[Talk-gb-london] Tomorrow (Wednesday) OpenStreetMap pub meet-up at Parcel Yard, Kings X

[Harry Wood]

Tomorrow night (Wednesday 6th March) it's a social OpenStreetMap pub meet-up at 
The Parcel Yard pub, Kings Cross Station, from 7:00pm. Whether you're a mapper, 
map user, or just curious, come join us for map chat and beers!

The Parcel Yard is here on the map: https://osm.org/go/euu4xj5r?m= . This is 
inside Kings Cross station towards the back. Past the funky curvy roof. Past 
the Harry Potter shop. Up some steps. We'll be on the first floor somewhere 
(not the 2nd floor restaurant), but it's quite big. We've got a table booked 
there somewhere under the name Harry Wood. If you think you may have trouble 
recognising anyone, turn up at 7:30pm when the group will be more assembled, 
and look out for maps or OpenStreetMap hi-viz vests. Also take Harry's number: 
O7979815O13

The pub serves food and some/most of us will probably be eating there (The old 
Benito's Hat burrito option has sadly gone!)

Mark yourself as "attending" on https://osmcal.org/event/2698/ if you fancy it. 
Not everyone bothers signing up. We normally expect about 5/10 people at the 
pub.

For event announcements like this see the webpage: https://wiki.osm.org/London
Follow OSMLondon on mastodon: https://en.osm.town/@OSMLondon
Follow OSMLondon on X.  https://twitter.com/OSMLondon

Harry Wood

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Re: [Talk-gb-london] Thu 22nd Feb - Pedestrian Infrastructure Mapathon

[Harry Wood]

On Thursday, 22 February 2024 at 11:08:40 GMT, Robert Skedgell 
 wrote: 





On 21/02/2024 19:58, Harry Wood wrote:

> Tomorrow night (Thursday 22nd Feb) Meta are hosting a "Pedestrian 
> Infrastructure Mapathon" 18:00 - 20:00 pm.
> 
> "The Open Maps Team at Meta is partnering with local citizens to improve map 
> data for pedestrian infrastructure in London ... learn how to increase the 
> accuracy and detail of pedestrian infrastructure data in OpenStreetMap."
> 
> It's hosted at their offices, and involves bringing a laptop along.
> 
> All the details and to sign up:
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfnfeevCxOxzm0_ageO_Jz09BZRBViaHb0oxAiOQ79tJdPR8w/alreadyresponded
> 
> I hope to make it along myself. I also hope to get around to organising the 
> next pub meet-up soon! See the wiki for this and all other events 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London#Upcoming_Events  and follow us on 
> mastodon: https://en.osm.town/@OSMLondon

> 

It's a pity this was at such short notice, as I can't get to this one. 
I've added my details for any future events.

I've noticed a few recent-ish pedestrian edits around the City by Meta's 
mappers (VLD* accounts) which looked quite good.

They're certainly more use for pedestrian navigation than the kilometres 
of decorative sidewalk than we have out in the suburbs (quickly mapped 
for the renderer, usually without crossings).

Hopefully I'll manage to get to one of your pub meet-ups as well.

-- 
Robert Skedgell (rskedgell)




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[Talk-gb-london] Thu 22nd Feb - Pedestrian Infrastructure Mapathon

[Harry Wood]

Tomorrow night (Thursday 22nd Feb) Meta are hosting a "Pedestrian 
Infrastructure Mapathon" 18:00 - 20:00 pm.

"The Open Maps Team at Meta is partnering with local citizens to improve map 
data for pedestrian infrastructure in London ... learn how to increase the 
accuracy and detail of pedestrian infrastructure data in OpenStreetMap."

It's hosted at their offices, and involves bringing a laptop along.

All the details and to sign up:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfnfeevCxOxzm0_ageO_Jz09BZRBViaHb0oxAiOQ79tJdPR8w/alreadyresponded

I hope to make it along myself. I also hope to get around to organising the 
next pub meet-up soon! See the wiki for this and all other events 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London#Upcoming_Events  and follow us on 
mastodon: https://en.osm.town/@OSMLondon







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[Talk-gb-london] Tomorrow night - OpenStreetMap Xmas Pub meet-up!

[Harry Wood]

Tomorrow night (Monday 18th December) it's time for the Christmas OpenStreetMap 
pub meet-up at The Monkey Puzzle pub from 7:00pm. Whether you're a mapper, map 
user, or just curious, come join us to celebrate a Mappy Christmas with lots of 
beers and map chat. The Monkey Puzzle is here on the map: 
https://osm.org/go/euu4EkMw?m= , between Paddington & Edgware Road on the 
circle line, and Lancaster Gate on the central line. It's a little way away 
from the tube stations in a quite an obscure residential location, so you may 
want to find it using a map! It's a small pub, but if you think you may have 
trouble recognising anyone, turn up at 7:30pm when the group will be more 
assembled, and look out for maps or OpenStreetMap hi-viz vests.

The pub serves food and most of us will probably be eating there.

Mark yourself as "attending" on here: https://osmcal.org/event/2479/  if you 
fancy it. Not everyone bothers signing up. We normally expect about 5/10 people 
at the pub.

See this site for more OSMLondon events:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London#Upcoming_Events

...and this mastodon feed: https://en.osm.town/@OSMLondon


Harry

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[Talk-gb-london] OpenStreetMap Pub meet-up - Thu 23rd 7pm Parcel Yard

[Harry Wood]

On Thursday 23rd November it's a social OpenStreetMap pub meet-up at The Parcel 
Yard pub, Kings Cross Station, from 7:00pm. Whether you're a mapper, map user, 
or just curious, come join us for map chat and beers!

The Parcel Yard is here on the map: https://osm.org/go/euu4xj5p?m= This is 
inside Kings Cross station towards the back. Past the funky curvy roof. Past 
the Harry Potter shop. Up some steps. We'll be on the first floor somewhere 
(not the 2nd floor restaurant), but it's quite big. We'll try to get a table 
but may be standing until the after-work crowd subsides. If you think you may 
have trouble recognising anyone, turn up at 7:30pm when the group will be more 
assembled, and look out for maps or OpenStreetMap hi-viz vests or polo shirts.

The pub serves food and some/most of us will probably be eating there (The old 
Benito's Hat burrito option has sadly gone!)

Mark yourself as "attending" on osmcal if you fancy it: 
https://osmcal.org/event/2331/
Not everyone bothers doing so. We expect between 5 and 15 people attending.

See this site for more OSMLondon events:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London#Upcoming_Events

...and this mastodon feed: https://en.osm.town/@OSMLondon

Harry

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[Talk-gb-london] Two events: Mobile mapping workshop in 45 mins + Wed 27th Sep Monkey Puzzle pub

[Harry Wood]

Would it be too late to point out that there's a Mobile Mapping Workshop 
happening in 45 minutes time? Probably... but I thought I'd do it anyway. If 
it's not too late for you, then come join us outside Euston station by the 
Stephenson statue! https://osmcal.org/event/2327/  or we'll be in the World's 
End Pub in Camden later.


Or for a bit more advanced notice:

On Wednesday 27th September we'll have an OpenStreetMap pub meet-up at The 
Monkey Puzzle Pub, from 7:00pm. near Paddington here: 
https://osm.org/go/euu4EkLQQ-?layers=N=   It's also near Edgware Rd, Lancaser 
Gate & Marble arch. In-between all of them in a surprisingly quiet area, so pay 
attention to the location, and maybe find it using ...a map! and their website 
contact page uses OpenStreetMap again hurrah!

It serves pub grub, so most of us will probably be eating there.

Whether you're a mapper, map user, or just curious, come join us! If you think 
you may have trouble recognising anyone, turn up at 7:30pm (when the group will 
be more assembled), and look out for maps or OpenStreetMap hi-viz vests or polo 
shirts.

Mark yourself as attending on osmcal if you like: 
https://osmcal.org/event/2331/  Not everyone bothers signing up. It is just a 
pub after all. You can expect between 5 and 10 people attending.


See this site for more OSMLondon events:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London#Upcoming_Events

...and this mastodon feed: https://en.osm.town/@OSMLondon




Harry


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[Talk-gb-london] Wed 28th Jun, Barley Mow pub. 7:00pm

[Harry Wood]

TOMORROW! (Wednesday 28th June) we'll have an OpenStreetMap social pub meet-up 
at The Barley Mow pub, Westminster, from 7:00pm. Whether you're a mapper, map 
user, or just curious, come join us for map chat and beers!

The Barley Mow (barleymowhorseferryrd.co.uk) is here on the map: 
https://osm.org/go/euut0FBy?m= , Horseferry Road. Westminster, or is it 
Millbank? Closest tube is St James Park central line. Closest big tube is 
Victoria. Warning: There are several other Barley Mow pubs elsewhere in central 
London! We'll try to get a table but likely to be standing until the after-work 
crowd subsides. If you think you may have trouble recognising anyone, turn up 
at 7:30pm when the group will be more assembled, and look out for maps or 
OpenStreetMap hi-viz vests or polo shirts. Also take Harry's number: O7979815O13

Assuming the pub is serving food, some/most of us will probably be eating there.

Mark yourself as "attending" on this site: https://osmcal.org/event/2179/ if 
you fancy it. Not everyone bothers signing up. We normally expect 5/10 people 
at the pub.


This and other events listed here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London
Follow on twitter: https://twitter.com/OSMLondon/
And Mastodon: https://en.osm.town/@OSMLondon

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[Talk-gb-london] Wed 28th #geomob + Tue 4th Oct Monkey Puzzle pub

[Harry Wood]

On Wednesday 28th September there's a #geomob event. Presentations on a variety 
of map/geo topics, often including OpenStreetMap. This time it will include a 
talk by OSMer Ben Abelshausen. Details & sign up: 
https://thegeomob.com/post/sept-28th-2022-geomoblon-details



On Tuesday 4th October we'll have an OpenStreetMap pub meet-up at The Monkey 
Puzzle Pub, from 7:00pm. near Paddington (here on the map: 
https://osm.org/go/euu4EkM4?m= ). It's also near Edgware Rd, Lancaster Gate & 
Marble arch. In-between all of them in a surprisingly quiet area, so pay 
attention to the location, and maybe find it using ...a map! and their website 
contact page uses OpenStreetMap again hurrah!

It serves pub grub, so most of us will probably be eating there.

Whether you're a mapper, map user, or just curious, come join us! If you think 
you may have trouble recognising anyone, turn up at 7:30pm (when the group will 
be more assembled), and look out for maps or OpenStreetMap hi-viz vests or polo 
shirts.

Mark yourself as attending on osmcal if you like: 
https://osmcal.org/event/1605/  Not everyone bothers signing up. It is just a 
pub after all. You can expect between 5 and 10 people attending.

Harry


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Re: [OSM-talk] Removing "Wikiproject" prefix from place pages

[Harry Wood]

 The idea of getting rid of the "WikiProject" page title prefix. There's a bit 
of discussion of that 
herehttps://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_organisation#Page_Name_conventions.2Fguidelines
Discussion from 10 years ago!  As I said a the time, I support the idea in 
principle. I don't like the "WikiProject" prefixes on country pages and I've 
given my justification for that there, however it's a relatively subtle benefit 
and quite a disruptive major renaming exercise.
10 years later though there's a shift of opinion which might mean we're ready 
for this. What I mean is, over time there's probably fewer people feeling 
precious about their old wiki pages and more people feeling the wiki needs to 
be tidier! (and getting page naming right can help with tidiness although it's 
far from the only issue)
Another overlapping topic is how we use sub-pages. Generally we use them too 
much in my opinion. Often renaming a country page will entail renaming a whole 
load of sub-pages.
The list of "WikiProject" titled pages is 
here:https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex/WikiProject?hideredirects=1
Harry


On Thursday, 18 July 2019, 01:29:10 BST, dcapillae  
wrote:  
 
 Hi,

I'm renaming some wiki pages to remove the "Wikiproject" prefix from the
country pages, following the page naming conventions [1].

I renamed the pages related to Spain months ago. Then I continued through
America. The pages of all Spanish-speaking countries are already renamed [2]
and I have just renamed the pages related to the United States [3].

I would encourage you to make these changes for yourselves. If a volunteer
from each local community did it on their country page, we would do it
together and much faster.

I will try to rename the pages related to Canada, maybe Germany or Italy, if
I have time. First I have to contact the local communities to know if they
want to collaborate or if they prefer to rename them themselves.

Regards,
Daniel

[1]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_organisation#Pages_naming_convention
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Spanish_speaking_countries
[3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States



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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM user diary etiquette

[Harry Wood]

 I definitely support moderation actions on the diaries (or indeed any channel) 
when somebody steps way out of line.
> It is unfortunate because this means that quite a few useful comments> 
>written by some of you - the main subject was ways of fighting diary
> spam - were dropped too.
Do you have the option of *editing* a diary entry to delete sections of it, or 
even delete the whole text?  e.g. leaving a message"---This section has been 
removed because it did not meet our community standards".
Not saying you should have done so in this case. Just wondering if it is an 
option.
This would leave the comments. Some of the comments might then lack context, 
but it might still be a better outcome if the discussion was useful.Weirdly 
it's also a stronger moderation slap-down. The perpetrator suffers the ignominy 
of this message publicly on display within their diary. I've seen this approach 
a website elsewhere.I guess one consideration is that when diaries are 
moderated away, they are actually "soft deleted" whereas *editing* a diary 
would lose the original text.
Anyway...  on the broader principle. At the risk of bringing back the "code of 
conduct" discussion... If we set out somewhere a set of community standards in 
terms of "be nice to eachother", but also the types of topics we expect to 
appear as OpenStreetMap diaries, what would we set out?
I think we might decide that the standards of behaviour on the diaries should 
be higher than those of the mailing list. I mean the counterargument on the 
mailing list is always the desire to promote a "space for lively debate", but 
diaries are less of a discussion medium, more of a broadcast medium. We don't 
want to disallow people putting forth "political" thoughts or manifestos about 
the project, which inevitably will stray into bad-mouthing groups or even 
individuals on occasions, but in general we want diaries to be more carefully 
worded and well thought out. On balance a diary entry should be "respectful", 
"considerate", and "collaborative" ...but I'm quoting from the code of conduct 
now :-)
We could also say diary entries should "make sense", e.g. minimum length. Not 
just some a few random words. This would allow us to delete quite a few weird 
diary entries from new users which clutter things (And they're possibly 
spammers flagging), but I'd be creating more work for moderations with that 
idea.
We could also say diary entries should not be used a place to pose a question, 
or engage in communication styles which obviously fit better on other channels. 
For example I saw someone post a diary entry asking if the tile servers were 
currently offline. He argued that this was the best way to get attention, which 
may well be true, but it was an obvious misuse of the diaries feature to my 
mind.
Harry


On Tuesday, 25 June 2019, 00:23:34 BST, Frederik Ramm  
wrote:  
 
 Hi,

I am writing this with my DWG hat on.

The OSM user diaries are not routinely moderated but the DWG has the
technical means to hide comments or whole posts, and will make use of
these in extreme situations.

I am writing to inform you that there as been one such situation, where
a contributor time and time again over recent months used various
expletives and insults to belittle the work of others in the project.
He's been told to stop it numerous times; at one point when told that
insults don't get him anywhere he said that he disagreed, because he had
actually got a reaction to an insult. In another situation where he was
told that his message could be heard better if he weren't wrapping it in
so much bile, he responded "don't tell me what to do".

We first tried to only hide those comments that were absolutely
inacceptable ("viciuos brat", "violent little shit" etc.) but even those
messages that were factual were always seasoned with a sentence
explaining how this and that other person was an idiot, amateur, etc.,
so in the end we just hid a handful of blog entries altogether. We
wouldn't normally moderate someone for calling someone else an "amateur"
but if it's framed by constant, stronger abuse then that lowers the bar
considerably.

It is unfortunate because this means that quite a few useful comments
written by some of you - the main subject was ways of fighting diary
spam - were dropped too.

As I said, it's a rare exception for us to have to do this; these
messages, especially because they weren't one-off heat-of-the-moment
posts but a sustained onslaught, far surpassed in offensiveness anything
I've seen on this or any other OSM mailing list in recent years.

I won't say who the user is - those of you who were involved will
recognize it, and those who weren't probably shouldn't waste any time
with it.

Bye
Frederik

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[Talk-gb-london] Xmas Pub meet-up tomorrow (Thu)

[Harry Wood]

Tomorrow night (Thu 13th Dec) we're having a little Christmas London pub 
meet-up at Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese pub from 6:30pm. Join us for some friendly 
social beers and a festive celebration of all things OpenStreetMap!
Ye Olde Cheshire Cheese is down an alleyway off Fleet Street (here on the map 
https://osm.org/go/euu4pXrPS?m= ). Between Chancery Lane. St Paul's & 
Blackfriars. We will be downstairs, possibly deep downstairs. This pub has more 
seating the deeper down you go, so chances are we may be level=-3!

Whether you're a mapper, map user, or just curious, come join us! If you think 
you may have trouble recognising anyone, turn up at 7pm (when the group will be 
more assembled), and look out for maps or OpenStreetMap hi-viz vests or polo 
shirts. 

Sign-up on eventbrite if you like: 
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/openstreetmap-xmas-pub-meet-up-tickets-53539300489
It'll probably be quite a small event. We expect somewhere between 5 and 15 
people. I've set the ticket limit to 50, so yeah. Limited capacity! don't 
delay! :-)

As ever, events like this are listed here:  https://wiki.osm.org/London and 
tweeted about on https://twitter.com/OSMLondon
Harry
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Board decision on Crimea complaint

[Harry Wood]

 Yeah it will be interesting to see what the board has to say about this in 
more detail. I think on the whole I'm glad the decision has gone this way. In 
my mind the case of Crimea has hung in the balance with very strong arguments 
in favour of both approaches.
I have great respect for the way DWG have handled things. Basically it seems 
they treated Crimea "with kid gloves" (as Stereo puts it) for a few years, and 
more recently tried to transition towards better alignment with our policies. 
So (as with other crap they have to deal with) it's a shame they've born the 
brunt of various attacks about this.
I would hope the board's decision is not, and should not be interpreted as, a 
rebuking of DWG, but rather it desire to work with DWG to reanalyse this and 
make adjustments to our policy to better match this kind of scenario. No need 
to be up-in-arms about anything here.
...but I'm putting words in other people's mouths. Let's wait and see what the 
board has to say (and yeah give them some time. We're all volunteers)
Harry Wood


On Monday, 10 December 2018, 18:12:44 GMT, Manfred A. Reiter 
 wrote:  
 
 "When in doubt, also consider the "on the ground rule": map the world as it 
can be observed by someone physically there."

source: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/How_We_Map

- no further comment - 

## Manfred Reiter - mobile -
## please excuse typos and brevity


Am Mo., 10. Dez. 2018, 11:58 hat Martijn van Exel  geschrieben:

Hi all,

On November 17, the OSMF Board of Directors received a request to review the 
Nov 14, 2018 Data Working Group decision regarding Crimea.

The Board decided that this decision is to be reversed and the previous 
situation, as laid out in the May 5, 2014 Data Working Group minutes, is to 
further remain in effect.

The board highly values the Data Working Group’s work and appreciates the 
difficulty and complexity of the cases they are asked to review on an ongoing 
basis.

A more comprehensive statement will follow in the next weeks.

Best regards,
Martijn van Exel
Secretary, OpenStreetMap Foundation
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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] [OSM-dev] Tool update from HOT: MapCampaigner

[Harry Wood]

Well this is drifting off the original topic but...

Greg Morgan  wrote:
> This is nothing more than an uneducated attack on my favorite part of the
> US tax code, 501.c3. This is also nothing more than an attack on a group
> trying to build the OSM community.

Seems a bit strong. Some folks need to try harder to understand the issues of 
data quality that we have. Even with validation steps in place, we produce 
fairly poor quality data sometimes. Jean-Marc is not making that up. We want to 
continue welcoming lots of new contributors and recognising that they will make 
mistakes, but validation and eventually converging on good quality data is 
something we still need to get better at. No need to take this as an attack, 
although...

> Jean-Marc Liotier  wrote:
> If one needs number to report back to donors, then integrate this sort of
> thing with the task manager - and explain to donors how erroneous data is> 
> sharply negative value

I think this little "number to report back to donors" comment does betray a 
belief I've heard expressed quite often in the wider OSM community, that 
humanitarian mappers are allowing OpenStreetMap to be co-opted by large aid 
organisations (to various evil ends?!) This all seems very cynical and 
glass-half-emtpy to me, but I ask myself whether there's anything to be done to 
allay those fears. Probably not a lot. I've heard some surprising concern (and 
cynicism) about who is designing task manager projects and why. To me this 
suggests we could do a better a job of describing the "why" story behind the 
projects sometimes.

Jean-Marc is making a technical suggestion which I want to echo.
>"Integrating within the task manager the tracking of the quantity of Osmose 
>defects would go some way towards addressing the monitoring of actual quality"
I like this idea. It doesn't necessarily need to be osmose, but I definitely 
feel like we could weave in more automated data checks. Imagine a count of data 
bugs between each comment/action on the timeline of a task square, so we can 
see errors increasing as a beginner adds lots of new data, and hopefully 
reducing as validators fix or give feedback (Not that all types of human 
validation work would be reflected in automated checks but...)

These tools have been known in OSM as "Quality Assurance" tools. To Frederik's 
point, personally I actually think *this* naming, which we settled on a long 
time ago, is weirdly over-broad. We should have called them "data checks" or 
"data bugs" or something, because surely "quality" of a map is much more than 
counting up how many data glitches there are, and surely it *does* include how 
complete the map is (e.g. complete with more rich POI coverage)

Which brings me onto my last point. Actually when I look back at the 
MapCampaigner tool (Yes. That's what we were supposed to be commenting on 
here!) I'm surprised to find that it seems to have little to do with our most 
quantity-heavy remote building mapping TM projects. So that's all a bit off 
topic. The example trackers on there are for progress with on-the-ground POI 
mapping. Good stuff! While some folks will still fear that this aid 
organisation work is evil somehow, I generally feel that on-the-ground mapping 
by aid organisations is precious and to be celebrated and boosted as much as 
possible.

Harry



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Re: [Talk-GB] Footpath project - tools

[Harry Wood]

Alright then Rob! Here we go. The "footpaths edit tracker":
https://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/footpaths/

So far 89 people have done 1214 edits to objects with the 
designation=public_footpath tag.

Harry



 On Sunday, 8 July 2018, 16:55:27 BST, Rob Nickerson 
 wrote:
Looking back at the schools one, it would be amazing if Harry's tool could be 
adapted to the designation=public_footpath (and others) tag. Is this possible?


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Re: [Talk-gb-london] Transport for London & OSM - station mappingproject

[Harry Wood]

Hi Theo

It's really exciting to hear Transport For London are getting involved!

"internal layout of the public areas of our stations" sounds interesting. 
They'll be some spectacular new underground mapping to do for cross rail next 
year some time hey? It's difficult to map on a casual contributing basis. I 
tried adding details of the new London Bridge lower level atrium, but it 
involved a fair bit of positional guesswork. We've had a few people interested 
in mapping more details of this kind of thing over the years.  There was a 
small discussion on this London mailing list (which is rare) back in 2016 when 
Bjoern Hassler was getting interested in fixing tube station entrances data for 
example:  
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-london/2016-July/93.html
 
Great to see METZ helping out with this. I see they employ lots of OSMers! This 
is reassuring. I imagine they know what they're doing! But if you need any help 
while part way through the process (e.g. after doing one station), let us know.

We've got a presentations evening/ questions event on 7th March OpenStreetMap 
Q London: https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Q-A-Meetup/events/241310674/
If you fancy meeting some us face to face, it would fantastic to have you along 
at this!

Harry Wood




On Monday, 26 February 2018, 17:12:47 GMT, Chapple Theo 
<theochap...@tfl.gov.uk> wrote: 

Hello OSM London community

Theo from Transport for London here! I manage TfL’s open data products and 
wanted to let you all know about an exciting project (hopefully the first of 
many) we’re about to start work on using OpenStreetMap.

We really appreciate the impressive level of detail about our network (bus 
stops, bus services, tube entrances and railway infrastructure) that the OSM 
community have already added to OpenStreetMap. To supplement this and aligned 
with our open data strategy, we would like to add maps of the internal layout 
of the public areas of our stations. We have therefore commissioned our 
supplier, MENTZ (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MENTZ_GmbH), to add this 
publicly observable data to OSM and give the OSM community and users access to 
it. 

MENTZ will start to add the data for roughly 30 major stations in London over 
the next few weeks. We will be quality checking data while MENTZ are adding it 
to OSM so you may notice us making edits. We are planning to use this data for 
an internal project initially but we may, in future, decide to use it in our 
customer products. Once we have completed our quality checks and all the data 
is added to OSM, we will post to let you know that the work is completed. We 
will also be promoting the data in OSM to our open data users and key partners.

-The mapping scheme will build on
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_public_transport_tagging_scheme

-We will add the following extra features not yet covered:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_public_transport_tagging_scheme/TfL_Barrier-Free

-This scheme is strictly derived from
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_Indoor_Tagging
to be as compatible as possible. The scheme is already in widespread use in 
France and Germany.

Please let us know if you have any questions or comments about this project. We 
really value your feedback and support.

Thanks,

Theo

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Re: [Talk-GB] Importing Shell fuel stations

[Harry Wood]

I wanted to make some little improvements to your map display (more readable 
tags)
http://bl.ocks.org/harry-wood/raw/1c590b852dd2f43569c085dc554b9abd/

I'm not that familiar with 'gists'. They don't have 'pull requests' hey? Anyway 
my fork is 
here:https://gist.github.com/harry-wood/1c590b852dd2f43569c085dc554b9abd
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Re: [Talk-GB] Open survey on participation biases in OSM

[Harry Wood]

So I guess you're looking for : https://vimeo.com/44870758  
SheepCamp 2012, Monica Stephens


There's a pretty big list of articles and talks on the Diversity wiki page 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity

Harry

From: Zoe Gardner 
To: Dave F  
Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Monday, 18 September 2017, 11:25
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Open survey on participation biases in OSM



Hi Dave

Here is a link to the article you are talking about. The author is Monica 
Stephens. It may be tricky to access if you're not affiliated to an institution 
that subscribes to the journal. However, you should be able access the 
abstract. I haven't seen her presenting this work but with the info from the 
link you may be able to find something. 

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10708-013-9492-z


Hope its what you were looking for. 

Zoe


On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:10 PM, Dave F  wrote:

Hi
>My Youtube history got cleared. Does anyone have a link the video of
   a woman giving a lecture about contribution discrepancies in open
   data projects. She used OSM brothels & childcare as examples.
>
>Ta
>DaveF
>
>
>
>
>On 04/09/2017 11:38, Zoe Gardner wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>Dear OSM talk-gb subscriber
>>> 
>>>I am a Research Fellow in the Nottingham Geospatial Institute at the 
>>>University of Nottingham, interested in participation biases in geospatial 
>>>crowdsourced projects such as OSM and other Volunteered Geographical 
>>>Information (VGI) projects. My current research project is concerned with 
>>>the way in which participation biases in OSM may potentially affect the 
>>>usability of the data that is collected and subsequently what is available 
>>>to location based service providers which use OSM as their primary 
>>>geospatial database.
>>>The project is motivated by recent research that has found a strong male 
>>>bias in OSM participation. This has led to assertions that various 
>>>geospatial knowledge could be under represented or poorly recorded on the 
>>>map. However, the actual consequences of this bias remain little explored or 
>>>reported. By collecting information about contributors to OSM, which can 
>>>then be analyzed along with their editing patterns, the impacts of this bias 
>>>might begin to be measured and therefore better understood. I have therefore 
>>>published an online survey designed to collect information directly from OSM 
>>>editors and I would like to invite as many of you as possible to 
>>>participate. The survey is anonymous and takes a couple of minutes to 
>>>complete. 
>>>If you are an OSM contributor and are interested in or would like to 
>>>participate in the study, please click on the link below, which will take 
>>>you to the Bristol Online Survey website where you will find more 
>>>information and an opportunity to participate in the survey. As a small 
>>>incentive, at the close of the survey in a few weeks’ time, 60 respondents 
>>>will be drawn at random to receive a £15 Amazon voucher.
>>> 
>>>To participate in the survey, click on the link below:
>>> 
>>>https://nottingham.onlinesurve ys.ac.uk/osm-user-profiles
>>> 
>>>Please do think about participating. It is hoped that knowledge about the 
>>>way participation biases impact on crowdsourced maps will enable new 
>>>strategies to be developed to address any resulting voids in the geospatial 
>>>information provided by amateur mappers. In turn this could strengthen the 
>>>role played by platforms such as OSM in urban planning and sustainability 
>>>and raise the profile of the important mapping work that you all do. 
>>> 
>>>In the meantime, if you would like to know more about me, my research 
>>>activities or the project, please visit my University webpage (link below) 
>>>and do not hesitate to get in touch directly or via the OSM messaging 
>>>service. 
>>> 
>>>https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/e ngineering/people/zoe.gardner
>>> 
>>>Thank you
>>>Zoe 
>>> 
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[Talk-gb-london] ☢need your help

[Harry Wood]

Hello friend, 

I couldn't find some products  so I  chose  to ask for your help, here's what 
I'm looking  for 
http://natoquest.org/www/administrator/help/en-GB/downtown.php?UE90YWxrLWdiLWxvbmRvbkBvcGVuc3RyZWV0bWFwLm9yZw--

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[Talk-GB] Access tagging for buses and service=bus

[Harry Wood]

I came across a few tagging quirks to do with bus access and specifically 
"service=bus"
First of all there's some roads with service=Bus (uppercase B). So that's 
definitely a mistake.Only exists in a cluster in Manchester ...plus a small 
cluster in Sao 
Paulo!:https://overpass-turbo.eu/?w=%22service%22%3D%22Bus%22+global

The idea of the service=bus tag is to allow a bus routing system to know that a 
service road is for buses, with the implication that all other service roads 
should be not for buses. That was a surprise to me. When I configured a bus 
routing system (doing this as part of my day job at TransportAPI), it didn't 
occur to me to disallow buses driving down service roads, but maybe I should 
rethink that.
In any case it seems to me that the access tagging should be regarded as 
orthogonal to this. What I mean is, while we might tag a road as service=bus, 
we should also make sure that all these special roads for buses ...allow buses! 
If they're access=no, then we need to also make sure they are bus=yes (or 
psv=yes). Sounds reasonable?
So I came up with this Overpass query to try to find those problems 
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/pDR  Not too many.
Should we go ahead and fix those things? Quite a small job. I can do it myself 
actually.

There are many other problems (bigger problems!) we could fix with bus data in 
the UK. For example an extension of this idea would be to check for access 
tagging on all ways which are part of bus route relations. And of course 
there's coverage of the bus route relations themselves. That's something we 
were discussing here as a possible UK quarterly mapping project: 
https://www.loomio.org/d/uBc7x1Ok/quarterly-project-july-sept2017
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Re: [Talk-GB] Birmingham Tree Import

[Harry Wood]

> On 27/04/2017 20:26, Brian Prangle wrote:

> I've annotated Harry's Import wiki page with some comments and ideas.

This one: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data 

I don't want you to think of it as *my* wiki page. Like any wiki page we should 
aim to reflect the balance of opinion on there. I tried to distill discussion 
so far. Actually we haven't discussed the tree tags all that much. I was 
summarising a lot from Will Phillips Mar 19th: 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-March/020058.html
...with a bit of my own opinion in stirred in.


There's a section of the wiki page 'Data fields'...
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data#Data_fields
which you could fill in with more details. form, age, plot_number, and (as 
already mentioned) usrn, could all do with some explanation.

As for my own opinions on the tags, my main feeling is that they add up to 
quite a heavyweight transfer of database columns. I think I would suggest 
slimming out these ones entirely:
  site_name=LUDGATE HILL
  ward=Ladywood
  constituency=City Centre
Because (like the old is_in tag) these are not technically necessary, and not 
really appropriate for something as fine-grained and numerous as tree nodes.


> Apart from some posts  about the problems with email notifications of
> changeset discussions, there has been nothing to indicate where I take this
> import. I guess that's because the initative is really down to me.

Yes. I guess the question now is whether it's necessary to fix some aspects of 
the tagging via a corrective bulk edit, and whether that should happen before 
or after finishing off the last bit of the import.

You said you've done quadrants of the city: NW,SW & SE completed. So just the 
NE quadrant to finish off. You've added 42,974 so far, so there's what? another 
~15,000 trees to add?  To me it seems reasonable to just finish that off. That 
leaves us with a consistent uniform set of trees tagged the same way (to fix if 
needed).

Harry

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[Talk-gb-london] OpenStreetMap pub meet-up TONIGHT Monkey Puzzle Paddington

[Harry Wood]

TONIGHT (Thursday 20th April) we'll have a London pub meet-up at the Monkey 
Puzzle from 6:30pm. Join us for some friendly social beers and chit chat on the 
subject of OpenStreetMap (contributing/using experienced/beginners, whatever 
interests you in and around OpenStreetMap!)

Special guest: Simon Poole!

The Monkey Puzzle is near Paddington (here on the map 
http://osm.org/go/euu4EkJrl-?m= . It's also near Edgeware Rd, Lancaster Gate & 
Marble arch. In-between all of them in a surprisingly quiet area, so pay 
attention to the location, and maybe find it using ...a map!

Oh and it serves pub grub, so most of us will probably be eating there.
Whether you're a mapper, map user, or just curious, come join us! If you think 
you may have trouble recognising anyone, turn up half an hour late (when the 
group will be more assembled), and look out for maps or OpenStreetMap hi-viz 
vests or polo shirts


Sign up here:
https://attending.io/events/openstreetmap-london-2017-01-b4b88a66-6886-4dbf-a107-37173625a55e
 ...if you fancy it. Not everyone bothers signing up. We normally expect about 
5/10 people at the pub.


Sorry for the short notice I'm better at these channels:
Wiki events list: https://wiki.osm.org/London
Twitter: https://twitter.com/OSMLondon
but even then it was quite short notice

I don't think there's a Missing Maps meet-up scheduled just yet, but an early 
May event is probably about to be announced.

Harry

p.s. Nice to have some non-spam email for a change hey? This email really is 
from me. Do click those thinks ^ :-)

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] Import Progress

[Harry Wood]

I've created a wiki page specifically about the tree data import.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data

It would be better if somebody involved in running the import, would do this 
(per the Import Guidelines), but I've drawn together various info I could find 
from Brian's blog posts, and from poking at the data myself.

I didn't poke at the origin data. We could document the complete list of fields 
they provide.
Also is the whole data set is now imported? I count ~43000 nodes, but Brian's 
blog mentions 76,000 trees. How many changesets was that? To what extent has 
the data now been modified after import? What is 'usrn'?

Harry

Andy Townsend wrote:
> If it exists, an actual link would be really useful here.  I'm aware of 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-March/002127.html
>  
> but that is by no means a "well-defined and transparent plan". 
...
> It'd be great to be able to move forward here - to identify the parts of 
> the process that were missed, to have a discussion about tags (including 
> answering e.g. Will's questions from 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-March/020058.html 
> ).  The replies to this thread make it pretty clear that the West 
> Midlands group has some work to do to persuade the majority of the UK 
> OSM community that the approach taken so far is a good one.

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Import Progress

[Harry Wood]

I've created a wiki page specifically about the tree data import.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Birmingham_City_Council_trees_data

It would be better if somebody involved in running the import, would do this 
(per the Import Guidelines), but I've drawn together various info I could find 
from Brian's blog posts, and from poking at the data myself.

I didn't poke at the origin data. We could document the complete list of fields 
they provide.
Also is the whole data set is now imported? I count ~43000 nodes, but Brian's 
blog mentions 76,000 trees. How many changesets was that? To what extent has 
the data now been modified after import? What is 'usrn'?

Harry

Andy Townsend wrote:
> If it exists, an actual link would be really useful here.  I'm aware of 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb-westmidlands/2017-March/002127.html
>  
> but that is by no means a "well-defined and transparent plan". 
...
> It'd be great to be able to move forward here - to identify the parts of 
> the process that were missed, to have a discussion about tags (including 
> answering e.g. Will's questions from 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2017-March/020058.html 
> ).  The replies to this thread make it pretty clear that the West 
> Midlands group has some work to do to persuade the majority of the UK 
> OSM community that the approach taken so far is a good one.

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Re: [Talk-gb-london] London, network=Barclays Cycle Hire

[Harry Wood]

I forgot to say, I checked what everybody thought in the pub on Tuesday.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/harrywood/33071560616/ (We all seemed to agree 
network=tfl_cycle_hire)

Nice one Dan. Thanks for making it happen!

Harry


- Original Message -
From: Dan S 
To: Talk GB ; "talk-gb-london@openstreetmap.org" 

Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2017, 14:46
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-london] London, network=Barclays Cycle Hire

I've now made this edit. Bit scary doing these bulk edits - now
waiting to get shouted at ;)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46394466

Cheers
Dan


2017-02-23 15:44 GMT+00:00 Dan S :
> Thanks all for the comments. So I'll plan to make this change soon. I
> made an "automated edit" page to officially describe the change:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits/mcld
>
> Best
> Dan
>
> 2017-02-18 12:31 GMT+00:00 Dan S :
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Exactly 1 year ago, Harry pointed out that most of London's bike hire
>> scheme was still tagged as "Barclays Cycle Hire" even though it's not
>> called that any more.
>> 
>>
>> He said: "I think this is a case where (PROPOSAL) we Londoners should
>> be bold and swap them all over as a single edit."
>>
>> I concurred back then, and I still do. I invite opinions as to the
>> best value to put in the network=* tag (see the discussion on the
>> wiki, for some suggestions). I've pasted at the end of this email, the
>> current counts of values used.
>>
>> I'd like to propose carrying out that edit, i.e. a simple edit to the
>> network=* values listed below, for amenity=bicycle_rental. (Note that
>> we'd avoid editing other network=* values such as "Brompton Dock",
>> different scheme.)
>>
>> Best
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> 422 "network": "Barclays Cycle Hire"
>>   1 "network": "Barclays Cycle Hire Scheme"
>>   1 "network": "Barkleys Cycle Hire"
>>   1 "network": "Santander"
>>  20 "network": "Santander Cycle Hire"
>>  42 "network": "Santander Cycles"
>>   1 "network": "TfL"
>>   1 "network": "TFL"
>>   3 "network": "TfL Cycle Hire"
>>   1 "network": "TFL Cycle Hire"

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-london] London, network=Barclays Cycle Hire

[Harry Wood]

I forgot to say, I checked what everybody thought in the pub on Tuesday.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/harrywood/33071560616/ (We all seemed to agree 
network=tfl_cycle_hire)

Nice one Dan. Thanks for making it happen!

Harry


- Original Message -
From: Dan S 
To: Talk GB ; "talk-gb-lon...@openstreetmap.org" 

Sent: Saturday, 25 February 2017, 14:46
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-london] London, network=Barclays Cycle Hire

I've now made this edit. Bit scary doing these bulk edits - now
waiting to get shouted at ;)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/46394466

Cheers
Dan


2017-02-23 15:44 GMT+00:00 Dan S :
> Thanks all for the comments. So I'll plan to make this change soon. I
> made an "automated edit" page to officially describe the change:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits/mcld
>
> Best
> Dan
>
> 2017-02-18 12:31 GMT+00:00 Dan S :
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Exactly 1 year ago, Harry pointed out that most of London's bike hire
>> scheme was still tagged as "Barclays Cycle Hire" even though it's not
>> called that any more.
>> 
>>
>> He said: "I think this is a case where (PROPOSAL) we Londoners should
>> be bold and swap them all over as a single edit."
>>
>> I concurred back then, and I still do. I invite opinions as to the
>> best value to put in the network=* tag (see the discussion on the
>> wiki, for some suggestions). I've pasted at the end of this email, the
>> current counts of values used.
>>
>> I'd like to propose carrying out that edit, i.e. a simple edit to the
>> network=* values listed below, for amenity=bicycle_rental. (Note that
>> we'd avoid editing other network=* values such as "Brompton Dock",
>> different scheme.)
>>
>> Best
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> 422 "network": "Barclays Cycle Hire"
>>   1 "network": "Barclays Cycle Hire Scheme"
>>   1 "network": "Barkleys Cycle Hire"
>>   1 "network": "Santander"
>>  20 "network": "Santander Cycle Hire"
>>  42 "network": "Santander Cycles"
>>   1 "network": "TfL"
>>   1 "network": "TFL"
>>   3 "network": "TfL Cycle Hire"
>>   1 "network": "TFL Cycle Hire"

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[Talk-gb-london] Pub meet-up TONIGHT Blue posts

[Harry Wood]

TONIGHT we're at the Blue Posts pub from 7pm. Newman St. Join us for some 
friendly social beers and chit chat on the subject of OpenStreetMap 
(contributing/using experienced/beginners, whatever interests you in and around 
OpenStreetMap!)
Two important notes:
1) There are several pubs called Blue Posts. We're at the one on Newman St. 
It's near Tottenham Court Road tube. et (here on the map 
http://osm.org/go/euu4OnIux?m= ). 
2) Blue posts has an upstairs area which is quite well hidden, but do find it 
and check upstairs if you don't see us downstairs

Whether you're a mapper, map user, or just curious, come join us! If you think 
you may have trouble recognising anyone, turn up at 7:30pm (when the group will 
be more assembled), and look out for maps or I'll be there with my OSM hi-viz 
vests and wearing a navy blue SOTM 2016 conference T-shirt!
Sign up on attending.io  
https://attending.io/events/openstreetmap-pub-meet-up-2017-02 ...if you fancy 
it. Not everyone bothers signing up. We normally expect about 5/10 people at 
the pub.

This event and others listed on the wiki page

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/London
And tweeted from @OSMLondon

Harry

p.s. I'll ask around the pub table what the boris bike network tag should be, 
and report back :-)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Propose automated edit to update NAPTAN data in the west mids

[Harry Wood]

I was thinking of embarking on some development work to re-examine the NaPTAN 
dataset myself. We regularly consume this dataset at TransportAPI, so I have 
some code which works with Stops.csv 

The NoVAM viewer http://www.mappa-mercia.org/novam is currently broken. 
Probably easy to fix. It's trying to do XAPI calls to an instance which is 
"forbidden". Can we move that codebase into github and bring it back to 
life?Why was it called Novam?
Anyway I think this had the right idea of doing comparisons and making it clear 
which data was changed when. It could be extended to allow selective import too 
I imagine. 
I'd like to render a more of a UK-wide perspective, so we can see more 
visually, where data was imported. Also I want to see visually how many stops 
have been "corrected" by OSMers since import, and I want to do a comparison 
between naptan versions, to see how many of the stops have changed position 
within NaPTAN over the years (and find where these updates are not within 
OpenStreetMap yet. Grimsby town centre used to be a big example of this before 
I fixed it)
Harry
  From: Brian Prangle 
 To: Talk GB  
 Sent: Friday, 3 February 2017, 17:52
 Subject: [Talk-GB] Propose automated edit to update NAPTAN data in the west 
mids
   
Hi everyone

We have an opportunity to work with the regional transport authority TfWM to 
update this data which is 8 years old and partially edited by OSM users. They 
have assigned 2 developers to work on this and I'm spending a half day each 
week working with them.

We've agreed and discussed this in our mappa mercia group and also contacted a 
prolific local public transport OSM editor who's not part of  our group.

In line with the automated edits policy there's a wikipage with full details

Comments welcome as this exercise might be useful elswhere as the state of 
NAPTAN data will be in a similar state

regards

Brian

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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly task

[Harry Wood]

We never actually tried out loomio properly for this. I think we can go here...
https://www.loomio.org/d/xagnZoK4/what-should-the-next-project-be-
...and "Start a proposal" for several different ideas and then vote on them, 
and a pretty pie chart starts appearing.

But...  yeah if Brian just picks a topic, that also works for me! Might be the 
best way.

Harry


On 2 January 2017 at 12:35, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Well we seem to be no nearer reaching agreement on the plethora of
> suggestions with more people suggesting what they don't want to do rather
> than what they do want to do.

This will always happen [1]. Unless there are laid and substantive
objections ("X will not work because Y"), it will be best to pick a
topic and let the nay-sayers opt out (or put up) until the next one


[1] for more on a another form of this phenomenon, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_triviality

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK website

[Harry Wood]

Yes. openstreetmap.org.uk would be a good canonical url, and appropriate in my 
opinion, that OSMF would own the domain but point it at an someone's server. Is 
firefishy the man to organise this?
Note: if that is the canonical url, this would mean that Dennis should be 
looking into *redirecting* osmuk.org (a different technical process. probably 
easier). We don't want two different functioning domains for the website
Harry

 
 
  On Sat, 31 Dec, 2016 at 13:39, Shaun McDonald 
wrote:   The openstreetmap.co.uk and openstreetmap.org.uk domains could be an 
option, currently in OSMF ownership, as listed on 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Domain_names
Shaun

On 31 Dec 2016, at 12:53, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
Hi all,

I have created a very simple wordpress site for the new UK company. If anyone 
has a suitable URL to direct at the site please let me know. (Dennis is looking 
at pointing the osmuk.org url but others welcome).

Rob
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Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home

[Harry Wood]

"Apart from size, I fail to see the difference"
Well the difference is whether you can go there and see the business.
The effect of this verifiability rule might be a size thing, which might mean 
that the cottage industry baking cupcakes doesn't get added but...

More importantly from a process point of view this ultimately makes the 
difference between copying a database versus using a database as a check-list 
for surveying the existence of things.

Worth clarifying which of the two we think we're doing. If we're going to add 
in things which we can't see when we go there, then we are just copying a 
database in.

Harry

From: Dave F 
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016, 12:58
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] FHRS and businesses run from home



OSM became a company list as soon as the third business was added. Lists of 
things is what the database is all about, it's just that the most common way of 
representing them is geographically spaced out on a map, instead of an Excel 
spreadsheet.

Apart from size, I fail to see the difference between a cottage
   industry baking cupcakes in the kitchen & Mr Kipling churning
   out battenbergs by the mile in huge factories. The FHRS database
   listing a business at a domestic address is verification IMO.

Some see FHRS as a means to an end, by adding address data, which is
   fine, but I see it as an end in itself, referencing a well
   maintained external database providing information that's too
   ephemeral for OSM.

Dave F.


On 19/11/2016 16:48, Andrew Hain wrote:

Some FHRS entries refer to people’s names, or to business names, with the 
address of a private house. These may be people who cook from home or 
itinerantly. Is it however appropriate for OSM to map these addresses as 
anything more than houses, for example by adding fhrs:id or the name in the 
FHRS data set?

--
Andrew



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[Talk-gb-london] OpenStreetMap meet-up TONIGHT Angel pub from 7pm

[Harry Wood]

Sorry I'm forgetting to keep the mailing list informed, so this is rather 
last-minute if you missed it on twitter/wiki but...

TONIGHT we're in the Angel pub from 7pm
It's near Angel tube. Here on the map: http://osm.org/go/euu45JLI?m=
The Angel pub is quite big but all on one floor. Hopefully we'll get a table 
and be easy to find. If you're worried about recognising us, wait until 7:30 
and then be looking out for a table of people with maps/hi viz OSM jackets/ or 
OSM T shirts. I'll be wearing by navy blue HOT shirt. My number: O7979815O13


Looking further ahead there's a #geomob event happening Wed Nov 2nd November. 
Presentations of general mappy-geo topics, followed by pub! Topics are not 
exclusively OpenStreetMap, but talks usually feature a fair bit of OSM 
goodness, and geomob events are attended by OpenStreetMappers. This time 
there'll be a talk from MapBox
Details on the geomob blog: 
http://geomobldn.org/post/150628164010/details-of-the-nov-2nd-geomobSign up on 
Lanyrd: http://lanyrd.com/2016/geomob-november/


As usual these things generally get tweeted: https://twitter.com/OSMLondon
and put on the wiki page: https://wiki.osm.org/London

Harry

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Re: [Talk-GB] Summer Quarterly Project

[Harry Wood]

I'll link your earlier mailing list post from here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Project  but we could make a 
wiki page of it, and/or a kick off blog post. Something to link to in relation 
to this.
Harry


  From: Brian Prangle 
 To: Talk GB  
 Sent: Monday, 1 August 2016, 14:41
 Subject: [Talk-GB] Summer Quarterly Project
   
Hi everyone

We've been making steady progress at about 20 farms a day but seemed to have 
slowed down over the last week.  We've only the daily taginfoscript to capture 
progress of the data, so we're a somwhat constrained as to previous quarters in 
seeing what's going on. So far we've increased the number of farms mapped by 
405. Currently we've no idea how much of an increase in activity that is, if 
any. As ever comments and encouragement welcome. Does anyone have any bright 
ideas to stimulate activity on this project?

Regards

Brian

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Re: [Talk-gb-london] London tube stations

[Harry Wood]

Hi Bjoern

I work for TransportAPI, and we're working on a project with TfL at the moment 
actually. TfL is like a massive government organisation though, so I have 
contact with one tiny part of TfL, which doesn't necessarily help. Also... 
because I'm working on a project, I have a set of priorities which we have to 
be seen to be working on, which doesn't necessarily fit with the conversation I 
would really like to have with them: "open data gimme gimme gimme!"  :-)  But 
obviously I'll be dropping OpenStreetMap into conversation whenever the 
opportunity arises!

A couple of years ago I had a brief interesting conversation with a TfL bigwig 
around the time they decided to swap all the web mapping operation to use 
google maps. They had been in conversations and negotiations with google about 
this (which is interesting in itself. Pretty sure google doesn't bother talking 
to most people, but I guess they do for someone the size of TfL). He seemed to 
suggest that the TfL folks were pretty anti-google and would've loved to choose 
OpenStreetMap, but "there's no clear contact point", in other words they 
couldn't get into the same kind of corporate conversation with OSM. Makes me 
wonder what kind of organisation could be formed to provide such a contact 
point (OSMUK?). In truth they could have had a pretty productive conversation 
with TransportAPI or ITOworld about this, but I guess they wanted some sort of 
more of a "horses mouth" conversation with map makers. Maybe it will always be 
difficult OpenStreetMap to provide that kind of corporate comfort blanket.

Anyway...  the data...

That's quite some detail in your "case study" there. 
http://bjohas.de/wiki/Maps/Kings_Cross.  I was going to link you to some 
interesting things, but I see you've found most of them at he links down the 
bottom.


One to add is this neat thing (not open data sadly) : 
http://stations.aeracode.org  3D spinny diagrams under some tube stations.

I came across that years ago, and pondered whether we might be able to generate 
something like that from OSM data. I dismissed the idea at the time because it 
seemed like too much detail, and too much messy data underground. But these 
days we're putting a lot of detail in, and talking a lot about accessibility 
mapping. I feel like we might be getting to the point where we could try it. It 
would reveal some interesting bugs and limitations of our level tagging I'm 
sure.


On the subject of detail levels, here's another neat thing (not open data 
sadly) : http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/
This raises a question which has always been a bit awkward in OSM data. The 
tube system is (so far... for the most part...) represented in OSM as single 
tracks.  This means we wouldn't be able to generate a map like that, which is a 
shame, although it makes the data much easier to work with for other purposes. 
I remember we used to also try to route the ways through a node for each tube 
station. I remember that was quite contrived at Baker Street where the 
platforms are near the surface and geographically quite spread out. These days 
we're just going for more detail, and grouping by a relation: 
http://osm.org/go/euu4Hn~xP--  ...I see that has meant a bits of the circle and 
metropolitan line end up being drawn in as dual tracks.

I guess the single vs dual tracks thing will become an issue when modelling the 
inside of *any* tube station, once you get down to the platform level. Maybe 
it's time we double-up on all the tube tracks. But I'm not sure. It'll get 
messy.

Deep 3D examples like Kings Cross are fun. But we also need to check breadth of 
data across the network. Starting with the basics, we're doing pretty well on 
station entrances: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/h97 , but maybe not all of them.

Harry Wood


From: Bjoern Hassler <bjohas...@gmail.com>
To: talk-gb-london@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2016, 12:30
Subject: [Talk-gb-london] London tube stations



Hi all,

I've got a couple of questions:

(1) Is anybody else interested in mapping some of the more complex London tube 
stations?

(2) Do any of you already have a relation / ongoing discussion with TFL?

Background: I've been mapping a few things in the King's Cross underground, 
mainly adding underground passages to get to platforms. If you're interested: 
I'm working on a write-up of the discussion on the tagging list, as a kind of 
"case-study", see http://bjohas.de/wiki/Maps/Kings_Cross. I'll contribute this 
to the OSM wiki once I've got clarity on all the tags, and will reference it 
from this page: 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_public_transport_tagging_scheme

On the whole, I was surprised that there don't seem to be detailed maps 
available (e.g. of King's Cross underground) that show access lifts, stairs vs. 
escalators etc. Such maps don't seem to be available from TFL 

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site

[Harry Wood]

I'm interested in helping out with an OSM UK website. I have a few ideas. 

Actually the thing I'm most interested in is what you're touching on here. I'm 
keen to avoid a situation where we have a website festering unmaintained, or 
even just having niggling things wrong with it, and no way for me to 
pro-actively fix them.

Being easy to use, as an admin, is good...  however that doesn't help somebody 
who's not an admin. Given our large group of (quite a lot of tech savvy) UK 
OSmers, the contribution model of wordpress might feel a bit restrictive. In 
fact I've felt this frustration with some of the past SOTM websites. It's not 
so good for allowing the wider community to pro-actively fix a niggle.

I guess what I'm saying is... I'm happy with wordpress as long as I am one of 
the admins :-)

A git repo approach is quite a neat contribution model for this kind of thing. 
But yeah it's not as easy as editing wordpress. If Rob is going to be the most 
pro-active maintainer, and he's not comfortable with github, then that's 
certainly a problem with that idea.

I'm imagining an OSM UK website could be quite heavy on syndicated content. It 
could copy in and present these mailing list posts, the forum, and even have a 
chatroom (web->IRC). That would help keep it fresh, and relevant to our 
community with less onus on a restricted set of admin users (I think this idea 
is a thing we should do regardless of what the rest of the site is built with)

The key messages of the website will of course depend on the other discussion 
we're having here: What are the main goals and key messages of the OSM UK 
organisation/community?

Harry

From: Rob Nickerson 
To: dbaus...@gmail.com; Talk-GB  
Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2016, 18:50
Subject: [Talk-GB] OSM UK site



Hi Dennis,

Don't worry about hosting issues when comparing the options. The group should 
probably get its own hosting anyway. The Mappa Mercia one is super easy to use 
and that's coming from somebody who is not techy at all. 

To set up the wordpress account all that was needed was to sign in to 
Webfaction dashboard, select "add new application" and then click wordpress. 
Ta-da a fully functional wordpress installation! Since then we added an 
application for simple (static) pages. This is how we drive the maps on 
mappa-mercia.org.


Key things is that whatever we do it is easy to use. The old mappa-mercia site 
wasn't and we were dependent on one person. When he left the site died. 
Similarly the current state of the map website is github pages system and is 
too techie for me. This is frustrating as I now rely on one or two people to do 
the updates. You need the barrier to be low so that as many people as possible 
can be involved with keeping it maintained.



Rob

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[Talk-gb-london] Missing Maps Tonight + Mapping St James area tomorrow

[Harry Wood]

You're cutting it fine, but if you sign up now, TONIGHT there is (unusually) 
still spaces at the monthly Missing Maps humanitarian mapathon. This time it's 
hosted at the Welcome Trust building in Euston.

Bring a laptop. Join in the fun! There's particularly spaces for a few more 
pro-mappers who can teach others the skills!
Details and sign up here: 
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/missing-mapshot-may-mapathon-tickets-24650133212



Then TOMORROW night (Wednesday 4th) we will be holding a Mapping evening in the 
St. James neighbourhood (cake diagram: http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/589), 
meeting up afterwards at the Golden Lion on King Street Street (map: 
http://osm.org/go/euu4KPvl5 ). The closest tube is Piccadilly Circus.

We'll be doing some mapping of the surrounding area from 6pm-ish, looking to 
meet up in the pub from 7pm onwards. We are looking to do full building 
details, addresses of everything, and POI additions (and updates) .There might 
be burritos. Look out for some form of OpenStreetMap sign, orange OSM Surveyors 
jackets, or polo shirts. Depending on the weather and how busy the pub is, we 
might even be outside!

(weather forecast is currently a big fat sunshine!)

Sign up on lanyrd: 
http://lanyrd.com/2016/openstreetmap-mapping-and-pub-in-st-jamess-london/




And there's another event on Saturday 7th (all day). This is a big humanitarian 
mapathon for Tanzania organised by some different people: Crowd2Map which is 
UCL-related.
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/osm-triple-mapping-party-dar-es-salaam-london-vilnius-tickets-22109616458



All these events are listed on the wiki page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London
...and follow the tweets:
https://twitter.com/OSMLondon on twitter


Harry

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[Talk-gb-london] Tuesday. Mapping Planning Meeting. Holborn Penderel's Oak

[Harry Wood]

Next Tuesday (12th April) we will be holding a Mapping Planning Meeting at The 
Penderel's Oak pub (here on the map http://osm.org/go/euu4matrY-?m= ) It's 
between Holborn and Chancery Lane tube. We'll be there from 7pm

This is a big pub. We'll aim to get a table somewhere near the main entrance. 
We'll also aim to get organised with an OpenStreetMap sign and / or an orange 
OSM Surveyors Jacket / Polo shirts.

As we've entered British Summer Time and better mapping weather we need to look 
at the state of London's OpenStreetMap coverage and plan some mapping. What are 
the data types of focus on? Most interesting data to map? Most in-demand data? 
Most glaring omissions? Where will we hold mapping events? Which pubs will we 
go to? All of these are to be discussed in this mapping planning meeting. If 
you have ideas... bring them! And bring map printouts. We like those.

Sign up on lanyrd
http://lanyrd.com/2016/openstreetmap-mapping-planning-meeting/
By signing up there, you help make the event look more popular (Note: A lot of 
people don't bother signing up. We expect between 5 and 15 people)
See you on Tuesday?

This is the first event of the "Summer" series listed on the wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London

Harry

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Re: [Talk-GB] Geovation - Location information innovation grants - now open for applications

[Harry Wood]

I have mixed feelings about Geovation

You're talking very generally about consultants getting money, but there's a 
bigger reason to feel negative about it. The government paid Ordnance Survey 
£millions to release open data (because releasing open data needs to cost lots 
of money because... well no it doesn't) And then to show something for the 
money O.S. run the Geovation programme.  At the same time the government looked 
at the other open geodata initiative to come out of the UK, and gave a small 
donation of a few million to OpenStreetMap  ...except I just imagined that last 
part.

Of course that didn't happen. But I hope eventually something like that could 
happen. We'd have to present ourselves as something other than a "just"* a 
rag-tag bunch of volunteers. I hope maybe setting up an OSMUK organisation 
could allow us to get into a more grant/funding-receiving position

There's not much point moaning about the injustice of the situation. It's the 
world we live in. Lots of money moves around for things like map data. Even 
open map data. 

Instead we might ask ourselves how we might get some of it. Geovation is then 
an opportunity. At least they're throwing some crumbs of money out there, and 
engaging with developers. This gives us an in-road. We can talk to the same 
developers about using OpenStreetMap. Maybe we can actually get the geovation 
folks to promote OpenStreetMap. Sounds strange, but those particular people are 
concerned with promoting use of open geo-data and getting the illusive 
"innovation" happening. And we do have alternative data offerings e.g. POIS and 
worldwide coverage. I actually want to get into conversations with O.S. about 
how they should *offer* OSM data as part of their data product sets. In the 
short term maybe we could pick up some of these crumbs of funding to use as a 
leg-up in building OSMUK somehow.

One tiny step in this direction so far. They hosted a hack weekend last summer. 
We can get little bits of value like that out of them. We should do that again.

Harry

* "just" in inverted commas because of course the OpenStreetMap community got 
where we are today as a rag-tag bunch of volunteers, and actually every time we 
talk about being something else we have to try not lose our souls


From: SK53 
To: Killyfole and District Development Association  
Cc: "Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org" 
Sent: Monday, 15 February 2016, 19:44
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Geovation - Location information innovation grants - now 
open for applications



I hadn't even thought of the travel side tbh! Faily glaring when its pointed 
out!

This type of competition for a grant or similar has become increasingly common. 
I think Nottingham spent £500,000 to try & win a slot as a venue for England's 
wonderfully successful World Cup bid, and the local Wildlife Trust has pitched 
for a few (e.g., for revamping Sherwood Forest visitor centre).

I rather suspect they're a decent source of fee income for the sundry 
consultants and judges necessary for running them. Also like most grantsmanship 
the idea is that you use money from your last grant to help bid for the second 
(e.g., by scheduling grant-funded travel to coincide with next round bid 
meetings). 

Jerry



On 15 February 2016 at 19:33, Killyfole and District Development Association 
 wrote:

I think you are quite right Jerry, looks like participants are expected to
>travel to London?!?  Thats one way to keep the numbers down and limit it to
>the South East England area!
>
>On Monday 15 February 2016 17:23:37 SK53 wrote:
>> I think most folk on this list are fairly familiar with these: they've been
>> running for quite a few years. I think CycleStreets participated in one of
>> them a while back. My general impression is that the cost of participating
>> is often non-trivial in comparison with the potential reward.
>>
>> Jerry
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - New edit tracker tool

[Harry Wood]

yes I had in mind to do that. So here we go. Belgium filtered edit tracker:
http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools/?filter=belgium


Unfortunately Belgium has a messier bounding box ( lon>2.516 AND lon<6.449 AND 
lat>49.482 AND lat<51.516 ) It includes some bits of France and most of 
Luxembourg, but I'm sure they're used to it.

Harry

From: Brian Prangle <bpran...@gmail.com>
To: Harry Wood <m...@harrywood.co.uk> 
Cc: Talk-gb OSM List <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>
Sent: Monday, 18 January 2016, 10:36
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project : Schools - New edit tracker tool



Thanks from me too Harry. It would be a nice gesture to include a filter for 
Belgium as they've just started a schools QP. Like Rob I'm amazed at how this 
QP has taken off compared to previous efforts

Regards

Brian



On 17 January 2016 at 20:35, Harry Wood <m...@harrywood.co.uk> wrote:

I made a new tracker tool for this school mapping project:
>
>http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools
>
>
>So have fun with that! This gives us a user ranking of who's been making most 
>edits to schools, counting by objects rather than by changesets. If you edit 
>10 schools in a single changeset you score 10 edits. So that's better but...
>
>Obviously this might "mis-count" in other ways. Minor tweaks will count the 
>same as careful detailed mapping. Repeated tweaks split into different 
>changesets will score one per changeset. The biggest problem is that careful 
>detailed mapping of buildings and other features inside a school area, which 
>we'd definitely like to encourage, won't get counted at all unless you touch 
>the school area.
>
>You may recognise it as a re-purposing of the Wimbledon tennis edit tracker 
>and the Big Baseball Project edit tracker. I've made it filter out only school 
>edits within a UK & Ireland bounding box (which was a surprisingly difficult 
>extension to the code, since diff files don't necessarily have any coordinates 
>for a modified way) I set the tool to crunch the numbers starting from 1st Jan.
>
>
>One thing I said during the baseball project, was that user rankings are all 
>good fun, but the most important number is the number of users we've managed 
>to get involved in the project! (highlighted in yellow) But maybe I'm just 
>saying that because I need to work on my own ranking :-)
>
>Harry
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Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM - technical aspects

[Harry Wood]

> OK Guys time for me to bow out ...
> Seems lots of decisions have already been made and they do not work with
> my methods or cover my own views of what a 'British' group should
> support ...


Not really Lester. Something close to zero decisions have already been taken, 
and yet you feel the need to have a moan about it. You weren't very specific 
about your actual objections to the idea of having an open contribution 
repository for code/resources. But yes... feel free to bow out until we've got 
something happening and you can see a way to make a constructive contribution, 
at which point you'll be able to bow back in again. That's the beauty of it.
Harry


- Original Message -
From: Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk>
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Monday, 11 January 2016, 11:15
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM - technical aspects

On 10/01/16 21:47, Harry Wood wrote:
> I've just set up an osmuk organisation on github as a placeholder for this 
> stuff:
> 
> https://github.com/osmuk
> 
> I just found you on github and invited you Nick. Anyone else who should be a 
> organisation developer member, let me have your github user name. Others 
> (anyone) will be able to make changes via pull requests anyway.

OK Guys time for me to bow out ...
Seems lots of decisions have already been made and they do not work with
my methods or cover my own views of what a 'British' group should
support ...

-- 
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Re: [Talk-GB] First UK/GB OpenStreetMap group meeting - 17th December at 8pm

[Harry Wood]

Thanks for making something happen Rob!

So this conference call is TOMORROW at 8pm.

I added those details to the wiki page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/UK

But d'you have the dial-in details?

Harry



From: Rob Nickerson 
To: Talk-GB  
Sent: Sunday, 6 December 2015, 19:25
Subject: [Talk-GB] First UK/GB OpenStreetMap group meeting - 17th December
at 8pm



Hi all,


Early this year I published a survey asking about “a UK/GB OpenStreetMap
group”. 101 people filled it in and many contacted me to say they liked the 
idea. Encouraged by the this and my local 
Mappa Mercia group, we feel the time is right to start the group. To get us 
going Wikimedia UK have kindly offered us their teleconference facility for 
our first meeting – 8pm on 17th December. I've used teleconferencing facilities 
in the past for State of the Map 2013 and find that they work well (no 
text/chat facility ensures that there is only one conversation going on - the 
one being heard by everyone).

Survey results:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A8rKyKUW0X01n-JEMLwEUT4ktX-7WrxNP03YTkZs6lU/edit#

To get
us going we will need a few people to commit time over the next 6 
months. The roles we need are set out below and
we will need to initially fill them and then, once we have a 
constitution in place, we will need volunteers to stand for election. These 
roles will be needed irrespective of whether decision making lies with the 
membership or an elected board.

* Chair – to provide leadership and ensures the group functions properly

* Treasurer – to organise the finances of the group. Initially this will 
mean setting up our bank account.

* Secretary/Membership secretary – to keep the register of members up to 
date (indeed to set 
on up in the first place), to ensure that voting procedures are carried 
out in accordance to our agreed policy. There is potential for this to 
be two separate roles.We will also need an initial working group to provide 
ideas and discussion. This group can also support the 
aforementioned roles in small discrete tasks.

Please let me know 
if you can help with setting up the group and/or whether you would be 
willing to stand for election once the constitution is established. I will 
share the telephone 
number and login PIN closer to the date.

Best,

Rob

p.s. Busy on 17th December? No worries. Send me you comments and I will make 
sure they are shared.
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[Talk-gb-london] TONIGHT! Deptford Mapping Evening

[Harry Wood]

Sorry. I've been forgetting about this mailing list again. So if it's not too 
late...


TONIGHT! (Wed 23rd) Deptford Mapping Evening
join us for some mapping around Deptford. Time for some serious mapping in a 
lesser mapped bit of East London!

We'll be meeting outside the train station (exit under the railway bridge) here 
on the map: 
http://osm.org/go/euuvnl7H?m=  and then later from 8pm we'll be at the Dog and 
Bell pub here on the map: 
http://osm.org/go/euuvymIDV-?m=

So the schedule is...
6:45 - Meet outside the exit of Deptford Train Station. Rob will be loitering. 
Look out for this man: 
https://flic.kr/p/wWQhwW7:00 - Set off mapping on your own or with the guided 
tour
8:00 - Meet at the Dog and Bell pub. Consume beers & Food. Discuss plans to map 
the world!

11:00pm - closing time

You can go ahead and map an area by yourself. You don't even need to meet us at 
the meeting place in fact. Just choose a slice of the cake: 
http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/534
We're doing detailed mapping of shops along Deptford High Street.

Guided tour? If you're new to this, you might prefer to go with Rob while he 
walks and talks, describing the kind of data we collect for OpenStreetMap. 
Contact him in advance to let him know if you're interested in it (it's useful 
to count up who's found us and who to look out for)

Alternatively just meet in the pub at 7:30. Hopefully we can get a table, 
although this pub might be quite small.


Additionally you can sign up on Lanyrd if you like: 
http://lanyrd.com/2015/openstreetmap-deptford/ (We expect between 5 and 10 
people, but most people don't bother signing up)



Also coming Wed 30th Sep ...#geomob

As always the events are listed on the wiki  http://wiki.osm.org/London

And tweeted about from  https://twitter.com/OSMLondon


Harry Wood

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Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?

[Harry Wood]

Well done setting up the survey Rob. Good to see something happening. I think 
we should get our asses in gear and start forming some sort of organisation.

I was surprised your survey didn't have a question What d'you think the 
organisation should be called?, because this is the question which has been 
vexing me. It would be quite interesting to know what name and geographic 
configuration most people would vote for.

OSMGB or OSMUK? It's not just a matter a geo/naming preference. There's quite a 
few existing named things to consider. This mailing list being one example. 
I've listed various things here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GB/UK_Chapter#GB_vs_UK_summary

Down the pub with TomH and gravitystorm we seemed to be preferring OSMUK last 
time we chatted about this, although since then I've started hosting 
osmgb.org.uk on my server (a minor point in OSMGB's favour)


Of course we could call it something else entirely, but both OSMGB and OSMUK 
are nice short simple names.
Harry


From: Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org talk-gb@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015, 9:37
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group?






I agree; I don't really see what harm a UK group would have; after all, there 
are local OSM groups in other countries, so why not here?

No-one's being asked to stump up money for servers etc just yet; it's just an 
initial survey.

Nick





From: Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net
Sent: 13 July 2015 19:08
To: Dave F.; Andy Mabbett; Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Survey: A UK/GB OpenStreetMap group? 
 
Dave,
I don't think anyone has a veto. Why would it harm you if this went ahead?


On 13 July 2015 19:00:56 GMT+01:00, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: 
Find out first if people want it, rather than ask how they think it should be 
implemented.

On 13/07/2015 14:03, Andy Mabbett wrote:

On 13 July 2015 at 12:39, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:

there's no option to disagree with the whole proposal

What else do you suppose the Strongly disagree column is for?

(Though how you expect disagreement with a group of people deciding to start 
an organisation to stop them is beyond me)

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk





 
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[Talk-gb-london] Tuesday Humanitarian Mapping + Wednesday Kings Cross Mapping!

[Harry Wood]

I've got (at least) two events for you next week:

There's a Missing Maps Project humanitarian mapping event on Tuesday, and for 
a change I'm actually telling you about this *before* it has sold out! These 
events are a lot of fun. Bring a laptop. Join in with mapping, learning or 
teaching. Sign up now to find out why they keep getting booked up so fast!
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/missing-mapshot-june-mapathon-tickets-17028513743



Or if you want to make the most of the nice weather...

On the evening of Wednesday 3rd June join us for some mapping around Caledonia 
Road.

This is an area near Kings Cross, and we'll be meeting at the Thornhill Arms 
pub, which is a little walk (or a 91 bus) up from Kings Cross here on the map: 
http://osm.org/go/euu4zYtr~?m=
6:30 - Meet outside the Thornhill Arms. Harry will be loitering wearing his 
white OSM polo shirt
6:45 - Set off mapping on your own or with the guided tour
7:30 - Return back and go inside the Thornhill Arms pub. Consume beers  Food. 
Discuss plans to map the world!
11:00pm - closing time. ...It always happens.

You can go ahead and map an area by yourself. You don't even need to meet us at 
the meeting place in fact. Just choose a slice of the cake with the following 
link:

http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/507
We're doing detailed mapping of building outlines, building heights, addresses, 
and any missing shops or other POIs we can spot.

Guided tour? If you're new to this, you might prefer to go with me while I walk 
and talk, describing the kind of data we collect for OpenStreetMap. Email me 
(reply to this) in advance to let me know if you're interested in it. Sometimes 
nobody is, so then I'll shoot off mapping on my own. Otherwise it's useful to 
count up who's found us and who to look out for. Also take my number with you 
O7979815O13

Alternatively just meet in the pub at 7:30. Hopefully we can get a table, 
although this pub might be quite small.

Sign up on lanyrd if you like: 
http://lanyrd.com/2015/openstreetmap-june-cally/ (Not everyone does. We expect 
a merry bunch of between 5 and 15 people attending)


So two back-to-back events. That's fairly advanced notice by my standards. So 
no excuses! I expect to see you all at both of these events next week :-)

If you want a triple-whammy, and you're based in a south-easterly direction, 
Nick Allen (Tallguy) has been running a series of OpenStreetMap events in 
Swanley. These are on Mondays. Let him know if you're interested.

As always, these things are all listed on the wiki page:
http://wiki.osm.org/London
...and tweeted about 
https://twitter.com/OSMLondon


Harry

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[Talk-gb-london] Wed 13th May - Mapping evening in Marylebone!

[Harry Wood]

This Wednesday (13th May) join us for some mapping around Marylebone!

Venue is a pub called the Kings Head on Wheatley Street here: 
http://osm.org/go/euu4Mc3Sw--?m=

Schedule:

6:30 - Meet for a outside the Kings Head pub, Wheatley Street.  Harry will be 
loitering wearing his polo shirt
6:45 - Set off mapping on your own or with the guided tour
7:30 - Return back and go inside the Kings Head pub. Consume beers  Food. 
Discuss plans to map the world!
11:00pm - closing time. ...It always happens.

You can go ahead and map an area by yourself. You don't even need to meet us at 
the meeting place in fact. Just sign in with MapCraft and choose a slice of the 
cake with the following link: 

http://mapcraft.nanodesu.ru/pie/499

We're doing detailed mapping of building outlines, building heights, addresses, 
and any missing shops or other POIs we can spot.


Guided tour? If you're new to this, you might prefer to go with me while I walk 
and talk, describing the kind of data we collect for OpenStreetMap. Contact me 
in advance to let me know you're interested in it. Also take my number with you 
O7979815O13

Alternatively just meet in the pub at 7:30. Hopefully we can get a table, 
although this pub might be quite small.
Sign up on lanyrd if you like: 
http://lanyrd.com/2015/openstreetmap-may-marylebone/
  (Not everyone does. We expect a merry bunch of between 5 and 15 people 
attending)


I was also going promote my talk at Nesta, which is happening the next day at 
lunch time, but I see they have sold out (You needed to follow @OSMLondon to 
catch that!)

The following Tuesday however, there is a #geomob, and this is a really 
superOpenStreetMaptastic edition of #geomob. If you've been wondering about 
attending one of these and never got around to it...  sign up for THIS one!  
http://lanyrd.com/2015/geomob-may/


As ever, follow @OSMLondon on twitter and see the events list on the wiki page: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London


Harry Wood

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Re: [OSM-talk] Please ban Xxzme in wiki

[Harry Wood]

I have now written some justification for the ban, as I see it, on his talk 
page:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Xxzme#Blocked_for_3_months

My plan was to draw together various threads on his talk page and then write 
something like this immediately before banning him. I was in the process of 
doing this, slowly. But Firefishy beat me to it and banned him, largely due to 
calls on this mailing list I guess.

I felt like some kind of evidence building was needed in this case, because (as 
I described at the link above) Xxzme has actually tempered his rudeness 
somewhat. The justification for the ban is not clearly pinned to one particular 
edit or outburst. It's more a case of sheer quantity of dubious edits he has 
been making. I would say that a user's talk page is a great place to draw 
together threads which build up the picture and help us to conclude that the 
user should be banned in a case like this. As it was, we had several different 
people spending a long time chasing around trying to reason with Xxzme and then 
clearing up after his mess. If more people linked to problems off this user's 
talk page, that might have been a smarter way to organise ourselves. I might 
have been more confident to ban him a few weeks earlier without needing to 
investigate so much myself.

Not that a wiki discussion would ever carry the gravitas of a mailing list 
discussion of course :-)

This is all very unusual. Actual wiki contributors (ignoring spammers) have 
only been banned in a handful of cases over the years. On the one hand this 
means it's worth spending a bit of time considering and justifying. On the 
other hand it's nice that we haven't had to get too heavy on process over the 
years. 

Harry


- Original Message -
From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
To: talk@openstreetmap.org
Cc: 
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2015, 10:08
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Please ban Xxzme in wiki

Andy Mabbett wrote:
 In the absence of blatant vandalism or base abuse, I would 
 have expected, first, a recent, clear and unequivocal warning on 
 the user's talk page

No. Please remember that the primary means of discussion and consensus in
OSM is mailing lists, even when the subject is the wiki, and even though the
mailing lists suck. There is no precedent for obtaining consensus on
community decisions via wiki talk pages.

Talk pages might be how it's done in Wikipedia, but we're not Wikipedia.

Richard





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[Talk-gb-london] Mapping Planning Meeting - Tomorrow 7pm - Penderel's Oak

[Harry Wood]

On Wednesday 25th March (That's tomorrow!) we will be holding a Mapping 
Planning Meeting at The Penderel's Oak pub from 7pm


As we enter spring and approach the start of British Summer Time we need to 
look at the state of London's OpenStreetMap coverage and plan some mapping. 
What are the data types of focus on? Most interesting data to map? Most 
in-demand data? Most glaring omissions? Where will we hold mapping events? 
Which pubs will we go to? All of these are to be discussed in this mapping 
planning meeting.



The Penderel's Oak pub is here: http://osm.org/go/euu4mauUg-?m=   It's between 
Holborn and Chancery Lane tube. We'll be there from 7pm

This is a big pub. We'll aim to get a table somewhere near the main entrance. 
We'll also aim to get organised with an OpenStreetMap sign and / or an orange 
OSM Surveyors Jacket /  Polo shirts.
Sign up on lanyrd: 
http://lanyrd.com/2015/mapping-planning-meeting/
By signing up there, you make the event look more popular (Note: A lot of 
people don't bother signing up. We expect between 5 and 15 people)

As always...

London events listed here: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/London#Upcoming_Events

And you should follow https://twitter.com/OSMLondon

Harry

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[Talk-gb-london] Pub meet-up next Tuesday near Trafalgar Sq

[Harry Wood]

The next casual social pub meet-up will be on Tuesday 3rd March at The Lord 
Moon of the Mall pub near Trafalgar Square. We'll be there from 7pm


Map: http://osm.org/go/euu4gPUIN-?way=140469340

Jim McAndrew AKA JimmyRocks is visiting London from the states, so the pub 
meet-up is dedicated to him! I also picked a pub in a touristy spot for him too 
:-)

This is a big wetherspoons pub, but I think it's all on one level. We'll aim to 
get a table somewhere but it can be crowded earlier on, so may be standing near 
the bar at first. If you turn up a little later you may find it easier to spot 
the group. We'll try to get organised with an OpenStreetMap sign and / or an 
orange OSM Surveyors Jacket /  Polo shirts.
Sign up on lanyrd: http://lanyrd.com/2015/3-mar-osm By signing up there, you 
make the event look more popular (Note: A lot people don't bother signing up. 
We expect between 5 and 15 people. It is popular, honest)

As always...


London events listed here: http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/London#Upcoming_Events

And you should follow https://twitter.com/OSMLondon



Harry

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[Talk-gb-london] Pub meet-up tomorrow night at the Parcel Yard

[Harry Wood]

Sorry. Short notice again

Tomorrow (Wednesday) night we'll be at the Parcel Yard for a casual social pub 
meet-up.

It's a pub inside Kings Cross station, but not as grotty as it sounds.

http://osm.org/go/euu4xjtjx-?m=
When you get there... this is a fairly big pub with a confusing layout. There 
is an upstairs (2nd floor) but we'll mostly likely be on the 1st floor (pub not 
dining). We'll aim to get a table somewhere but it can be crowded earlier on, 
so may be standing near the bar at first. If you turn up a little later you may 
find it easier to spot the group. We'll try to get organised with an 
OpenStreetMap sign and / or an orange OSM Surveyors Jacket / Polo shirts.

From here we inevitably end up going to Benitos Hat, on the station balcony bit 
at 8 / 8:30 pm before returning to the pub afterwards.

You can sign up on lanyrd here:

http://lanyrd.com/2015/18-feb-openstreetmap-london/By signing up there, you 
make the event look more popular (Note: A lot of people don't bother signing 
up. We expect between 5 and 15 people. It is popular, honest) Hope to see you 
tomorrow!


The next Humanitarian Mapping event, is a week today, but has just run out of 
places again (sorry. You have to be quick!) However...


* Re-check the eventbrite page to see if tickets have come available, and join 
a waiting list:
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/missing-maps-hot-february-2015-mapathon-tickets-15713792376*
 To avoid missing the next one, which will happen next month, you might sign up 
here for email updates:
https://missingmaps.wufoo.com/forms/missing-maps-project-keep-me-up-to-date/* 
If you have a bit of OpenStreetMap editing experience and you would like to 
teach others how to do it, we may be able to sneak you in. Get in touch with me 
or Pete Masters to get on the OSM trainers list.


As always...
London events listed here: http://wiki.osm.org/London#Upcoming_Events
And you should follow https://twitter.com/OSMLondon


Harry

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[Talk-gb-london] Pub meet-up tomorrow night at the Blue Posts

[Harry Wood]

Sorry for the short notice but...

Tomorrow (Tuesday) night we'll be at the Blue Posts for a (probably quite 
small) casual social pub meet-up

It's this pub on Newman Street:
http://osm.org/go/euu4OnIv?m=
Take care not to go to a different Blue Posts pub!



When you get there... check upstairs! This is small pub, but it does have a 
very sneakily hidden staircase leading to more seating upstairs. We'll aim to 
get a table somewhere, so might well end up upstairs. We'll also aim to get 
organised with an OpenStreetMap sign and / or an orange OSM Surveyors Jacket / 
Polo shirts. My mobile number in case you can't find us: O7979815O13

From here we usually end up moving on at about 8 / 8:30 pm to node 
787474861 before returning to the pub after burritos.

You can sign up on lanyrd here:
http://lanyrd.com/2015/openstreetmap-london-2-feb/
By signing up there, you make the event look more popular (Note: A lot of 
people don't bother signing up. We expect between 5 and 15 people. It is 
popular, honest)

Hope to see you tomorrow!


As always...
London events listed here: http://wiki.osm.org/London#Upcoming_Events
And you should follow https://twitter.com/OSMLondon



Harry

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[Talk-gb-london] OSM pub meet-up TONIGHT

[Harry Wood]

The next casual social pub meet-up is TONIGHT at The Crosse Keys pub in 
Bishopsgate. 

Map: http://osm.org/go/euu6BYcK?m=
It's close to Bank station. We'll be there from 7pm


This is a big (and very grand) pub. We'll aim to get a table somewhere. We'll 
also aim to get organised with an OpenStreetMap sign and / or an orange OSM 
Surveyors Jacket / Polo shirts.

Sign up on lanyrd: http://lanyrd.com/2015/openstreetmap-london-22-jan/# ...if 
you like

Good to see Tim Waters is still in town. Along with Tom Hughes we'll be quietly 
plotting a geo-revolution in the pub tonight. Join us!



Next Tuesday, 27th January there will be another humanitarian mapping evening. 
The venue is now set. We'll be back at the British Red Cross offices in 
Moorgate. There's only 10 spaces left! Grab one here: 
http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/missing-maps-hot-january-2015-mapathon-tickets-15435015547



As always...
London events listed here: http://wiki.osm.org/London#Upcoming_Events
And you should follow https://twitter.com/OSMLondon



Harry

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board

[Harry Wood]

 btw, there should be a all values in GBP or similar on this page: 
 http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Finances/Balance_Sheet_2012


Well I can fix that at least (done)

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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Floods in Serbia and Bosnia and Herzegovina

[Harry Wood]

I've created a wiki page about these floods:


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2014_Southeast_Europe_floods


I included a couple of cautions familiar from the UK floods response:

1) Bosnia and Serbia have active mapping communities. We need to take care to 
do remote armchair mapping only if it's wanted, and remember that on-the-ground 
gathered data is more valuable.
2) The temptation with Floods is to map stuff which is very temporary. Ushahidi 
or other map overlay tools are more appropriate for temporary situational 
updates (more appropriate than modifying the osm data every few days, or 
modding it and forgetting to put it back again!)

But having said that...  HBogner is calling for some mapping response. No 
reason not to get stuck in with improving the roads etc, to make it a more 
useful basemap.

Was http://www.poplave.rs originally using OpenStreetMap? They've swapped it to 
google maps now :-(  Any other examples of people using OpenStreetMap for 
coordination/situation maps?

Feel free to edit the wiki page mercilessly

Harry

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[OSM-talk] HOT house hack - Mon-Fri next week near Worksop

[Harry Wood]

Ladies and gentlemen

You remember the HOT HOUSE HACK plan? :

Humanitarian hackers are gathering in a bunkhouse near Worksop in the days 
following State Of The Map (staying Monday night through to Thursday night).  
Hunkered down in this countryside basic accommodation, we'll be working on 
all sorts of tools in and around HOT and OpenStreetMap in general. We'll also 
be hacking on documentation, and discussing processes to improve the way we 
bring maps to the world. We maybe be doing a bit of disaster simulating 
(particularly regarding poor internet connection!) and we'll certainly get out 
for some fresh air and mapping in the countryside too. Apart from anything else 
it will be a great way to prolong the face-to-face time we get at State Of The 
Map, and socialise with felling OpenStreetMap enthusiasts.

Why am I telling you this?  Well we had a few last minute drop-outs. Obviously 
this is pretty short notice but if you're within easy travelling distance, or 
if you're already in Birmingham for SOTM and in the week following the 
conference, come join in with the HOT house hack! For more details go to this 
hackpad:

https://hackpad.com/HOT-House-2013-lm1cEL25GKl


If you'd like to join in, you can edit the hack pad to put your name on the 
list. Maybe drop us an email too.

Hope to be seeing some of you soon!

Harry Wood

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Re: [Talk-us] [HOT] Black Forest Fire Update

[Harry Wood]

Here's a wiki page for coordination. Please feel free to edit
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Black_Forest_Fire_2013


Eugghh! The landuse data around here is a mess. Government data import I 
presume On the plus side. There's plenty to get stuck in and work on. I 
recommend JOSM for dealing with kind of tangled mess.


Harry




 From: Tom Taylor tom.taylor.s...@gmail.com
To: Russell Deffner russdeff...@gmail.com 
Cc: 'OSM US Talk' talk-us@openstreetmap.org; 'hot' h...@openstreetmap.org; 
'Murry McEntire' murry.mcent...@gmail.com 
Sent: Friday, 14 June 2013, 16:55
Subject: Re: [HOT] [Talk-us] Black Forest Fire Update
 

natural=wood is the obvious way to me. It's what I use here in Ottawa, 
Canada.

On 14/06/2013 11:19 AM, Russell Deffner wrote:
 Just for the record, I don't disagree with Murry's suggestion and he and I
 have talked about this face-to-face.  And I think you'd be the most local
 expert on this one, please feel free to change my tags.



 Thanks!



 From: Murry McEntire [mailto:murry.mcent...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, June 14, 2013 9:07 AM
 To: Paul Norman
 Cc: hot; OSM US Talk
 Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Black Forest Fire Update







 On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:26 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 What do you think we should do with what I would normally tag natural=wood?
 There's plenty of woods in the residential areas that aren't mapped, but I'm
 not sure how to handle them.





 I was hoping long time users and experts would jump on this question. It
 bothers me a little that land_use=forest is used in the area of the Black
 Forest community as there hasn't been any real managed forest in the area
 for decades. Historically it was the area that was logged to build early
 Colorado Springs, and was over harvested so was no longer a forest. Then it
 was replanted and brought back - but was also largely subdivided, so it is
 now largely woodland covering residential lots. The lots are large, many 5
 acres and up. It now does not seem to fit the definition of landuse=forest
 of Managed forest or woodland plantation.

 The land cover is definitely trees in much of the area so natural=wood
 certainly fits and doen't conflict with landuse=residential but can
 complement it. natural=wood Woodland where timber production does not
 dominate use.


 How landuse=forest is presented on renderers makes a resident of the Western
 United States think of National Forest land, as that is what other maps do.
 It might lead some, rightly or wrongly, to think of hikes and camping can be
 done there, but it is mostly peoples yards. The parks and open space of the
 area have been marked very well (and are mostly forested). The county
 contains much actual National Forest, just not in this area.

 I am also aware that the tags can be badly defined, I'm trying to change
 that elsewhere now, but landuse=forest and natural=wood look to be good
 definitions. So experts, what is the proper way to map this?  I'm just a
 casual mapper in OSM since April :-)

 Murry




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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM volunteer to participate in panel discussion

[Harry Wood]

I could do that.

I've been meaning to attend a 'mobile mondays' event. Also maybe it will
help me get my ideas together for an App of the year session at SOTM.

That said... there may be a more mobile-obsessed OSMer who could do a better
job on this panel  (If so, please also get in touch with me about helping
run the App of the year session!)

Harry Wood



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Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-dev] London Hack Weekend Feb 2nd 3rd

[Harry Wood]

Reminder about this event:
http://wiki.osm.org/London_Hack_Weekend_Feb_2013

This weekend! kicking off in the pub ...very soon!


We've got a great bunch of people signed up for some serious OSM hackery, but 
we're also hoping to attract some new faces, particularly with the 2pm 
workshops and presentations tomorrow, so do pass on the link if you know anyone 
(or any groups) who might be interested in that.

Harry




 From: Harry Wood m...@harrywood.co.uk
To: d...@openstreetmap.org d...@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:33
Subject: [OSM-dev] London Hack Weekend Feb 2nd  3rd
 

The next London Hack Weekend will be February 2nd  3rd (in three weeks time)

All the details and a sign up list: 
http://wiki.osm.org/London_Hack_Weekend_Feb_2013

The Open Data Institute in Shoreditch should be a pretty awesome venue I think, 
and they'll also pay for the food. Hurray!

I heard there was some folks thinking of journeying over from the U.S.  That 
would be cool! Sorry it's a bit short for booking cheap flights, but an 
improvement on the short notice for December's event!  If any of you travelling 
hackers need cheap accommodation, we can surely arrange some couch-surfing. 
Email me.

As ever, sign up on the wiki page and on lanyrd if you think you'll be able to 
come, and help spread the word! I'm quite keen to try to get more outsiders 
coming along to learn about using OSM in their map projects. Please help 
promote this event to wider tech circles if you have ideas for how to do so.


Harry Wood

P.S. There's also a hack event in Karlsruhe : Feb 23rd / 24th

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Re: [Talk-ht] [HOT] HOT TM jobs for Sandy's affected areas in Haiti/Jos Tasking Manager de zones affectées par Sandy

[Harry Wood]

Well I've done one task square. Took me about an hour. I've added a screenshot 
to the 'workflow' description: http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/89

Yes the bing imagery looks quite different when you zoom right in, and has a 
very different offset. Be sure to line up imagery with existing data before you 
start sketching in the buildings.



 From: Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr
To: Séverin MENARD severin.men...@hotosm.org; h...@openstreetmap.org 
h...@openstreetmap.org; OSM-Talk-Haiti Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org 
Sent: Tuesday, 6 November 2012, 23:56
Subject: Re: [HOT] HOT TM jobs for Sandy's affected areas in Haiti/Jos Tasking 
Manager de zones affectées par Sandy
 

Severin,

Un petit problème avec l'imagerie Bing pour Leogane et  Livalois. Elle est 
alignée différemment lorsque l'on zoom sous les  15 mètres.


There is a problem looking at Bing Imagery for Leogane and Livalois. The 
imagery offset is different under 15 meters. 



 
Pierre 




 De : Séverin MENARD severin.men...@hotosm.org
À : h...@openstreetmap.org; OSM-Talk-Haiti Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org 
Envoyé le : Mardi 6 novembre 2012 17h26
Objet : [HOT] HOT TM jobs for Sandy's affected areas in Haiti/Jos Tasking 
Manager de zones affectées par Sandy
 

Hi all,


Fred from HOT and Presler from COSMHA, working for IOM (International 
Organization of Migration) in Haiti alerted us about the important damages 
caused by Sandy in Haiti and identified highly affected areas in the West 
Department, so we decided to activate a remote mapping of the pre-crisis 
situation, in order to help the local assessments and recovery. 
There areas are mostly not very extended so that it could be mapped quickly.


Here are the areas:


Tabarre, Butte Boyer


Croix-des-Bouquets, Ganthier


Centre of Leogane


Fonds-Verrettes


Livalois






Thanks by advance for the help!


Severin




===


Salut à tous,


Fred de HOT et Presler de COSMHA, travaillant pour l'OIM (Organisation 
internationale des Migrations) en Haïti nous a alertés sur les dommages 
importants causés par Sandy en Haïti et ont identifié des zones fortement 
touchées dans le département de l'Ouest. Nous avons donc décidé d'activer une 
cartographie à distance de la situation pré-crise, afin d'aider les 
évaluations locales et la récupération (recovery).
Ces zones ne sont généralement pas très étendues, de sorte qu'elles peuvent 
être cartographiées rapidement:


Tabarre, Butte Boyer


Croix-des-Bouquets, Ganthier


Centre of Leogane


Fonds-Verrettes


Livalois






Merci par avance pour votre aide!


Severin




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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Disaster hackathon in Birmingham

[Harry Wood]

Hello westmidlanders


See this event: http://h4d2register.eventbrite.com/

I had this invitation email lingering in my inbox for some time now.  I was 
considering heading up to Birmingham 21-23rd to attend this disaster hackathon. 
Sadly I'm going to have to pass, but looks like it might be quite interesting.

It's always good to have people plugging OpenStreetMap in the background at 
this kind of event, e.g. showing developers how to use OSM instead of google 
maps.

If you fancy it, there could be a chance to do a lightning talk on Humanitarian 
OpenStreetMap Team topics. e.g. re-use these slides: 
http://www.harrywood.co.uk/blog/2012/05/22/hot-geomob/  


If you're really keen, then me know if you could commit to going, because I'd 
like to reply to them saying that we're sending you!  (but otherwise I guess 
you can get away with deciding quite last minute)

Harry



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To: m...@harrywood.co.uk 
Cc: Sara Farmer sara.far...@btinternet.com 
Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012, 17:21
Subject: disaster hackathon in Birmingham


Greetings! Sara sent me your way, as someone who might be interested in this 
event. I do hope you'll join us, and let me know if you have any 
questions.

h4d2 – Hackathon for Disaster Response 21-23 September 2012

The Disaster 2.0 team are happy to announce the Hackathon for Disaster 
Response(i.e. link to h4d2.eu), a 2-day event to bring together software 
developers and emergency 
management experts to hack out solutions to disaster-related problems.  
h4d2 will focus specifically on data available via social media, and on 
structured data (open data, linked data) available from a variety of 
sources.

For tickets, please visit: h4d2register.eventbrite.com


Willow Brugh
program director, Geeks Without Bounds
Schedule a meeting with me.

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[OSM-talk] Wiki maintenance tasks

[Harry Wood]

I know it's not as fun as mapping, but I've made a list of some wiki 
maintenance tasks:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Wiki_maintenance_tasks


I've been meaning to write this for years. The idea is to list some ideas for 
wiki editing tasks which apply to a lot of different pages across wiki, and 
which are fairly easy.

We already have a list of clean-up priorities on the wiki. There's also other 
generic tasks I can think of, such as looking through delete and merge 
proposals. The trouble with those is they require some combination of wiki 
editing confidence, english writing ability, judgement, patience or the 
willingness to engage in messy discussions and debates. Everyone's welcome to 
join in with theses things too (even it's just to say I agree when somebody 
is saying something sensible) but the idea of this maintenance tasks list is to 
point people at some easier things.

Something to do while you're waiting to edit the map!


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Re: [OSM-talk] IMPORTANT - OSM API upgrade - Read Only access

[Harry Wood]

Ladies  Gentlemen finish your uploads

We are *go* for API lock-down in T minus 60 minutes.



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From: Andy Robinson \(blackadder-lists\) ajrli...@googlemail.com
Subject: [OSM-talk] IMPORTANT - OSM API upgrade - Read Only access
mode from   09:00 UTC Fri 17th April
To: talk@openstreetmap.org


Dear OpenStreetMap Users,

This weekend sees the long awaited upgrade of our main API from version API
0.5 to API 0.6. This is a major development for the project and involves
upgrades to both the hardware platform (the main OSM database) as well as
the software that we all use to communicate with it.

In order to migrate the existing OSM database to the new server and software
platform it is necessary to lock the OSM database to Read Only access, that
means you will not be able to upload your new map edits to OSM once the
current API is in read only mode.

Read only access will commence at 09:00 UTC Friday 17th April 2009 and is
expected to last throughout the API upgrade period.

Completion of the API upgrade and database migration is scheduled for some
time on Monday April 20th, however the exact time will depend upon how well
progress goes over the weekend. It is also highly likely that there will be
periods of total API downtime during the weekend as the upgrade is
progressed.

The front page of the wiki will be your best place to keep an eye on the
current status, or hang out in IRC at #OSM for hour by hour news, but please
keep your questions to a minimum as our sysadmins team will be busy!
Concrete news updates, when they are available, will be published.

The technical working group and the full API 0.6 development team have
worked long and hard to deliver this exciting new upgrade to the OSM
platform. I am sure you will wish to join me in thanking them all for their
efforts and contribution to date and wish them the very best with the work
over this weekend.

For more information about the changes please see the following wiki page:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Protocol_Version_0.6/Information


Translation

If you have not seen this message on your local language mainling list or
forum please help communicate to the wider audience by translating and
posting on. If also you can help with translations for the wiki page that
would be great too.


For and on behalf of the OpenStreetMap Foundation Board

Andy Robinson


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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik updating more frequently?

[Harry Wood]

Grant Slater wrote:
 David Lynch wrote:
   
 Is the mapnik render now updating more frequently than once a week?
 I'm seeing buildings that I added a couple hours ago appearing on
 there before even ti...@home/osmarender gets to them
 

 Ssh don't tell anyone :-)
 Congrads to Jon Burgess and team.

 Consider it beta for now. Most style changes are still only imported 
 once a week.

 Regards
  Grant
   
Took a while for anyone to comment hey? This is a big improvement which 
I think will help massively with getting new mappers hooked on the 
project. We should sing it from the rooftops  ...but I understand Jon 
Burgess and others are monitoring it to see if the tile server keeps up 
with it OK. Hope the change sticks!

Harry Wood

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