Browser web Firefox P-U-V. GPS Garmin etrex 30. Traccio nella zona di Riolo - Villa Vezzano (RA) Volevo prima di tutto ringraziare e scusarmi pubblicamente con *Simone* che mi ha iscritto e che è una persona squisita e molto paziente.:-) Poi volevo salutare tutta la lista che mi sembra viva e pulsante. Io sto tracciando e mi sono affidato, per ora solo ai preziosi consigli di Alberto e Mchek. Chiedo: Se si traccia con le immagini aeree quale è quella più precisa per la mia zona. Se traccio col GPS ci sono delle modalità particolari da rispettare. Ci sono delle gerarchie da rispettare quando si traccia (prima i confini, poi le strade ecc.) Insomma volevo essere utile, non fare casini se possibile e tracciare in modo preciso e corretto. Se avete voglia e pazienza, io sono a vostra disposizione per apprendere e collaborare. Buona giornata a tutti, Mario. -- RISPETTA L'AMBIENTE: SE NON TI E' NECESSARIO, NON STAMPARE QUESTA E-MAIL. Le informazioni contenute in questa comunicazione sono riservate e destinate esclusivamente alla/e persona/e o all'ente/i a cui sono stati indirizzati. Se questa comunicazione Vi e' pervenuta per errore, siete pregati di informare il mittente rispondendo a questa mail. I dati riportati nel presente documento sono trattati nel rispetto del D.Lgs. 196/2003 (Codice della Privacy) sulla tutela dei dati personali. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Ho inserito i tag disused e sulla mappa è sparita l'icona del distributore. Credo non troverà traccia sul Gps. Lascerei operator perchè in fin dei conti l'area rimane di proprietà di un marchio sino a cessione, vendita o passaggio. -- Gianluca Boero ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Am 01/nov/2012 um 11:31 schrieb Gianluca Boero gianlucabo...@alice.it: Lascerei operator perchè in fin dei conti l'area rimane di proprietà di un marchio sino a cessione, vendita o passaggio. Operator è quello che gestisce il posto, se il benzinaio è chiuso probabilmente non rimane l'operator il vecchio benzinaio ma qualche ditta di gestione immobiliare. Io farei o una ricerca (poco probabile) chi gestisce oppure toglierei il tag. Invece lascerei un attimo brand finché si vedono gli insegni. Non sono sicuro com'è la situazione in Italia, ma in Germania il marchio spesso (q8, shell, ecc) non è ne il proprietario ne il gestore di un benzinaio, invece il gestore lo vedi dai scontrini ed il proprietario nel catasto Ciao Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Riduzione delle province
Qui intanto una lista dei vari accorpamenti previsti: http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/notizie/2012-10-31/ecco-seguito-nuova-mappa-135124.shtml?uuid=AbWV2lyG Ciao! Carlo -- .-. | Registered Linux User #443882| .''`. oo| | http://linuxcounter.net/ | : :' : /`'\ | Registered Debian User #9 | `. `'` (\_;/) | http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | `- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Riduzione delle province
2012/11/1 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: In seguito all'approvazione del decreto-legge [1], il Consiglio dei Ministri ha reso definitivo il provvedimento sulla riduzione delle Province. Secondo voi, quale sarà il momento migliore per introdurre le modifiche in OSM? Assolutamente quando il decreto sarà operativo, cioè a cose definitive e operative. Da qui all'entrata in vigore cambieranno un miliardo di cose -- E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle macchine Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716) Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo. Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente) Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net , lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Riduzione delle province
Il giorno 01 novembre 2012 17:26, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2012/11/1 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: In seguito all'approvazione del decreto-legge [1], il Consiglio dei Ministri ha reso definitivo il provvedimento sulla riduzione delle Province. Secondo voi, quale sarà il momento migliore per introdurre le modifiche in OSM? Assolutamente quando il decreto sarà operativo, cioè a cose definitive e operative. Da qui all'entrata in vigore cambieranno un miliardo di cose +1 -- E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle macchine Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716) Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo. Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente) Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net , lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Riduzione delle province
In teoria dal 1° Gennaio 2014 dovrebbero essere operative, ma entro Novembre 2013 dovranno essere pronti gli statuti.. Si pone anche il problema dei comuni che cambiano provincia, non ho ancora trovato un elenco completo... Ciao, Stefano Il giorno 01 novembre 2012 17:26, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2012/11/1 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: In seguito all'approvazione del decreto-legge [1], il Consiglio dei Ministri ha reso definitivo il provvedimento sulla riduzione delle Province. Secondo voi, quale sarà il momento migliore per introdurre le modifiche in OSM? Assolutamente quando il decreto sarà operativo, cioè a cose definitive e operative. Da qui all'entrata in vigore cambieranno un miliardo di cose -- E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle macchine Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716) Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo. Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente) Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net , lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Riduzione delle province
A pensare che stavo per mettere il fantomatico tag is_in=Livorno a place=town name=Pisa :-) 2012/11/1 sabas88 saba...@gmail.com In teoria dal 1° Gennaio 2014 dovrebbero essere operative, ma entro Novembre 2013 dovranno essere pronti gli statuti.. Si pone anche il problema dei comuni che cambiano provincia, non ho ancora trovato un elenco completo... Ciao, Stefano Il giorno 01 novembre 2012 17:26, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2012/11/1 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: In seguito all'approvazione del decreto-legge [1], il Consiglio dei Ministri ha reso definitivo il provvedimento sulla riduzione delle Province. Secondo voi, quale sarà il momento migliore per introdurre le modifiche in OSM? Assolutamente quando il decreto sarà operativo, cioè a cose definitive e operative. Da qui all'entrata in vigore cambieranno un miliardo di cose -- E' assurdo impiegare gli uomini di intelligenza eccellente per fare calcoli che potrebbero essere affidati a chiunque se si usassero delle macchine Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibnitz, Filosofo e Matematico (1646-1716) Internet è la più grande biblioteca del mondo. Ma il problema è che i libri sono tutti sparsi sul pavimento John Allen Paulos, Matematico (1945-vivente) Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto, http://www.remixtj.net , lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Riduzione delle province
Quella ufficiale è quella proposta sul sito del Governo [1]... ne ho viste alcune che riportavano accorpamenti sbagliati, senza contare gli errori geografici (ad esempio più d'un sito ha messo la Valsesia in provincia di Biella, forse perché ritenevano assurda la forma della provincia di Vercelli). [1] http://www.governo.it/GovernoInforma/documenti/20121031/Italian_regions_provinces.pdf 2012/11/1 Carlo Stemberger carlo.stember...@gmail.com Qui intanto una lista dei vari accorpamenti previsti: http://www.ilsole24ore.com/**art/notizie/2012-10-31/ecco-** seguito-nuova-mappa-135124.**shtml?uuid=AbWV2lyGhttp://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/notizie/2012-10-31/ecco-seguito-nuova-mappa-135124.shtml?uuid=AbWV2lyG Ciao! Carlo -- .-. | Registered Linux User #443882| .''`. oo| | http://linuxcounter.net/ | : :' : /`'\ | Registered Debian User #9 | `. `'` (\_;/) | http://debiancounter.**altervista.org/http://debiancounter.altervista.org/| `- __**_ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-ithttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Riduzione delle province
Il 01/11/2012 17.29, sabas88 ha scritto: In teoria dal 1° Gennaio 2014 dovrebbero essere operative, ma entro Novembre 2013 dovranno essere pronti gli statuti.. Si pone anche il problema dei comuni che cambiano provincia, non ho ancora trovato un elenco completo... Ci sono addirittura provincie (attuali) che vogliono cambiare regione (per esempio Piacenza)... -- Ciao Sky One ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Riduzione delle province
Il giorno 01 novembre 2012 17:26, Luca 'remix_tj' Lorenzetto lorenzetto.l...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2012/11/1 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: In seguito all'approvazione del decreto-legge [1], il Consiglio dei Ministri ha reso definitivo il provvedimento sulla riduzione delle Province. Secondo voi, quale sarà il momento migliore per introdurre le modifiche in OSM? Assolutamente quando il decreto sarà operativo, cioè a cose definitive e operative. Da qui all'entrata in vigore cambieranno un miliardo di cose Ecco - cosa significa operativo secondo te? Trattandosi di un decreto legislativo del Consiglio dei Ministri, esso È operativo oggi stesso, per sei mesi dalla data di approvazione. Entro i sei mesi dovrò essere ratificato dal Parlamento con l'emanazione di una legge normale. Sempre che la Corte Costituzionale non accolga gli appelli e non lo renda nullo in quanto incostituzionale. Io suggerirei di far entrare le modifiche con l'eventuale emanazione della legge parlamentare. Un decreto legislativo, per quanto immediatamente efficace con forza di legge, è comunque provvisorio, e potrebbe non durare più di sei mesi. Inoltre per allora la Corte dovrebbe già essersi pronunciata. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Un distributore di benzina ha chiuso
Il giorno 01 novembre 2012 10:18, Gianmario Mengozzi gianmario.mengo...@gmail.com ha scritto: Se non ci sono più le pompe non é un distributore di benzina. Perchè semplicemente non si può cancellare il nodo? Quando riaprirà lo si rimette.. In questo modo sarebbe indistinguibile da un distributore funzionante non mappato. Dobbiamo proprio indicare che sul territorio c'è un ex distributore, che attualmente non funziona. Aggiungere il namespace disused preserva l'informazione preesistente, e da un lato mostra ai mappatori che la feature è mappata, ma non più attiva, dall'altro potrebbe essere usato da un consumatore (non credo che nessuno lo faccia adesso) per disegnare ad esempio l'iconcina in grigetto e non mostrarla nelle ricerche. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] new entry
Il 01/11/2012 10:45, Mario Pichetti ha scritto: Se si traccia con le immagini aeree quale è quella più precisa per la mia zona. Precisa... dipende da cosa tu intenda con precisa. Probabilmente accurata, che è un concetto un po' diverso: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Accuracy_and_precision_example.jpg Di base la georeferenziazione delle immagini PCN 2006 è molto molto buona. Se usi quella, come base, vai sul sicuro. Contro: foto ormai abbastanza datate, e con risoluzione spesso scarsa. Ci sono delle gerarchie da rispettare quando si traccia (prima i confini, poi le strade ecc.) No: si mappa quel che si vuole, quando si vuole, badando solo a non distruggere il lavoro altrui e cercando una certa uniformità nel modo di lavorare rispetto al resto dei dati già presenti nel database. Notte Carlo -- .-. | Registered Linux User #443882| .''`. oo| | http://linuxcounter.net/ | : :' : /`'\ | Registered Debian User #9 | `. `'` (\_;/) | http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | `- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Strade provinciali
Il 30/10/2012 20:56, Sky One ha scritto: Segnalo che, a questo punto, ci sarebbe da correggere anche https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Italian_Roads_Tagging Sistemato. Il mio intervento è stato un po' drastico: ho piallato gran parte del paragrafo, dato che mi sembra inutile ricopiare in 100 luoghi diversi le stesse cose (i link sono lì presenti per questo). Controllate ed eventualmente mettete mano ulteriormente. Notte, Carlo -- .-. | Registered Linux User #443882| .''`. oo| | http://linuxcounter.net/ | : :' : /`'\ | Registered Debian User #9 | `. `'` (\_;/) | http://debiancounter.altervista.org/ | `- ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-dk] National Cykelrute 1 - Vestkystruten er forsvundet
Nej... Ikke andet end at det er sket ved en fejl... Med venlig hilsen Michael Hammel M. +45 40 70 83 70 [cid:e2844c6b-7b9b-4c40-a0d4-3df51f046c40@company.local] Cyklistforbundet Rømersgade 5 DK-1362 København K T +45 33 32 31 21 m...@cyklistforbundet.dk www.cyklistforbundet.dkhttp://www.cyklistforbundet.dk Den 01/11/2012 kl. 15.21 skrev Emil Tin: fandt du ud af noget? Med venlig hilsen Emil Tin IT- og Processpecialist Cykelsekretariatet KØBENHAVNS KOMMUNE Teknik- og Miljøforvaltningen Center for Trafik Islands Brygge 37 Vær. 118 Postboks 450 2300 København S Telefon +45 3366 3433 Email z...@tmf.kk.dk EAN 5798009493149 Fra: Michael Hammel [mailto:m...@cyklistforbundet.dk] Sendt: 31. oktober 2012 14:02 Til: OpenStreetMap Denmark Emne: [Talk-dk] National Cykelrute 1 - Vestkystruten er forsvundet En bruger har slettet relation 162016 : Veskystruten (National Cykelrute 1) fra OSM http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11998104 Kan vi genskabe relationen, eller skal vi starte forfra på de 450km cykelrute? Med venlig hilsen Michael Hammel M. +45 40 70 83 70 image001.png Cyklistforbundet Rømersgade 5 DK-1362 København K T +45 33 32 31 21 m...@cyklistforbundet.dk www.cyklistforbundet.dkhttp://www.cyklistforbundet.dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk inline: image001.png___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] National Cykelrute 1 - Vestkystruten er forsvundet
On 31-10-2012 14:02, Michael Hammel wrote: En bruger har slettet relation 162016 : Veskystruten (National Cykelrute 1) fra OSM http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11998104 Kan vi genskabe relationen, eller skal vi starte forfra på de 450km cykelrute? Hej, Jeg prøver lige at kigge på om ikke jeg kan få genskabt relationen (og i øvrigt lade resten være) med JOSMs revert plugin. I sidste ende kan vi som Emil Tin nævner genskabe det lidt mere manuelt ved at bruge den gamle version på en eller anden snedig måde. -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-se] Ny träff i Lund
johanemilsson här. Jag har inte möjlighet att närvara den här helgen, men jag ser framemot liknande initiativ i framtiden. /Johan 2012/10/31 Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org Du får försöka kontakta Essin, rycee och johanemilsson. Tror däremot inte tothod orkar köra ner en gång till från Gbg. ;) /Joakim On 31 okt 2012, at 08:07, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Jag vill gärna höra lite fler röster, för att se om det är värt att flytta på det till lördagen eller inte. Om det bara är jag, Joakim, Philip och Britta tycker jag gott att vi kan ta det på lördagen trots allt. Tänk dock på att Systembolaget inte är öppet alls på lördag! /Andreas 2012/10/30 Philip Olsson ols...@puffy.nu: Hej, Nej, det ser dåligt ut, möjligtvis så kanske jag kan vrida till så att jag kan dyka upp vid 22... Men det känns i senaste laget. / Philip 29 okt 2012 kl. 21:36 skrev Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com: Du kan absolut inte fredagen? 2012/10/29 Philip Olsson ols...@puffy.nu: Hej, Jag kan Lördag, både dag och kväll. / Philip 29 okt 2012 kl. 20:46 skrev Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Hepp hopp! Efter att ha tinat upp lite efter diverse äventyr ute bland nybyggandet i Hyllie så började jag fundera på vilket datum jag ska skriva in i kalendern och var vi slutligen ska träffas?! Lunds kommuns lokaler i västra stationen? BYOB+F (Bring Your Own Beer + Food)? Datum? /Joakim On 5 okt 2012, at 12:47, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Hej! Jag missade ju förra träffen i Lund, så jag tänkte att vi kunde ha en ny. Jag pratade lite med Britta Duve Hansen som är den som sett till att vi kan jobba med Lunds kommuns ortofoto i OSM. Hon ville också träffa lite osm:are och även berätta om hur det är att bearbeta kommuner och liknande för att få dem att bli samarbetsvilliga för vårt syfte :) Vi tänkte att allhelgonahelgen hade varit bra. Det är en av få lediga helger för min del, eftersom jag jobbar natt måndag-lördag och ibland även söndag. Mitt förslag är alltså att vi ses 2 eller 3 november, förslagsvis på samma ställe som förra gången (Glorias? hur var ljudnivån där?) Hänger ni på? MVH Andreas ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] Ny träff i Lund
Ping pong, några uppdateringar? :) /Joakim On 31 okt 2012, at 08:07, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Jag vill gärna höra lite fler röster, för att se om det är värt att flytta på det till lördagen eller inte. Om det bara är jag, Joakim, Philip och Britta tycker jag gott att vi kan ta det på lördagen trots allt. Tänk dock på att Systembolaget inte är öppet alls på lördag! /Andreas 2012/10/30 Philip Olsson ols...@puffy.nu: Hej, Nej, det ser dåligt ut, möjligtvis så kanske jag kan vrida till så att jag kan dyka upp vid 22... Men det känns i senaste laget. / Philip 29 okt 2012 kl. 21:36 skrev Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com: Du kan absolut inte fredagen? 2012/10/29 Philip Olsson ols...@puffy.nu: Hej, Jag kan Lördag, både dag och kväll. / Philip 29 okt 2012 kl. 20:46 skrev Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Hepp hopp! Efter att ha tinat upp lite efter diverse äventyr ute bland nybyggandet i Hyllie så började jag fundera på vilket datum jag ska skriva in i kalendern och var vi slutligen ska träffas?! Lunds kommuns lokaler i västra stationen? BYOB+F (Bring Your Own Beer + Food)? Datum? /Joakim On 5 okt 2012, at 12:47, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Hej! Jag missade ju förra träffen i Lund, så jag tänkte att vi kunde ha en ny. Jag pratade lite med Britta Duve Hansen som är den som sett till att vi kan jobba med Lunds kommuns ortofoto i OSM. Hon ville också träffa lite osm:are och även berätta om hur det är att bearbeta kommuner och liknande för att få dem att bli samarbetsvilliga för vårt syfte :) Vi tänkte att allhelgonahelgen hade varit bra. Det är en av få lediga helger för min del, eftersom jag jobbar natt måndag-lördag och ibland även söndag. Mitt förslag är alltså att vi ses 2 eller 3 november, förslagsvis på samma ställe som förra gången (Glorias? hur var ljudnivån där?) Hänger ni på? MVH Andreas ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] Ny träff i Lund
Ja, det är ju dags snart... Britta har inte hört av sig men jag ska kontakta henne i morgon och se till så att det blir av. Ska försöka få tag i henne innan 15 och skickar en statusuppdatering här om vi kör på på fredagen, annars får vi ta lördagen. /Andreas 2012/11/1 Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Ping pong, några uppdateringar? :) /Joakim On 31 okt 2012, at 08:07, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Jag vill gärna höra lite fler röster, för att se om det är värt att flytta på det till lördagen eller inte. Om det bara är jag, Joakim, Philip och Britta tycker jag gott att vi kan ta det på lördagen trots allt. Tänk dock på att Systembolaget inte är öppet alls på lördag! /Andreas 2012/10/30 Philip Olsson ols...@puffy.nu: Hej, Nej, det ser dåligt ut, möjligtvis så kanske jag kan vrida till så att jag kan dyka upp vid 22... Men det känns i senaste laget. / Philip 29 okt 2012 kl. 21:36 skrev Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com: Du kan absolut inte fredagen? 2012/10/29 Philip Olsson ols...@puffy.nu: Hej, Jag kan Lördag, både dag och kväll. / Philip 29 okt 2012 kl. 20:46 skrev Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Hepp hopp! Efter att ha tinat upp lite efter diverse äventyr ute bland nybyggandet i Hyllie så började jag fundera på vilket datum jag ska skriva in i kalendern och var vi slutligen ska träffas?! Lunds kommuns lokaler i västra stationen? BYOB+F (Bring Your Own Beer + Food)? Datum? /Joakim On 5 okt 2012, at 12:47, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Hej! Jag missade ju förra träffen i Lund, så jag tänkte att vi kunde ha en ny. Jag pratade lite med Britta Duve Hansen som är den som sett till att vi kan jobba med Lunds kommuns ortofoto i OSM. Hon ville också träffa lite osm:are och även berätta om hur det är att bearbeta kommuner och liknande för att få dem att bli samarbetsvilliga för vårt syfte :) Vi tänkte att allhelgonahelgen hade varit bra. Det är en av få lediga helger för min del, eftersom jag jobbar natt måndag-lördag och ibland även söndag. Mitt förslag är alltså att vi ses 2 eller 3 november, förslagsvis på samma ställe som förra gången (Glorias? hur var ljudnivån där?) Hänger ni på? MVH Andreas ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-se] Ny träff i Lund
Går ju även att sitta på Glorias på fredag om du inte får tag i Britta. Lite ändrade planer har gjort att fredag skulle passa bättre för mig nu också. :) /Joakim - Original message - Ja, det är ju dags snart... Britta har inte hört av sig men jag ska kontakta henne i morgon och se till så att det blir av. Ska försöka få tag i henne innan 15 och skickar en statusuppdatering här om vi kör på på fredagen, annars får vi ta lördagen. /Andreas 2012/11/1 Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Ping pong, några uppdateringar? :) /Joakim On 31 okt 2012, at 08:07, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Jag vill gärna höra lite fler röster, för att se om det är värt att flytta på det till lördagen eller inte. Om det bara är jag, Joakim, Philip och Britta tycker jag gott att vi kan ta det på lördagen trots allt. Tänk dock på att Systembolaget inte är öppet alls på lördag! /Andreas 2012/10/30 Philip Olsson ols...@puffy.nu: Hej, Nej, det ser dåligt ut, möjligtvis så kanske jag kan vrida till så att jag kan dyka upp vid 22... Men det känns i senaste laget. / Philip 29 okt 2012 kl. 21:36 skrev Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com: Du kan absolut inte fredagen? 2012/10/29 Philip Olsson ols...@puffy.nu: Hej, Jag kan Lördag, både dag och kväll. / Philip 29 okt 2012 kl. 20:46 skrev Joakim Fors joa...@joakimfors.org: Hepp hopp! Efter att ha tinat upp lite efter diverse äventyr ute bland nybyggandet i Hyllie så började jag fundera på vilket datum jag ska skriva in i kalendern och var vi slutligen ska träffas?! Lunds kommuns lokaler i västra stationen? BYOB+F (Bring Your Own Beer + Food)? Datum? /Joakim On 5 okt 2012, at 12:47, Andreas Vilén andreas.vi...@gmail.com wrote: Hej! Jag missade ju förra träffen i Lund, så jag tänkte att vi kunde ha en ny. Jag pratade lite med Britta Duve Hansen som är den som sett till att vi kan jobba med Lunds kommuns ortofoto i OSM. Hon ville också träffa lite osm:are och även berätta om hur det är att bearbeta kommuner och liknande för att få dem att bli samarbetsvilliga för vårt syfte :) Vi tänkte att allhelgonahelgen hade varit bra. Det är en av få lediga helger för min del, eftersom jag jobbar natt måndag-lördag och ibland även söndag. Mitt förslag är alltså att vi ses 2 eller 3 november, förslagsvis på samma ställe som förra gången (Glorias? hur var ljudnivån där?) Hänger ni på? MVH Andreas ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-ro] Corecții și consecvență în ref și int_ref
În data de 1 noiembrie 2012, 00:05, Michael Häckel michael.haec...@web.de a scris: Am Dienstag, 30. Oktober 2012, 22:26:06 schrieb Eddy Petrișor: Greu nu e, dar mi-am dat seama că nu trebuie să fiu singurul om capabil să opereze aplicația și ar trebui să deconectez anumite date de cod. Idea e că acum poate se poate face repede, dar nu se știe dacă va fi la fel de ușor în alte situații. (Să fiu sincer, idea asta am avut-o mai demult, dar acum am implmentat o variantă mai puțin flexibilă decât cea la care mă gândisem prin 2010.) Bine. Și ce facem cu alte cuvinte? Edităm manual cum Strainu a propus? E mult de lucru. De exemplu România are 313 de Scoala dar doar 338 de Școala. Evident că nu edităm manual :-) , asta dacă nu vrei să-ți irosești timpul cu ceva ce va fi corectat semi-automat ulterior. Înțeleg dorința de a corecta cât mai repede, dar au fost atâta timp incorecte, cred că nu-i un lucru rău să luăm lucrurile pe îndelete și să le implementăm corect, să nu fie nevoie să corectăm ulterior ce-am putea greși acum, dacă ne grăbim. (Scuze că durează prea mult, ca și voi, fac chestia asta în timpul liber, timp care uneori nu-i așa de mult pe cât aș vrea.) Aici sunt niște cuvinte am găsit: Saua - Șaua Constanta - Constanța Timisoara - Timișoara Timis - Timiș Pitesti - Pitești Hateg - Hațeg Galati - Galați Kogalniceanu - Kogălniceanu M. Kogalniceanu - Mihail Kogălniceanu Mircea cel Batran - Mircea cel Bătrân Sfanta - Sfânta Agentia - Agenția Directia - Direcția Politie - nu e clar: Politie sau Poliție Politia - Poliția Scoala - Școala Scoala Generala - Școala Generală Judetean - Județean judetean - județean Judetul - Județul National - Național (doar în name și în alt_name dar nu în name:de sau în name:en) si - și Am să adaug cuvintele ăstea în cele care trebuie corectate. -- Regards, EddyP = The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition. - Carl Sagan ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro
[Talk-ro] Cum fac sa pot sa deschid osm.pbf in Qgis ?
http://osm.stilpu.org/daily-odbl/ functioneaza iarasi perfect, iar pentru acesta doresc sa le multumesc celor care se ocupa de el, si ofera acest lucru frumos. Dar eu am o intrebare mai de noob. Cum fac din osm.pbf un format acceptabil ca sa il incerc in Qgis, sa pot sa ma joc cu datele. As folosi direct extrasul shp de la geofabrik, dar acela nu este complet, lipsesc POi-uri, iar din mailul pe care l-am dat au zis ca pt extrasul complet trebuie sa platesc. Ceea ce nu ma avantajeaza, eu vreau doar sa ma joc cu datele, sa mai fac niste statistici, cati kilometrii au fost adaugati intr-o luna de zile, niste reprezentari vizuale,etc :) ___ Talk-ro mailing list Talk-ro@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ro
Re: [Talk-ca] Bing Map of Guelph, Ontario is poor
On 01-11-12 03:46 , Paul Norman wrote: I have no idea when Bing would be updating their imagery but if someone can get imagery from some level of government under a suitable license I (or someone else) can host it. The recent (2006, 2010) flights initiated by the provincial MNR and local consortia are under a rather restrictive licence. They are also no longer supplied at cost recovery, and now cost $50/sq km. I think Guelph might be just outside the USGS Orthophoto range, which is a shame. The USGS images have helped me with a lot of mapping near the Great Lakes. cheers, Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bing Map of Guelph, Ontario is poor
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Of course someone could always purchase imagery, but that can get pricey. And you could still be out of luck due to restrictions in the license of the photography as well. -- James VE6SRV ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Bing Map of Guelph, Ontario is poor
For those not familiar with the Guelph aerial images, it seems they were much better before the recent Bing imagery update. Now with the new imagery, the entire city area is covered in snow and ice so it is very hard to see any details. Maybe the previous imagery was old, but at least you could identify features, trees, roads etc, now the imagery is almost useless. I guess it's not possible to see the older Bing imagery? On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:29 AM, James Ewen ve6...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Of course someone could always purchase imagery, but that can get pricey. And you could still be out of luck due to restrictions in the license of the photography as well. -- James VE6SRV ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-cz] dotaz na aktualizace MTB mapy
Chtěl jsem se zeptat jak často se aktualizuje MTB mapa na adrese http://tchor.fi.muni.cz:8080/ asi před měsícem jsem doplňoval turistické značení v okolí Letohradu a to se doposud na MTB mapě neprojevilo Děkuji Pražák ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] dotaz na aktualizace MTB mapy
Ahoj, Chtěl jsem se zeptat jak často se aktualizuje MTB mapa na adrese http://tchor.fi.muni.cz:8080/ asi před měsícem jsem doplňoval turistické značení v okolí Letohradu a to se doposud na MTB mapě neprojevilo posledni aktualizace je vzdy uvedena na v boxu dole vlevo - takze posledni byla 2012-10-16. Normalni stav jsou aktualizace minimalne jednou tydne. V soucasne dobe mame rozbite renderovani po upgradu systemu, takze to nejak postupne spravujeme, ale ma to ponekud nizsi prioritu a zatim jedeme z tile cache. Petr ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles données RATP
Le 01/11/2012 01:00, Sylvain Maillard a écrit : c'est marrant, ça ressemble à une grosse blague leur fichier de coordonnées des stations ! Du petit nombre de données publiques que j'ai pu tester, il ressort quand même largement une fiabilité et une précision *très* relatives. Un très gros travail de validation s'impose avant leur intégration. Et ce travail peut au final être équivalent en temps à une reconnaissance directe sur le terrain. Néanmoins ces données publiques ont un intérêt en ce qu'elles peuvent apporter, outre l'aspect purement géographique qui nous intéresse ici, des données complémentaires, telles que celles données par La Poste (mais, là aussi, fiabilisation indispensable). Non, l'OpenData n'est ni une panacée ni une fin. Tout juste un embryon de commencement de début. Les contributeurs ont encore de longues journées devant eux :) - Grâce à l'intégration dans OSM, les données publiques vont devenir enfin fiables ! Yeah ! -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles données RATP
Il va y avoir du travail d'intégration et de conflation. De quoi faire un WikiProject que je veux bien coordonner vu les contacts déjà établis à la RATP. Le 1 novembre 2012 07:47, Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net a écrit : Le 01/11/2012 01:00, Sylvain Maillard a écrit : c'est marrant, ça ressemble à une grosse blague leur fichier de coordonnées des stations ! Du petit nombre de données publiques que j'ai pu tester, il ressort quand même largement une fiabilité et une précision *très* relatives. Un très gros travail de validation s'impose avant leur intégration. Et ce travail peut au final être équivalent en temps à une reconnaissance directe sur le terrain. Néanmoins ces données publiques ont un intérêt en ce qu'elles peuvent apporter, outre l'aspect purement géographique qui nous intéresse ici, des données complémentaires, telles que celles données par La Poste (mais, là aussi, fiabilisation indispensable). Non, l'OpenData n'est ni une panacée ni une fin. Tout juste un embryon de commencement de début. Les contributeurs ont encore de longues journées devant eux :) - Grâce à l'intégration dans OSM, les données publiques vont devenir enfin fiables ! Yeah ! -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] PlaceMaker Bureaux de poste : quelques évolutions
Le 31/10/2012 14:10, Romain MEHUT a écrit : Les données http://www.data.gouv.fr/donnees/view/Liste-des-points-de-contact-du-r%C3%A9seau-postal-fran%C3%A7ais-551640?xtmc=r%C3%A9seau+postalxtcr=1 de La Poste ont été mises à jour avec les horaires d'ouverture et l'accessibilité. Mise à jour effectué dans Osmose. http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/map/?item=7050,8020,8021level=1,2,3 Ça prend en compte la qualité du géocodage de La Poste et le tag wheelchair. Frédéric. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] [Appel][Modification plan de circulation][Caen][FR-14] Appel à contributions
Bonjour Sur Caen (FR-14) deux grandes modifications des plans de circulation ont ou auront lieu très prochainement Place Saint Sauveur : http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.182769lon=-0.368016zoom=18layers=M et les Rives de l'Orne : http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.178242lon=-0.349943zoom=18layers=M Si des contributeurs peuvent mettre à jours les données dans ces environs : Just do it -- Cordialement David Crochet http://fr.wikiversity.org : Communauté pédagogique libre à laquelle chacun peut prendre part ! http://www.wikimedia.fr : Aidons la diffusion de la connaissance libre ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [Tag] Associations
Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com wrote: C'est pas la première fois que je suis confronté au problème : indiquer le local d'une association. J'ai peut être mal cherché, mais y'a pleins de trucs pour les magasins et boutiques mais à priori rien concernant les associations. Cela rejoint au message lu ici même il y a quelques semaines autour d'un fablab... Si cela n'a jamais été envisagé (mais je pense que je cherche mal) il serait peut être temps de réfléchir sérieusement a comment tagger ce qui tourne autour du monde associatif (c'est après tout aussi important et public qu'une boutique privée). Je me répond à moi-même. J'ai trouvé ce qui existe à priori de plus proche, c'est la tag office qui indique des bureaux. On dispose officiellement (wiki) : office=ngo (organisation non gouvernementale mais c'est pour des gros trucs, genre Croix Rouge). A l'usage taginfo indique aussi (y'en a seulement 10 pour tout OSM, donc c'est très confidentiel) office=association et office=club suivant les cas. Ce tag office, permet de spécificier des bureaux mais ça ne recouvre pas tout les exemples que j'avais en tête, mais ça aide. L'exemple le plus complet : node id=1648784371 lat=51.9685635 lon=7.6059032 version=1 timestamp=2012-02-26T15:59:37Z changeset=10799826 uid=59724 user=dgromer tag k=addr:city v=Münster/ tag k=addr:country v=DE/ tag k=addr:housenumber v=60/ tag k=addr:postcode v=48149/ tag k=addr:street v=Wilhelmstraße/ tag k=contact:website v=http://www.trifinish.de// tag k=name v=Tri Finish Münster e.V./ tag k=office v=association/ /node -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles données RATP
quand j'ai parlé de grosse blague pour leur fichier de coordonnées des stations, c'est parce qu'il s'agit des coordonnées en pixels sur leur plan ! donc totalement inutilisable dans le monde réel ... Mais je suis parfaitement d'accord que la dessus on peut faire des choses vraiment super avec OSM, pourquoi pas même proposer directement des jeux de données corrigé ? Sylvain Le 1 novembre 2012 08:50, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : Il va y avoir du travail d'intégration et de conflation. De quoi faire un WikiProject que je veux bien coordonner vu les contacts déjà établis à la RATP. Le 1 novembre 2012 07:47, Jean-Francois Nifenecker jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net a écrit : Le 01/11/2012 01:00, Sylvain Maillard a écrit : c'est marrant, ça ressemble à une grosse blague leur fichier de coordonnées des stations ! Du petit nombre de données publiques que j'ai pu tester, il ressort quand même largement une fiabilité et une précision *très* relatives. Un très gros travail de validation s'impose avant leur intégration. Et ce travail peut au final être équivalent en temps à une reconnaissance directe sur le terrain. Néanmoins ces données publiques ont un intérêt en ce qu'elles peuvent apporter, outre l'aspect purement géographique qui nous intéresse ici, des données complémentaires, telles que celles données par La Poste (mais, là aussi, fiabilisation indispensable). Non, l'OpenData n'est ni une panacée ni une fin. Tout juste un embryon de commencement de début. Les contributeurs ont encore de longues journées devant eux :) - Grâce à l'intégration dans OSM, les données publiques vont devenir enfin fiables ! Yeah ! -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [Tag] Associations
2012/11/1 Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com: Je me répond à moi-même. J'ai trouvé ce qui existe à priori de plus proche, c'est la tag office qui indique des bureaux. On dispose officiellement (wiki) : office=ngo (organisation non gouvernementale mais c'est pour des gros trucs, genre Croix Rouge). Il y a aussi npo (non profit organization) Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles données RATP
Le 01/11/2012 11:53, Sylvain Maillard a écrit : quand j'ai parlé de grosse blague pour leur fichier de coordonnées des stations, c'est parce qu'il s'agit des coordonnées en pixels sur leur plan ! donc totalement inutilisable dans le monde réel ... On peut s'en tirer en géo-référencent le plan, si c'est faisable. Mais des coordonnées en pixel sur un plan c'est à la limite du foutage de gueules. Mais je suis parfaitement d'accord que la dessus on peut faire des choses vraiment super avec OSM, pourquoi pas même proposer directement des jeux de données corrigé ? C'est déjà ce que j'ai commencé à faire avec Osmose, qui exporte pour les données proposées à l'intégration dans Osmose des fichiers OpenData by OSM. http://osm7.openstreetmap.fr/~osmose/results/ Il faudrait faire un joli site pour mettre ça en valeur. Frédéric. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles données RATP
2012/11/1 Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com: On peut s'en tirer en géo-référencent le plan, si c'est faisable. Mais des coordonnées en pixel sur un plan c'est à la limite du foutage de gueules. Le fichier csv que j'ai ouvert avait l'air correct (coordonnées WGS84). Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles données RATP
Le 01/11/2012 12:42, Pieren a écrit : 2012/11/1 Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com: On peut s'en tirer en géo-référencent le plan, si c'est faisable. Mais des coordonnées en pixel sur un plan c'est à la limite du foutage de gueules. Le fichier csv que j'ai ouvert avait l'air correct (coordonnées WGS84). Il y a effectivement deux fichiers différents. Je vais intégrer ça à osmose. Frédéric. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles données RATP
ah oui exact, il y a 2 fichiers ... 1 avec les coordonnées réelles, et 1 avec les coordonnées en pixels sur le plan ... je n'avais vu que celui avec les coordonnées en pixels :( Le 1 novembre 2012 12:48, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 01/11/2012 12:42, Pieren a écrit : 2012/11/1 Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com: On peut s'en tirer en géo-référencent le plan, si c'est faisable. Mais des coordonnées en pixel sur un plan c'est à la limite du foutage de gueules. Le fichier csv que j'ai ouvert avait l'air correct (coordonnées WGS84). Il y a effectivement deux fichiers différents. Je vais intégrer ça à osmose. Frédéric. __**_ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-frhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [Appel][Modification plan de circulation][Caen][FR-14] Appel à contributions
Bonjour, Pour les Rives de L'Orne, c'est en cours : j'ai supprimé les sens uniques et précisé le nombre de voies. Il ne me reste qu'à peaufiner la forme du rond-point au croisement du quai Hamelin, du pont Stirn et du cours Montalivet. Pour la place Saint-Sauveur, j'attendais que les ouvriers aient complètement dégagé la place : les travaux n'ayant été terminés qu'en début de semaine (et inauguration le 24/11, pour ceux qui sont dans le coin). Dans les 2 cas, je pense que j'aurai fini de tagguer ça d'ici la fin de la semaine. Je profite de ce mail pour lancer un ballon d'essai : y a-t-il des Caennais intéressés pour qu'on s'organise une cartopartie ? Francescu Le 1 novembre 2012 10:12, David Crochet david.croc...@online.fr a écrit : Bonjour Sur Caen (FR-14) deux grandes modifications des plans de circulation ont ou auront lieu très prochainement Place Saint Sauveur : http://www.openstreetmap.org/?**lat=49.182769lon=-0.368016** zoom=18layers=Mhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.182769lon=-0.368016zoom=18layers=M et les Rives de l'Orne : http://www.openstreetmap.org/?**lat=49.178242lon=-0.349943** zoom=18layers=Mhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.178242lon=-0.349943zoom=18layers=M Si des contributeurs peuvent mettre à jours les données dans ces environs : Just do it -- Cordialement David Crochet http://fr.wikiversity.org : Communauté pédagogique libre à laquelle chacun peut prendre part ! http://www.wikimedia.fr : Aidons la diffusion de la connaissance libre __**_ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-frhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Cordialement, Francescu GAROBY ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [forum-osm-fr] Volontaire Eurosha en quête de tuteur!
Bonjour, Je me suis proposé. A+ Marc Le 31 octobre 2012 16:55, fo...@letuffe.org a écrit : Le message suivant de Marine Kenya: ## Bonjour à tous, je m'appelle Marine et fais partie des 26 volontaires européens du projet pilote EUROSHA, pour ma part déployée au Kenya avec 5 de mes camarades. EUROSHA, comme Christian et Séverin l'ont déjà expliqué dans l'appel à tuteurs envoyé par mail, est un projet pilote visant à développer, dans 4 pays pilote en Afrique, le partage d'informations dans le champ humanitaire et à créer/renforcer les communautés locales de mapping, dans une optique de prévention des crises. En plus concret, on rend accessible des infos collectées par nous-même ou auprès d'ONG, d'autorités locales, d'agences des UN, etc. pour les rendre accessibles au cas où une crise humanitaire se déclenche. Typiquement: là, se trouve un hôpital avec X lits disponibles; ici, se trouve une voie d'accès secondaire qui permettra à l'aide humanitaire de contourner une route inondée; dans cette zone interviennent déjà telle et telle ONG, etc. En tant que volontaire EUROSHA, moi et mes collègues avons suivi une formation de 4 jours avec le staff de HOT juste avant notre déploiement (il y a maintenant bientôt 3 semaines). Depuis notre arrivée au Kenya nous avons passé la plupart de notre temps à présenter le projet et notre mission à diverses entités internationales, nationales et locales. Nous sommes maintenant avides de pouvoir commencer le travail de terrain! D'un point de vue plus personnel, j'ai 25 ans, une formation Sciences po finalisée par un master en Action humanitaire et solidarité internationale (avec stage de 6 mois en Tanzanie), puis un second master en gestion de projets culturels internationaux qui m'a amenée à travailler pendant 2 an et demi pour l'ONG Bibliothèques Sans Frontières à Paris. Jusqu'à ce que j'intègre le palpitant projet EUROSHA pour avoir une nouvelle expérience de terrain mais aussi développer des compétences en matière de NTIC appliquées au champ humanitaire! Je suis impatiente de pouvoir échanger davantage avec la communauté OSM, merci par avance à celui ou celle qui voudra bien être mon tuteur pour les 6 prochains mois! a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=10 Une réponse par mail sur l'adresse d'expédition n'arrivera nulle part Une réponse à la liste ne sera pas transmise au forum, ce qui n'empêche pas une concertation sur la liste avant de recopier la/les meilleurs réponses sur le forum. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour répondre. -- Les questions sur ce robot de transfert forum-liste peuvent être posées à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM meetups in Paris next month?
If it makes anyone feel any better, I'm also scared (and embarrassed!) by my French skills!! I can sort of read signs, but that's about it :( I'll be staying in Montmatre, but in general I'm pretty comfortable with public transit, so I can go wherever the metro will take me. Thanks for your response! Kathleen On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kathleen, I forwarded your request to some known participants in Paris meet-ups. But they are perhaps impressed (or scared) by your French speaking skills ;-) For those who are not, the date should be between Nov 13-17 . Enjoy your trip to Paris, Pieren On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Bonjour! [Very rough Google translation to French below] Sorry to burst into the conversation here (and especially sorry to do so in English!), but I organize the Geo DC meetups in Washington, DC. I am going to be in Paris for vacation on Nov 13-17 and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize? I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. I was wondering if there were any OSM meetups or mapping parties planned in Paris during that time. If not, would any OSM enthusiasts be interested in getting a drink in Paris and talking about maps? Thanks, Kathleen ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM meetups in Paris next month?
Perhaps we could gather in honor of World GIS Day? http://www.gisday.com/index.html On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: If it makes anyone feel any better, I'm also scared (and embarrassed!) by my French skills!! I can sort of read signs, but that's about it :( I'll be staying in Montmatre, but in general I'm pretty comfortable with public transit, so I can go wherever the metro will take me. Thanks for your response! Kathleen On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kathleen, I forwarded your request to some known participants in Paris meet-ups. But they are perhaps impressed (or scared) by your French speaking skills ;-) For those who are not, the date should be between Nov 13-17 . Enjoy your trip to Paris, Pieren On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Bonjour! [Very rough Google translation to French below] Sorry to burst into the conversation here (and especially sorry to do so in English!), but I organize the Geo DC meetups in Washington, DC. I am going to be in Paris for vacation on Nov 13-17 and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize? I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. I was wondering if there were any OSM meetups or mapping parties planned in Paris during that time. If not, would any OSM enthusiasts be interested in getting a drink in Paris and talking about maps? Thanks, Kathleen ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Présentation d'OSM aux rencontres de l'Heureux Cyclage
Bonsoir, En préparation de mon intervention de demain, je suis tombé sur cet article fraichement paru: http://www.cyclestreets.net/blog/2012/10/30/london-cyclist-feature/ Un bel exemple d'application! Romain Le 31 octobre 2012 09:28, Romain MEHUT romain.me...@gmail.com a écrit : Bonjour, Je vous informe que j'animerai, le 2 novembre, un atelierhttp://www.heureux-cyclage.org/les-cinquiemes-rencontres-de-l.htmlOSM lors des rencontres du Réseau L' Heureux Cyclage au sein de l'Atelier Dynamo à Nancy. C'est ouvert à tout le monde... On m'a demandé de faire une présentation montrant l'utilité d'OSM pour les différents ateliers associatifs de réparation de cycles. J'ai prévu de parler aménagements cyclables notamment sur la base de cette présentationhttp://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0CCAQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fubicy.org%2Fnantes%2Fpav%2Frubrique-present%2Fcomptes%2520rendus%2520AG%2F2010%2Fdiapo%2520cartographie%2520Damiano.pdfei=k-CQUOTZJ47P0AXNg4GAAgusg=AFQjCNEx-SvVIAF5sSVOD5gYxAVmWQ1f_wsig2=WF9vgKrt2Oh2TAhXfdLpqg... mais si vous avez d'autres idées je suis preneur! Romain ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Nouvelles données RATP
Le 1 novembre 2012 11:53, Sylvain Maillard sylvain.maill...@gmail.com a écrit : quand j'ai parlé de grosse blague pour leur fichier de coordonnées des stations, c'est parce qu'il s'agit des coordonnées en pixels sur leur plan ! donc totalement inutilisable dans le monde réel ... Mais je suis parfaitement d'accord que la dessus on peut faire des choses vraiment super avec OSM, pourquoi pas même proposer directement des jeux de données corrigé ? C'est ce que j'ai fait avec les stations de métro et de tram, corrigé sur le positionnement mis aussi avec les noms harmonisés car c'était pas vraiment ça ! Voir: http://openstreetmap.fr/blogs/cquest/stations-ratp Je n'ai pas encore terminé ce travail d'harmonisation pour les stations RER. Pour les bus, il y a les lignes qu'il va falloir recréer. Autre point intéressant c'est qu'on a l'adresse en principe la plus proche de l'arrêt de bus et donc possibilité de faire des croisements de contrôle aussi là dessus... -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM meetups in Paris next month?
That's a good idea ! So, next Paris meeting on November 14th starting at 7PM as usual ? -- C'est une bonne idée ! Donc, prochaine rencontre parisienne le 14 novembre à partir de 19h comme d'habitude ? 2012/11/1 Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com: Perhaps we could gather in honor of World GIS Day? http://www.gisday.com/index.html On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: If it makes anyone feel any better, I'm also scared (and embarrassed!) by my French skills!! I can sort of read signs, but that's about it :( I'll be staying in Montmatre, but in general I'm pretty comfortable with public transit, so I can go wherever the metro will take me. Thanks for your response! Kathleen On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kathleen, I forwarded your request to some known participants in Paris meet-ups. But they are perhaps impressed (or scared) by your French speaking skills ;-) For those who are not, the date should be between Nov 13-17 . Enjoy your trip to Paris, Pieren On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Bonjour! [Very rough Google translation to French below] Sorry to burst into the conversation here (and especially sorry to do so in English!), but I organize the Geo DC meetups in Washington, DC. I am going to be in Paris for vacation on Nov 13-17 and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize? I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. I was wondering if there were any OSM meetups or mapping parties planned in Paris during that time. If not, would any OSM enthusiasts be interested in getting a drink in Paris and talking about maps? Thanks, Kathleen ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France - http://openstreetmap.fr/u/cquest ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM meetups in Paris next month?
Le 01/11/2012 23:46, Christian Quest a écrit : That's a good idea ! So, next Paris meeting on November 14th starting at 7PM as usual ? -- C'est une bonne idée ! Donc, prochaine rencontre parisienne le 14 novembre à partir de 19h comme d'habitude ? 2012/11/1 Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com: Perhaps we could gather in honor of World GIS Day? http://www.gisday.com/index.html On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: If it makes anyone feel any better, I'm also scared (and embarrassed!) by my French skills!! I can sort of read signs, but that's about it :( I'll be staying in Montmatre, but in general I'm pretty comfortable with public transit, so I can go wherever the metro will take me. Thanks for your response! Kathleen On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kathleen, I forwarded your request to some known participants in Paris meet-ups. But they are perhaps impressed (or scared) by your French speaking skills ;-) For those who are not, the date should be between Nov 13-17 . Enjoy your trip to Paris, Pieren On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: Bonjour! [Very rough Google translation to French below] Sorry to burst into the conversation here (and especially sorry to do so in English!), but I organize the Geo DC meetups in Washington, DC. I am going to be in Paris for vacation on Nov 13-17 and I was wondering if those dates might overlap with any chances to socialize? I'm very new to OSM, but I just attended State of the Map US a few weeks ago, and I'm excited to learn more and meet more of this really interesting community. I was wondering if there were any OSM meetups or mapping parties planned in Paris during that time. If not, would any OSM enthusiasts be interested in getting a drink in Paris and talking about maps? Thanks, Kathleen ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr C'est un mercredi et ça c'est bon pour moi. A+ -- Marc Sibert mailto:m...@sibert.fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
