Re: [Talk-hr] Nazivi osm-hr servera

2014-12-04 Per discussione Janko Mihelić
Vlejd, hvala na toj priči! Stari Hrvati (Slaveni?) su imali stvarno sjajne
legende, trebale bi se pretvoriti u nekakav crtić kako bi nam ušli u
kolektivnu svijest. Morat ću malo prošvrljati po toj strani Wikipedije.

Jel taj put po Učkoj mapiran? Moščenička Draga i Perun su tu, ali ne vidim
jel ucrtan i označen taj put:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/45.2426/14.2361

Dana 3. prosinca 2014. u 13:51 Vlejd wlade...@gmail.com je napisao/la:

 Ako je tradicija da se nazivaju po zmajevima, nije baš da se nemamo na što
 pozvati - imena za ove servere se mogu iskopati iz slavenske mitologije
 http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavenska_mitologija.

 Slavenska mitologija je stara tisućama godina i u brojnim verzijama se
 slični motivi i priče pojavljuju od Balkana preko istočne Europe do Baltika
 i ruskih teritorija. Budući da su se legende prenosile usmenim putem,
 izobličavale su se i mijenjale između različitih slavenskih plemena. No
 dijelovi starih mitoloških uvjerenja i poganskih festivala žive i dan danas
 u toponimima, običajima, pjesmama i pričama svih slavenskih naroda.

 Među njima postoji i priča o *Perunu* i *Velesu*.

 Postoje razne verzije, ali zajednička crta im je da simboliziraju izmjenu
 dana i noći, a usput im se pridaju brojne druge karakteristike.

 Perun je gospodar neba, planina, gromova - pa se naziva i gromovnik (poput
 Thora, Zeusa...).

 Veles je gospodar nizina, podzemlja, vode... Jedan od simbola Velesa je
 zmaj (muško za zmiju, zemlja kao korijen riječi).

 Njih dvojica su u vječnoj borbi, a po jednoj teoriji imaju istu ženu -
 Sunce - koja je malo s jednim, a malo s drugim: zalazak Sunca iza obzora se
 tumači kao da ulazi u podzemlje gdje provodi vrijeme s Velesom do jutra kad
 se ponovno vraća Perunu.

 Ima tu još zgodnih pričica koje pokušavaju objasniti prirodne pojave. Veles
 krade vodu (suša), a Perun ga gađa munjama (oluja) pa kad ga porazi padne
 kiša... Imaju razne potomke koji simboliziraju izmjenu godišnjih doba
 (Jarilo - proljeće, Morana - zima...).

 S obzirom na brojnost slavenskih plemena, brojni su i panteoni, miješaju se
 imena božanstava kao i njihova simbolika. Pravi košmar :)
 Svi oni su napušteni dolaskom kršćanstva, ali su brojni toponimi ostali, a
 običaji su preneseni i prenijeti na kršćanske svece.

 Među brojima drugim božanstvima bi za treći prijedlog uz Peruna i Velesa
 predložio ime Svetovida (aka Svantevid). O njemu se nagađa svašta, ali
 zajednička crta raznim teorijama je da ima 4 glave kojima gleda na 4 strane
 svijeta.

 Dakle, imali bi povezanost s tradicijom da se serveri nazivaju po
 zmajevima. To bi bio *Veles* čiji je parnjak *Perun*, a kad smo već u toj
 tematici, neka treći bude *Svetovid* koji simbolizira strane svijeta.

 Perun - nebo - sateliti
 Veles - zemlja, voda
 Svetovid - strane svijeta i proricanje (routing)

 Inače, na Učki postoji jedan vrh po imenu Perun do kojeg iz Mošćenićke
 Drage vodi mitsko-poučna staza
 http://www.pp-ucka.hr/mitsko-povijesna-staza-trebisca-perun/ s tablama
 koje opisuju ove legende. Super dodatak za lijep izlet - preporučujem.




 2014-12-01 18:49 GMT+01:00 hbogner hbog...@gmail.com:

  U prosloj poruci napisao sam s cim sad raspolazemo(1) te sam predlozio da
  zajednicki smislimo nazive servera kao sto OSM ima zmajeve.
 
  Napisite ovdje svoje ideje za nazive servera :)
 
  (1) https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-hr/2014-
  December/002240.html
 
 
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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi Mark,

This link should actually provide the most updated Bing imagery coverage:
http://osmph.github.io/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#12.009771,124.381713,8

~Eugene

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All, Jean-Guilhem updated the Bing Hi Res Imagery availability. I have
 uploaded an updated image to the Wiki ..


 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Typhoon_Hagupit_(Ruby)#Maps



 Regards

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 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi all:

 Bing/Mapbox OSM limits seem outdated, at least for Samar island (the one
 I checked). Now they cover many more areas of the island.

 I modified the limits for Samar, but would be interesting to
 check/modify them for other areas that could be affected.

 Cheers,

 Rafael.

 On 04/12/14 01:12, Mark Cupitt wrote:
  Hi Andrew, Thanks great links. I think Maning and I are good candidates
  to lead this, he is in Manila, I am in Negros, down south.
 
  I agree and think it will swing towards the north. The track i sent is
  from a site called http://Typhoon2000.com, he has been tracking
  Philippine Typhooons for years and is located in Bicol. (So we may get
  first hand accounts)
 
  It is also worth watching with Wundergorund as the local knowledge on
  the tracks kicks in.
 
  I also agree that flooding will be the major issue the way it looks now.
 
  I will start a HOT Wiki Page today for this with the basics as well. It
  will be somewhere to put all the information in one place.
 
  Hi Pierre
 
  Yep, I think the imagery assessment on what is currently available is
  the first step. We can adjust as the track
 
 
  Regards
 
  Mark Cupitt
 
  If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence
 
  Hire Me on Freelancer
 
  See me on Open StreetMap 
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt
 
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  On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Buck andrew.r.b...@gmail.com
  mailto:andrew.r.b...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thanks for the heads up Mark.  It is definitely good to start watching
  these things as soon as possible and planning the response.  Below is
  a link to Jeff Masters most recent blog post about the typhoon; Jeff
  is an expert on hurricanes/typhoons and his analysis pre-Haiyan was
  what allowed us to focus on Tacloban before the storm even hit.  The
  second link is to the Wunderground tracking page for the storm itself
  showing lots of useful info, and the third link is to the 'Wundermap'
  with the tropical storm layer turned on.
 
  http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2871
 
 
 http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/western-pacific/2014/Super-Typhoon-Hagupit
 
  http://wxug.us/1m0l5
 
  According to his reading of the situation, as well as the results of
  the various model runs it is looking like it will be a catergory 4 or
  5 when it hits the Philippines (Haiyan was a cat 5 at landfall).
  There are some positive signs though: wind shear is expected to pick
  up which will weaken the storm and the waters are not as warm as when
  Haiyan struck; both positive signs.  For us I think the most relevant
  part of the blog is the following:
 
  There is less heat energy available in the ocean for Hagupit, and
  wind shear is expected to rise to the high range on Friday as strong
  upper-level winds tear 

Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Mark Cupitt
Hi Eugene, A Big Thanks, Thats cool.


Regards

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Mark,

 This link should actually provide the most updated Bing imagery coverage:
 http://osmph.github.io/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#12.009771,124.381713,8

 ~Eugene

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All, Jean-Guilhem updated the Bing Hi Res Imagery availability. I have
 uploaded an updated image to the Wiki ..


 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Typhoon_Hagupit_(Ruby)#Maps



 Regards

 Mark Cupitt

 If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence

 Hire Me on Freelancer

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 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi all:

 Bing/Mapbox OSM limits seem outdated, at least for Samar island (the one
 I checked). Now they cover many more areas of the island.

 I modified the limits for Samar, but would be interesting to
 check/modify them for other areas that could be affected.

 Cheers,

 Rafael.

 On 04/12/14 01:12, Mark Cupitt wrote:
  Hi Andrew, Thanks great links. I think Maning and I are good candidates
  to lead this, he is in Manila, I am in Negros, down south.
 
  I agree and think it will swing towards the north. The track i sent is
  from a site called http://Typhoon2000.com, he has been tracking
  Philippine Typhooons for years and is located in Bicol. (So we may get
  first hand accounts)
 
  It is also worth watching with Wundergorund as the local knowledge on
  the tracks kicks in.
 
  I also agree that flooding will be the major issue the way it looks
 now.
 
  I will start a HOT Wiki Page today for this with the basics as well. It
  will be somewhere to put all the information in one place.
 
  Hi Pierre
 
  Yep, I think the imagery assessment on what is currently available is
  the first step. We can adjust as the track
 
 
  Regards
 
  Mark Cupitt
 
  If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence
 
  Hire Me on Freelancer
 
  See me on Open StreetMap 
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt
 
  See me on LinkedIn http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt
 
  *
  See me on StackExchange 
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  On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Buck andrew.r.b...@gmail.com
  mailto:andrew.r.b...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Thanks for the heads up Mark.  It is definitely good to start watching
  these things as soon as possible and planning the response.  Below is
  a link to Jeff Masters most recent blog post about the typhoon; Jeff
  is an expert on hurricanes/typhoons and his analysis pre-Haiyan was
  what allowed us to focus on Tacloban before the storm 

Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Mark Cupitt
Hi Eugene, there are some Orange Tiles under the Red Ones, are they
something different??

Cheers

Mark


Regards

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Eugene, A Big Thanks, Thats cool.


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 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Mark,

 This link should actually provide the most updated Bing imagery coverage:
 http://osmph.github.io/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#12.009771,124.381713,8

 ~Eugene

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All, Jean-Guilhem updated the Bing Hi Res Imagery availability. I
 have uploaded an updated image to the Wiki ..


 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Typhoon_Hagupit_(Ruby)#Maps



 Regards

 Mark Cupitt

 If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence

 Hire Me on Freelancer

 See me on Open StreetMap
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 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Hi all:

 Bing/Mapbox OSM limits seem outdated, at least for Samar island (the one
 I checked). Now they cover many more areas of the island.

 I modified the limits for Samar, but would be interesting to
 check/modify them for other areas that could be affected.

 Cheers,

 Rafael.

 On 04/12/14 01:12, Mark Cupitt wrote:
  Hi Andrew, Thanks great links. I think Maning and I are good
 candidates
  to lead this, he is in Manila, I am in Negros, down south.
 
  I agree and think it will swing towards the north. The track i sent is
  from a site called http://Typhoon2000.com, he has been tracking
  Philippine Typhooons for years and is located in Bicol. (So we may get
  first hand accounts)
 
  It is also worth watching with Wundergorund as the local knowledge on
  the tracks kicks in.
 
  I also agree that flooding will be the major issue the way it looks
 now.
 
  I will start a HOT Wiki Page today for this with the basics as well.
 It
  will be somewhere to put all the information in one place.
 
  Hi Pierre
 
  Yep, I think the imagery assessment on what is currently available is
  the first step. We can adjust as the track
 
 
  Regards
 
  Mark Cupitt
 
  If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence
 
  Hire Me on Freelancer
 
  See me on Open StreetMap 
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt
 
  See me on LinkedIn http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt
 
  *
  See me on StackExchange 
 

Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi Mark,

The orange shapes indicate the latest added imagery. This is so that people
can concentrate on these areas for tracing on the assumption that existing
imagery have already been traced before.

~Eugene

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Eugene, there are some Orange Tiles under the Red Ones, are they
 something different??

 Cheers

 Mark


 Regards

 Mark Cupitt

 If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence

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 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:00 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Eugene, A Big Thanks, Thats cool.


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 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Mark,

 This link should actually provide the most updated Bing imagery coverage:
 http://osmph.github.io/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#12.009771,124.381713,8

 ~Eugene

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi All, Jean-Guilhem updated the Bing Hi Res Imagery availability. I
 have uploaded an updated image to the Wiki ..


 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Typhoon_Hagupit_(Ruby)#Maps



 Regards

 Mark Cupitt

 If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence

 Hire Me on Freelancer

 See me on Open StreetMap
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 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Rafael Avila Coya 
 ravilac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all:

 Bing/Mapbox OSM limits seem outdated, at least for Samar island (the
 one
 I checked). Now they cover many more areas of the island.

 I modified the limits for Samar, but would be interesting to
 check/modify them for other areas that could be affected.

 Cheers,

 Rafael.

 On 04/12/14 01:12, Mark Cupitt wrote:
  Hi Andrew, Thanks great links. I think Maning and I are good
 candidates
  to lead this, he is in Manila, I am in Negros, down south.
 
  I agree and think it will swing towards the north. The track i sent
 is
  from a site called http://Typhoon2000.com, he has been tracking
  Philippine Typhooons for years and is located in Bicol. (So we may
 get
  first hand accounts)
 
  It is also worth watching with Wundergorund as the local knowledge on
  the tracks kicks in.
 
  I also agree that flooding will be the major issue the way it looks
 now.
 
  I will start a HOT Wiki Page today for this with the basics as well.
 It
  will be somewhere to put all the information in one place.
 
  Hi Pierre
 
  Yep, I think the imagery assessment on what is currently available is
  the first step. We can adjust as the 

Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Mark Cupitt
Hi Eugene

That;s absolutely cool .. A Hidden gem .. at least for me ..


Regards

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On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Mark,

 The orange shapes indicate the latest added imagery. This is so that
 people can concentrate on these areas for tracing on the assumption that
 existing imagery have already been traced before.

 ~Eugene

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Eugene, there are some Orange Tiles under the Red Ones, are they
 something different??

 Cheers

 Mark


 Regards

 Mark Cupitt

 If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence

 Hire Me on Freelancer

 See me on Open StreetMap https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark_Cupitt

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 Mark Cupitt

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 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Mark,

 This link should actually provide the most updated Bing imagery
 coverage:
 http://osmph.github.io/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#12.009771,124.381713,8

 ~Eugene

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi All, Jean-Guilhem updated the Bing Hi Res Imagery availability. I
 have uploaded an updated image to the Wiki ..


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 Hi all:

 Bing/Mapbox OSM limits seem outdated, at least for Samar island (the
 one
 I 

Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi Mark,

You can actually toggle the data layers by hovering your mouse pointer over
the layer icon on the upper-right corner. The orange shapes are toggled by
the Bing (new since Sep 2013) layer.

~Eugene


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 That;s absolutely cool .. A Hidden gem .. at least for me ..


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 Hi Mark,

 The orange shapes indicate the latest added imagery. This is so that
 people can concentrate on these areas for tracing on the assumption that
 existing imagery have already been traced before.

 ~Eugene

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Eugene, there are some Orange Tiles under the Red Ones, are they
 something different??

 Cheers

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 Hi Mark,

 This link should actually provide the most updated Bing imagery
 coverage:
 http://osmph.github.io/Imagery_Coverage_Map/#12.009771,124.381713,8

 ~Eugene

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 Hi All, Jean-Guilhem updated the Bing Hi Res Imagery availability. I
 have uploaded an updated image to the Wiki ..


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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi Mark,

This map is manually updated usually soon after someone notices that there
is new Bing imagery. Bing never regularly announces that they have added
new imagery so if someone notices that there's something new, I or another
person will try to update the GeoJSON shapes in the following Github
repository:
https://github.com/OSMPH/Imagery_Coverage_Map

Anyway, updates to this map is always announced on this mailing list. The
previous announcement was this message sent last September:
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2014-September/005286.html

Regards,
Eugene

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 Oh .. Even Cooler .. When we meet, beers are on me .. WOW!!

 How often is this updated??

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 Hi Mark,

 You can actually toggle the data layers by hovering your mouse pointer
 over the layer icon on the upper-right corner. The orange shapes are
 toggled by the Bing (new since Sep 2013) layer.

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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Mark Cupitt
Thanks Eugene .. Wonderful App .. I understand and will contribute in the
future .. Cheers


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On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
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 Hi Mark,

 This map is manually updated usually soon after someone notices that there
 is new Bing imagery. Bing never regularly announces that they have added
 new imagery so if someone notices that there's something new, I or another
 person will try to update the GeoJSON shapes in the following Github
 repository:
 https://github.com/OSMPH/Imagery_Coverage_Map

 Anyway, updates to this map is always announced on this mailing list. The
 previous announcement was this message sent last September:

 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2014-September/005286.html

 Regards,
 Eugene

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh .. Even Cooler .. When we meet, beers are on me .. WOW!!

 How often is this updated??

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 8:20 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
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 Hi Mark,

 You can actually toggle the data layers by hovering your mouse pointer
 over the layer icon on the upper-right corner. The orange shapes are
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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione maning sambale
There is also a skype channel for the coordination. If anyone wants to
join, let us know. More local people to provide local context, the better
we understand the appropriate respose.

Maning Sambale (mobile)
On Dec 4, 2014 11:54 AM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All

 The basic HOT Wiki Page is up now, Feel Free to Add information as you
 have it


 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Typhoon_Hagupit_(Ruby)



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 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, maning sambale 
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear OSM-PH mappers,

 Just a note that we are monitoring the situation as it happens.  If there
 is a need to respond in the coming days we will inform the list.
 We also started talks with government contacts of our willingness to
 assist.  For now keep safe and keep us posted on the local developments in
 your area.

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Andrew, Thanks great links. I think Maning and I are good candidates
 to lead this, he is in Manila, I am in Negros, down south.

 I agree and think it will swing towards the north. The track i sent is
 from a site called http://Typhoon2000.com, he has been tracking
 Philippine Typhooons for years and is located in Bicol. (So we may get
 first hand accounts)

 It is also worth watching with Wundergorund as the local knowledge on
 the tracks kicks in.

 I also agree that flooding will be the major issue the way it looks now.

 I will start a HOT Wiki Page today for this with the basics as well. It
 will be somewhere to put all the information in one place.

 Hi Pierre

 Yep, I think the imagery assessment on what is currently available is
 the first step. We can adjust as the track


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 wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Thanks for the heads up Mark.  It is definitely good to start watching
 these things as soon as possible and planning the response.  Below is
 a link to Jeff Masters most recent blog post about the typhoon; Jeff
 is an expert on hurricanes/typhoons and his analysis pre-Haiyan was
 what allowed us to focus on Tacloban before the storm even hit.  The
 second link is to the Wunderground tracking page for the storm itself
 showing lots of useful info, and the third link is to the 'Wundermap'
 with the tropical storm layer turned on.

 http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2871


 http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/western-pacific/2014/Super-Typhoon-Hagupit

 http://wxug.us/1m0l5

 According to his reading of the situation, as well as the results of
 the various model runs it is looking like it will be a catergory 4 or
 5 when it hits the Philippines (Haiyan was a cat 5 at landfall).
 There are some positive signs though: wind shear is expected to pick
 up which will weaken the storm and the waters are not as warm as when
 Haiyan struck; both positive signs.  For us I think the most relevant
 part of the blog is the following:

 There is less heat energy available in the ocean for Hagupit, and
 wind shear is expected to rise to the high range on Friday as strong
 

Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Pierre Béland
If we can have a list of local contacts before the typhoon, this can eventually 
help to coordinate with local autorithies and humanitarian agencies, providing 
OSM map  services. Pierre 

  De : maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 À : Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com 
Cc : osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Jeudi 4 décembre 2014 19h32
 Objet : Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)
   
There is also a skype channel for the coordination. If anyone wants to join, 
let us know. More local people to provide local context, the better we 
understand the appropriate respose.Maning Sambale (mobile)

On Dec 4, 2014 11:54 AM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi All
The basic HOT Wiki Page is up now, Feel Free to Add information as you have it
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Typhoon_Hagupit_(Ruby)



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Dear OSM-PH mappers,

Just a note that we are monitoring the situation as it happens.  If there is a 
need to respond in the coming days we will inform the list.
We also started talks with government contacts of our willingness to assist.  
For now keep safe and keep us posted on the local developments in your area.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Andrew, Thanks great links. I think Maning and I are good candidates to lead 
this, he is in Manila, I am in Negros, down south. 
I agree and think it will swing towards the north. The track i sent is from a 
site called http://Typhoon2000.com, he has been tracking Philippine Typhooons 
for years and is located in Bicol. (So we may get first hand accounts)
It is also worth watching with Wundergorund as the local knowledge on the 
tracks kicks in.
I also agree that flooding will be the major issue the way it looks now.
I will start a HOT Wiki Page today for this with the basics as well. It will be 
somewhere to put all the information in one place.
Hi Pierre
Yep, I think the imagery assessment on what is currently available is the first 
step. We can adjust as the track

Regards
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Thanks for the heads up Mark.  It is definitely good to start watching
these things as soon as possible and planning the response.  Below is
a link to Jeff Masters most recent blog post about the typhoon; Jeff
is an expert on hurricanes/typhoons and his analysis pre-Haiyan was
what allowed us to focus on Tacloban before the storm even hit.  The
second link is to the Wunderground tracking page for the storm itself
showing lots of useful info, and the third link is to the 'Wundermap'
with the tropical storm layer turned on.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2871

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/western-pacific/2014/Super-Typhoon-Hagupit

http://wxug.us/1m0l5

According to his reading of the situation, as well as the results of
the various model runs it is looking like it will be a catergory 4 or
5 when it hits the Philippines (Haiyan was a cat 5 at landfall).
There are some positive signs though: wind shear is expected to pick
up which will weaken the storm and the waters are not as warm as when
Haiyan struck; both positive signs.  For us I think the most relevant
part of the blog is the following:

There is less heat energy available in the ocean for Hagupit, 

[talk-ph] Calling Samar Mappers

2014-12-04 Per discussione Mark Cupitt
Hi All, in response to the pending threat from Typhooon Ruby currently
predicated to make landfall on a track north of Tacloban in Southern Samar,
we would like to make contact with any OSM Mappers in that area for local
knowledge input.

If you or someone you know can assist, please let us know.

We are requesting Hi-res Imagery for the areas covered by low res Bing
Imagery. Mapping Priorities will be Roads, buildings and shelters

Current Priority Areas will be from east coast,  headed west North on a
track north of Tacloban

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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Mark Cupitt
Pierre, this makes a lot of sense. Maning, do you have any kind of starter
list from Yolanda?

Dale may have something ..

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On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:

 If we can have a list of local contacts before the typhoon, this can
 eventually help to coordinate with local autorithies and humanitarian
 agencies, providing OSM map  services.

 Pierre

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  *De :* maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 *À :* Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com
 *Cc :* osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
 *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 4 décembre 2014 19h32
 *Objet :* Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name
 Ruby)

 There is also a skype channel for the coordination. If anyone wants to
 join, let us know. More local people to provide local context, the better
 we understand the appropriate respose.
 Maning Sambale (mobile)


 On Dec 4, 2014 11:54 AM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi All

 The basic HOT Wiki Page is up now, Feel Free to Add information as you
 have it


 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Typhoon_Hagupit_(Ruby)



 Regards

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 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:34 AM, maning sambale 
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear OSM-PH mappers,

 Just a note that we are monitoring the situation as it happens.  If there
 is a need to respond in the coming days we will inform the list.
 We also started talks with government contacts of our willingness to
 assist.  For now keep safe and keep us posted on the local developments in
 your area.

 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Mark Cupitt markcup...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Andrew, Thanks great links. I think Maning and I are good candidates to
 lead this, he is in Manila, I am in Negros, down south.

 I agree and think it will swing towards the north. The track i sent is
 from a site called http://Typhoon2000.com http://typhoon2000.com/, he
 has been tracking Philippine Typhooons for years and is located in Bicol.
 (So we may get first hand accounts)

 It is also worth watching with Wundergorund as the local knowledge on the
 tracks kicks in.

 I also agree that flooding will be the major issue the way it looks now.

 I will start a HOT Wiki Page today for this with the basics as well. It
 will be somewhere to put all the information in one place.

 Hi Pierre

 Yep, I think the imagery assessment on what is currently available is the
 first step. We can adjust as the track


 Regards

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[talk-ph] Typhoon Ruby Agency Response Contacts

2014-12-04 Per discussione Mark Cupitt
We need to collect Contacts for the different Agencies to assist with Pre
and Post Disaster Mapping efforts.

I have created a Google Spreadsheet (link below) to hold the information.

If you have, any contacts for any of the Government, NGO's at the national
or local level, please add them so that this information can be circulated.

Typhoon Ruby Agency Response Contacts -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HbfKkkQdkp7TbUUr7QmP6k3XTA8etzhReE-wPjK9rCo/edit?usp=sharing

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[talk-ph] Fwd: [HOT] Typhoon Hagupit / Ruby Activation

2014-12-04 Per discussione maning sambale
FYI,

HOT has formally activated to respond.  Priority is pre-mapping
potential areas that maybe affected.  Details below.


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Date: Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 12:22 PM
Subject: [HOT] Typhoon Hagupit / Ruby Activation
To: HOT Openstreetmap h...@openstreetmap.org


Mark already informed you about the pre-disaster mapping for the
typhoon Hagupit / Ruby.  Re-evaluating the situation, we have decided
to officially announce that HOT activates to support the Philippines
government and the international organizations that deploy to help the
people of this region.

Mark Cupitt and Manin Sambale from the Philippines are the
coordinators. They are assisted by Pierre Béland and Andrew Buck from
north-america. This will assures a continuous coordination for this
Activation. As usual, we have the support from highly engaged
contributors from Europe and America.

We started yesterday a skype coordination room with OCHA, Red Cross /
Red Crescent and various DHNetwork partners.  The typhoon is predicted
to land in about 26 hours just north of Tacloban. This city was
hardlly hit by the typhoon Haiyan a year ago and many people are still
leaving in tents a year after this disaster.

At this point the exact trajectory and landing point is still
incertain and we want to do pre-mapping rapidly.  The landing is
actually predicted on Samar island. This area was not intensively
mapped for Haiyan since we did not have high-res imagery for the area.

The HIU unit of the US State department is processing imagery and we
should add new task manager jobs soon.

Activation Wiki page at
Humanitarian OSM Team/Typhoon Hagupit (Ruby) - OpenStreetMap Wiki

For Information and Contact People Involved

IRC - irc://irc.oftc.net #hot
HOT Email List - Humanitarian OSM Team (HOT) Mailling-List
(Subscription Required)


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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione RK
Hi everyone,

Just noticed that the Tasking Manager link points to:

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/462

which is for Sindh, Pakistan.

I'd edit it myself but I am having trouble recovering my wiki password as
my ISP(Globe) is apparently blocked and OSM won't send me the recovery
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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione maning sambale
Fixed. url should be:
http://tasks.hotosm.org/?sort_by=prioritydirection=ascsearch=ruby

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 Just noticed that the Tasking Manager link points to:

 http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/462

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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Mark Cupitt
Ahh thanks, I copied it form he Tharparker Activation Wiki that I did,
missed that link. Sorry ..


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 Fixed. url should be:
 http://tasks.hotosm.org/?sort_by=prioritydirection=ascsearch=ruby

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:44 PM, RK rk.ara...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi everyone,
 
  Just noticed that the Tasking Manager link points to:
 
  http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/462
 
  which is for Sindh, Pakistan.
 
  I'd edit it myself but I am having trouble recovering my wiki password
 as my
  ISP(Globe) is apparently blocked and OSM won't send me the recovery
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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Super Typhoon Hagupit (International Name Ruby)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Mark Cupitt
We are not publishing that task yet so I will remove it for now.


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  wrote:

 Fixed. url should be:
 http://tasks.hotosm.org/?sort_by=prioritydirection=ascsearch=ruby

 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:44 PM, RK rk.ara...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi everyone,
 
  Just noticed that the Tasking Manager link points to:
 
  http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/462
 
  which is for Sindh, Pakistan.
 
  I'd edit it myself but I am having trouble recovering my wiki password
 as my
  ISP(Globe) is apparently blocked and OSM won't send me the recovery
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Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Hagupit / Ruby Activation

2014-12-04 Per discussione Ervin Malicdem
The evac centers icon will be ready starting tomorrow's map generation. It
will temporary overwrite icons for schools or other pois tagged as evacs.

Was searching for an international standard icon for evac centers. Do we
have one?

Ervin Malicdem
for Schadow1 Expeditions
a Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland.
http://www.s1expeditions.com
On Dec 5, 2014 2:15 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks ervin.  Is it possible for you to create custom icon for
 features tagged as evacuation_center=yes and evacuation_centre=yes ?
 We plan to map that too.


 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com wrote:
  In response to the activation,  Schadow1 Expeditions will start it's
 daily
  update of its OSM-based Garmin GPS map generation starting tomorrow
 December
  6, 2014, to catch up with the mapping updates provided by the advocates;
 and
  for use of humanitarian missions on the field. This will continue as
 until
  relief operations has been concluded.
 
  Keep on adding data.
 
  GPS assisted map can be downloaded on site
 
  http://www.s1expeditions.com/p/openstreetmaps.html
 
  Ervin Malicdem
  for Schadow1 Expeditions
  a Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland.
  http://www.s1expeditions.com
 
  On Dec 5, 2014 12:22 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote:
 
  Mark already informed you about the pre-disaster mapping for the typhoon
  Hagupit / Ruby.  Re-evaluating the situation, we have decided to
 officially
  announce that HOT activates to support the Philippines government and
 the
  international organizations that deploy to help the people of this
 region.
 
  Mark Cupitt and Manin Sambale from the Philippines are the coordinators.
  They are assisted by Pierre Béland and Andrew Buck from north-america.
 This
  will assures a continuous coordination for this Activation. As usual, we
  have the support from highly engaged contributors from Europe and
 America.
 
  We started yesterday a skype coordination room with OCHA, Red Cross /
 Red
  Crescent and various DHNetwork partners.  The typhoon is predicted to
 land
  in about 26 hours just north of Tacloban. This city was hardlly hit by
 the
  typhoon Haiyan a year ago and many people are still leaving in tents a
 year
  after this disaster.
 
  At this point the exact trajectory and landing point is still incertain
  and we want to do pre-mapping rapidly.  The landing is actually
 predicted on
  Samar island. This area was not intensively mapped for Haiyan since we
 did
  not have high-res imagery for the area.
 
  The HIU unit of the US State department is processing imagery and we
  should add new task manager jobs soon.
 
  Activation Wiki page at
  Humanitarian OSM Team/Typhoon Hagupit (Ruby) - OpenStreetMap Wiki
 
  For Information and Contact People Involved
 
  IRC - irc://irc.oftc.net #hot
  HOT Email List - Humanitarian OSM Team (HOT) Mailling-List (Subscription
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Testing playing arround to check if we did it good??? Nope...

2014-12-04 Per discussione Jakka

After 24:00 hr still not ok.
Do not know if the corrections al already been rendered.
I cannot find what tag is tu much or to less?

J.

Marc Gemis schreef op 3/12/2014 om 15:28:

no problem, you're welcome.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Jakka
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mailto:vdmfrank...@gmail.com wrote:

Graphview plugin installed.
Section N58 acces=no deleted.

Thanks again.



Marc Gemis schreef op 3/12/2014 om 12:20:

There is a very small section of the N58, just before the new
right turn
you made, that still has access= no
See [1], which is a screenshot of JOSM with the graphview
plugin. All
white lines are accessible, the other colors not.

regards

m

[1]
http://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/__Screenshots/Screenshots-1/i-__6jCdttq
http://xian.smugmug.com/OSM/Screenshots/Screenshots-1/i-6jCdttq

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 Hi,

 I know mappers do not map for renders but ..
 Whats that ???
 E17 not my work but N58 I work on it turns


https://graphhopper.com/maps/?point=50.772059%2C3.193701point=50.774166%2C3.187977layer=MapQuest

https://graphhopper.com/maps/?__point=50.772059%2C3.193701__point=50.774166%2C3.187977__layer=MapQuest


https://graphhopper.com/maps/__?point=50.772059%2C3.193701__point=50.774166%2C3.187977__layer=MapQuest

https://graphhopper.com/maps/?point=50.772059%2C3.193701point=50.774166%2C3.187977layer=MapQuest

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Re: [Talk-si] Fwd: [OpenStreetMap] Imamo dovoljenje!

2014-12-04 Per discussione Stefan Baebler
Pozdravljeni!

Za boljše razumevanje smo pripravili pregledovalnik podatkov, ki jih lahko
uvozimo v OSM: http://raba.openstreetmap.si/
Več o tem in debata pa na:
Forumu: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=27289
Wikiju:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Slovenia_Landcover_Import_-_RABA-KGZ

Vzemite si nekaj časa in preglejte svoja področja in podajte svoje
komentarje, opažanja, pripombe, predloge...

lp,
Štefan


2014-09-16 14:57 GMT+02:00 Stefan Baebler stefan.baeb...@gmail.com:

 Debata teče naprej na forumu:
 http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=26891

 Na to temo pa se dobimo v živo v Kmečkem Hramu v Ljubljani, ta petek 19.
 septembra ob 18. uri.
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/46.07873/14.53623

 Dobrodošli!

 lp,
 Štefan


 2014-09-08 14:15 GMT+02:00 Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com:

 Zdravo,

 Fajn novica. V QGISu sem naložil .shp rabe (600 MB), ni mi pa uspelo
 dodati OSM map layerja, javlja napako, nisem se poglabljal.
 Tukaj sta dva primera rabe za MB in LJ:
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6894864/temp/raba-mb.jpg in
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6894864/temp/raba-lj.jpg

 Prvo, kar se da ugotoviti je, da so poligoni razbiti v pravokotno mrežo.
 Torej če bomo tole importali, je eno od vprašanj ali to združevati v večje
 multipoligone ali ohraniti tako, kot je. In kako bi se sploh lotili importa
 (in kdo).

 lp Igor

 2014-09-07 18:57 GMT+02:00 Stefan Baebler stefan.baeb...@gmail.com:

 FYI:
 http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=26891

 Ima kdo možnost iz shapefile-a narediti kak enostaven overlay čez OSM
 zemljevid, da preverimo vir?

 Lp,
 Štefan
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 Od: gvil m-454892-b65...@messages.openstreetmap.org
 Datum: 5. sep. 2014 12:09
 Zadeva: [OpenStreetMap] Imamo dovoljenje!
 Za: stefan.baebler+...@gmail.com
 Kp:

 Pozdravljeni, StefanB,

 Uporabnik gvil http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/gvil vam je prek
 OpenStreetMap poslal novo sporočilo glede Imamo dovoljenje!:
 ==

 rkg.m...@gov.si

 11.47 (pred 19 minute)

 Za meni Spoštovani,

 podatki evidence dejanske rabe so javni in se lahko uporabljajo v vse
 namene, ob predpostavki, da je naveden vir in datum podatkov ter navedba,
 da se evidenca dejanske rabe kmetijskih in gozdnih zemljišč sprotno
 posodablja, glede na dostopnost virov in informacij in da stanje, ki ga
 prikazujete ne odraža vedno trenutnega stanja.

 Lep pozdrav, Alenka Rotter

 27.06.2014 09:29 Prosim, odgovorite za rkg.mkgp

 Za:rkg@gov.si,
 kp:
 Zadeva:Prošnja za soglasje za uporabo grafičnih podatkov RABA 
 v OpenStreetMap

 ==

 Lahko tudi preberete sporočilo na
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/read/454892 in lahko odgovorite
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Re: [OSM-talk] Nik4: mapnik → image

2014-12-04 Per discussione Frederik Ramm
Zverik,

On 05/16/14 07:12, Ilya Zverev wrote:
 Today I have published Nik4. It makes everything easier.

I see that it can split a large image into smaller mapnik rendering jobs
and combine them after, with --tiles. That's already very useful but is
it also possible to actually keep the tiles (e.g. for building a GDAL
VRT from them)? This would require a separate .pgw file for each tile.

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[OSM-talk] weekly 228 in English is online

2014-12-04 Per discussione Manfred A. Reiter
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 228, (25.11. - 01.12.2014)
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all
things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu

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[Talk-br] área de preservação adjacente à Serra do Cipó

2014-12-04 Per discussione Gerald Weber
Oi Pessoal

alguém tem alguma idéia do que vem a ser esta Área Preservação Ambiental
14220ha  que foi incluída há cerca de 7 meses atrás ?

http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/280512288/history

ela é adjacente à Serra do Cipó, mas fora isto não faço idéia do que seja,

será que ela é parte de um conjunto de importações problematicas em Itabira
que foi discutido aqui há algum tempo atrás?

abraço

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Re: [Talk-br] área de preservação adjacente à Serra do Cipó

2014-12-04 Per discussione John Packer
Gerald, um comentário rápido:
Vi que tu comentou no conjunto de alterações que incluiu o objeto sendo
discutido (o que é bom), mas note que atualmente os usuários não recebem
notificações do OSM se for comentado num conjunto de alterações que tenha
sido criado ANTES do sistema de discussão de alterações ter sido publicado
no site.
Mais detalhes no seguinte link:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/823 (em
inglês)

Em 4 de dezembro de 2014 21:12, Gerald Weber gwebe...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Oi Pessoal

 alguém tem alguma idéia do que vem a ser esta Área Preservação Ambiental
 14220ha  que foi incluída há cerca de 7 meses atrás ?

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/280512288/history

 ela é adjacente à Serra do Cipó, mas fora isto não faço idéia do que seja,

 será que ela é parte de um conjunto de importações problematicas em
 Itabira que foi discutido aqui há algum tempo atrás?

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[Talk-de] Abbiegespuren mit Fahrradspur

2014-12-04 Per discussione Benjamin Grimm-Lebsanft
Hallo zusammen,

ich versuche mich gerade an der Abbiegespurenwochenaufgabe zu beteiligen
und finde zu der, meiner Meinung nach recht häufig vorkommenden,
Fahrradspur-Problematik keine Infos im Wiki.

Anschauungsbeispiel. Von links nach rechts sind die Spuren wie folgt:
geradeaus
geradeaus
Fahrrad
rechts abbiegen

Wie mappe ich jetzt die Fahrradspur? Ist das dann
through|through|cycleway|right?

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Re: [Talk-de] Abbiegespuren mit Fahrradspur

2014-12-04 Per discussione Martin Vonwald
Der Wert cycleway ist nicht zulässig für turn. Du taggst in turn einfach
alle Abbiegemarkierung:
turn:lanes=through|through|none|rightbzw.
turn:lanes=through|through|through|right

Und idealerweise spezifizierst du noch die dritte Spur explizit als Radspur:
bicycle:lanes=yes|yes|designated|yes

Ich nehme an, dass ein Wechsel von der Abbiegespur nach links nicht erlaubt
ist? Dann bietet sich noch folgendes an:
change:lanes=...|...|...|no

Übrigens - da ein oft gemachter Fehler - falls du lanes=x angeben möchtest,
wäre lanes=3 korrekt, da der Schlüssel lanes nur die Spuren für den
motorisierten Verkehr zählt. Deshalb ist die Anzahl der Werte der
:lanes-Schlüssel (beachte den Doppelpunkt) auch nicht zwingend gleich der
Angabe der Anzahl im lanes-Schlüssel.

bg,
Martin

Am 4. Dezember 2014 um 12:21 schrieb Benjamin Grimm-Lebsanft 
benja...@lebsanft.org:

 Hallo zusammen,

 ich versuche mich gerade an der Abbiegespurenwochenaufgabe zu beteiligen
 und finde zu der, meiner Meinung nach recht häufig vorkommenden,
 Fahrradspur-Problematik keine Infos im Wiki.

 Anschauungsbeispiel. Von links nach rechts sind die Spuren wie folgt:
 geradeaus
 geradeaus
 Fahrrad
 rechts abbiegen

 Wie mappe ich jetzt die Fahrradspur? Ist das dann
 through|through|cycleway|right?

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Re: [Talk-de] Abbiegespuren mit Fahrradspur

2014-12-04 Per discussione Benjamin Grimm-Lebsanft
Hallo Martin,

danke für die Antwort. Hab mir das gerade am Beispiel der Freiburger
Kronenbrücke abgeschaut. Danke dass du meine Gedanken nochmal bestätigst!

Liebe Grüße
Benjamin

On 04.12.2014 12:34, Martin Vonwald wrote:
 Der Wert cycleway ist nicht zulässig für turn. Du taggst in turn einfach
 alle Abbiegemarkierung:
 turn:lanes=through|through|none|rightbzw.
 turn:lanes=through|through|through|right
 
 Und idealerweise spezifizierst du noch die dritte Spur explizit als Radspur:
 bicycle:lanes=yes|yes|designated|yes
 
 Ich nehme an, dass ein Wechsel von der Abbiegespur nach links nicht erlaubt
 ist? Dann bietet sich noch folgendes an:
 change:lanes=...|...|...|no
 
 Übrigens - da ein oft gemachter Fehler - falls du lanes=x angeben möchtest,
 wäre lanes=3 korrekt, da der Schlüssel lanes nur die Spuren für den
 motorisierten Verkehr zählt. Deshalb ist die Anzahl der Werte der
 :lanes-Schlüssel (beachte den Doppelpunkt) auch nicht zwingend gleich der
 Angabe der Anzahl im lanes-Schlüssel.
 
 bg,
 Martin
 
 Am 4. Dezember 2014 um 12:21 schrieb Benjamin Grimm-Lebsanft 
 benja...@lebsanft.org:
 
 Hallo zusammen,

 ich versuche mich gerade an der Abbiegespurenwochenaufgabe zu beteiligen
 und finde zu der, meiner Meinung nach recht häufig vorkommenden,
 Fahrradspur-Problematik keine Infos im Wiki.

 Anschauungsbeispiel. Von links nach rechts sind die Spuren wie folgt:
 geradeaus
 geradeaus
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 Wie mappe ich jetzt die Fahrradspur? Ist das dann
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Re: [Talk-de] Abbiegespuren mit Fahrradspur

2014-12-04 Per discussione Tom Pfeifer

Ich halte das Tagging in der beschriebenen Form für inkonsistent,
genau aus dem von Martin unten beschriebenen Grund, lanes sind
Vollspuren für zweispurige Fahrzeuge.

lanes=n und die Anzahl der turn:lanes sollten daher zueinander passen,
andernfalls ist der Router überfordert und wird das Tagging für
diese Kreuzung als fehlerhaft verwerfen. Das diskutieren wir grade in
OsmAnd wo derzeit die turn:lanes-layouts eingebaut werden.

Schaut auch bitte mal die Beispiele (no consensus) an auf
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_lanes_and_bus.2Ftaxi_lanes
In Beispiel B1, deckt mal die Skizze zu und versucht es aus dem Tagging
zu rekonstruieren. Ich bekomme 3 lanes angeboten, eine backward, zwei forward,
und habe dann jeweils 5 Werte für access die ich irgendwo nach rechts oder
links schieben kann.

Ich halte daher das Problem der zwischengelagerten Halbspuren für
ungelöst. Vermutlich muss das turn:lanes-Schema um entsprechende
Werte für Halbspuren ergänzen.

Tom

Benjamin Grimm-Lebsanft wrote on 2014-12-04 13:15:

Hallo Martin,

danke für die Antwort. Hab mir das gerade am Beispiel der Freiburger
Kronenbrücke abgeschaut. Danke dass du meine Gedanken nochmal bestätigst!

Liebe Grüße
Benjamin

On 04.12.2014 12:34, Martin Vonwald wrote:

Der Wert cycleway ist nicht zulässig für turn. Du taggst in turn einfach
alle Abbiegemarkierung:
turn:lanes=through|through|none|rightbzw.
turn:lanes=through|through|through|right

Und idealerweise spezifizierst du noch die dritte Spur explizit als Radspur:
bicycle:lanes=yes|yes|designated|yes

Ich nehme an, dass ein Wechsel von der Abbiegespur nach links nicht erlaubt
ist? Dann bietet sich noch folgendes an:
change:lanes=...|...|...|no

Übrigens - da ein oft gemachter Fehler - falls du lanes=x angeben möchtest,
wäre lanes=3 korrekt, da der Schlüssel lanes nur die Spuren für den
motorisierten Verkehr zählt. Deshalb ist die Anzahl der Werte der
:lanes-Schlüssel (beachte den Doppelpunkt) auch nicht zwingend gleich der
Angabe der Anzahl im lanes-Schlüssel.

bg,
Martin

Am 4. Dezember 2014 um 12:21 schrieb Benjamin Grimm-Lebsanft 
benja...@lebsanft.org:


Hallo zusammen,

ich versuche mich gerade an der Abbiegespurenwochenaufgabe zu beteiligen
und finde zu der, meiner Meinung nach recht häufig vorkommenden,
Fahrradspur-Problematik keine Infos im Wiki.

Anschauungsbeispiel. Von links nach rechts sind die Spuren wie folgt:
geradeaus
geradeaus
Fahrrad
rechts abbiegen

Wie mappe ich jetzt die Fahrradspur? Ist das dann
through|through|cycleway|right?

Vielen Dank für die Hilfe
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Re: [Talk-de] Abbiegespuren mit Fahrradspur

2014-12-04 Per discussione Martin Vonwald
Das Tagging - auch im Beispiel B1 - ist komplett konsistent. Die
lanes-Schlüssel liefern dir die Anzahl der Spuren für den motorisierten
Verkehr. Und die Werte in den xxx:lanes-Schlüssel liefern dir das Layout(!)
und die Eigenschaften aller Spuren. Du musst überhaupt nichts hin und
herschieben, du hast alle Informatione. Kein Widerspruch. Nicht
inkonsistent.


Am 4. Dezember 2014 um 13:36 schrieb Tom Pfeifer t.pfei...@computer.org:

 Ich halte das Tagging in der beschriebenen Form für inkonsistent,
 genau aus dem von Martin unten beschriebenen Grund, lanes sind
 Vollspuren für zweispurige Fahrzeuge.

 lanes=n und die Anzahl der turn:lanes sollten daher zueinander passen,
 andernfalls ist der Router überfordert und wird das Tagging für
 diese Kreuzung als fehlerhaft verwerfen. Das diskutieren wir grade in
 OsmAnd wo derzeit die turn:lanes-layouts eingebaut werden.

 Schaut auch bitte mal die Beispiele (no consensus) an auf
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Cycle_lanes_
 and_bus.2Ftaxi_lanes
 In Beispiel B1, deckt mal die Skizze zu und versucht es aus dem Tagging
 zu rekonstruieren. Ich bekomme 3 lanes angeboten, eine backward, zwei
 forward,
 und habe dann jeweils 5 Werte für access die ich irgendwo nach rechts oder
 links schieben kann.

 Ich halte daher das Problem der zwischengelagerten Halbspuren für
 ungelöst. Vermutlich muss das turn:lanes-Schema um entsprechende
 Werte für Halbspuren ergänzen.

 Tom

 Benjamin Grimm-Lebsanft wrote on 2014-12-04 13:15:

  Hallo Martin,

 danke für die Antwort. Hab mir das gerade am Beispiel der Freiburger
 Kronenbrücke abgeschaut. Danke dass du meine Gedanken nochmal bestätigst!

 Liebe Grüße
 Benjamin

 On 04.12.2014 12:34, Martin Vonwald wrote:

 Der Wert cycleway ist nicht zulässig für turn. Du taggst in turn
 einfach
 alle Abbiegemarkierung:
 turn:lanes=through|through|none|rightbzw.
 turn:lanes=through|through|through|right

 Und idealerweise spezifizierst du noch die dritte Spur explizit als
 Radspur:
 bicycle:lanes=yes|yes|designated|yes

 Ich nehme an, dass ein Wechsel von der Abbiegespur nach links nicht
 erlaubt
 ist? Dann bietet sich noch folgendes an:
 change:lanes=...|...|...|no

 Übrigens - da ein oft gemachter Fehler - falls du lanes=x angeben
 möchtest,
 wäre lanes=3 korrekt, da der Schlüssel lanes nur die Spuren für den
 motorisierten Verkehr zählt. Deshalb ist die Anzahl der Werte der
 :lanes-Schlüssel (beachte den Doppelpunkt) auch nicht zwingend gleich der
 Angabe der Anzahl im lanes-Schlüssel.

 bg,
 Martin

 Am 4. Dezember 2014 um 12:21 schrieb Benjamin Grimm-Lebsanft 
 benja...@lebsanft.org:

  Hallo zusammen,

 ich versuche mich gerade an der Abbiegespurenwochenaufgabe zu beteiligen
 und finde zu der, meiner Meinung nach recht häufig vorkommenden,
 Fahrradspur-Problematik keine Infos im Wiki.

 Anschauungsbeispiel. Von links nach rechts sind die Spuren wie folgt:
 geradeaus
 geradeaus
 Fahrrad
 rechts abbiegen

 Wie mappe ich jetzt die Fahrradspur? Ist das dann
 through|through|cycleway|right?

 Vielen Dank für die Hilfe
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Re: [Talk-de] Screencast-Programm

2014-12-04 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 3. Dezember 2014 um 20:11 schrieb chris66 chris66...@gmx.de:

 flv
 (was immer das sein mag)



flv ist flash video

Gruß,
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Re: [Talk-de] Screencast-Programm

2014-12-04 Per discussione chris66
Am 04.12.2014 15:06, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:

 flv ist flash video

Danke. Etwas verwunderlich dass ein Programm mit Open im Namen so ein
Proprietärformat nutzt. Wo es doch ogg etc. gibt. :)

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Re: [Talk-de] Abbiegespuren mit Fahrradspur

2014-12-04 Per discussione chris66
Am 04.12.2014 13:44, schrieb Martin Vonwald:
 Das Tagging - auch im Beispiel B1 - ist komplett konsistent. Die
 lanes-Schlüssel liefern dir die Anzahl der Spuren für den motorisierten
 Verkehr. Und die Werte in den xxx:lanes-Schlüssel liefern dir das Layout(!)
 und die Eigenschaften aller Spuren. 

korrekt, so steht's auch im ursprünglichen Proposal:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/lanes_General_Extension


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Re: [Talk-de] OSM: NEUe Funktion “Query Features”

2014-12-04 Per discussione Holger Jeromin
tshrub wrote on 02.12.2014 09:24:
 Elstermann, Mike schrieb:
 https://geoobserver.wordpress.com/2014/12/02/osm-neue-funktion-query-features/
  Lange erwartet und nun endlich online, die neue Funktion “Query
 Features” auf der OSM-Hauptseite http://www.openstreetmap.org/.
 Einfacher geht’s nicht:
 1. Werkzeug wählen 2. abzufragendes Objekt anklicken 3. Sachdaten
 ablesen
 Danke und Glückwunsch!
 Auch Danke!
 Super!
 Gut mit dem Legenden-hover gelöst.
 Als Freund des alles auf einen Blick, hätte ich vielleicht die Zeilen 
 etwas weniger luftig gestaltet: für eine Zeile drei ZAbstände ...

Meine rede:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/831

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Re: [Talk-de] Screencast-Programm

2014-12-04 Per discussione Peter Schmidt
Hallo,

ja find ich auch... Man muss sich sehr an das Programm gewöhnen.
Am besten ist es, wenn du 2 Monitore hast, da es sonst zu Aufnahmefehlern
kommen kann, wenn sich die Fenster von OBS und dem Programm, was du
aufnehmen willst, überschneiden.
Ich hab es bei mir so, dass ich an meine GraKa 2 monitorkabel angeschlossen
habe, die an den gleichen Monitor gehen. Ich schalte dann immer den Eingang
um... Ist auch kein weiter Aufwand.

Gruß
Peter
Am 04.12.2014 15:24 schrieb chris66 chris66...@gmx.de:

 Am 04.12.2014 15:06, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:

  flv ist flash video

 Danke. Etwas verwunderlich dass ein Programm mit Open im Namen so ein
 Proprietärformat nutzt. Wo es doch ogg etc. gibt. :)

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[Talk-de] Skandal: Nissum Fjord einfach weg?

2014-12-04 Per discussione Elstermann, Mike
https://geoobserver.wordpress.com/2014/12/05/skandal-nissum-fjord-einfach-weg/ 
Nissum Fjord fehlt bei Bing und GoogleMaps.
Die frohe Botschaft, bei OSM ist der Fjord verlässlich vorhanden! :-)
ALSO OSM!

Danke, mikeE., der geoObserver


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Re: [Talk-it] Incrocio modificato

2014-12-04 Per discussione Volker Schmidt
Ho ancora semplicficato l'incrocio. Mi sembre senza perdere informazione.
Ho anche fatto altre picole correzioni attorno.

Il giorno 2 dicembre 2014 14:31, Federico Cortese cortese...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

 2014-12-02 9:15 GMT+01:00 glaucos glauc...@gmail.com:

  Vai di revert senza remore :-)
 Fatto :-)

  PS: Anche io ho molti edit nel leccese pur essendo di Torino... ma
 perchè a
  Lecce ci vengo un paio di volte l'anno :-)
 Allora, se ti va, quando vieni a Lecce fatti sentire!

 2014-12-02 9:16 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com:
  hai scritto al utente in questione?
 Gli ho scritto subito ieri in contemporanea col messaggio in lista, ma
 non ho avuto ancora nessuna risposta.

 
  Poi vedo altre cose problematiche su questo incrocio. Hai inserito un
 numero
  di ways che  non esistono (solo marchiatura sulla carreggiata):
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991934
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991938
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991939
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991940
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991941
 
  Sarebbero da eliminare e sostituire con lanes e turn restrictions.
 Ho fatto il revert e alcuni aggiustamenti all'incrocio.
 Se puoi dagli ancora un'occhiata: mi farebbe piacere un tuo parere per
 capire se può andare bene così.
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/315454871#map=19/40.36707/18.22073

 Grazie a tutti e due per i consigli.

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Re: [Talk-it] utilizzo di disused:amenity

2014-12-04 Per discussione Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-03 23:06 GMT+01:00 demon.box e.rossin...@alice.it:

 questo è un capanno di caccia palesemente abbandonato/trascurato:

 http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5826184/98351468.jpg

 però mi si potrebbe obiettare che domani mattina il legittimo
 proprietario
 potrebbe andare lì, sistemarlo e ricominciare ad utilizzarlo: quindi
 soltanto amenity=hunting_stand



+1
per me quello potrebbe ancora essere utilizzato, non si vuole molto per un
hunting_stand, ti metti dentro e spari fuori. Non connosco i tempi di
pausa ma credo che non si possa cacciare tutto l'anno e quindo potrebbe
anche essere che in quel periodo non era utilizzato.



quest'altro invece è abbandonato e fatiscente, cioè irrecuperabile:

 http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/file/n5826184/IMG_2555.jpg

 in questo caso?

 disused:amenity=hunting_stand  ??




+1, anche se in teoria recuperabile, dovresti proprio impegnarti un po' per
farlo ;-)


ciao,
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Re: [Talk-it] Incrocio modificato

2014-12-04 Per discussione ualios
ma è sicuro che il tratto www.openstreetmap.org/way/315454871
sia a senso unico? se non sono intervenuti aggiornamenti dalle ortofoto di bing 
(04/2011) sembrerebbe ancora percorribile in entrambi i sensi di marcia... 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Volker Schmidt 
  To: openstreetmap list - italiano 
  Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 9:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [Talk-it] Incrocio modificato


  Ho ancora semplicficato l'incrocio. Mi sembre senza perdere informazione. Ho 
anche fatto altre picole correzioni attorno.



  Il giorno 2 dicembre 2014 14:31, Federico Cortese cortese...@gmail.com ha 
scritto:

2014-12-02 9:15 GMT+01:00 glaucos glauc...@gmail.com:

 Vai di revert senza remore :-)
Fatto :-)

 PS: Anche io ho molti edit nel leccese pur essendo di Torino... ma perchè 
a
 Lecce ci vengo un paio di volte l'anno :-)
Allora, se ti va, quando vieni a Lecce fatti sentire!

2014-12-02 9:16 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com:
 hai scritto al utente in questione?
Gli ho scritto subito ieri in contemporanea col messaggio in lista, ma
non ho avuto ancora nessuna risposta.


 Poi vedo altre cose problematiche su questo incrocio. Hai inserito un 
numero
 di ways che  non esistono (solo marchiatura sulla carreggiata):
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991934
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991938
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991939
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991940
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991941

 Sarebbero da eliminare e sostituire con lanes e turn restrictions.
Ho fatto il revert e alcuni aggiustamenti all'incrocio.
Se puoi dagli ancora un'occhiata: mi farebbe piacere un tuo parere per
capire se può andare bene così.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/315454871#map=19/40.36707/18.22073

Grazie a tutti e due per i consigli.


Federico

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[Talk-it] CoffeeDex

2014-12-04 Per discussione andriatz
Ciao,
segnalo questa bella iniziativa dell'utente tmcw

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tmcw/diary/28138

in pratica un editor per mappare i coffee:prices di tutti gli amenity=cafe.

è una cosa molto utile sopratutto in vista del riuso nel caso una variabile
molto fluttuante come i prezzi venisse aggiornata costantemente.

Ciau
Andria 



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Re: [Talk-it] CoffeeDex

2014-12-04 Per discussione Simone Cortesi
2014-12-04 19:17 GMT+01:00 andriatz andreazedd...@gmail.com:
 segnalo questa bella iniziativa dell'utente tmcw

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/tmcw/diary/28138

 in pratica un editor per mappare i coffee:prices di tutti gli amenity=cafe.

 è una cosa molto utile sopratutto in vista del riuso nel caso una variabile
 molto fluttuante come i prezzi venisse aggiornata costantemente.

è assolutamente GENIALE.

in 500 righe di JS ha fatto un wrapper per iD e di fatto permetti di
creare infiniti editor specializzati in una sola cosa.

grazie per lo share.

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Re: [Talk-it] CoffeeDex

2014-12-04 Per discussione andriatz
Visto che c'era poteva usare coffeescript al posto di JS



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Re: [Talk-it] Incrocio modificato

2014-12-04 Per discussione Volker Schmidt
errore mio.
:-(

Il giorno 4 dicembre 2014 18:36, ualios sky.l...@katamail.com ha scritto:

  ma è sicuro che il tratto www.openstreetmap.org/way/315454871
 sia a senso unico? se non sono intervenuti aggiornamenti dalle ortofoto di
 bing (04/2011) sembrerebbe ancora percorribile in entrambi i sensi di
 marcia...



 - Original Message -
 *From:* Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com
 *To:* openstreetmap list - italiano talk-it@openstreetmap.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 04, 2014 9:28 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Talk-it] Incrocio modificato

 Ho ancora semplicficato l'incrocio. Mi sembre senza perdere informazione.
 Ho anche fatto altre picole correzioni attorno.

 Il giorno 2 dicembre 2014 14:31, Federico Cortese cortese...@gmail.com
 ha scritto:

 2014-12-02 9:15 GMT+01:00 glaucos glauc...@gmail.com:

  Vai di revert senza remore :-)
 Fatto :-)

  PS: Anche io ho molti edit nel leccese pur essendo di Torino... ma
 perchè a
  Lecce ci vengo un paio di volte l'anno :-)
 Allora, se ti va, quando vieni a Lecce fatti sentire!

 2014-12-02 9:16 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com:
  hai scritto al utente in questione?
 Gli ho scritto subito ieri in contemporanea col messaggio in lista, ma
 non ho avuto ancora nessuna risposta.

 
  Poi vedo altre cose problematiche su questo incrocio. Hai inserito un
 numero
  di ways che  non esistono (solo marchiatura sulla carreggiata):
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991934
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991938
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991939
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991940
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294991941
 
  Sarebbero da eliminare e sostituire con lanes e turn restrictions.
 Ho fatto il revert e alcuni aggiustamenti all'incrocio.
 Se puoi dagli ancora un'occhiata: mi farebbe piacere un tuo parere per
 capire se può andare bene così.
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/315454871#map=19/40.36707/18.22073

 Grazie a tutti e due per i consigli.

 Federico

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[Talk-at] OSM Stammtisch Wr. Neustadt

2014-12-04 Per discussione Thomas Rupprecht
Hallo liebe OSM'ler,

Ich veranstalte am 18.12.2014 ab 18 Uhr wieder einen OSM Stammtisch auf
der FH Wr. Neustadt.

Nähere Informationen zum Stammtisch gibts auf der Wiki Seite unter:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiener_Neustadt/Stammtisch

Ich würde euch bitten eure gewünschten Themen im Wiki einzutragen, dann
kann ich schon etwas recherchieren um etwaige Fragen beantworten zu können.

Auf euer kommen freut sich
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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] Talk-it-trentino Digest, Vol 36, Issue 1

2014-12-04 Per discussione Michele Malfatti
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 2014-12-03 22:38 GMT+01:00 piem...@yahoo.it piem...@yahoo.it:
 
 So che molti storgeranno il naso: mi era stato chiesto di tenere una serata 
 simile per una piccola sezione di periferia. Poi non se n'è fatto niente per 
 varie ragioni. Noi avevam pensato peró di presentare le possibilitá di 
 utilizzo dello smartphone nell'escursionismo, pensando in tal modo di 
 ampliare un po' la platea degli interessati...prevedere qualche cenno anche 
 su questo?
 
 si verrà trattato anche questo, comunque non credo che lo smartphone
 sia lo strumento adatto per la montagna per i seguenti motivi:
 - durata molto bassa della batteria
 - gps di qualità solitamente bassa
 - più fragile
 
 Ciao ciao
 Pietro
 
 
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 Nei prossimi giorni vedo di contattare la sede centrale SAT per chiedere 
 la disponibilità di pubblicizzare l'iniziativa tramite i loro canali
 
 
 per Pietro:
 C'è la possibilità di riagganciare i contatti con questa sezione SAT e 
 vedere se sono ancora interessati? Li vuoi contatare tu o mi mandi in 
 privato il nome della sezione che li sento io?
 
 ciao
 
 Dario Zontini
 
 
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 So che molti storgeranno il naso: mi era stato chiesto di tenere una 
 serata simile per una piccola sezione di periferia. Poi non se n'è 
 fatto niente per varie ragioni. Noi avevam pensato peró di presentare 
 le possibilitá di utilizzo dello smartphone nell'escursionismo, 
 pensando in tal modo di ampliare un po' la platea degli 
 interessati...prevedere qualche cenno anche su questo?
 
 Ciao ciao
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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] incontri con sezioni CAI SAT

2014-12-04 Per discussione piem...@yahoo.it
comunque non credo che lo smartphone
sia lo strumento adatto per la montagna per i
 seguenti motivi:

- durata molto bassa della batteria

Boh...io finora sui due che ho avuto partendo bello carico la mattina e 
togliendo la connessione dati son riuscito a fare 8-9 ore di traccia...
Poi con 20 euro ti prendi una batteria esterna e ti fai 2-3 giorni

- gps di qualità solitamente bassa

Sí sicuramente sará inferiore a quella di un apparecchio dedicato, peró non 
direi che non sia sufficiente per un utilizzo escursionistico. Io perlomeno lo 
utilizzo regolarmente e con allarme rotta e allarme waypoint non ho mai avuto 
particolari problemi a seguire le mie rotte, salvo ovviamente in boschi fitti e 
molto ripidi o in gole rocciose, ma in queste situazioni mi abbandonava anche 
il gps

- più fragile

Questo è senz'altro vero. Io ho provato a risolvere acquistando uno smartphone 
rinforzato che dovrebbe essere a prova di caduta...finora l'ho testato con un 
paio di voli dalla bici e direi che ha superato il test

Poi ci sono anche alcuni lati positivi dello smartphone:

- il costo ( 0 se lo hai giá)
- il display grande
- il collegamento internet per visualizzare mappe online e inviare e ricevere 
tracce

Ciao ciao
Pietro


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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] incontri con sezioni CAI SAT

2014-12-04 Per discussione Marco Ciampa
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 07:16:35AM +, Dario Zontini wrote:
 Nei prossimi giorni vedo di contattare la sede centrale SAT per
 chiedere la disponibilità di pubblicizzare l'iniziativa tramite i
 loro canali

Una volta presi accordi si può allargare l'iniziativa ad altri?
Che so pubblicare l'annuncio sul sito del LinuxTrent...

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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] incontri con sezioni CAI SAT

2014-12-04 Per discussione Dario Zontini


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Inviato: 04/12/2014 16:09:20
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it-trentino] incontri con sezioni CAI SAT


On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 07:16:35AM +, Dario Zontini wrote:

 Nei prossimi giorni vedo di contattare la sede centrale SAT per
 chiedere la disponibilità di pubblicizzare l'iniziativa tramite i
 loro canali


Una volta presi accordi si può allargare l'iniziativa ad altri?
Che so pubblicare l'annuncio sul sito del LinuxTrent...

certo, più pubblicità facciamo meglio è.

Io ho pensato alla SAT perchè ha più di 20.000 soci, ma si potrebbe 
pensare anche ad altre associazioni come VVF, associazioni ciclistiche o 
altre che potrebbero essere interesate ad usare OSM e GPS


Dario Zontini


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Re: [Talk-ro] Din nou despre coduri postale

2014-12-04 Per discussione Razvan Radulescu
Dar nu poti modifica procesul asta astfel incat sa ai mai multe numere 
introduse deodata pe un changeset? Acum vad ca este numarul si 
changesetul. La cateva mii de numere o sa fie ditamai sirul de 
changeseturi. Poate ii apuca pandaliile pe cei de la dwg...


Razvan

On 04.12.2014 09:36, Strainu wrote:
Restul or fi avut deja cod poștal sau au ceva probleme și nu se 
mapează pe datele de la posta. O sa studiez problema diseară.


Strainu

On 4 decembrie 2014 08:33:18 EET, Gabriel Sebastian Moise 
gabrielsebastianmo...@gmail.com wrote:


Si eu cred ca ar fi trebuit sa fie mai multe, am bagat si eu
cateva mii Posiibl sa fie vorba de 40 000, sau cum ar fi fost
400 000 ? :D :P

În data de 4 decembrie 2014, 06:11, razor74 [via GIS] [hidden
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Salut,

Cred ca trebuia sa pui inca un 0 la cifra aia :) si tot nu
ajungeai la cate au fost adaugate cu adevarat. Sau robotul de
coduri a sarit mare parte din ele... Numai in Bucuresti am
adaugat  peste 50.000 de numere anul acesta. 4000 de numere au
fost adaugate numai in cartierul Ferentari...

On 04.12.2014 01:32, Strainu wrote:

Salut,

La cererea publicului am mai dat o rulare cu robotul de
coduri postale și am rămas uimit de numărul mare de adrese
adăugate în ultimele 6 luni : aproape 4000. Felicitări celor
care și-au dedicat timpul acestei activități!

Ca de obicei, dacă găsiți probleme cu munca robotului va rog
să-mi spuneți cat mai repede, ca sa pot repara.

Vestea proasta e ca pagina de erori a devenit atât de mare
încât nu mai poate fi salvată pe wiki. :) Are cineva
(Ciprian, Alex M? ) idee dacă regulile pentru erori pot fi
integrate în osmose? Se folosesc datele de la posta romana în
comparație, nu sunt reguli independente.

Seara buna,
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Re: [Talk-ro] Din nou despre coduri postale

2014-12-04 Per discussione Razvan Radulescu
Aa, nu era vorba de ascuns ceva ci de faptul ca e ca un flood. Prea 
multe changeseturi ca idee... Nu am nimic de obiectat personal. Doar sa 
nu le omoram astora de la osm serverul...



On 04.12.2014 16:10, Strainu wrote:

Pot, dar nu e recomandabil. E mai ușor să repari multe editări mici
(care sunt ori corecte ori incorecte) decât una mare parțial greșită.

În plus, nu încerc să ascund faptul că e vorba de un import. Editările
le fac dintr-un cont special și fiecare operațiune a fost discutată
mai întâi pe listă. Dacă cineva are ceva de comentat o să discutăm
obiecțiile existente și o să vedem ce se poate face.

Strainu

În data de 4 decembrie 2014, 14:23, Razvan Radulescu
radulescu.raz...@gmail.com a scris:

Dar nu poti modifica procesul asta astfel incat sa ai mai multe numere
introduse deodata pe un changeset? Acum vad ca este numarul si changesetul.
La cateva mii de numere o sa fie ditamai sirul de changeseturi. Poate ii
apuca pandaliile pe cei de la dwg...

Razvan


On 04.12.2014 09:36, Strainu wrote:

Restul or fi avut deja cod poștal sau au ceva probleme și nu se mapează pe
datele de la posta. O sa studiez problema diseară.

Strainu

On 4 decembrie 2014 08:33:18 EET, Gabriel Sebastian Moise
gabrielsebastianmo...@gmail.com wrote:

Si eu cred ca ar fi trebuit sa fie mai multe, am bagat si eu cateva
mii Posiibl sa fie vorba de 40 000, sau cum ar fi fost 400 000 ? :D :P

În data de 4 decembrie 2014, 06:11, razor74 [via GIS] [hidden email] a
scris:

Salut,

Cred ca trebuia sa pui inca un 0 la cifra aia :) si tot nu ajungeai la
cate au fost adaugate cu adevarat. Sau robotul de coduri a sarit mare
parte din ele... Numai in Bucuresti am adaugat  peste 50.000 de numere anul
acesta. 4000 de numere au fost adaugate numai in cartierul Ferentari...

On 04.12.2014 01:32, Strainu wrote:

Salut,

La cererea publicului am mai dat o rulare cu robotul de coduri postale și
am rămas uimit de numărul mare de adrese adăugate în ultimele 6 luni :
aproape 4000. Felicitări celor care și-au dedicat timpul acestei activități!

Ca de obicei, dacă găsiți probleme cu munca robotului va rog să-mi
spuneți cat mai repede, ca sa pot repara.

Vestea proasta e ca pagina de erori a devenit atât de mare încât nu mai
poate fi salvată pe wiki. :) Are cineva (Ciprian, Alex M? ) idee dacă
regulile pentru erori pot fi integrate în osmose? Se folosesc datele de la
posta romana în comparație, nu sunt reguli independente.

Seara buna,
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Re: [Talk-ro] Din nou despre coduri postale

2014-12-04 Per discussione Strainu
În data de 4 decembrie 2014, 17:56, Razvan Radulescu
radulescu.raz...@gmail.com a scris:
 Aa, nu era vorba de ascuns ceva ci de faptul ca e ca un flood. Prea multe
 changeseturi ca idee... Nu am nimic de obiectat personal. Doar sa nu le
 omoram astora de la osm serverul...


O să pun un sleep la următoarea rulare, just to be on the safe side.
Mulțumesc de observație.

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Re: [Talk-pt] Coming to Portugal on New Year

2014-12-04 Per discussione f . dos . santos
Hi Ilya,

It's good to have some people coming to Portugal to do some mapping ;-)

As I'm not in the country, I can't welcome you but we've already met at the 
SOTM-EU, on Saturday night we were eating at the same table. So it's good to 
hear from you engaging the portuguese community.

The country is small and so are the community, but we are great people :-)

Personaly I've managed to do 2 meetings in Portugal on August to celebrate 
OSM's birthday.
It's not always easy as the members are far away from each other but it's 
something I encourage you to try.
If Victor is available (I hope is listening) you'll be able to do a meeting in 
Lisbon.
For all the people near Lisbon I'll recomend going to such informal meeting, 
it's always good to have some outsider view/discussion and Ilya is a well 
known OSM international member.

And in your way to Porto, if you want to stop in some city (for example Coimbra 
or Aveiro), it will make some other portuguese member less jealous ;-)

I'm very interested in this live radio stuff, could you give us some more 
details ?

Obrigado

Francisco


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From: Ilya Zverev i...@zverev.info
To: talk-pt@openstreetmap.org
Date: 04/12/2014 14:17:28
Subject: [Talk-pt] Coming to Portugal on New Year

Hi! I'm Ilya Zverev from Russia, editor of shtosm.ru and sometimes
a mapper. From 29 Dec to 3 Jan I'll be in Lisbon, and then I'll be
travelling to Sintra and Porto. Do portugese mappers meet in person?
It would be great to meet OSM members and discuss the country,
the project and the community.

Also I will be doing live radio on 7th of January (8-9 pm) in Porto,
and maybe we can make it together with somebody local.

IZ


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Re: [Talk-cz] Preklad terminu o mostech?

2014-12-04 Per discussione jzvc

Dne 2.12.2014 v 15:23 Jan Martinec napsal(a):

On 12/02/2014 03:15 PM, Marián Kyral wrote:

Taky bych občas něco přeložil, ale Lauchpad nemám rád, přesun na Transifex
nevyšel a náhradní řešení (JOSM Trac) zatím není a asi ještě dost dlouho nebude.

Marián


V Launchpadu lze vyžádat export do formátu PO, ten lze poměrně komfortně
editovat PoEditem, načež to zas nahraješ zpět.


A ono to i funguje? Ja totiz zkousel naposledy neco v prekladu opravit 
tak pred 1/2 rokem, a od ty doby se uz ani nesnazim, ze 30ti pokusu bylo 
30 timeoutu.


Nevyhoda editovani PO je predevsim v tom, ze pokud to dela vic nez jeden 
clovek, jste jaksi v ...


Na tracu staci udelat vlastni vetev ne? Zadny slozitosti, dyk je to text 
a svn. Sice to porad neni web pro bfu, ale lepsi nez dratem do oka ;D. 
Nahazoval sem k tomu bugu link na translatewiki - po tom co bylo receno, 
ze transifex je nepouzitelnej. Je tam preklad osm, moh by byt i josm.




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Re: [Talk-cz] Hlášení budov

2014-12-04 Per discussione jzvc

Dne 2.12.2014 v 12:38 Petr Vejsada napsal(a):

Ahoj,

jen upřesnění - hlášení neplatných budov má dvojí účel - jednak sběr dat pro
ČÚZK (i když nejsem na ničem dohodnut) a druhý účel je pro nás, aby nikdo
nemapoval zbourané budovy apod.

Zbouranou budovu či chybu typu SO není budovou nejspíš na ČÚZK hlásit
nebudeme, a to bez ohledu na zaškrtnutý či nezaškrtnutý čtvereček. Není to
totiž chyba - že je budova zbouraná z pohledu práva nejspíš nic neznamená a
ČÚZK asi nemá důvod s tím cokoli dělat - asi by musel majitel budovy oficiálně
požádat o výmaz, nevím.

No to jen pro info.

Cus, a nebylo by zahodno, aby v katastru byla informace o tom, ze budova 
fyzicky nestoji? Navic mam neodbytny pocit, ze budovu si jen tak zbourat 
stejne nemuzes, a potrebudes na to nejaky lejstro.


... i kdyz ... pokud ji vyuzijes jako sklad munice a zaridis nejaky 
nedopatreni ... ;D



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Re: [Talk-cz] Preklad terminu o mostech?

2014-12-04 Per discussione Jan Martinec
On 12/04/2014 12:30 PM, jzvc wrote:
 Dne 2.12.2014 v 15:23 Jan Martinec napsal(a):
 On 12/02/2014 03:15 PM, Marián Kyral wrote:
 Taky bych občas něco přeložil, ale Lauchpad nemám rád, přesun na Transifex
 nevyšel a náhradní řešení (JOSM Trac) zatím není a asi ještě dost dlouho 
 nebude.

 Marián

 V Launchpadu lze vyžádat export do formátu PO, ten lze poměrně komfortně
 editovat PoEditem, načež to zas nahraješ zpět.
 
 A ono to i funguje? Ja totiz zkousel naposledy neco v prekladu opravit tak 
 pred
 1/2 rokem, a od ty doby se uz ani nesnazim, ze 30ti pokusu bylo 30 timeoutu.
 
Ono to i funguje; aspoň co jsem dělal tenhle a minulý měsíc. Zřejmě nasadili víc
železa: je to několik sekund na page load, ale holt není každej Google.
Nefunguje vyhledávání, ale to jsem zjistil až po dost dlouhé době používání.

 Nevyhoda editovani PO je predevsim v tom, ze pokud to dela vic nez jeden 
 clovek,
 jste jaksi v ...
Launchpad ty PO soubory umí poměrně příčetně slučovat - z mých včerejších pár
desítek editů mi vyhodil asi čtyři s tím, že je mezitím někdo změnil v databázi,
a tudíž ty moje (starší) zahodil; nic extra tragickýho.

 
 Na tracu staci udelat vlastni vetev ne? Zadny slozitosti, dyk je to text a 
 svn.
 Sice to porad neni web pro bfu, ale lepsi nez dratem do oka ;D. Nahazoval sem 
 k
 tomu bugu link na translatewiki - po tom co bylo receno, ze transifex je
 nepouzitelnej. Je tam preklad osm, moh by byt i josm.
Jistě by to šlo, ale nevidím důvod; osobně bych řekl, že 1. existující nástroje
fungují dostatečně a 2. nemám čas se přetahovat s ostatními uživateli, že bych
chtěl něco masivně překopat (páč na změny v překladech je evidentně navázaný
minimálně build) a proč, když to nějak funguje. (Pokud by mě to fungování
výrazně víc štvalo, možná bych se do toho bodu 2 i chtěl pustit)

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Re: [Talk-cz] Hlášení budov

2014-12-04 Per discussione Jan Dudík
stačí pár desítek let nevyužívat a spadne sama i bez lejstra i bez munice...

JAnD


Dne 4. prosince 2014 12:36 jzvc j...@tpfree.net napsal(a):
 Dne 2.12.2014 v 12:38 Petr Vejsada napsal(a):

 Ahoj,

 jen upřesnění - hlášení neplatných budov má dvojí účel - jednak sběr dat
 pro
 ČÚZK (i když nejsem na ničem dohodnut) a druhý účel je pro nás, aby nikdo
 nemapoval zbourané budovy apod.

 Zbouranou budovu či chybu typu SO není budovou nejspíš na ČÚZK hlásit
 nebudeme, a to bez ohledu na zaškrtnutý či nezaškrtnutý čtvereček. Není to
 totiž chyba - že je budova zbouraná z pohledu práva nejspíš nic neznamená
 a
 ČÚZK asi nemá důvod s tím cokoli dělat - asi by musel majitel budovy
 oficiálně
 požádat o výmaz, nevím.

 No to jen pro info.

 Cus, a nebylo by zahodno, aby v katastru byla informace o tom, ze budova
 fyzicky nestoji? Navic mam neodbytny pocit, ze budovu si jen tak zbourat
 stejne nemuzes, a potrebudes na to nejaky lejstro.

 ... i kdyz ... pokud ji vyuzijes jako sklad munice a zaridis nejaky
 nedopatreni ... ;D


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Re: [Talk-cz] Chodníky vedle silnic

2014-12-04 Per discussione Pavel Machek
On Thu 2014-12-04 06:02:07, Petr Holub wrote:
   Takže se používají oba způsoby a je jedno, který budu používat? Ono mi
   totiž dávat chodníky pro pěší na objekt značící silnice nepřijde zrovna
   přehledné...
  
  
  Cus, znaceni chodniku na ulici je urceno predevsim na klasicke mestske
  ulice, kde je chodnik soucasti = zadne travnate ostruvky, ale jen
  silnice, chodniky a budovy kolem. Neznam ale zadny vystup, ktery by to
  bral v potaz (krom stylopisu pro JOSM).
 
 Myslim, ze uz se to tu taky nekdy v historii diskutovalo - jak pise
 jzvc, pokud chodnik primo navazuje na vozovku (a obrubnik bych nepovazoval
 za oddeleni, na rozdil od travnich pasu, vyzdivek apod.), tak bych
 to znacil na te ceste.
 
 Geodata z meho pohledu predstavuji jistou abstrakci reality (jinak bychom
 zacali mapovat za chvili jednotlive dlazebni kostky) a je vhodne se domluvit
 na tom, co je ucelne a co uz ne. A pak to zacit jednak standardizovat
 u nas a jednak tlacit i do svetove komunity. Dovedu si predstavit, ze na
 urovni CR budeme mit trochu presnejsi pravidla, ktera na te globalni
 urovni nebudou vhodna/protlacitelna, ale nesmi mezi sebou byt v konfliktu.

Ja myslim, ze kvalita mapy uz pokrocila, a dava smysl mapovat chodniky
u silnic.

Treba pro koleckovy brusle je zajimava kvalita povrchu chodniku... a
mame na to tagy, ale jsou to stejny tagy ktery se pouzivaj na silnici,
a muze se lisit povrch jednoho chodniku, silnice a druhyho chodniku,
takze dava smysl znackovat to zvlast. Taky treba turisticka znacka
vede po konkretni strane silnice, coz je uzitecna informace, nebo je
na chodniku cyklostezka...

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Re: [Talk-cz] Osmose Česká republika (fwd)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Kasparek Tomas
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 04:53:49PM +0100, Kasparek Tomas wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:28:21PM +0100, Petr Schönmann wrote:
  Kraje si můžeš rozřezat pomocí osmconvert a poly souborů ( pro cz ---
  http://garmin.openstreetmap.cz/kraje/kraje/ ) Počítám že to francouzi
  takhle dělají taky když osmconvert používají :)
 
 koukal jsem, vyzkousim. Jak vyrobit tyhle soubory abych mel aktualni navod
 nekde nemas?

Uz se to rozjelo, jeste se budou ladit veci, ale:

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=czech_republic_*

testy jsou vetsinou v pythonu s vyuzitim externich nastroju. Nektere bude
potreba upravit aby davaly pro CZ smysl - treba test na adresu:

http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=czech_republic_*item=2060class=10

u nas rve na vsech evidencnich cislech apod. Dale bude asi fajn udelat
nejake preklady ale do toho se mozna casem pustim sam. U testu bych vsak
privital pomoc, ma nekdo zajem?

Jinak jako side-effect jsou k dispozici extrakty kraju:

http://download.openstreetmap.fr/extracts/europe/czech_republic/

resp. doprovodne veci:
http://download.openstreetmap.fr/polygons/europe/czech_republic/
http://download.openstreetmap.fr/replication/europe/czech_republic/

(jeste s nima mozna rozjedu polsko, kdyz je vedle ale to uz sem asi
nepatri)

Toz tak :-)

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Re: [Talk-cz] Osmose Česká republika (fwd)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Kasparek Tomas
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 06:16:02PM +0100, Kasparek Tomas wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 04:53:49PM +0100, Kasparek Tomas wrote:
  On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:28:21PM +0100, Petr Schönmann wrote:
   Kraje si můžeš rozřezat pomocí osmconvert a poly souborů ( pro cz ---
   http://garmin.openstreetmap.cz/kraje/kraje/ ) Počítám že to francouzi
   takhle dělají taky když osmconvert používají :)
  
  koukal jsem, vyzkousim. Jak vyrobit tyhle soubory abych mel aktualni navod
  nekde nemas?
 
 Uz se to rozjelo, jeste se budou ladit veci, ale:
 http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=czech_republic_*

jeste lze pomoci s prekladem, Petr uz tam koukam je, neco jsem prelozil,
neni toho tak moc:

https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/osmose/

system pro preklad se tu nedavno resil nekde jinde, tady je to ve finale
.po, asi lze pres github i nejak naprimo, nezjistoval jsem.

Bye

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Re: [Talk-cz] Automaticka kalibrace (was Re: Posunutá mapa?)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Pavel Machek
AhoJ!

  Byl by nekdo schopnej UHUL pustit tak aby byl spolehlive k dispozici?
  Myslim ze kalibrace proti UHULu je asi nejlepsi...
 
 pamatuji se dobre, ze Ty to mas cele stazene? Kolik toho je?

Mam, je toho 1.6GB. (Par lidi tu uz ma kopie).

  Melo by to jit vzit i automaticky -- spocitat korelaci mezi dvema
  obrazkama by nemela byt az takova kovbojka, a tim by melo jit
  automaticky spocitat offsety pro posun Bingu
 
 Jo a ne. Ja se pri rucnim zarovnavani snazim vyuzit objekty, ktere
 jsou primo na povrchu a nemaji 3D charakter, abych se vyhnul
 problemum s uklonem, ktery treba u Bingu umi byt docela nezanedbatelny,
 jak tady uz ostatne zminoval Hanoj. Cili asi by to prvne chtelo nejakou
 feature extraction pred tim, nez budu delat minimalizaci ctvercu.

No... tim by se to posunulo dost mimo rozume implementovatelnou
vec. Vyskovych budov je par, jsou ve velkych mestech -- a asi by slo
vyhlasit sorry, chyba, tady to proste nesedi... a mesta v panelakama
delat rucne.
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Re: [Talk-cz] Osmose Česká republika (fwd)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Michal Pustějovský
S překladem velice rád pomůžu.



-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Kasparek Tomas kaspa...@fit.vutbr.cz
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 4. 12. 2014 20:36:02
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Osmose Česká republika (fwd)

On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 06:16:02PM +0100, Kasparek Tomas wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 04:53:49PM +0100, Kasparek Tomas wrote:
  On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 12:28:21PM +0100, Petr Schönmann wrote:
   Kraje si můžeš rozřezat pomocí osmconvert a poly souborů ( pro cz ---
   http://garmin.openstreetmap.cz/kraje/kraje/ ) Počítám že to francouzi
   takhle dělají taky když osmconvert používají :)
  
  koukal jsem, vyzkousim. Jak vyrobit tyhle soubory abych mel aktualni 
navod
  nekde nemas?
 
 Uz se to rozjelo, jeste se budou ladit veci, ale:
 http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/en/errors/?country=czech_republic_*

jeste lze pomoci s prekladem, Petr uz tam koukam je, neco jsem prelozil,
neni toho tak moc:

https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/osmose/

system pro preklad se tu nedavno resil nekde jinde, tady je to ve finale
.po, asi lze pres github i nejak naprimo, nezjistoval jsem.

Bye

-- 

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CVT FIT VUT Brno, L127 jabber: tomas.kaspa...@jabber.cz
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Re: [Talk-cz] Automaticka kalibrace (was Re: Posunutá mapa?)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Petr Holub
  Jo a ne. Ja se pri rucnim zarovnavani snazim vyuzit objekty, ktere
  jsou primo na povrchu a nemaji 3D charakter, abych se vyhnul
  problemum s uklonem, ktery treba u Bingu umi byt docela nezanedbatelny,
  jak tady uz ostatne zminoval Hanoj. Cili asi by to prvne chtelo nejakou
  feature extraction pred tim, nez budu delat minimalizaci ctvercu.
 
 No... tim by se to posunulo dost mimo rozume implementovatelnou
 vec. Vyskovych budov je par, jsou ve velkych mestech -- a asi by slo
 vyhlasit sorry, chyba, tady to proste nesedi... a mesta v panelakama
 delat rucne.

Ono se to bohuzel v Bingu obcas tyka i rodinych domku - ten uhel snimani
je bohuzel prilis velky a i ty domecky byvaji poznaklapene docela
dramaticky. Jak psal Hanoj, holt jsou to snimky druhe kategorie, ale
rozhodne lepsi jak dratem do voka ;o)

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Re: [Talk-cz] Hlášení budov

2014-12-04 Per discussione Petr Souček
 

Dobrý večer,

 

úplně sice nerozumíme termínu SO není budovou, ale pokusím se odpovědět
:-). 

 

O hlášení, že budova fyzicky neexistuje v terénu, určitě zájem máme. Pošleme
to editorovi (stavební úřad nebo obec) a ten by měl provést místní šetření a
následně konat, tj. vydat rozhodnutí o neexistenci stavby a stavby odstranit
z RÚIAN.

 

Jen je potřeba rozlišovat případy, kdy stavba opravdu nemá existovat - např.
na místě existuje polygon budovy v mapě a v terénu žádná budova není. V
tomto případě by se mělo hlásit odstranění stavebního objektu. 

 

Ovšem v případě, kdy je budova lokalizovaná pouze definičním bodem, tak je
potřeba vzít v úvahu, že může být chyba v definičním bodu. A ta budova sice
existuje, ale lokalizována je někde jinde. 

 

Na oba tyto případy připravujeme reklamační formuláře, jak jednorázové
(webový formulář), tak hromadné (strukturované XML). Já vím, že to slibuji
už dlouho, ale je to komplikovanější než jsem čekal. Rád bych Vám to slíbil
jako vánoční dárek, ale uvidíme :-)

 

Minimálně se můžete přijet podívat na GIS Ostrava 2015, kde moji dva
kolegové budou mít na toto téma přednášku. Tam už by to mělo fungovat v plné
kráse :-)

 

Mějte se prima Petr Souček

 

 

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From: Petr Vejsada [ mailto:o...@propsychology.cz
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Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:39 PM

To:  mailto:talk-cz@openstreetmap.org talk-cz@openstreetmap.org

Subject: [Talk-cz] Hlášení budov

 

Ahoj,

 

jen upřesnění - hlášení neplatných budov má dvojí účel - jednak sběr dat

pro ČÚZK (i když nejsem na ničem dohodnut) a druhý účel je pro nás, aby

nikdo nemapoval zbourané budovy apod.

 

Zbouranou budovu či chybu typu SO není budovou nejspíš na ČÚZK hlásit

nebudeme, a to bez ohledu na zaškrtnutý či nezaškrtnutý čtvereček. Není to

totiž chyba - že je budova zbouraná z pohledu práva nejspíš nic neznamená a

ČÚZK asi nemá důvod s tím cokoli dělat - asi by musel majitel budovy

oficiálně požádat o výmaz, nevím.

 

No to jen pro info.

 

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Re: [Talk-cz] Hlášení budov

2014-12-04 Per discussione Jan Dudík
Dne 4. prosince 2014 22:57 Petr Souček souc...@atlas.cz napsal(a):


 Dobrý večer,

 úplně sice nerozumíme termínu „SO není budovou“, ale pokusím se odpovědět
 :-).

 Mějte se prima Petr Souček


Co třeba:
46874852 - kryt civilní ochrany pod silnicí - je nebo není budovou?
Objekt fyzicky existje, ale zároveň není budovou jako takovou...

JAnD

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Re: [Talk-cz] Hlášení budov

2014-12-04 Per discussione Petr Vejsada
Dne Čt 4. prosince 2014 23:17:15, Jan Dudík napsal(a):

 Dne 4. prosince 2014 22:57 Petr Souček souc...@atlas.cz napsal(a):
  Dobrý večer,
  
  úplně sice nerozumíme termínu „SO není budovou“, ale pokusím se odpovědět
  
  :-).
  
  Mějte se prima Petr Souček
 
 Co třeba:
 46874852 - kryt civilní ochrany pod silnicí - je nebo není budovou?
 Objekt fyzicky existje, ale zároveň není budovou jako takovou...

ano, tak jsem to myslel - mostní pilíře, podzemní garáže, zdymadla - to není 
chyba, to je informace pro mapery, aby někoho nenapadlo to zakreslit jako 
budovu. Většinou se to splést nedá, ale mohlo by to zmást boty, které třeba v 
budoucnu budou.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Hlášení budov

2014-12-04 Per discussione Petr Vejsada
Dobrý den,

Dne Čt 4. prosince 2014 22:57:40, Petr Souček napsal(a):

 O hlášení, že budova fyzicky neexistuje v terénu, určitě zájem máme. Pošleme
 to editorovi (stavební úřad nebo obec) a ten by měl provést místní šetření
 a následně konat, tj. vydat rozhodnutí o neexistenci stavby a stavby
 odstranit z RÚIAN.

máme na to kód, tedy určitě bude možné si vytřídit třeba pouze hlášení tohoto 
typu.

 Ovšem v případě, kdy je budova lokalizovaná pouze definičním bodem, tak je
 potřeba vzít v úvahu, že může být chyba v definičním bodu. A ta budova sice
 existuje, ale lokalizována je někde jinde.

Budovy jen s definičním bodem momentálně do zpracování zahrnuté nejsou a 
(zatím?) nic takového ani neplánuji.

Trochu se obávám, že když pustím export červených duchů, tedy situací, kdy 
definiční bod je daleko od polygonu budovy, tak že by to zahltilo katastrální 
pracoviště na hodně dlouhou dobu ;-) Ostatně ten rudý duch s 221 km dlouhou 
spojnicí v RUIAN stále je - definiční bod je v Klatovech a polygon v Poličce.

K těm XML formulářům - momentálně shromažďujeme jen druh chyby, kód SO a 
poznámku, případně jméno reportéra a kontakt na něho. Neměli bychom ty údaje 
nějak rozšířit? Už víte, jaké informace budete potřebovat k hladkému 
nahlášení/reklamování? Chci se vyhnout situaci, kdy budeme mít shromážděnu 
řadu SO pro nahlášení a pak zjistíme, že je třeba u všech nějaký údaj doplnit.

Rád bych i nějakou zpětnou vazbu o přijetí reklamace, aby bylo možné si tuto 
informaci poznamenat do databáze, alespoň pro vyloučení duplicit.

 Na oba tyto případy připravujeme reklamační formuláře, jak jednorázové
 (webový formulář), tak hromadné (strukturované XML). Já vím, že to slibuji
 už dlouho, ale je to komplikovanější než jsem čekal. Rád bych Vám to slíbil
 jako vánoční dárek, ale uvidíme :-)

Tak se těším :-)

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Re: [Talk-cz] LPIS duplicity

2014-12-04 Per discussione Martin Švec - OSM

On 4.12.2014 12:53, Martin Švec - OSM wrote:

Dne 3.12.2014 20:05, Petr Vejsada napsal(a):

Ahoj,

On Wed, Dec 03, 2014 at 07:37:16PM +0100, Martin Švec - OSM wrote:


No potěš koště... Někdo ignoruje warningy JOSM validátoru? Nebo jsou případy 
které JOSM neodchytí?

já jsem se akce trasování polí prakticky vůbec neúčastnil, začal jsem až
s trasováním těch RUIAN lands, nicméně zachytil jsem jeden případ, kdy
JOSM varoval před něčím jako otevírací doba obchodu či co, otevírací dobu
obchodu jsem opravil a teprve pak zařval na duplicitní landuse. 100%
jsem na to nesahal; JOSM si toho všiml až napodruhé.


Ještě by mě zajímaly LPIS pole, kde průnik s jiným polygonem je roven tomu LPIS 
poli a zároveň s ním
pole sdílí většinu svých uzlů. Tj. kde se místo ořezu sousedního polygonu udělalo 
sjednocení. Když
jsem v září obcházel lesní multipolygony, nacházel jsem jich spoustu.

http://pedro.poloha.net/osm/pole.ods

není toho moc a seznam nemusí být úplně spolehlivý, protože relace a outer
a inner. Je tam jedna dvojice, kdy na relaci je farmland a na outer je
forest. Zbytek jsem nezkoumal. Neděs se, je to asi 20 řádků.

Díky. Jen tak málo? Zvláštní. Podle toho co jsem opravoval na lesních 
multipolygonech jsem jich
čekal až stovky. Je pravda že to byly ty největší multipolygony s více outer 
cestami, asi na to byly
náchylnější.


Tak a jsou opraveny. Už vím proč jich bylo tak málo :-) Tys našel jen překryvy, 
kde _oba_ polygony byly plošně téměř totožné.

Podmínky pro polygony L a F by měly vypadat asi takto, aby našly haluze po LPIS 
traceru:

* plocha(L) průnik plocha(F) = plocha(L);
* množina_uzlů(L) průnik množina_uzlů(F) = víc než cca 90% z množiny_uzlů(L).

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Re: [Talk-cz] LPIS duplicity

2014-12-04 Per discussione Petr Vejsada
Ahoj,

Dne Pá 5. prosince 2014 00:59:05, Martin Švec - OSM napsal(a):

 Tak a jsou opraveny. Už vím proč jich bylo tak málo  Tys našel jen překryvy,
 kde _oba_ polygony byly plošně téměř totožné.
 
 Podmínky pro polygony L a F by měly vypadat asi takto, aby našly haluze po
 LPIS traceru:
 
 * plocha(L) průnik plocha(F) = plocha(L);
 * množina_uzlů(L) průnik množina_uzlů(F) = víc než cca 90% z
 množiny_uzlů(L).

ten algo je dělaný na to, aby nalezl dvojice překrývajících se ploch a 
rozhodl, kterého člena z té dvojice v OSM zachová a kterého smaže. Nalezne-li 
tedy nějakou dvojici, žádného člena z té dvojice už nepoužije v jiné dvojici. 
Prostě se najde, co se má smazat. Další den se může pustit znovu nad 
aktualizovanou DB a pročistí se zase další dvojice.

Popřemýšlím, jak udělat to, co píšeš a když tak pošlu výsledek.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Hlášení budov

2014-12-04 Per discussione Radek Kuznik
Dobry den,
a problem, kdy definicni bod je uplne mimo budovu(cerveny duch na
http://ruian.poloha.net/) se resit nejak nebude? Urcite by se i dalo
vyexportovat jednorazove...

R.

Dne 4. prosince 2014 23:44 Petr Vejsada o...@propsychology.cz napsal(a):

 Dobrý den,

 Dne Čt 4. prosince 2014 22:57:40, Petr Souček napsal(a):

  O hlášení, že budova fyzicky neexistuje v terénu, určitě zájem máme.
 Pošleme
  to editorovi (stavební úřad nebo obec) a ten by měl provést místní
 šetření
  a následně konat, tj. vydat rozhodnutí o neexistenci stavby a stavby
  odstranit z RÚIAN.

 máme na to kód, tedy určitě bude možné si vytřídit třeba pouze hlášení
 tohoto
 typu.

  Ovšem v případě, kdy je budova lokalizovaná pouze definičním bodem, tak
 je
  potřeba vzít v úvahu, že může být chyba v definičním bodu. A ta budova
 sice
  existuje, ale lokalizována je někde jinde.

 Budovy jen s definičním bodem momentálně do zpracování zahrnuté nejsou a
 (zatím?) nic takového ani neplánuji.

 Trochu se obávám, že když pustím export červených duchů, tedy situací, kdy
 definiční bod je daleko od polygonu budovy, tak že by to zahltilo
 katastrální
 pracoviště na hodně dlouhou dobu ;-) Ostatně ten rudý duch s 221 km dlouhou
 spojnicí v RUIAN stále je - definiční bod je v Klatovech a polygon v
 Poličce.

 K těm XML formulářům - momentálně shromažďujeme jen druh chyby, kód SO a
 poznámku, případně jméno reportéra a kontakt na něho. Neměli bychom ty
 údaje
 nějak rozšířit? Už víte, jaké informace budete potřebovat k hladkému
 nahlášení/reklamování? Chci se vyhnout situaci, kdy budeme mít shromážděnu
 řadu SO pro nahlášení a pak zjistíme, že je třeba u všech nějaký údaj
 doplnit.

 Rád bych i nějakou zpětnou vazbu o přijetí reklamace, aby bylo možné si
 tuto
 informaci poznamenat do databáze, alespoň pro vyloučení duplicit.

  Na oba tyto případy připravujeme reklamační formuláře, jak jednorázové
  (webový formulář), tak hromadné (strukturované XML). Já vím, že to
 slibuji
  už dlouho, ale je to komplikovanější než jsem čekal. Rád bych Vám to
 slíbil
  jako vánoční dárek, ale uvidíme :-)

 Tak se těším :-)

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[OSM-talk-fr] Modifications abusives de population de ville

2014-12-04 Per discussione Maxime Résibois
Bonjour,

Je viens de m'apercevoir qu'un certain nombre de tag population (au moins
ceux de Valenciennes et de Lens) viennent d'être modifié par un utilisateur
: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/floquet%20nicolas/history . Je viens de
lui envoyer un message mais je ne sais pas trop quoi faire pour surveiller
/ corriger ces modifications abusives ni pour comprendre pourquoi ça s'est
passé (erreur ou vandalisme)?

Maxime
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modifications abusives de population de ville

2014-12-04 Per discussione Pierre-Yves Berrard
Le 4 décembre 2014 17:10, Maxime Résibois maxime.resib...@gmail.com a
écrit :

 Bonjour,

 Je viens de m'apercevoir qu'un certain nombre de tag population (au
 moins ceux de Valenciennes et de Lens) viennent d'être modifié par un
 utilisateur : http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/floquet%20nicolas/history
 . Je viens de lui envoyer un message mais je ne sais pas trop quoi faire
 pour surveiller / corriger ces modifications abusives ni pour comprendre
 pourquoi ça s'est passé (erreur ou vandalisme)?

 Maxime


Je suspecte des mises à jour sur la base de données du recensement de 2011
(le plus récent), avec des erreurs (de copier-coller ?).
J'ignore comment ces données sont mises à jour habituellement.

PY
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modifications abusives de population de ville

2014-12-04 Per discussione David Crochet

Bonjour

Le 04/12/2014 17:10, Maxime Résibois a écrit :

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/floquet%20nicolas/history . Je viens
de lui envoyer un message mais je ne sais pas trop quoi faire pour
surveiller / corriger ces modifications abusives ni pour comprendre
pourquoi ça s'est passé (erreur ou vandalisme)?


J'ai regardé roubaix et il a mis le chiffre présent dans wikipédia

Cordialement
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Modifications abusives de population de ville

2014-12-04 Per discussione Maxime Résibois
Pour Valenciennes et Lens les chiffres sont vraiment à côté de la plaque
(j'ai fais un revert pour Valenciennes).

En plus des espaces sont ajoutés au niveau des milliers ce qui n'est pas
terrible je trouve, les sources ne sont pas mis à jour, etc.

Le 4 décembre 2014 17:19, David Crochet david.croc...@free.fr a écrit :

 Bonjour

 Le 04/12/2014 17:10, Maxime Résibois a écrit :

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/floquet%20nicolas/history . Je viens
 de lui envoyer un message mais je ne sais pas trop quoi faire pour
 surveiller / corriger ces modifications abusives ni pour comprendre
 pourquoi ça s'est passé (erreur ou vandalisme)?


 J'ai regardé roubaix et il a mis le chiffre présent dans wikipédia

 Cordialement
 --
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suivi qualité des frontières communales

2014-12-04 Per discussione Stéphane Péneau

Le jeudi 27 novembre 2014 19:00:07, Yves Pratter a écrit :


Ne pas consommer le temps des contributeurs sur ça alors que l’IGN en
a sûrement une, « officielle » (?).
Mieux vaut utiliser notre énergie à faire ce que l’IGN ne fera et ne
pourra jamais faire…


Tu vois, Christian confirme que leurs limites ne sont pas forcément 
meilleures. Et même si elles l'étaient, dans combien d'années 
seront-elles dispo en opendata ?
Parce que dans ce cas, on aurait tout autant pû ne pas les tracer du 
tout dans Osm.



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Suivi qualité des frontières communales

2014-12-04 Per discussione Stéphane Péneau
J'ai tenté d'aller un peu plus loin avec mes compétences de total 
débutant.


- extraction des limites du cadastre pour toutes les communes de la 
Loire-Atlantique

- extraction des limites d'osm avec overpass turbo
- nettoyage et mise en forme de ces 2 couches avec maperitive
- génération des tuiles de ces 2 couches jusqu'au niveau 18. Niveau 19 
en cours de calcul, mais c'est très long.

- mise en place d'une carte glissante avec leaflet

Le résultat est visible, mais depuis ma ligne adsl, donc ne pas 
s'étonner si c'est lent :

http://www.amst.synology.me/map/limites44.html

Stéphane

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Qualification des erreurs en lien avec FANTOIR

2014-12-04 Per discussione Vincent de Château-Thierry

Bonsoir,

Le 04/12/2014 00:01, Vincent de Château-Thierry a écrit :


Le 03/12/2014 13:49, Donat ROBAUX a écrit :


Est-il possible également de prévoir un onglet avec toutes les voies de
la commune, en gros le fichier Fantoir brut?

Oui, c'est même en cours... mais je n'ai rien de montrable ce soir.


Voilà, vous avez désormais à droite du nom de commune, en haut de page, 
un 4è lien 'FANTOIR' qui ouvre une nouvelle page avec tout le contenu 
'Enregistrement Voie' du Fantoir de la commune, sans aucun filtre.

La doc Fantoir correspondante est ici :
http://www.collectivites-locales.gouv.fr/files/files/gestion_locale_dgfip/national/FANTOIR_Descriptif.pdf

vincent

ps. sur les grosses communes (j'ai testé Bordeaux) il faut être patient, 
la page est longue à charger...


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Re: [OSM-ja] お天気が表示される3Dレンダリング

2014-12-04 Per discussione ribbon
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 11:14:52AM +0900, ikiya wrote:

 (F4mapサイト:会津若松市街地)
 http://demo.f4map.com/#lat=37.4882299lon=139.9319373zoom=17camera.theta=80camera.phi=123.873

これ、かなりかっこいいですね。
建物の高さはほぼ一律かな。建物に高さデータを付けると
表示が変わるのでしょうか。

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Re: [OSM-ja] お天気が表示される3Dレンダリング

2014-12-04 Per discussione ikiya

建物の高さはほぼ一律かな。建物に高さデータを付けると

はい、変わります。
他の3Dレンダリングサイトと同様に3Dタグ使えます。

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:3D

みなとみらい

http://demo.f4map.com/#lat=35.4580511lon=139.6309477zoom=17camera.theta=60.699



個人的には、生垣の高さがコントロールできちゃったことに小さな喜びがありました。(高さタグ表示してくれます。)
http://demo.f4map.com/#lat=37.7339092lon=140.3756421zoom=21camera.theta=79.026camera.phi=138.656



- Original Message -
From: ribbon o...@ns.ribbon.or.jp
To: OpenStreetMap Japanese talk talk-ja@openstreetmap.org 
Date: 2014/12/4, Thu 22:57
Subject: Re: [OSM-ja] お天気が表示される3Dレンダリング
 
On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 11:14:52AM +0900, ikiya wrote:

 (F4mapサイト:会津若松市街地)
 http://demo.f4map.com/#lat=37.4882299lon=139.9319373zoom=17camera.theta=80camera.phi=123.873

これ、かなりかっこいいですね。
建物の高さはほぼ一律かな。建物に高さデータを付けると
表示が変わるのでしょうか。

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[OSM-ja] (再掲)京都オープンデータソン2014 vol.4

2014-12-04 Per discussione yasunari
京都府向日市(むこうし)マッパーの山下です。
みなさん、こんにちわ。

京都オープンデータ実践会では、今週末 12/7(日)に
歴史的文化的資産あふれる京都をまち歩きして、
みんなでオープンデータにするイベント
「京都まち歩きオープンデータソン」
(「wikipediaタウン」+「OpenStreetMap(OSM)マッピングパーティー」)
を行います。

詳しくは下記リンクから
https://www.facebook.com/events/323902557813508/
http://opendata-kyoto.doorkeeper.jp/events/17717

皆さん、どうぞ参加ください!!
よろしくお願いします
-- 
山下康成@京都府向日市

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Re: [OSM-ja] 会津若松市のハザードマップにOpenStreetMapが使用されました。

2014-12-04 Per discussione ikiya
PDF版に加えて、WEB版も公開されました。
http://www.city.aizuwakamatsu.fukushima.jp/docs/2009031200029/

会津若松市「家庭用防災カルテ」・「ハザードマップ」
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JA:%22Home_Disaster-Prevention_Chart%22and_%22Hazard_Map%22_Aizu-Wakamatsu_City

From: ribbon o...@ns.ribbon.or.jp
To: OpenStreetMap Japanese talk talk-ja@openstreetmap.org 
Date: 2014/12/2, Tue 20:23
Subject: Re: [OSM-ja] 会津若松市のハザードマップにOpenStreetMapが使用されました。
 
On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 01:04:37PM +0900, ikiya wrote:
 会津若松市が
 OpenStreetMap(OSM)の道路及び建物データを使用して、 
 「家庭用防災カルテ」・「ハザードマップ」を作成しました。(それぞれA1サイズ594×841両面印刷)

配布物は

http://www.city.aizuwakamatsu.fukushima.jp/docs/2009031200029/

ですね。確かに会津若松あたりは、建物がほぼ入っている感じですね。


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[Talk-GB] Canadian postcodes at State of the Map

2014-12-04 Per discussione Andrew Hain
Ervin Ruci of Geolytica gave an interesting presentation at SotM, now
available on video[1], about his efforts to build a crowdsourced postcode
database. Apart from technical matters he also talked about legal issues
with Canada Post.

[1]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SotM_2014_session:_Crowd_Sourcing_Canadian_Postal_Codes

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[Talk-GB] weekly 228 in English is online

2014-12-04 Per discussione Manfred A. Reiter
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 228, (25.11. - 01.12.2014)
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all
things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu

Enjoy!

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Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

2014-12-04 Per discussione James Mast
I've been handling the 'four-digit' SR's here in PA another way.  Technically, 
the routes are 'somewhat' signed, but in a way that people wouldn't normally 
see or pay attention to except in a few places.  These routes normally get a 
little white square box on the sides of the road. [1]  They also can 
'sometimes' appear on street blades depending on the area. [2]  So, what I've 
been doing is tagging the 4-digit routes with the following tag 'ref:penndot=SR 
'. (Example [3])  I think that tag works perfectly, especially if somebody 
wants to add the state route for a bannered highway (US-19 Truck in the North 
Hills of Pittsburgh is 'SR 4003').  It keeps the info together, plus IMO, works 
better here since they aren't 'true' unsigned highways unlike in several 
Western states where you can't find any reference to a US highway on an 
Interstate most of the time.

-James


[1] -  http://goo.gl/maps/RsXme
[2] - http://goo.gl/maps/w0Xoq (While it might be hard to read, that's 'SR 
3025' posted on that blade)
[3] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/19597194 

Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:16:01 -0600
From: ba...@ursamundi.org
To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
CC: talk-us@openstreetmap.org; burke...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

Someone in the Valley Forge area also tagged refs on a LOT of four-digit State 
Routes that aren't signed...seems like this belongs in a relation with 
unsigned_ref and the ref should be unsigned_ref.  Yes, I know they're on the 
bridge placards and what not, but there's no route shields on these.
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:58 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote:



Same thing goes with Florida.  Just the state outline.

Heck, in Pennsylvania, originally on BGS's before we started to use the 
Keystone shield, we used the 'PA' abbreviation (one such sign that still stands 
[1]).  However, now on the little white reference mileage signs [2] that 
PennDOT posts on roads they maintain, it says 'SR' (even on Interstates).  
However, PennDOT recently posted a nice little gem on PA-28 @ Exit #6 going 
both directions that goes back in time and mentions the 'PA' on the sign. [3]  
There are at least 3 of these signs (2 going SB, at least 1 going NB).

-James

[1] - http://goo.gl/maps/RsXme 
[2] - http://goo.gl/maps/ARr9s 
[3] - http://youtu.be/W3xI5Y8eRk4?t=2m1s (the video needs to be paused right 
here @ 2m1s to see the sign clearly)


From: burke...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 00:55:13 -0500
To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

In Georgia, (almost?) all state roads are signed with the state outline and the 
highway number, but no GA or Georgia text with it. Occasionally you might 
see State Road or State Route printed on the sign in addition to the state 
outline. In some very rural areas, I think there might still be a few un-logoed 
signs, but probably not many. 



-jack

On November 30, 2014 5:58:53 PM EST, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us 
wrote:
On 2014-11-30 10:41, stevea wrote:
 My two cents:  I must say that here in California, I've made it a habit
 to remove the County Route designation (CR) which precedes a ref
 number in our County Route system.  For example, NE2 (a banned-from-OSM
 former contributor for those unfamiliar with that history) entered ref
 tags for many G2, N1... county routes as CR G2 and CR N1.  That, in
 my opinion, is so redundant (as G and N and A and S... are well-known
 multi-county/regional-within-California county highway networks) as to
 be true clutter.  People in California do know (and routing software,
 renderers... SHOULD know) that A1, G2, N4 and S16 are county routes in a
 lettered system where each letter represents a cluster of counties...at
 least in California.

Some northwest Ohio counties post shields along section line roads that 
say A, B, C, etc. So far I've been tagging them like CR A, even though 
you'd be hard-pressed to find that style anywhere outside of OSM. 
Instead of reducing ambiguity, I wonder if the CR may cause very mild 
confusion, for example when a router tells its user to turn onto CR R.

 Also, while SR (for State Route in California and other states) is
 still legally correct, I still might change for consistency's sake any
 SR prefix I see in a highway route relation ref tag to be CA
 instead.  So, while SR 17 is correct, I much prefer CA 17 and will
 change it to that if I see SR in a California highway route relation ref
 tag.

Yes, usage is different in California. I've only ever seen SR on 
signage a few times, in rather obscure places. But in Ohio, it's ubiquitous.

 I agree with what we (as OSM volunteers entering/editing data in our
 map) now do, as well as what map styles/renderers and routing engines
 do, as Minh notes above:  recognize the state abbreviation, SR or SH.
 Yes, Michigan still has its M- routes, and I think OSM (both its human
 editors and software components) should 

Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

2014-12-04 Per discussione Paul Johnson
Sounds like an analogous situation to the difference between State Highways
and State Routes in Oregon.  The shields always have the state route, the
blade markers at bridges and some milemarkers list both the route and the
highway.  Not all state highways are members of state routes (since roads
in state parks, notably, are state highways, as are most ocean beaches as
they're open to vehicles).  This kind of lends some strong credence to my
opinion that it's time to bury the dinosaur of having route refs on ways,
that way the way ref can actually *be* the *actual* reference of the way...

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:15 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
wrote:

 I've been handling the 'four-digit' SR's here in PA another way.
 Technically, the routes are 'somewhat' signed, but in a way that people
 wouldn't normally see or pay attention to except in a few places.  These
 routes normally get a little white square box on the sides of the road.
 [1]  They also can 'sometimes' appear on street blades depending on the
 area. [2]  So, what I've been doing is tagging the 4-digit routes with the
 following tag 'ref:penndot=SR '. (Example [3])  I think that tag works
 perfectly, especially if somebody wants to add the state route for a
 bannered highway (US-19 Truck in the North Hills of Pittsburgh is 'SR
 4003').  It keeps the info together, plus IMO, works better here since they
 aren't 'true' unsigned highways unlike in several Western states where you
 can't find any reference to a US highway on an Interstate most of the time.

 -James


 [1] - http://goo.gl/maps/RsXme
 [2] - http://goo.gl/maps/w0Xoq (While it might be hard to read, that's
 'SR 3025' posted on that blade)
 [3] - https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/19597194

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 Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:16:01 -0600
 From: ba...@ursamundi.org
 To: rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
 CC: talk-us@openstreetmap.org; burke...@gmail.com

 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

 Someone in the Valley Forge area also tagged refs on a LOT of four-digit
 State Routes that aren't signed...seems like this belongs in a relation
 with unsigned_ref and the ref should be unsigned_ref.  Yes, I know they're
 on the bridge placards and what not, but there's no route shields on these.

 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:58 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 Same thing goes with Florida.  Just the state outline.

 Heck, in Pennsylvania, originally on BGS's before we started to use the
 Keystone shield, we used the 'PA' abbreviation (one such sign that still
 stands [1]).  However, now on the little white reference mileage signs [2]
 that PennDOT posts on roads they maintain, it says 'SR' (even on
 Interstates).  However, PennDOT recently posted a nice little gem on PA-28
 @ Exit #6 going both directions that goes back in time and mentions the
 'PA' on the sign. [3]  There are at least 3 of these signs (2 going SB, at
 least 1 going NB).

 -James

 [1] - http://goo.gl/maps/RsXme
 [2] - http://goo.gl/maps/ARr9s
 [3] - http://youtu.be/W3xI5Y8eRk4?t=2m1s (the video needs to be paused
 right here @ 2m1s to see the sign clearly)


 --
 From: burke...@gmail.com
 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 00:55:13 -0500
 To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

 In Georgia, (almost?) all state roads are signed with the state outline
 and the highway number, but no GA or Georgia text with it. Occasionally
 you might see State Road or State Route printed on the sign in addition
 to the state outline. In some very rural areas, I think there might still
 be a few un-logoed signs, but probably not many.

 -jack

 On November 30, 2014 5:58:53 PM EST, Minh Nguyen 
 m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote:

 On 2014-11-30 10:41, stevea wrote:

  My two cents:  I must say that here in California, I've made it a habit
  to remove the County Route designation (CR) which precedes a ref
  number in our County Route system.  For example, NE2 (a banned-from-OSM
  former contributor for those unfamiliar with that history) entered ref
  tags for many G2, N1... county routes as CR G2 and CR N1.  That, in
  my opinion, is so redundant (as G and N and A and S... are well-known
  multi-county/regional-within-California county highway networks) as to
  be true clutter.  People in California do know (and routing software,
  renderers... SHOULD know) that A1, G2, N4 and S16 are county routes in a
  lettered system where each letter represents a cluster of counties...at
  least in California.


 Some northwest Ohio counties post shields along section line roads that
 say A, B, C, etc. So far I've been tagging them like CR A, even though
 you'd be hard-pressed to find that style anywhere outside of OSM.
 Instead of reducing ambiguity, I wonder if the CR may cause very mild
 confusion, for example when a router tells its user to turn onto CR R.

  Also, while SR (for State Route in California 

Re: [Talk-ht] Lot Talk-ht, Vol 53, Parution 2

2014-12-04 Per discussione Schneider kennedy Alcereste
Bonswa tout staf planifikatè inisyativ sa. Mwen apresye ak felisite tout
moun ki nan baz mouvman sa. Mwen mande pou òganizatè yo pibliye kalandriye
aktivite a pou tout kontribitè ka konn dat ak lè pou yo patisipe ak ofri
sipò yo.
Kennedy, kontribitè OSM, manm COSMHA.STM
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 Bonjou a tout kontribite osm ki nan mond la. Mwen felisite gwo travay sa a
 ki fet an ayiti. Mwen kontan epi mwen enterese.
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 1. Espas Haiti Comunitere ouvri pòt yo pou Kominote OSM
(Delphine Bedu)
 2. Re: Espas Haiti Comunitere ouvri pòt yo pou Kominote OSM
(Jean Bully PROPHETE)
 3. Re: Espas Haiti Comunitere ouvri pòt yo pou Kominote OSM
(Severin Menard)
 4. Re: Espas Haiti Comunitere ouvri pòt yo pou Kominote OSM
(Jojo Marseille)
 
 
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  Message: 1
  Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 09:57:57 -0500
  From: Delphine Bedu delphine.b...@gmail.com
  To: talk-ht@openstreetmap.org
  Subject: [Talk-ht] Espas Haiti Comunitere ouvri pòt yo pou Kominote
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  Bonjou tout moun,
 
 
 
  Mwen ta renmen anonse ke espas Haiti Communitere an kounye a ouvè pou
 tout
  kominote OSM e kontribitè OSM.
 
  Haiti Communitere (HC) se yon espas ki sitye nan Pòtoprens, Clercine 4,
 ki
  la pou fasilite patenarya. Li se yon espas  ki net e ki la pou tout
  kominote ki travay nan avansman Ayiti – Nou gen yon ti atelye zouti, yon
  espas pou reyinyon, yon ti sal odinatè ak akse entènèt epi anpil
 koneksyon
  ak òganizasyon ki travay nan ayiti.
 
 
 
  Kounye a nou gen kek materyel ki disponib pou moun ki fe pratik nan OSM:
  Kek odinatè e kek GPS.
 
 
 
  Pandan mwa desanm n’ap lanse yon inisyativ pou fek espas l’ap vini plis
  itil pou kominote OSM.
 
 
 
  Gen dè aspe pou inisyativ sa:
 
 
 
  *Yon atelye teknik:*
 
  Nou deja pwograme 2 kou inisyasion  ak 2 kominote ki vle itilize OSM pou
  katografye inisyativ ki pozitiv nan zon yo.
 
  Si ou enterese pou óganize yon kou teknik nan nenpòt ki nivo pa ezite fe
  nou konnen (xapit...@gmail.com oswa delph...@communitere.org).
 
 
 
  *Yon atelye óganizasyonel* pou mene yon refleksyon sou fiti OSM nan
 Ayiti e
  pataje eksperians nou te gen pouk nou toujou avanse. Dat rankont: 5, 6 e
 7
  desanm nan Haiti Communitere (19 rue pélican, Clercine 4 an fas Jedco,
 Port
  au Prince).
 
  Tout moun ki enterese pou avansman e óganizasyon OSM nan Ayiti yo envite.
 
  Ou ka wè ajanda sou lyen sa:
 
  https://hackpad.com/OSM-Ayiti-Atelye-Oganizasyonel-e-Teknik-EgE1JCqSkbJ
 
  Nou ka ajoute komantè si gen bagay ki poko sou ajenda nou.
 
  Pou tout kesyon o sijesyon, rele'm: voye'm yon
  imel:delph...@communitere.org
 
 
 
  Mesi!
 
 
  Delphine
 
 
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  Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 10:34:14 -0500
  From: Jean Bully PROPHETE jeanbu...@gmail.com
  To: Delphine Bedu delphine.b...@gmail.com
  Cc: talk-ht@openstreetmap.org
  Subject: Re: [Talk-ht] Espas Haiti Comunitere ouvri pòt yo pou
  Kominote OSM
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[Talk-ht] Réf.: Espas Haiti Comunitere ouvri pòt yo pou Kominote OSM

2014-12-04 Per discussione Jhon Carlo Sainvil

Je tiens à féliciter tous ceux et toutes celles qui ont pensés à l'organisation 
de cet atelier. c'est un pas vers l'avant au développement du pays. Prenons en 
coeur cette initiative! 

Déjà, je vous souhaite bonne participation.

UN MONDE-UNE CARTOGRAPHIE

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Re: [diversity-talk] The recent unpleasantness

2014-12-04 Per discussione Randal Hale
and you are correct - I shouldn't have went asshole. I will apologize 
for using the word.


I'm 2000% good with moderation or a ban. I'm happy with it because I did 
something to hopefully stop the silliness that a percentage of the users 
exhibit up here. I hope the COC causes some people to think 
twice...possibly leavebecause the bad behavior will not be tolerated.


I was referred here over a similar blowup - I'm looking for my diverse 
OSM using community. I witnessed the same thing happening again - it 
shouldn't happen here of all places. Too many times in my OSM life I've 
run into problems over abusive behavior. I've been on both sides of it - 
I'm no angel in this by any stretch.  I've had well respected users in 
the community go LOL you know that's just the way fill in the blank 
is...LOL...Gotta love him/her and excuse the behavior. Well - no I 
don't have to excuse it. It's inexcusable. Same thing with me calling 
serge an asshole. Inexcusable.


I don't believe this is a personal play ground for a few - although it 
seems that way far too often. I try to stay involved - and I see these 
outbursts. I want more people in OSM - But I'm not going to drag them 
into an environment where this can happen...and is tolerated.


I'm fine with a ban/moderation if that falls in line with the COC. It 
won't be appealed because I know calling someone a name shouldn't be 
tolerated. In the same way attacking someone over email shouldn't be 
tolerated or appealed. I had a friend leave OSM due to Serge's 
outbursts. He was rude to her in person. He was rude to her over email. 
She's gone. Won't be back. I brought her back into this a second time 
after the first incident going: LOL you know that's just the way fill 
in the blank is...LOL...Gotta love him/her. It was Stupid on my part 
because I knew what would happen...if it happened once it will happen 
again.


Alyssa doesn't need banned or moderated. She responded to an attack. All 
she deserves is welcomed back.


Randy.


On 12/04/2014 10:24 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


2014-12-03 19:55 GMT+01:00 Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org 
mailto:t...@macwright.org:


He didn't: his message didn't merit an apology and doesn't merit
respect.



even if his message wouldn't merit respect, he as a person likely 
does. Really no need to call anyone an asshole, especially when the 
topic is the discussion of a code of conduct.


cheers,
Martin


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