Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011

2011-09-05 Thread maning sambale
Dear everyone,

I am know collating my mental notes in preparation for the State of
the PH lightning talk for SOTM2011.  And since this is a community
presentation, I might as well ask you on what we should be presenting.

The primary source materials of my talk is the wiki [0,1,2] and of
course, this list [3].  For sure the OSM-PH data has grown tremendously
in the the past 2 years. There a number of factors that may have
contributed to this growth.  I would like to focus the presentation on
on 4 main points.  Perhaps you can help me develop the discussion.

1. The osm-ph community.  Who is the community? What characterize a
PH OSMer? How do we map?  What are the innovative ways we do to
improve the map?  Are the data users part of this community?  Is the
talk-ph list and discussions here a representative sample of the osm-ph
community?

2. How do we use the data?  Some sample of data useage we can
illustrate.  Maybe a ph brewed mapping application? Or other ways you
have used the data? If there are any,
please provide a link or description and a screenshot.

3. Issues and concerns.  Why are we growing in some areas but not
in others?  How do you guage our relationship with other crowdsource
mapping initiative in the country (google mapmaker, roadguide.ph, wikimapia)?

4.  The future.  How do you see the state of PH data in a year or two?
What should be done to further improve and expand data coverage?

If you any thoughts, just send them here or as a PM. Thanks!

[0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Timeline
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Featured_images
[3] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:40 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, State of country talks are always well-received by the
 attendees. You can always talk about mapping activities in the
 Philippines. :-)

 And this wiki page needs some love:
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Philippines/Timeline


 On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:31 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 FYI, I got my visa application approved for the SOTM 2011 conf.  I
 will start preparing for our (possible) OSM-PH talk.  Any ideas what
 we should discuss for this year in behalf of the osm-ph community?

 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:18 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
 FYI,

 The old nominees for the past SOTM scholarships are: Maning, Eugene and 
 Murlwe

 Maning and Eugene are interested to try their luck again this time.
 Murlwe declined due to personal commitments.  If there are others
 interested to participate as an OSM-PH representative for this
 scholarship,  please tell us, as we prepare the nominations letter.
 Of course you can nominate yourself and send them directly to the
 scholarship organizers.

 On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Hi Andre,

 I agree that it's a bit tight. But I asked my officemate who went to
 the US last year and he said that he had a rush US visa application
 since he has a conference to attend in connection with his MBA. He got
 his appointment schedule in 2 weeks and the processing took 1 week.

 So maybe it's possible. :-)

 Eugene


 On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner
 an...@enthropia.com wrote:
 Wow, when are they gonna decide
 does anyone already have a US visa?
 3 months to get a visa isnt the best timetable :)

 On 3:59 AM, maning sambale wrote:

 Hoping we can finally send a Filipino rep.

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 From: Coast, Hurricanehurricane.co...@mapquest.com
 Date: Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:35 AM
 Subject: [OSM-talk] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011
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 The State of the Map Committee is excited to announce a program to
 cover full travel and accommodations costs for mappers to attend State
 of the Map 2011 in Denver, Colorado (United States). We’re seeking
 nominations from the community for potential mappers.

 We are seeking people from places where costs would prohibit
 attendance, developing countries, and places that are “interesting”
 geopolitically. The ideal candidates for funding are from countries
 with a small OSM community, perhaps just a few mappers in total. They
 have made a significant start at mapping their city, either through
 imagery or with their own GPS, and are directly familiar with the
 process of OSM. They may have started communicating among themselves,
 and made plans and scoped out the process for their local district.
 But, the community is nowhere near critical mass, and they need the
 inspiration and support to take OSM to the next level.

 We need to act fast! State of the Map is just over 3 and a half months
 away, tickets and visas need to be arranged. In order to allow enough
 time for all the arrangements, the nomination period will be short,
 and ending at Sunday, June 

Re: [talk-ph] re osm community

2011-09-05 Thread maning sambale
Dear docsam,

First off I want to mention that you are doing great work mapping
Mindanao.  I'll answer a few of your concerns.

If you don't hear from anyone that means either your are doing it
correctly or no one is around to check your edits.  I suspect it is
the former. :)
I did corrected a few of your edits a few days ago.  This is related
to using the ref tag.  Apologies for not informing you of my
corrections.
Here is my changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/8925161
I usually add a descriptive changeset comment so that other will
understand what was edited.
 1.  i've been submitting data to osm but up to now i still dont have the
 confidence if im doing it right. no one is telling me if what im doing is
 right or not.  maybe a local forum osm-ph shouls be created or maybe there
 is but im not aware of it.  or atleast a personal mail to really direct to
 the person concerned the things that needs to be corrected.


Yes this is true.  Perhaps others can share their own experience on
the point  polygon conversion.
 2.  we have a vague standards as to the placement of the waypoints and what
 i noticed, not all waypoints uploaded form part of the map.  most waypoints
 are later transformed into polygon. even the classifications of roads are a
 guessing game to me.


JOSM is the offline tool while the edit tab or potlatch is the browser
based editing tool.  I personally use JOSM because it has more editing
capabilities and I can edit data offline.  Both editor has its own
benefits and issues.
 3.  i believe that there are a lots of people who would like to contibute to
 osm since its an international site but theres no clear tutorial site.  to
 name a few, like whats the difference of using josm and the osm edit tab
 portion?  how to make polygons, what  qualifies a waypoint to be a polygon?

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Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Scholarship program to State of the Map 2011

2011-09-05 Thread Jim Morgan
Sounds great so far. 

You might also want a small section on the particular challenges peculiar to 
the Philippines. Just off the top of my head:

- The lack of satellite data (always good to plug that one). So we rely 
more heavily on contributions, especially in rural areas. 
- The different ways of subdividing areas. City / Barangay / Village 
etc. and how that maps onto the OSM categories
- The different names for things. How do we mark a sari-sari store?  
(insert picture into slideshow) Convenience? Vulcanizing store (cue Spock joke 
...). 

Those are a few issues that I remember from the discussions on this list. I 
think this is the sort of thing which would be interesting to others from 
outside: The quirks. 

Jim

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