Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?
On 28 May 2015 at 09:50, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: e.g. the en:Spanish Steps / de:Spanische Treppe are called Scalinata di Trinità dei Monti in the local language (it is located at piazza di Spagna, that's where the foreign name comes from, while in Italian it is called after to church it leads to). Naturally, OSM has the original name of this world famous monument, but Wikidata hasn't. It does now. Wait, it hasn't the original name of this three-star-tourist-attraction, how's that? Have a look here: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q848072 the reason is that the Italian wikipedia hasn't got an article about the steps No, that so not the reason, The reason was simply that no one had got around to adding it. Rather like OSM not being complete, yet. If we were to massively use wikidata _instead of duplicating some details from there also in our db_ we would have to improve wikidata as well, You'd be welcome to do so. Just as Wikipedia editors who want better maps for Wikipedia will improve OSM. and impose our entity structure on them, Really? Good luck with that. But why do you think you would need to? or it won't work in some cases (and if it doesn't work in some case, it doesn't work at all). That is, of course, nonsense. Another issue I see with wikidata is that it contains information and details about spatial objects, but it doesn't contain the geometry it refers to. The geometry is in OSM, is it not? Why would Wikidata want to replicate that? Have a look at the Berlin object: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q64 This covers both, an administrative entity and a geographic place in one object (no problem here, but can be a problem elsewhere). Eventually, these will be split. This object has a property instance of metropolis http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q200250 I don't want to discuss whether Berlin is a metropolis or not, what I want to point out is that there seem to be different criteria defined for different languages: These descriptions aid users; they are not proscriptive. There are also local and cultural variations. Just like city in OSM. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?
On 28 May 2015 at 10:41, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I just hope that Wikidata doesn't list New Brige as the English name of Pont Neuf or else they have a problem ;) It alls it Pont neuf: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q335277 and has a property that tells you that that is its official name, which is in the French language. At some point, it will have a property that tells you that the name /means/ New Bridge. It is my impression that a large proportion of name:xx tags in OSM are added by naming specialists who do little else than large scale name additions; it would probably not be too much to ask for them to indulge Wikidata instead of OSM. Please do! if a mapper is of the opinion that no matching Wikidata object exists for an OSM feature, then they shouldn't use a wikidata tag, that much is clear! Or they could, if suitable, crate a WIkidata item... -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?
On 28 May 2015 at 13:33, moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/05/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Another issue that can be seen here: nobody will want this Puente Nuevo (París) as a label for a bridge on a map (París) Funny ah? Every single entity in wikidata I have looked at had some issues in one or the other way, I believe we would get more problems than we would solve. The issue here is that these strings are the name of the wikipedia article in various language, which is *not* the same as the name of the location in various languages. Wikipedia likes to add some disambiguation text, which we do not want in OSM. Wikidata labels do not include that disambiguation (some exceptions may be found, but they are user errors,and are being weeded out). https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q84 You can see its names in various languages by clicking the Labels list tab (then note slidebar) Call me stupid, but I don't see any clickable label list tab ? Sorry; you won't see it if you're not logged in. You'd need to log in and enable this gadget: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Tools/Gadgets#LabelLister I'll ask if there's a method for non-logged-in users to see them. The closest thing I see is the list of wikipedia articles, which has the problem mentioned above. Those are not the labels -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?
[Resending, to this list] On 27 May 2015 at 23:03, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: OpenStreetMap is the spatial representation of the world - wouldn't it make sense then to also store the translations for locations in OpenStreetMap? No. Wikidata exists because the Wikipedia community realised that it is folly to store and maintain duplicate copies of the same data in more than one location (in this case, Wikipedias in different languages). Not only is that wasteful - especially in terms of volunteer effort - but it also results in de-synchronisation. Instead, Wikidata was created to hold data which would then be used by multiple Wikipedias (and sister Wikimedia projects), and made available to third parties, of which OSM is one. We simply don't have the spare volunteer capacity to needlessly dupliate all that effort; even if it were the sensible thing to do, which it is not. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?
On 28 May 2015 at 09:50, SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 27/05/2015 22:56, Andy Mabbett wrote: A demonstrator, using Wikidata labels, is: http://googleknowledge.github.io/qlabel/demo/map/ (choose select language). Coders might enjoy viewing the source code. That's interesting, but seems just to do multiple http transactions to get the names it needs (something that's not really scalable). As I said, it's a *demonstrator*. It's not meant to scale. What I'd typically want to do with wikidata would be something like: 1) define a series of properties that I'm interested in. Unfortunately I don't see this in any sort of sensible format - I just see a bunch of web pages like http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:List_of_properties which isn't really helpful. I'm not sure what you're looking for. I suspect that these are problems that someone, somewhere has already solved Indeed. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?
On 27 May 2015 at 22:57, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: A possible problem is that currently, Wikidata notability policy[1] means that Wikidata will only contain items for notable objects/entities/concepts. (But note that Wikidata is much, much more inclusive than Wikipedia—Wikidata will contain vastly more items than Wikipedia has articles.) This means that not all buildings, streets, and other objects that we have in OSM will have corresponding Wikidata items. Wikidata (and for that matter the English Wikipedia) notability policies allow for an item for every settlement; even a hamlet of just a few houses. The issues on naming described at the top of this thread are unlikely to apply to small objects, such as individual dwellings and minor roads. That said, Wikidata also allows for an entry for every designated historic monument (listed building), and already has an entry for every street in the Netherlands. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] SotM-US MappaMercia
Are any of you folk going to SotM-US? I've just booked my ticket, and am giving two talks. One is about Wikidata, the other is about, er, you. Well, it's about how MM works as a group; just five minutes. I plan to mention: Winter meetups Summer mapping armchair garden outlines Gritting map Heritage map Amey BCC Anything else I should mention? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk] SotM-US
Are any other UK folk going to SotM-US? I've just booked my ticket, and am givng two talks. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] SotM-US MappaMercia
[I accidentally posted this to talk0-GB, but emant it for this list] Are any of you folk going to SotM-US? I've just booked my ticket, and am giving two talks. One is about Wikidata, the other is about, er, you. Well, it's about how MM works as a group; just five minutes. I plan to mention: Winter meetups Summer mapping armchair garden outlines Gritting map Heritage map Amey BCC Anything else I should mention? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [OSM-talk] Can wikidata links help fight name inflation?
On 27 May 2015 at 22:13, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: we're seeing more and more name:xx tags on OSM objects. The place node for London has 154 name tags as we speak FYI, the equivalent Wikidata item is: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q84 You can see its names in various languages by clicking the Labels list tab (then note slidebar) It is difficult to judge when such foreign names have a right to be there, and when they're just inventions or name translations or transliterations. Transliteratons are still useful to non-native speakers. If a place has a wikidata tag, could/should we then simply defer to Wikidata for names in other languages? Yes/ probably. We are a database of geodata and not one of international cultural heritage; even if London has a name in over 2000 languages, is OSM really the place to record these 2000 names? Would it not be better to record the wikidata link for London, and then (perhaps in co-operation with people at Wikidata) provide means for people doing map rendering to join OSM data with a separately-loaded translation table from Wikidata? A demonstrator, using Wikidata labels, is: http://googleknowledge.github.io/qlabel/demo/map/ (choose select language). Coders might enjoy viewing the source code. We could then limit ourselves to using a name tag for the locally used name, or continue to allow a name:xx but only if these languages were actually used by the local population; throw in an int_name if you want (but some may say that's already an unfair privilege for users of English and the Latin alphabet). Anything else - i.e. names used for a place in other languages than the local ones - would be off-topic for OSM and should be recorded in Wikidata. Exactly. Do you think Wikidata could play that role, and take the burden off of us? Or is Wikidata not mature enough for that yet, or even unsuitable? While it continues to develop, it is already mature enough, suitable and available for this purpose -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] Fire Hydrants in Derbsyshire
My request to Derbsyshire Fire Service for the location of fire hydrants in that country was refused; but after I contacted the Information Commissioner's Office, they did an about face, and the data may now be found in a spreadsheet, downloadable from: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/locations_of_fire_hydrants_2 Please feel free to cite that case, if you make a similar request to any other UK fire service. We now need to consider the best way to verify such information, and to get it into OSM. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] too many universities in Cambridge
On 22 May 2015 at 14:58, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Yes, the operator tags are the same when it is the same institution - the colleges are independent institutions, part of the larger federation. Is it necessary to show the college = university relationship in OSM? If we tag one (set of) structures as King's College, and another as Peterhouse, won't that suffice? Another approach would be to label each college with the equivalent Wikidata identifier: King's College = Q924289 (resolves to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q924289 ) Peterhouse = Q650068 (resolves to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q650068 ) Wikidata then shows each as an instance of a college of the University of Cambridge (Q1055028) (Whatever approach we take; there is benefit in including Wikidata IDs.) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Please ban Xxzme in wiki
On 11 May 2015 at 15:13, Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk wrote: I have now written some justification for the ban, as I see it, on his talk page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Xxzme#Blocked_for_3_months Thank you. I've replied there, since my reply is addressed as much to Xxzme as you, and there's no certainly that he's yet aware of this discussion. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Please ban Xxzme in wiki
On 11 May 2015 at 10:08, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Andy Mabbett wrote: In the absence of blatant vandalism or base abuse, I would have expected, first, a recent, clear and unequivocal warning on the user's talk page No. Please remember that the primary means of discussion and consensus in OSM is mailing lists, even when the subject is the wiki, and even though the mailing lists suck. There is no precedent for obtaining consensus on community decisions via wiki talk pages. In that case: At what point was Xxzme advised of this? Or indeed any new user - I certainly never have been. Talk pages might be how it's done in Wikipedia, but we're not Wikipedia. I don't recall saying that we were (indeed, in another recent discussion, I pointed out that we are not). -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Please ban Xxzme in wiki
On 10 May 2015 at 23:15, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: In the absence of blatant vandalism or base abuse, I would have expected, first, a recent, clear and unequivocal warning on the user's talk page, with a suitably direct subject heading (Warning: you may be blocked from editing, or suchlike), and a statement of what the user should do differently, or not do, in order to avoid the bock. Xxzme had plenty of warning. I see no *recent, clear and unequivocal warning*; perhaps you could point me to it; bearing in mind my comment: I do not think discussions which might reasonably be interpreted as mere differences of opinion, as currently seen on Xxzme's talk page, suffice in this regard. Likewise the four-month old notice from January (where, I note, Xxzme's question went unanswered) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Please ban Xxzme in wiki
On 10 May 2015 at 11:40, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Consulting with a few other users, I have gone ahead and blocked the user. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:BlockList?wpTarget=Xxzme In the absence of blatant vandalism or base abuse, I would have expected, first, a recent, clear and unequivocal warning on the user's talk page, with a suitably direct subject heading (Warning: you may be blocked from editing, or suchlike), and a statement of what the user should do differently, or not do, in order to avoid the bock. I do not think discussions which might reasonably be interpreted as mere differences of opinion, as currently seen on Xxzme's talk page, suffice in this regard. Likewise the four-month old notice from January (where, I note, Xxzme's question went unanswered) We might also consider imposing edit restrictions (e.g. You may not move pages; you will be blocked if you edit war; this will be reviewed after 3 months). Once a block has been made, I would also expect a notice to be placed on their talk page, stating clearly why, how to appeal, and how to request an unblock (You may be unblocked if you give a statement that you will not do X again). Finally since the current bock includes email disabled, cannot edit own talk page (were either of those privileges ever abused? If not, that part of the block should be rescinded ASAP.), it does not seem possible for Xxzme to discuss how they might make a return to productive editing. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OSM on Wikitravel
I'd be inclined to read up on the history of WikiTravel, before you go any further. You might also like to look at WikiVoyage: https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Cooperating_with_OpenStreetMap http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_Wikivoyage On 5 May 2015 at 17:25, Andrew Wiseman awise...@gmail.com wrote: I think this might be an interesting use for OSM -- Wikitravel is a wiki for travel tips (hence the name) and lacks maps on most pages! Maybe we could somehow get connected with them to include maps for all the places, states, etc. Might also show new people about OSM too. I filed a feature request with them but maybe somebody else knows them. http://wikitravel.org/ http://wikitravel.org/shared/Tech:Adding_maps_to_articles Andrew -- 600,000 DC residents don't have a vote in Congress -- http://www.dcvote.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] Road-name oddity in Bath
Around: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.38137mlon=-2.37016#map=19/51.38137/-2.37016 Stanier Road seems to become Ivo Peters Road, then Stanier Road again Meanwhile, slightly to the NE, there is another Ivo Peters Road. Is something mis-tagged? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup
On 2 May 2015 at 02:18, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: If a store changes name a mechanical edit does not make sense because usually new signs get put up gradually. For instance Domino's Pizza changed its name to Domino's and is running TV ads promoting this, but there are still old signs that say Domino's Pizza I suppose it depends whether we want to map what (sometimes incorrect) store signs say, or what the stores actually are. I favour the latter, but if you want the former, I have a list defunct shops whose signs are still visible, which you can add Another issue to consider is that either method will incude some errors. Which will include fewest, and which will inconvenience our users less? How long will it take for all our entries for Domino's to be manually updated, even after the signs are changed? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Chain Store Cleanup
On 2 May 2015 at 22:28, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I know you have a Wikidata background and things may be different in Wikidata I've been editing OSM longer than Wikidata has existed. Even had I not, I don't think your attempt to analyse my background has any place on this list. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Ghoists igns
Is anyone tagging ghost signs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_sign around the West Midlands? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fossils stones
Several buildings in Birmingham (and no doubt elsewhere) have visible fossils in their stonework. I'm interested in tagging these; can anyone suggest how best to do so? Likewise, some have identifiable and unusual types of stonework; we can use material= for that; is anyone already doing so? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Ottoman Map of England, Wales IoM
You might like this: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ottoman_Map_of_England.jpg -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] April Meeting Thursday 2nd April
Likewise. Have fun! On Mar 26, 2015 2:33 PM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: Hi Brian, I will be abroad, so I won't be able to make it. -- Matthijs On 26 March 2015 at 14:18, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone Just a reminder that we're meeting in the Black Eagle Factory Road (nearest Metro Stop Soho Benson Road) probably from about 8 pm onwards so as to allow mapping beforehand. Can you let me know if you're planning to come as I've got to arrange logistics with a video crew who are wanting to film mapping on the ground and will want to conduct some interviews (apologies if it eats into mapping time) Might be a good idea to have everyone's mobile nos for the night Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] trying to get a Wheelchair kurb project off the ground
On 24 March 2015 at 08:44, Mark Croft mark.croft@gmail.com wrote: [ I accidentally replied to Mark, not to the mailing list (apologies, Mark), so am reposting my reply, and part of his response, below] The main goal at the moment is try to get a record of all the drop kerbs in a small area around kidderminster maybe other parts of worcestershire depending on the volunteers we got at the moment. How are you tagging them? Can you link to some examples, please, and is there a page on the wiki about the tag? Would anyone else like to get involved with this project? I'll help where I can. This could be one of our quarterly projects. #~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~#~# Mark then replied to the effect that he needs advice on the best way to tag dropped kerbs, and with a link to: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/sloped_curb but I also note: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/kerb Mark also suggests asking Worcestershire County Council for their data; and I agree that this would be a good move. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] weeklyOSM 243 now in English
On 21 March 2015 at 21:18, Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com wrote: The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 243, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu This is an excellent serve, thank you. Might I suggest compiling and archiving, it on the OSM Wiki? We could then use a script to distribute it to the talk pages of interested mappers. Wikipedia and Wikidata do this; for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next and of course the scripts used should be open source. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] weeklyOSM 243 now in English
On 21 March 2015 at 21:18, Manfred A. Reiter ma.rei...@gmail.com wrote: The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 243, is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu This is an excellent serve, thank you. Might I suggest compiling and archiving, it on the OSM Wiki? We could then use a script to distribute it to the talk pages of interested mappers. Wikipedia and Wikidata do this; for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Status_updates/Next and of course the scripts used should be open source. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] weeklyOSM 243 now in English
On 22 March 2015 at 16:20, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: It is a really nice service. But I'm puzzled why you'd want it on the wiki? So that anyone can edit it, of course. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-GB] weeklyOSM 243 now in English
On 22 March 2015 at 16:20, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: It is a really nice service. But I'm puzzled why you'd want it on the wiki? So that anyone can edit it, of course. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Old railway-yard wall, Curzon Street, Birmingham
Those of you with a facination for old structures or railways may be interested in this massive retaining wall, which I photographed and mapped today: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/329306383 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Curzon_Street_wall,_Birmingham it's at: 52.4830139, -1.8868312 and is behind Millennium Point, reatnig the mound on which the Ormistoni Academy sits. It was apparntly built by the railway company (LB or LNWR) who had a yard there. I'm told it has some form of heritage protection (perhaps locally listed?) but haven't yet traced a record of that. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[OSM-talk] Fire hydrants in Oxfordshire
Data has been released here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/location_of_fire_hydrants It's probably OS-derived, but may still be a useful aid to anyone wanting to conduct their own survey; and the diameter values may be OK. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] guide to vandalism” in OSM?
On 12 February 2015 at 13:55, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: The comments were saying that vandalism is rare on OSM Wikipedia sensibly offers this advice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_stuff_beans_up_your_nose -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] 176k Wikidata tags to add to OSM
On 24 November 2014 at 11:28, Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: This is a progress report about my attempt to match Wikidata items and OSM objects automatically. Where are we with this? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Social this Thursday
I'm already double booked, so won't be able to join you. On 3 February 2015 at 09:24, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, its first Thursday of the month this week. Unfortunately I have a prior engagement but hope you all have a good meet up. At the Bull?? Cheers Andy ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] MAPPING BIRMINGHAM: The East Prospect of 1732
Here's a post which will interest many of you: http://mappingbirmingham.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/the-east-prospect-of-1732.html The rest of the blog is also worth a read. ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Data search request: help please
I need some help, please. I want to compile a list of all the pubs (including taverns bars, etc) in the UK, with the word Louise as part of the name. How might I do this, given that I am not a coder? Or, if coding skills are needed, can someone kindly do it for me? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK Qarterly Project: Fix that Road name!
On 13 January 2015 at 15:26, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Coventry still has 38 names to go and has proved a perennial challenge to us - none of the regulars at our mappa mercia meeting lives or works there and it's proven difficult to enthuse mappers on the ground in the past but we shall try again - 38 names is not a lot after all! Is there a URL where these roads are listed or mapped, that is understandable to a lay person? I have contacts at Coventry Council and could ask them; or we could use social media to crowd source. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Blue Plaques i Smethwick
I've been provided with a list of blue plaques erected by Smethwick Local History Society (an additional plaque on the Oldbury Road, to mark the Ruskin Pottery works was stolen a few years ago). * The Toll House (High Street) * The Smethwick Engine (Bridge Street) * Central Library (High Street) * The Theatre Royal (Rolfe Street) * Soho Foundry (Foundry Lane) * Old Chapel Inn (Uplands) * Warley Woods (Abbey Road) * Chance’s Glassworks (Spon Lane * The Three Shires Oak (Three Shires Oak/Thimblemill Roads) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] New Street Station
At last Thursday's meetup, we discussed re-mapping New Street Station, and the challenges that will pose. One thing we will need is aerial photography, or pictures from overlooking buildings: not to trace, but for a general overview. I've made a start at collecting links, at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia/New_Street_Station Please feel free to add to that. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Tipton Blue Plaques
I've just been informed of: http://www.tiptoncivicsociety.co/p/blue-plaques-in-tipton.html which lists Tipton Civic Soceity's blue plaques. Use as you see fit... -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM-Tagging in Wikidata
On 28 December 2014 at 22:33, Kolossos t...@alder-digital.de wrote: I work the last weeks to bring the OSM-tagging to Wikidata, by using: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property_talk:P1282 Great work, thank you! I have enabled tagging in the reverse direction, like this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:bridgediff=prevoldid=1077814 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Awaterway%3Driverdiff=1122164oldid=976981 Of course, being OSM, some people already have objected to this... -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] OOC
Any sign of http://ooc.openstreetmap.org/ reappearing? I miss it! -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Defibrillators
At an event I helped to run last week, a speaker mentioned that Trafford had a set of open data on defbrilator locations; I suggested that it be added to OSM, and after a brief Twittwr wechange, @northernjamie announced [1] that that had been done. Can we do the same for the rest of the UK? Does anyone have other data sources? The tag page is at [2] [1] https://mobile.twitter.com/northernjamie/status/541749706934996992 [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency=defibrillator -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] 176k Wikidata tags to add to OSM
On 24 November 2014 at 11:28, Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: This is a progress report about my attempt to match Wikidata items and OSM objects automatically. Thank you. This is a great piece of work, done with considerable care, and I look forward to seeing it implemented in OSM. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Future Group
After SotM in Birmingham, I was invited to join the OSM Future Group: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Future (page includes a list of members, and a timetable.) and agreed to do so (Indeed, I paid a subscription solely in order to be eligible to do so). That group has not met nor communicated since then. Should we presume the group is defunct, and mark the age accordingly? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Hockley Flyover art
On 26 October 2014 23:31, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: See here if you're interested in what it looks like: http://wharferj.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/three-murals-bill-mitchell-gordon-cullen-dorothy-annan/ Fantastic; thank you - as is the other work featured. I must seek them out on my next visit. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Hockley Flyover art
I used to drive under and over Hockley Flyover daily, but I never knew about the artwork(s) there, by William Mitchell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Mitchell_(sculptor) until today. See: https://www.flickr.com/photos/seva_nmb/7865992708/in/pool-1910185@N24/ and other pics there. I've added a node to the map: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3151337391 but a survey is needed. I'll do that when I can, but one of you might be close by... -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [OSM-talk] Howto tag a prominent dead tree?
On 22 October 2014 10:49, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:26:40AM +, Nicholas G Lawrence wrote: Subject: [OSM-talk] Howto tag a prominent dead tree? What does prominent mean? in this case local landmark Perhaps: natural=tree tree_status=dead OTOH, see: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/1436388260 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elfin_Oak for an extreme example ;-) -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Announce] Server maintenance – 26th October
On the announce, list, on 20 October 2014 18:38, Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk wrote: Thank you, in advance, for your patience and understanding during the maintenance window. Thank you and the team for keeping things running. I in no way mean this as a criticism, but am asking out of interest: What would it take to make our system so robust that such outages were not required? Is it a case of more money, or more developers, or both? Or is it entirely infeasible? I'm assuming, but stand to be corrected, that such options have been researched and costed, but deemed not cost efficient? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On 27 August 2014 17:47, Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: I'd like to annotate these 70k objects in OSM with a Wikidata tag automatically. Can we now move forward with this? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] Invitation: map tagging event at British Library
Some friends of mine have organised an event at the British Library on Friday 31 October: https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Digital_maps_Halloween_tagathon,_October_2014 to tag copyright-expired map images, so that they can be included in the next round of the BL Georeferencer, and uploaded to Wikimedia Commons As the above page says, included through the day will be short talks about various digital mapping activities, a special tour of the BL's maps area, and free Halloween entry to the Library's atmospheric current major exhibition, Terror and Wonder: The Gothic Imagination (normally £9). Sadly I'm already committed elsewhere, but I think many of you would enjoy this. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads
On 7 September 2014 11:45, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Generally we don't tag ownership but only access rights What about operator= ? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] Kettering area: request
Do we have anyone near Kettering/ Trapston (A14 J10), who could survey this quarry: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/180325130 which I roughly sketched two years ago, based on what I could see from the A14? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Prominent UK Government Sites using OSM
On 3 September 2014 17:02, Derick Rethans o...@derickrethans.nl wrote: If there *is* not such a list, I would like to make one. Please do so on the Wiki, where it can easily be found; and updated. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Chamberlain Clock
On 21 August 2014 15:34, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I note that the Chamberlain Clock in Birmingham's Jewellery Quarter: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/187104810 does not render in the default map: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/52.48701/-1.91258 It /is/ quite a landmark: In another discussion, I've seen reference to the tag: landmark= -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On 29 August 2014 01:25, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: assuming here that you will have linked information about the wikidata object to base your judgement on, besides the cryptic reference number, stuff like a name or the kind of object Once Wikidata tags are more widley deployed (such as by the propposal at hand), I expect editing tools to start fetching and displaying related labels, in the user's preferred language(s). -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On 29 August 2014 16:33, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: To use one of your examples were you claim that manual intervention is required: a name that has a so common spelling that it is used in that form in wikidata, clearly should have that spelling in OSM proper too St John's St John's Church St John's Parish Church Saint John's Saint John's Church Saint John's Parish Church Church of St John Church of Saint John etc. etc. We can't account for every possible permutation. As has already been pointed out: the whole effort cannot be about moving information that belongs in OSM to the database of a completely separate project with different goals and structures. Indeed. Who has suggested it should be? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On 28 August 2014 09:09, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: What you do avoid by not tagging in OSM is maintenance (given that OSM objects are not necessarily a persistent reference to a single real world entity). Very few Wikidata IDs will change (far fewer than Wikipedia article names, for instance; and far fewer than IDs or other tags in OSM). Again, this is a statistically-insignificant edge-case. And maintenance would include adding a wikidata tag to new objects in OSM, which for the next years likely going to be the largest source of errors. On what basis do you assert that? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On 28 August 2014 12:04, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 27/08/2014 22:15, Andy Mabbett wrote: Wikidata has data on each of these entities which either isn't in OSM (who's the mayor of this town/ vicar of this church?) OK - not sure how that's a benefit to OSM as such, though I'm sure people could do useful unexpected things with those links. That's the point - the benefit is to OSM's users, whcih in turn benefits OSM in the same way any other enhancements does - making it more useful, attracting more contributors, etc. or which acts as a sanity check for what is in OSM (We can generate lists where the two disagree, for humans to check and fix). That sounds useful, but sounds like in theory someone could generate a list rather than actually volunteering to do so. Of course it's in theory - we haven't applied the tags, yet. Wikidata has multi-lingual labels for many objects, which OSM renderers can fetch via the Wikidata link. That's definitely useful. It would allow us to split the verifiable on the ground stuff from the other stuff - it should save us having 190 names for Berlin that mostly say Berlin. Indeed. Another one (mentioned on IRC) is a way to get up to date population data for places - data that couldn't or shouldn't be in OSM for licence reasons, or (like your vicars example) is continuously changing and not easily verifiable. What disadvantages do you forsee? Maintainability, as has already been mentioned. With any import there has to be a plan for how do we make sure this data stays up to date, and I'm not seeing that yet. I'm not anticipating many changes; this import gives a leg-up to a human process. Another issue is with dodgy data on either the OSM or the wikidata side. I've already mentioned non-existing villages in wikipedia, but there are also examples where the OSM side's iffy too, which could result in a false match. I addressed that in a earlier email I think the issues raised have been addressed; which do you feel have not been? Specifally, comments such as In my opinion, the risks of doing this automatically are just too high, +1 to not import blindly but require human confirmation and that's why I was asking how you proposed to measure it in those threads. The former pair are vague hand-waving; more specific points have been addressed, which covered such things (and there is no plan for blind importing). The latter was also addressed. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On 28 August 2014 12:23, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem with putting wikidata=* on several objects is
that people could come to an idea to put wikidata=Q3947
(entry about houses) on all houses, or wikidata=12280 on
all bridges.
Jochen has already answered that well, but we should also put those
relationships (e.g. bridge=yes == Q12280) onto the Wiki page which
defines the tag; preferably as a parameter in {{KeyDescription}}.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On 27 August 2014 17:47, Edward Betts edw...@4angle.com wrote: I'd like to annotate these 70k objects in OSM with a Wikidata tag automatically. I whole-heartedly endorse this suggestion, with the reasonable caveats colleagues have already mentioned: close-proximity matching; edits batched by region. I've corresponded with Edward during his prepartory work, and know that the former is already in place. I've also checked random instances of his matches, and have found no false positives; indeed, his cautious approach has been admirable -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
[re-sent to list] On 27 August 2014 18:46, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Presumably there's some geographical matching criteria too (so each Black Hill in the hills list is matched to the correct one)? If so, is there a licence issue where wikidata has imported from wikipedia, and wikipedia has obtained position information from who-knows-where (probably a source not compatibly licensed with OSM)? In at least one example(1) there's no wikipedia reference on the OSM node. There is no license issue. No copyright-protected data is being added to OSM. No cordinates from Wikidata are being added to OSM. No text from Wikidata is being added to OSM. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On 27 August 2014 21:37, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: On 27/08/2014 17:47, Edward Betts wrote: I'd like to annotate these 70k objects in OSM with a Wikidata tag automatically. Perhaps it's worth explaining the benefits of having a link to a wikidata item on an OSM item? What, again? ;-) For example: Wikidata has data on each of these entiti which eitherisnt in OSM (who's the ayor of this town/ vicar of this church?) or which acts as a csanity check for what is in OSM (We can generate lists where the two disagree, for humans to check and fix). Wikidata has multi-lingual labels for many objects, which OSM renderers can fetch via the Wikidata link. What disadvantages do you forsee? When this was discussed previously https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2014-June/thread.html#16096 and https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2014-June/thread.html#70032 I think that it would be fair to describe the reaction as somewhat sceptical (both to the potential benefits of adding the tags at all, and around an automatic import of them). I think the issue raised have been addressed; which do you feel have not been? an important part of things in OSM is surely that they are on-the-ground verifiable - wikipedia has articles for villages in the UK that don't exist, as do the OS OpenData StreetView maps, and people have added garbage data from both to OSM. How do we know that the wikidata items for which links are added are accurate? That sounds much like an edge case - a extreme-edge case, at that. How many such villages are mapped in OSM? Isn't that what needs fixing? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding Wikidata tags to 70k items automatically
On 27 August 2014 22:19, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 8/27/2014 9:47 AM, Edward Betts wrote: Any objections? When the idea of a mechanical edit to add wikidata tags to objects in GB came up, the local view was against it. That's not my recollection. Where was this agreed? And would you like to address the merits of the proposal at hand? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mapping Wikipedia artciles
On 17 August 2014 17:07, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: I've spent an hour tagging ways and nodes in Solihull. I started on the main wikipedia page for Solihull and then followed all the relevant links. I'll continue for Solihull - it's probably easier to try and complete this LA area as there'll be fewer wikipedia articles. Probably complete it by Xmas - if you want to use it as a case study Andy. It makes a welcome change from existing mapping projects Brian, that's a great start, thank you. There were a couple of multipolygons that required tagging (BHX and NEC) Those are interesting, I see that the relation you tagged for the latter has the name NEC. There's also: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/31644931#map=15/52.4538/-1.7192 which is a building, and has the name National Exhibition Centre, in full. How did you decide which to tag? In discussions of automating these tags, we've looked at tagging like objects; so whatever has amenity=exhibition centre or amenity=airport (or whatever the applicable values are) Tag data for the West Mids: from ITOworld so it doesn't count nodes wikipedia 209 wikipedia:en 3 wikidata 20 I wonder why there are so many more Wikipedia than Wikidata? There's also a smattering of wikipedia :architect :artist :subject That's nice to see; again, they could use Wikidata, but that's not crucial. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] The Secret Corners And Peculiar Nicknames Of Victoria Station
Good luck mapping these: http://londonist.com/2014/08/the-secret-corners-and-peculiar-nicknames-of-victoria-station.php ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK addresses
On 12 August 2014 20:18, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: The standard for representing addresses in Britain is BS7666 It's worth comparing that with the (international) vCard standard: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6350.txt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard used by address book software, etc. which comprises: * Primary addressable object name (PAON), the extended address (e.g., apartment or suite number); * Secondary addressable object name (SAON), * street, the street address; * postcode, the postal code; * locality (if available), * town, the locality (e.g., city); * county the region (e.g., state or province); and of course also has the country name. Standards, schmandards, eh? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation
On 5 August 2014 00:38, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: if I visit Pont Neuf will there be a sign in English explaining to me that this building is called New Bridge? Your rhetorical question suggests that perhaps there is a need for something like a translated_meaning: tag. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road
On 4 August 2014 12:11, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote: Have the Bath Bristol folks picked up on this one? http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Toll-road-field-gets-drivers-A431-closure/story -22064579-detail/story.html tag: legality=none insurance_validity=dubious -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation
On 4 August 2014 17:11, David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: This is the list of cities I plan to modify: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/4rF Those look like the sort of major cities and towns that would have foreign language names. This sounds like (yet another) job for Wikidata. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] City names translation
On 4 August 2014 18:46, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: Totally agree with you: however, it would be quite nice to have some kind of demonstrator showing how to take an OSM extract enrich it with wikidata values. Briefly (I'm just about to go out), the technique is demonstrated at: http://google-opensource.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/qlabel-multilingual-content-without.html Arising out of this point, it is worth, at the very least ensuring UK places have a wikipedia tag. Indeed; and/ or Wikidata. hence my bot proposal. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Aug 9th OSM 10th Birthday
On 17 July 2014 15:52, Brian Prangle br...@mappa-mercia.org wrote: 6/8 Kafé Sorry I shan't be joining you; I shall be at Wikimania in London, where I am giving a talk on OSM in a Wikimedia context: https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/OpenStreetMap_-_what_is_it_and_what_does_it_mean_for_Wikimedians%3F and I hope to take part in the joint Wikimania/OSM birthday event there. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Getting Highway Agency information into OSM
On 3 July 2014 17:51, John Baker rovas...@hotmail.com wrote: Once the legal hurdle has been overcome the idea is to setup a process stream so they can let me/us know what is happening (a simple spreadsheet or something) and get it added to OSM quickly. A better approach would be to get them to publish details of the new works as open data, so that anyone may reuse it, including but not only OSM. The Open Data User Group can advise: https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/open-data-user-group -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Wikimania Community Village organisations needed
Anyone fancy doing a stand at this? I'll be attending, but in my Wikipedia capacity. -- Forwarded message -- From: John Cummings john.cummi...@wikimedia.org.uk Date: 1 July 2014 15:45 Subject: [cultural-partners] Wikimania Community Village organisations needed To: Wikimedia Chapters cultural partners coordination cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch Hi All I'm currently helping to organise Wikimania, held at the Barbican Centre, London from the 8 -10th of August. As part of Wikimania I'm helping to run the Community Village, a place for Wikimedia Chapters, other organisations working in the open sector and organisations who produce open content to share what they're doing with the 2000 attendees and the public. Because of limited space and limited time capacity of organisations several organisations will share the hosting of a stall, we will try to accommodate as many groups as possible. The deadline for registrations of interest is Monday 7th of July, we will then schedule time for each organisation in the programme. Please do pass this email on to organisations you think would be interested. To register your interest in having a stall at the Community Village please fill in this form. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1kEGwgrJlkQX8ZQpnKixXZlpbrsaIMCqW0kjYl8UuDZ4/viewform?usp=send_form More information on the Community Village can be found on the Wikimania website including an FAQ https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Village Hope to see you at Wikimania Best wishes John -- John Cummings - Wikimedia UK Wikimania team tweet @mrjohnc Wikimedia UK is a Charitable Company registered in England and Wales. Registered Company No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office: 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents. Telephone (0044) 207 065 0990. Visit http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ and @wikimediauk ___ Cultural-Partners mailing list cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/cultural-partners Please treat emails sent to this list as confidential.Ask senders for permission before forwarding emails off-list. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Fwd: Adding links to Wikidata (and Wikipedia?)
Apologies; this was meant for the list (*please* can we make the list behave in a more standard way?) -- Forwarded message -- From: Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk Date: 17 June 2014 13:57 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Adding links to Wikidata (and Wikipedia?) To: Archer arc...@gulli.com On 17 June 2014 13:14, Archer arc...@gulli.com wrote: It isn't that easy to add Wikidata ID's with a script. Wikipedia articles often describe more than one object. For example the article of Heligoland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heligoland I don't see why an issue with a Wikipedia article makes it difficult to refer to Wikidata. The article describes the island and the municipality. To model this in Wikidata you need two different objects. For the island: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17043877 and municipality: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3038 The former has property instance_of=island The latter has instance_of=municipality_of_Germany OSM relation 3787052 has tag place=island and is, correctly, already tagged wikidata=Q17043877 There is clearly an equivalence between instance_of=island and place=island There is no equivalence between place=island and instance_of=municipality_of_Germany I've tried to describe the issue here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:wikidata I've moved that to the talk page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Key:wikidata and will reply there. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Adding links to Wikidata (and Wikipedia?)
On 14 June 2014 12:31, Robert Norris rw_nor...@hotmail.com wrote: How do/would Wikidata links relate to Wikipedia links in OSM objects? i.e. Does this suggest Wikidata links should supercede Wikipedia links or would they be complimentary? Strictly speaking, a Wikidata link makes links to Wikipedia redundant, as the Wikidata item itself links to relevant Wikipedia pages. Pragmatically, though, human editors (as opposed to machine parsers) may prefer to see a Wikipedia link, in their own and or the local language(s), as they have text labels in the language concerned. It's also, for simialr reasons, easier for a human editor to add a Wikipedia link, but a script (or even the editing tool itself) could then do a lookup and subistite, or add, the Wikidata ID. Presumably if complimentary (to maintain existing data users' usage of Wikipedia tags) - one could write a test to confirm they are referencing the same thing to check consistency. One could. It's the sort of thing a validator like that in JOSM might check. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Adding links to Wikidata (and Wikipedia?)
It might be useful to give a couple of examples. We would link St Paul's Cathedral to : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q173882 That, in turn has links to the Wikipedia articles about the cathedral, in ~50 languages, It gives is the names of the cathedral in those languages (Katedralo Sankta Paŭlo in Esperanto, or Ardeaglais Naomh Pól in Gaelic not to mention names in languages with non-Western alphabets, like Japanese, Russian and Arabic). It links to an image; and to the Wikimedia Commons category for hundreds more images. It tells us that the building is made of Portland limestone, and in the English Baroque architectural style (and links to Wikidata entities for those terms, which similarly link to Wikipedia articles, and more...). It includes links to entries in a number of other databases and catalogues, ranging from VIAF to the Vatican library, and even MusicBrainz (so we can get a list of recordings made there; and who made them). And much more besides. Even for a small church like St James, Handsworth (Birmingham), we have: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16908818 with Wikipedia links in two languages, the location of the church's archives, the architect's name (again linking to a Wikidata entry and thus Wikipedia biography), and the prospect of more data and links being added with time. All of this information is available, as open, linked data, via API and RDF dumps, adding vast richness to our data in OSM, and providing a great service to the re-users of our data. On 8 June 2014 14:44, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: A year or so ago, I raised a proposal for a bot to add links from OSM entities, to the equivalent entities in Wikidata. Details are at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing/Wikipedia While there was some interest, things haven't moved very far (I'm not a coder, so am reliant on others). To make a more manageable project, we could perhaps run the job just for the UK (or even a subset of that); and perhaps for a subject of topics (starting with churches, say, or bridges, or railway stations, or whatever). Once success is demonstrated, it could then be replicated for more topics; and in other territories. Can anyone assist? How can we increase community buy-in? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Adding links to Wikidata (and Wikipedia?)
A year or so ago, I raised a proposal for a bot to add links from OSM entities, to the equivalent entities in Wikidata. Details are at: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Pigsonthewing/Wikipedia While there was some interest, things haven't moved very far (I'm not a coder, so am reliant on others). To make a more manageable project, we could perhaps run the job just for the UK (or even a subset of that); and perhaps for a subject of topics (starting with churches, say, or bridges, or railway stations, or whatever). Once success is demonstrated, it could then be replicated for more topics; and in other territories. Can anyone assist? How can we increase community buy-in? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Adding links to Wikidata (and Wikipedia?)
On 8 June 2014 22:49, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: I was taking the question of accuracy as a given. My point was not whether we can accurately add the right tags, but rather whether doing so is actually useful. I was taking the question of usefulness as a given. There's an almost infinite number of things we could add, but if nobody ever uses them, is the time take do so wasted? Why do you (apparently) suppose they will not be used? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OSM session at Wikimania 2014
I've had a session pitch accepted, to speak about OSM at Wikimania 2014 (the annual Wikipedia/ Wikimedia conference; their equivalent of State of the map), held this year in London, in August.. My pitch is at: http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions/OpenStreetMap_-_what_is_it_and_what_does_it_mean_for_Wikimedians%3F Any suggestions for other things I should include will be welcome, and I hope to meet some of you there. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OSM session at Wikimania 2014
On 2 June 2014 12:11, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: I've had a session pitch accepted, to speak about OSM at Wikimania 2014 (the annual Wikipedia/ Wikimedia conference; their equivalent of State of the map), held this year in London, in August. P.S. The talk will be on Saturday afternoon, 9 August, at 2.30pm -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] New features in Oldbury; Willenhall
In case anyone is in the areas concerned... New fire service training tower at Oldbury Fire station: https://twitter.com/WestMidsFire/status/466993647817605120/photo/1 New skate park in Willenhall Memorial Park: http://www.walsalladvertiser.co.uk/Joy-new-160-000-skatepark-unveiled-Willenhall/story-21093177-detail/story.html -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Stourbridge tonight
On 1 May 2014 13:42, stuart lester stules...@googlemail.com wrote: Apologies I can't make it again tonight. Nor me; sorry. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Tag for benches
comfort_rating=0 ? Benches installed in the centre of a seaside town have been deliberately designed to be uncomfortable, council bosses have admitted. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/10/dover-benches-designed-uncomfortable-council-bosses -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Key: PMSA_ref
On 6 April 2014 19:10, Andrew Hain andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: documentation for Public Monuments Sculpture Association PMSA references: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:PMSA_ref What do you see the tag being used for? Have you seen the key documentation? What else would you like to know? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Key: PMSA_ref
I've tidied up and updated the documentation for Public Monuments Sculpture Association PMSA references: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:PMSA_ref and I'd be grateful if someone would cast an eye over it, not least with regard to formatting, as I plan to do more. It seems that the PMSA have, unhelpfully, changed their URI structure, and that the references no longer form part of the URI. For example, WMbiBIxx288 is now: http://pmsa.cch.kcl.ac.uk/pmsa-database/6690/ Should we tag with the URI as well as the ref? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Indoor walkways
On 4 April 2014 20:55, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: The really hard problems are related to how to map multiple levels with our current tools, but this doesn't usually impinge on the basic walkway, although places like the Barbican already show the problem. The Barbican would be a good example to work on; it's the venue for this year's Wikimania (the State of the Map for Wikipedia and sister projects), in August, and it would be neat to showcase the results there. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Fwd: Sampad - My Route
Fyi: -- Forwarded message -- From: do.collaboration v.ro...@bham.ac.uk Date: Apr 3, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: Sampad - My Route To: a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk Is this email not displaying correctly? View it in your browser. My Route at Sampad We're just getting in touch to make you aware of a new opportunity working with Sampad South Asian Arts which you might be interested in. Sampad were recently awarded a grant by the Heritage Lottery Fund to deliver a project called My Route that explores the history of the people and places along Stratford Rd (between Sparkbrook and Hall Green) over the last 70 years. They are seeking an experienced technical developer to create an interactive map which incorporates multimedia in an engaging educational resource about the heritage of the road. The map will be used on multi touch surfaces, a website, and mobile devices. You can get more details about the role and project at: http://www.sampad.org.uk/special-projects/my-route/ -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] W3C Invitation
I gave the requested talk yesterday. During preparatory discussions, it turned out that, while hosted by IBM, the audience was a W3C working group, Data on the web best practice. As such, the interest was no so much trees or gas pipes, but the use of URIs (particularly linked data URIs) in OSM. Using trees and other examples, I described, and we then discussed, how we tag entities in OSM, using UIDs but not necessarily URLs, and issues facing data users who need to resolve those UIDs back to URLs; for example: openplaques_plaque = 1536 to: http://openplaques.org/plaques/1536 To that end, I've just modified [[Template:KeyDescription]] by adding two parameters: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tag:historic%3Dmemorialdiff=prevoldid=1010411 for website and url_pattern; see: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:openplaques_plaque of an example of how they're intended to be used (the label display needs tweaking). Other issues which are unhelpful to data re-users include keys with missing documentation; redundant keys (Key:openplaques_plaque vs Key:openplaques_id); ambiguous keys (ref=1234 - ref in whose database?) and the perennial problem of the lack of stable URIs for entities in OSM. I have yet to solve that one... On 4 March 2014 08:33, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone We have an invitation from IBM to present at this meeting- suggested topic is below. Anyone up for this - either with the topic suggested or with a suitable alternative? Regards Brian A few weeks ago, we had a use case webinar with the CIO of the City of Palo Alto who told us about an local initiative to tag trees with lat/long, genus, size, etc. During the call, we asked him if he also considered tagging the trees with URI's and of course he hadn't. Following the call a colleague sent me an article about how tree roots often damage natural gas lines and lead to widespread gas leaks. Methane is 20x more dangerous as a greenhouse gas than CO2, so gas leaks are a leading cause of global warming. We would like to find an openstreetmaps speaker who can talk about the value of mapping trees and gas lines, and many other things, with URI's. Would you be able to discuss this? We will be meeting on March 31 and April 1 at IBM Southbank, and would love a presentation/discussion the morning or late afternoon of the 31st. Would this topic and date fit? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Digbeth mural unveiled
From Twitter: Grand unveiling of graffiti art mural along the Digbeth branch in Birmingham http://pic.twitter.com/IFuE0gyC2s -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] How mapping software screws wheelchair users…
A Twitter contact has requested comments on this article: http://joereddington.com/2013/12/27/how-mapping-software-screws-wheelchair-users/ -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] British Librarary relaeasees 1million+ free images
As you may have heard today, the British Library has uploaded over 1 mlllion no known copyright restriction images to Flickr: http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html Many maps are included, for example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum001499433 -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Norfolk editors' help needed
My Twitter contact @Mistlemoon, who works for a library service in Norfolk, would like to contact a local editor to ensure that coverage of branch libraries is complete and accurate. If you're not on Twitter, I can put you in touch. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
On 2 December 2013 13:09, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl wrote: The website changes have been announced on the talk mailing list before it went live Perhaps we need an Announce mailing list (with follow-ups set to the 'talk' list)? That way, people wanting important news, but not high-volume discussions, would be catered for. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
On 2 December 2013 14:08, Ed Loach edlo...@gmail.com wrote: I think most of the changes are cosmetic and just need a bit of getting used to. I miss the slider for zooming in and out. Having to make multiple clicks (on the - icon for zooming out) is an inconvenient kludge. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website
On 2 December 2013 15:19, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Andy Mabbett wrote: Perhaps we need an Announce mailing list (with follow-ups set to the 'talk' list)? https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/ :) So, we have an announcements list, but there was no announcement there about the recent change, which people are complaining was inadequately, er, announced? I think they may have a case. (it's a bit unloved though... needs more people volunteering for CWG to help) I'm not sure that more people on a committee will be the solution, here. Is there an approved procedure for releasing significant website changes, to which an action to post to that list could be added? I miss the slider for zooming in and out. Having to make multiple clicks (on the - icon for zooming out) is an inconvenient kludge. You can shift-click the +/- to move three levels at once - apparently this is a standard Leaflet feature. Thank you. While useful to know, that's another kludge (requires two hands; the slider, only one). While I acknowledge that the removal of the slider pre-dates the recent change; what was the reason for doing that? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] George Road Carrs Lane, Hoylake
Someone should survey and map this, ASAP: http://thehoylakebugle.wordpress.com/2013/06/29/dear-buglers-the-mystery-of-over-the-lines-is-finally-explained/ Coordinates: 53.38967,-3.17133 -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Cycling
On 28 November 2013 20:39, Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com wrote: It makes the comment that OSM like Wikipedia, is neither complete nor entirely accurate! Which map is? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Bus stops
On 12 November 2013 09:49, Ed Loach edlo...@gmail.com wrote: For name, use whatever is on the bus stop sign Bus information points use two-letter codes ( stop DL, etc). What about using those? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-GB] Fwd: [MCG] Project Manager: Cynefin (Exploring Wales' Sense of Place (ARCW))
This project may be of interest: -- Forwarded message -- From: Lyn Dafis lyn.lewis.da...@llgc.org.uk Date: Nov 5, 2013 8:15 AM Subject: [MCG] Project Manager: Cynefin (Exploring Walesapos; Sense of Place (ARCW)) To: m...@jiscmail.ac.uk Rheolwr Prosiect Cynefin Project Manager Funding provided by HLF will ensure that diocesan versions of the tithe maps of Wales, currently held by the National Library of Wales (NLW), are restored, digitised and made available online. The £486,000 grant to the Archives and Records Council Wales will mean that what many regard as the earliest large-scale maps of Wales will continue to be an important historical resource for future generations. The grant has been awarded to the project ‘Cynefin: Mapping Wales’ Sense of Place’ which is led by Archives and Records Council Wales working in partnership with the NLW and local authority record offices throughout Wales. The three year project aims to encourage more people to get involved with their archival heritage. Working in conjunction with local heritage groups, six community based projects across Wales will take the tithe maps as a starting point to develop their own local projects based on the changing landscape of their area. The different groups have been chosen to reflect the broad range of communities in modern Wales including English and Welsh speaking communities, urban centres, Communities First areas and isolated rural areas. Applications are invited for the following post: Project Manager: Cynefin (Exploring Wales' Sense of Place (ARCW)) Band 5: £28,833 - £37,830 37 hours per week Fixed term post until 30 September 2016 Closing date for receipt of applications: 21 November 2013 Date of interviews: 9 December 2013 The National Library of Wales offers a diverse range of employment opportunities and seeks to appoint enthusiastic staff to work within the Library services. The employment pack includes 30 days of annual leave, pension plan based on final salary, family friendly policy, flexible working hours a reduced prices in the restaurant. The National Library of Wales is an equal opportunities employer. For an information pack and how to make an application contact the Human Resources Unit on 01970 632530; or e-mail: vacanc...@llgc.org.uk Further information on the National Library of Wales website. http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=1189 Further information about the project: http://www.hlf.org.uk/news/Pages/Cynefin.aspx#.UneUYWeiNnU -- Mae Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru yn cynnig ystod eang o gyfleoedd cyflogaeth ac mae’n ceisio penodi staff brwdfrydig i weithio o fewn gwasanaethau’r Llyfrgell. Gwahoddir ceisiadau am y swydd canlynol: Swyddog Prosiect: Cynefin (Mapio Cymru, Ymdeimlad o Le, Cyngor Archifau a Chofnodion Cymru (ARCW)) Band 5: £23,833 - £37,830 37 awr yr wythnos Swydd tymor penodol tan 30 Medi 2016 Dyddiad cau derbyn ceisiadau: 21 Tachwedd 2013 Dyddiad cyfweliadau: 9 Rhagfyr 2013 -- Lyn Dafis Pennaeth digido, disgrifio a derbynion etifeddol Head of digitisation, description and legacy acquisitions Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru/ The National Library of Wales lyn.lewis.da...@llgc.org.uk Ffôn / Phone (01970) 632 825 website: http://museumscomputergroup.org.uk/ Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/ukmcg Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/museumscomputergroup [un]subscribe: http://museumscomputergroup.org.uk/email-list/ -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
