Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops
maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM: Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests into 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers who are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops, and tutorials. Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and QA - I've done a few of them on Online Security topics. Here are a couple http://www.anymeeting.com/ (ad supported) https://www.meetingburner.com/ (ten participants free) ... and there are more around. Maybe OSM has an account with one of the paid ones, which we could borrow for an hour? Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 5125 3392 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] names of persons as notes
Someone's been posting names of individuals (household owner?) in the Pampanga area. Any idea who that could be? *Erwin Olario* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - » email: erwin@ er...@ngnuity.net*n**GNU**it**y**.**net*http://ngnuity.net/ | gov...@gmail.com » mobile: (PHL): +63 908 817 2013 | (USA): +1 347 746 9461 » OpenPGP key: 3A93D56B | 5D42 7CCB 8827 9046 1ACB 0B94 63A4 81CE 3A93 D56B ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops
Hi All, I just wanted to mention if you see ways that HOT can help please let us know. I think all of the ideas suggested so far have possibilities. How would you all from the OSM-ph community feel about HOT hosting some trainings? We typically haven't done much on the ground work in the Philippines because the community is so strong. Currently we don't have any firm plans to do such things (we would need funding to assist us in travel and other costs), but it is a possibility. We of course would inquire here first if any such thing happened. Thanks, -Kate On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM: Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests into 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers who are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops, and tutorials. Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and QA - I've done a few of them on Online Security topics. Here are a couple http://www.anymeeting.com/ (ad supported) https://www.meetingburner.com/ (ten participants free) ... and there are more around. Maybe OSM has an account with one of the paid ones, which we could borrow for an hour? Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 5125 3392 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops
We are looking to do such training with humanitarians in various areas. Andrew started a project with MSF in Democratic Republic of Congo where we will train field teams. Let's keep coordinated and assure we develop tools that can be reused elsewhere. I suggest that we organize a meeting through Mumble with people interested by this subject to discuss and find ways to go on with these various trainings, adapted content to prepare, ways to train, including at distance. Pierre De : Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com À : Cc : osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 30 janvier 2014 5h38 Objet : Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops Hi All, I just wanted to mention if you see ways that HOT can help please let us know. I think all of the ideas suggested so far have possibilities. How would you all from the OSM-ph community feel about HOT hosting some trainings? We typically haven't done much on the ground work in the Philippines because the community is so strong. Currently we don't have any firm plans to do such things (we would need funding to assist us in travel and other costs), but it is a possibility. We of course would inquire here first if any such thing happened. Thanks, -Kate On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM: Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests into 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers who are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops, and tutorials. Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and QA - I've done a few of them on Online Security topics. Here are a couple http://www.anymeeting.com/ (ad supported) https://www.meetingburner.com/ (ten participants free) ... and there are more around. Maybe OSM has an account with one of the paid ones, which we could borrow for an hour? Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 5125 3392 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops
I am primarily a field mapper who is more interested on mapping remote islands and mountains for local tourism, navigation, and outdoor recreation. I am based in Manila but I may be able to assist interested mapping advocates who would like to do it on a more challenging terrain. Ervin M. *Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: We are looking to do such training with humanitarians in various areas. Andrew started a project with MSF in Democratic Republic of Congo where we will train field teams. Let's keep coordinated and assure we develop tools that can be reused elsewhere. I suggest that we organize a meeting through Mumble with people interested by this subject to discuss and find ways to go on with these various trainings, adapted content to prepare, ways to train, including at distance. Pierre -- *De :* Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com *À :* *Cc :* osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 30 janvier 2014 5h38 *Objet :* Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops Hi All, I just wanted to mention if you see ways that HOT can help please let us know. I think all of the ideas suggested so far have possibilities. How would you all from the OSM-ph community feel about HOT hosting some trainings? We typically haven't done much on the ground work in the Philippines because the community is so strong. Currently we don't have any firm plans to do such things (we would need funding to assist us in travel and other costs), but it is a possibility. We of course would inquire here first if any such thing happened. Thanks, -Kate On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM: Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests into 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers who are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops, and tutorials. Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and QA - I've done a few of them on Online Security topics. Here are a couple http://www.anymeeting.com/ (ad supported) https://www.meetingburner.com/ (ten participants free) ... and there are more around. Maybe OSM has an account with one of the paid ones, which we could borrow for an hour? Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 5125 3392 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops
Hi Robert, I agree that it is better to do in person training for non-typical OSM users. But we can think of some at distance training support for the trainers if necessary. Andrew Buck, Will Skora and I have experienced last year supporting various local chapters in African countries. Andrew and I are pursuing in this direction discussing presently with humanitarians in Congo that also want to do some field data collection. I dont know how others see this, but we could first try to build a common repository for material specific to data collection that would complete LearnOsm. The tradittional approach is to use GPS + Field Paper + Questionnaires. But new tools based on smarphones and tablets are emerging to complete the data collection workflow. If some training material is developped for this, and data collection experienced made, we should share these infos among the various groups. Pierre De : Banick, Robert robert.ban...@redcross.org À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com; osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org; HOT Discussion list h...@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 30 janvier 2014 17h29 Objet : RE: [HOT] [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops The Red Cross may also be interested in some trainings in the Philippines. We’re pulling together our strategic plan for recovery right now and OSM trainings for Philippines Red Cross chapters are on there. I think in person trainings are better for non-typical OSM users (i.e. non-nerds). I would be nervous about solely remote means of training. Robert Banick | Field GIS Coordinator | International Services | Ì American Red Cross 2025 E Street NW, Washington, DC 20006 Tel 202-303-5017 | Cell 202-805-3679 | Skype robert.banick From:Pierre Béland [mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 8:23 AM To: Kate Chapman Cc: osm-ph; HOT Discussion list Subject: Re: [HOT] [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops We are looking to do such training with humanitarians in various areas. Andrew started a project with MSF in Democratic Republic of Congo where we will train field teams. Let's keep coordinated and assure we develop tools that can be reused elsewhere. I suggest that we organize a meeting through Mumble with people interested by this subject to discuss and find ways to go on with these various trainings, adapted content to prepare, ways to train, including at distance. Pierre De :Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com À : Cc : osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Jeudi 30 janvier 2014 5h38 Objet : Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops Hi All, I just wanted to mention if you see ways that HOT can help please let us know. I think all of the ideas suggested so far have possibilities. How would you all from the OSM-ph community feel about HOT hosting some trainings? We typically haven't done much on the ground work in the Philippines because the community is so strong. Currently we don't have any firm plans to do such things (we would need funding to assist us in travel and other costs), but it is a possibility. We of course would inquire here first if any such thing happened. Thanks, -Kate On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM: Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests into 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers who are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops, and tutorials. Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and QA - I've done a few of them on Online Security topics. Here are a couple http://www.anymeeting.com/ (ad supported) https://www.meetingburner.com/ (ten participants free) ... and there are more around. Maybe OSM has an account with one of the paid ones, which we could borrow for an hour? Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 5125 3392 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM: Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests into 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers who are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops, and tutorials. Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and QA - I've done a few of them on Online Security topics. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph For online tutorials and demos, I think just posting videos to YouTube would suffice. But for real-time workshops and lectures, the problem would be the unreliable Internet connection. Also, I've noticed that Filipinos generally prefer face-to-face interaction. I've seen countless times where you ask the audience if they have any questions and nobody would raise their hands. But after the lecture is over, a few people would approach the lecturer and then ask questions. This kind of interaction would be hard to do online. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops
Eugene is 100% correct. I have conducted many training seminars in the Philippines (previous life) and I have found that face to face is the most effective. Additionally, it is a lot more effective with small groups. If you had 20 participants, it would be better to split into two or three smaller groups with separate trainers. The one on one personal interaction is a lot more effective, team building is more effective and the transfer of information and skills is more effective. This is a cultural phenomenon . Most Filipinos are unwilling to ask questions in a large group situation for fear of looking silly, unlike us Aussies who have no fear of that (hee hee) If I did have to present to larger groups, I always made myself available afterwards for private questions. Generally there were a lot of people who took up the opportunity or contacted me afterwards. It did detract form the learning process. The approach of a bigger Group for Introductions, splitting into smaller groups for training and then bigger groups for closing also works well, or simply conduct smaller groups on consecutive sessions and encourage participants from earlier sessions to help in later sessions to reinforce their learning. This is harder on the trainer, of course. If the participants awe captive for a period of time, the groups finished could be set a project to do whilst other sessions are on going. Cheers Mark Regards Mark Cupitt If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence See me on LinkedIn http://ph.linkedin.com/in/markcupitt *See me on StackExchange http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/17846/mark-c* === The contents of this email are intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the email and any attachments. === On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:18 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: maning sambale wrote, On Wednesday, 29 January, 2014 06:40 PM: Might it be more prudent if we can consolidate several of the requests into 1, preferably in Manila? Outside of Manila, there is no group of mappers who are also interested in spreading the word or giving lectures, workshops, and tutorials. Just thinking out loud here ... would it be possible to do tutorials or demos online, using web conferencing software? Then the geographical location becomes irrelevant. It defintely works for Slideshows and QA - I've done a few of them on Online Security topics. https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph For online tutorials and demos, I think just posting videos to YouTube would suffice. But for real-time workshops and lectures, the problem would be the unreliable Internet connection. Also, I've noticed that Filipinos generally prefer face-to-face interaction. I've seen countless times where you ask the audience if they have any questions and nobody would raise their hands. But after the lecture is over, a few people would approach the lecturer and then ask questions. This kind of interaction would be hard to do online. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops
On 01/31/2014 09:18 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: But for real-time workshops and lectures, the problem would be the unreliable Internet connection. I agree there would need to be a solid internet connection, but the bandwidth needed isn't that great, so interested parties would only need to get to a location where they could secure a reasonably reliable connection. In addition, a whole group of people could be sharing one client computer, so even if you're limited to 10 participants, that could be 10 small groups of people around the country. The services I've used usually have some sort of slideshow presentation capability, have audio streaming for the presenter's voice, can do screen-sharing, for demonstrationg applications and techniques, and have a group chat facility where participants can ask questions. This all seems to work fine over a 1Mbit connection. Also, I've noticed that Filipinos generally prefer face-to-face interaction. I've seen countless times where you ask the audience if they have any questions and nobody would raise their hands. But after the lecture is over, a few people would approach the lecturer and then ask questions. This kind of interaction would be hard to do online. Point taken about the reticence of audiences here. I've held a few meetings here myself where its really hard to get input ... which has been the whole purpose of the meeting! But I think the group chat might actually encourage this. People actually seem to get braver when they're not putting their hand up in a roomful of people. Basically as the presenter is demonstrating something, questions appear in the group chat, and the presenter can address them when its convenient. It actually seems to work quite well. There are also options to send private messages by email which can be addressed in the QA session. Anyway, just something to consider, and I'm just bouncing the idea around. Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Increasing demand for OSM talks and workshops
Hi All, We have faced similar challenged in Indonesia. Typically with our trainings someone runs the powerpoint and talks at the front but then we have other trainers around the trainees looking for problems and providing help. There are also times we break into small groups. The small groups can sometimes be limited by the lack of a way to show everyone the instructors screen though. Typically we try to use two projectors (I know a luxury) one shows the slides on the topic and the other walks people through what to actual click. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: On 01/31/2014 09:18 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Also, I've noticed that Filipinos generally prefer face-to-face interaction. I've seen countless times where you ask the audience if they have any questions and nobody would raise their hands. But after the lecture is over, a few people would approach the lecturer and then ask questions. This kind of interaction would be hard to do online. Point taken about the reticence of audiences here. I've held a few meetings here myself where its really hard to get input ... which has been the whole purpose of the meeting! But I think the group chat might actually encourage this. People actually seem to get braver when they're not putting their hand up in a roomful of people. Basically as the presenter is demonstrating something, questions appear in the group chat, and the presenter can address them when its convenient. It actually seems to work quite well. There are also options to send private messages by email which can be addressed in the QA session. How do you think doing remote training where an in person connection has already been made? For example if participants had taken part in a one or two day beginner class, but then could remotely receive follow-up training? Perhaps having the initial face to face would help. Best, -Kate Anyway, just something to consider, and I'm just bouncing the idea around. Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
