Re: [Talk-ca] Stats Canada building project
But they can't use OGL-CA v2 cos municipalities aren't federal. And anything but the actual few already approved licences need a multi-month review. Stewart On Sep 27, 2017 18:28, "James"wrote: > other then have them change their license from say ogl-ca v1 to ogl-cav2 > > theres not much we can do from a legal stand point. ogl-ca v1 puts too > many restrictions > > On Sep 27, 2017 6:21 PM, "Matthew Darwin" wrote: > >> How do we want to move this discussion forward? Do we need to set up a >> time to talk on the phone? I am willing to help coordinate logistics. >> >> On 2017-09-17 10:55 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: >> >>> On 2017-09-17 10:40 AM, john whelan wrote: >>> They'd like to extend it across Canada so now might be the time to think about the project. >>> That sounds good. Despite some prodding, the Licence Working Group (LWG) >>> hasn't got back to me with any updates on how they want to handle the >>> Toronto or Ontario licences. I first contacted them in March, so if it >>> takes them six months or more to look at the licence, then this import >>> is a multi year (if not multi-decade) project. Remember, LWG has decided >>> that *every* Canadian licence variant needs their sign-off. >>> >>> Denis Carr (open data lead) from Toronto has been on board since the >>> spring, and I hope hasn't forgotten us. >>> >>> Toronto has nice building outlines (embedded in the 3D Massing data set, >>> so we can pull out base elevation and height). We also have address >>> points already in the middle of buildings. >>> >>> It also is of great help that the Esri Community Imagery includes some >>> very nice municipal air photos for verification. >>> >>> Stewart >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> > > ___ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] OGL licenses
On Jun 2, 2017 6:40 PM, "john whelan"wrote: Treasury Board Canada's Open Data License 2.0 has been reviewed by the legal working group and deemed OK. The City of Ottawa's license which was derived from the TB one has been accepted. Yes, the whole Federal licence has passed LWG muster. Ottawa and a select few other places like Vancouver have too. TB is coming out with a tool kit for open data for the municipalities which includes the suggested licence. We don't know what this will look like yet, and if munis have any latitude to change it, they likely will and thus break it. Licences which are not based not the TB license such as Toronto and Ontario are going through LWG at the moment. But this review is only of Ontario and Toronto. There are hundreds of tiny variations across the country, so there can be no blanket approval. Even differences in punctuation matter. Even if we got Toronto approval, that wouldn't cover the Toronto Public Library data, for example. That's under a different licence still. So for the moment I would suggest you help yourself to City of Ottawa Open Data and that available through the TB portal Not just TB, but all of data.GC.ca is under the federal OGL-CA 2.0. This includes NRCan, Industry Canada, and many others. But not the federal shipping charts or aviation data: those are still vigorously protected. Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] In progress: Clearances for Ontario and Toronto Open Data Licences
Just so folks know, there are a few initiatives going on that could lead us to using Ontario and Toronto open data. I requested the LWG review the licences last month. This will take a few months to rattle through the system. Also last month on Open Data Day, there were useful contacts made at the Ontario Treasury Board. I will be back in touch with them once the LWG result comes through. Just last week, Brian Bancroft made a great contact at the city of Toronto, and discussions are just starting. So it's a start, at least ... Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Wikidata in OpenStreetMap
On Nov 11, 2016 6:04 AM, "James"wrote: > > The other tags are precisions (instead of doing massive spatial joins) > you will know that say Ottawa is in Ontario I disagree that these need to be added. is_in* seems to be deprecated, and we have (or should have) robust boundary=administrative data for Canada. My main complaints about is_in are: * it's freeform, so you can't reliably create a relation to the parent entity from the text; * it's language sensitive, so you could in theory have no end of localized versions. Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Ottawa has changed its Open Data licence.
On Sep 15, 2016 08:08, "Kevin Farrugia"wrote: > > I think Stewart means make sure that the City has the rights to distribute it if the data is created by some third party. Thanks, Kevin. That's exactly what I meant. As was mentioned on the thread I linked to, a UK open address group found that one of their datasets was derived from a Google Maps geolocation service. This meant that the data org couldn't use it, even though the data had a nominal OGL licence. This open data org had government funding and support at a very senior level, yet couldn't get past this hurdle. So it's not a question of who owns the facilities, but rather if some third party has rights lurking in the data. And this would be something we'd have to ask about. Cheers Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence for The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0)
On 9 September 2016 at 11:22, Simon Poolewrote: > > I believe it was one of the major issues that openaddresses.uk ran in > to, see > https://www.scribd.com/document_downloads/265440465?extension=pdf=embed=embed > page 48 and following. Uh oh, so does that mean the UK Postcode database is back closed/was never really open? This is a little troubling for us in Canada, as Canada Post has been pulling stunts like threatening a crowdsourced postal code (as we call 'em) database with legal action. This suit has been withdrawn, but leaves a whole mess of unanswered questions. But back to the Region of Peel. I've cc'd Kevin, who is Peel's open data champion and active as a mapper and on talk-ca. He asked me if there were example requests you could maybe point to that have been used in the past. I was thinking something roughly along the lines of: OSM volunteers in Ontario wish to incorporate the following data sets kindly provided by Region of Peel under the [full_name_of_Peel_licence] licence: 1) building outlines for Caledon; 2) address points. We seek permission to republish these data under the ODbL, as used by OSM. We would like to have clarification that: a) the licence termination on breach clause can be relaxed regarding unlawful use. Once data are in OSM, we have no control over users' application of the data; and b) that Region of Peel can confirm that all rights to the open data sets are held by the Region, and that no third party databases have been used to derive the data sets. Is that roughly what a request looks like? I know that the address points are very likely developed internally by Peel (and there are no Postal Codes included) but the building outlines may have been derived from third-party LIDAR or orthophotos. Best Wishes, Stewart ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region
Hi James, > If you are asking if we are going to just dump a whole lot of data as is in a > region, the answer is no. No, I knew you weren't just planning to do that. I was asking if the import was going to be done through dedicated accounts, as it should be. These address points, once we get the licence sorted out, should add to previous work from Metrolinx and others to really help with geolocation in the GTHA. So, thanks for thinking of us! cheers, Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region
Hi Dennis - thanks for getting back to me. > We will be using the Tasking Manager to import small chunks of data that can be downloaded via each individual tasks. So these could possibly be carried out by regular user accounts, not the dedicated import accounts as required by the guidelines? Cheers Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Fwd: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence for The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0)
I checked on OSM-legal. Would probably work if we had a statement from Peel agreeing to inclusion. As is, it's likely not compatible. Stewart -- Forwarded message -- From: "Simon Poole"Date: Sep 8, 2016 13:57 Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence for The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0) To: Cc: > > The additional terms are "a bit of" a problem, however might be surmountable if they are willing to give us a statement specifically for the inclusion in OSM (along the lines of that they agree that the inclusion of the data in OpenStreetMap and distribution on terms of an open and free licence fulfils the conditions). > > All variants of the OGL have a further issue in that you actually have to verify that the Licensor has the necessary rights to licence -all- the material in their dataset to you on these terms. This might seem like a theoretical hurdle invented by me, alas it is not, as some of our UK colleagues can testify. > > Simon ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[OSM-legal-talk] Licence compatibility: Open Data Licence for The Regional Municipality of Peel (Version 1.0)
Hi - this came up on talk-ca, and I want to make sure I'm not being too restrictive. Licence is a near clone of the UK OGL 1.0. Full text is here: http://opendata.peelregion.ca/terms-of-use.aspx Like many Canadian municipalities, they've added their own secret sauce, unfortunately. In the "You must" section, they added: [You must] ensure that Your Use of the Information does not breach or infringe upon any applicable laws The OGL has automatic termination on breach, and most versions don't include this clause. Would this term potentially add complications for anyone downstream using the data - say to plan a public protest that authorities deem illegal? The Regional Municipality of Peel's open data person is an active OSM participant, and they say that it might take time for permission to use the data under a more OSM-friendly library. Your advice greatly appreciated. Best Wishes, Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [Talk-ca] [Import] Local community approval building & addresses in Peel region
Hi James: As per the import guide lines I wish to seek approval for importing > building outlines and addresses in the region of Peel. > > Documentation is available here: > https://github.com/osmottawa/imports/blob/master/Peel-Region.md > Seems like a decent outline, though I have questions: 1. Is the Region of Peel licence compatible? I see that it has automatic termination on breech (like many OGL clones) but it also adds "ensure that Your Use of the Information does not breach or infringe upon any applicable laws". This may add usage implications for those downstream. (Some folks from Peel came to a Toronto Mappy Hour a few years back. They might be willing to give permission to use the data under an ODbL-compatible licence.) 2. How will you be handling overlapping existing buildings? 3. Will you be posting these notes to the OSM wiki? It's a requirement of the guidelines ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Step_4_-_Documentation), and given the recent visibility than Canada imports have gained, might help avoid a procedural reversion. cheers from Portland, OR Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Triplinx import
Import user is: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Triplinx%20Canada Several 50K node imports today. Stewart On Feb 1, 2016 7:14 PM, "john whelan" <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: > I had a skype call with Mojgan where we discussed some of the issues and > there was an email sent to talk-ca on Jan 12th 2016. > > To me a couple of issues first are that the Stats Canada data was designed > for Stats Canada use, probably for the labour force survey and as such > provided the interviewer can see the address from where it is marked on the > map this is sufficent accuracy. My concern would be about the accuracy of > the data. > > Another issue is do we end up with duplicate addresses? My concern would > be do we end up with the same address in two different locations? > > I think a better solution would be to take a copy of the OSM database, > strip out the existing address data and drop in the stats data and use the > copy for their purposes. > > Cheerio John > > On 1 February 2016 at 18:36, Stewart Russell <scr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> It seems that this import has started with no discussion. Here's the wiki >> page: >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Triplinx_Metrolinx_Import_Plan >> >> Stewart >> >> ___ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Highway recoding
A trunk road is not necessarily divided. The limited access part means that it's not residential. It has to go from a town or city to another town or city. It predates or has lesser capacity than a motorway. It's one of these maddening "know one when I see one" definitions that makes perfect sense in the UK but is difficult elsewhere. Much of the Trans-Canada, f'rinstance, would be considered a trunk road. Cheers Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Advice on Addressing
I was pretty disappointed with the results I got from (mapquest's) Nominatim when I tried to geocode Doors Open Toronto's data. I found about a third of the results were clearly wrong, and haven't eyeballed the rest on a map to see how far off they are. Toronto's got pretty good address range entry, too. Sure, I hadn't cleaned up the data in any way (so there was some random noise about unit number formatting, and I don't think there was a single instance of the One True Canadian Address format in the whole list) but the results were disheartening. So, no answer from me, but I'm interested in hearing how this goes. Cheers Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] New OpenStreetMap web editing option now available, call for funding
On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Fabian Rodriguez magic...@member.fsf.orgwrote: http://blog.openstreetmap.org/2013/05/07/openstreetmap-launches-all-new-easy-map-editor-and-announces-funding-appeal/ All I get is a blank white screen with iD on Firefox 20.0.1 (aka current release). That might be a bit of a hurdle for new editors ... Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] openstreetmap.ca is up!
Being returned to the last edited thing is the best! If I saw all of Canada every time I went to the website I'd be pulling lots of tiles and queries to get where I want to go. Cheers Stewart ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] USGS Orthos in Canada
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: That's indeed some nice imagery. In the area I looked at, the QC/NY border south of Montreal, it doesn't extend all that far into Canada but it's nice nonetheless. It looks like some of the stuff in Canada is Public Domain: http://cumulus.cr.usgs.gov/dispatches/PRODUCT_Orthos.html#Canada - but it doesn't tell you the boundaries. It's newer than the Bing imagery where I live; looks like late summer 2009 or summer 2010, by the fresh(ish) paint on my deck. You can even make out someone in my back garden; might even be me ... If you look at the list linked from the wiki page ( http://cumulus.cr.usgs.gov/dispatches/PRODUCT_Orthos.html ) there don't seem to be any non-PD regions -- so I guess we can use it? But that list is not exhaustive; not every US county is on it. F'rinstance, in Missouri, Andrew, Buchanan, Bates, Benton, Pettis Cooper counties aren't listed - so that could mean that any imagery there is not Public Domain. cheers, Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] How did you start in OSM?
You know, I haven't a clue. I signed up in May 2007, but didn't actually start mapping until July 2010. Stewart -- http://scruss.com/blog/ - 73 de VA3PID ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca