[talk-ph] Mapillary over Haiyan/Yolanda areas
I'm slowly uploading geocoded photos from our fieldwork in Leyte-Samar last week. These photos are mostly the roadtrip part. Some are crappy, some are nice. I find it useful to check bridge names, schools and other roadside POIs. You can use it to validate some areas we mapped during the Yolanda response. Image sequence are available in my mapillary page [0]. For a tutorial on how to use the images in iD or JOSM, follow this nice post [1] from MapBox. A few more GBs to come. [0] http://www.mapillary.com/profile/maning [1] https://www.mapbox.com/blog/mapillary-mapping/ -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
Query regarding tagging bridges. What is the appropriate way of tagging bridges? Option1: Use the name of the road, and place the name of the bridge under bridge:name or the name of the tunnel under tunnel:name Option2: Use the name of the bridge/tunnel, omit the road name Thanks Ervin M. *Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
Eugene, I expect that only the major bridges have name. And we generally refer to these by their name and not the road reference. Unless you have particularities in Philippines.Example Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco bay.OpenStreetMap | Golden Gate Bridge (52477381) Pierre De : Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com À : Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com Cc : OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mercredi 18 février 2015 12h35 Objet : Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels Hi Ervin, Option 1 is what I do. Take note that if we have a way with highway=something and bridge=yes, then the object is primarily a highway/road and the bridge is only an aspect or property of the highway/road segment. Therefore, the name=* tag should be the name of the highway/road. And then put the name of the bridge on the bridge:name=* tag. Besides, it will be very weird to have a long highway with unconnected names just because there are bridges along the highway. The only time I would put the name of the bridge on the name=* tag is if the roads from both ends of the bridge have different names. For example, the bridge formerly called Del Pan in Manila: www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674 ~Eugene On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com wrote: Query regarding tagging bridges. What is the appropriate way of tagging bridges? Option1: Use the name of the road, and place the name of the bridge under bridge:name or the name of the tunnel under tunnel:name Option2: Use the name of the bridge/tunnel, omit the road name Thanks Ervin M. Schadow1 Expeditions - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland.http://www.s1expeditions.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
Hi Ervin, Option 1 is what I do. Take note that if we have a way with highway=something and bridge=yes, then the object is primarily a highway/road and the bridge is only an aspect or property of the highway/road segment. Therefore, the name=* tag should be the name of the highway/road. And then put the name of the bridge on the bridge:name=* tag. Besides, it will be very weird to have a long highway with unconnected names just because there are bridges along the highway. The only time I would put the name of the bridge on the name=* tag is if the roads from both ends of the bridge have different names. For example, the bridge formerly called Del Pan in Manila: www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674 ~Eugene On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com wrote: Query regarding tagging bridges. What is the appropriate way of tagging bridges? Option1: Use the name of the road, and place the name of the bridge under bridge:name or the name of the tunnel under tunnel:name Option2: Use the name of the bridge/tunnel, omit the road name Thanks Ervin M. *Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
Perfect, Eugene. Just what I thought of. Maybe we should place this info on Philippine mapping convention wiki. I'm having a hard time redoing and undoing edits for the bridge and tunnel names and I guess we need to make this a standard. And as for using ref no., Philippines I believe is not familiar about numbers and they prefer road names. Ref numbers can only be used for special purposes. Ervin Malicdem for Schadow1 Expeditions a Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com On Feb 19, 2015 1:35 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ervin, Option 1 is what I do. Take note that if we have a way with highway=something and bridge=yes, then the object is primarily a highway/road and the bridge is only an aspect or property of the highway/road segment. Therefore, the name=* tag should be the name of the highway/road. And then put the name of the bridge on the bridge:name=* tag. Besides, it will be very weird to have a long highway with unconnected names just because there are bridges along the highway. The only time I would put the name of the bridge on the name=* tag is if the roads from both ends of the bridge have different names. For example, the bridge formerly called Del Pan in Manila: www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674 ~Eugene On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com wrote: Query regarding tagging bridges. What is the appropriate way of tagging bridges? Option1: Use the name of the road, and place the name of the bridge under bridge:name or the name of the tunnel under tunnel:name Option2: Use the name of the bridge/tunnel, omit the road name Thanks Ervin M. *Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] HOT Summit 2015 - Scholarship Program Announcement
FYI all. I know many of you have been involved with HOT in some capacity in the past. — Sent from Mailbox Begin forwarded message: On Wednesday, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Blake Girardot bgirar...@gmail.com, wrote: Greetings everyone! The Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team [HOT] is hosting a 3 day HOT Summit 2015 event in Washington D.C. April 30th to May 2nd 2015. It will be a chance for volunteer mappers, educators, community builders, humanitarians, geographers, programmers and other folks interested in humanitarian mapping from around the world come together to share knowledge, fellowship and generate new ideas. http://summit.hotosm.org/ The full program of speakers and break out sessions is yet to be finalized and announced, but just as important as the program itself is who is going to attend as participants. HOT's donors and supporters are offering a number of full and partial scholarships to help make attendance accessible to as many people as possible. These scholarships will cover or help defray costs for travel, lodging and attendance fees and are open to anyone who would like to come but is not able to due to the costs associated with attending the event. We would like to especially encourage people from outside the United States to attend, we want you at the HOT Summit! We are an international organization and the diversity of our community is one of our strengths. We can not be as effective as we would like without our international community members attending events like this. We need you! If costs are the only thing stopping you from attending we want to encourage you to apply for scholarship funding for part or all of your costs. Scholarship applications can be submitted here: http://goo.gl/forms/v9QDwi1sOz If you have any interest in attending from outside the United States please get in touch with us right away. We understand the idea and mechanics of traveling can be somewhat challenging, but we are here to help and you are not on your own to figure out how to get here for the Summit. Whether you would like to apply for scholarship support or not, please contact us and let us know you would like to attend. For international visitors the first step is to learn about the entry process for the US. If you are from any of the 38 countries listed here: http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/visit/visa-waiver-program.html You will not need to apply for a visa, but instead follow the ESTA process. Visitors from any other countries can find out more about the visa process here: http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english.html (You probably want a B Visa for visitors) Any questions? Just ask. Please. We are really looking forward to seeing you at the HOT Summit! Cheers, Blake Volunteer mapper HOT Summit 2015 Helper PS: Please forward this email to any other OSM email lists or groups you think is appropriate, especially local groups. It would be great if you could add some words of introduction or comment in the local language or translate any part of this email. ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
Hi, Pierre, Thanks for the reply. It seems to me that when a road has a ref tag, the itinerary calculator generally ignores street names, including the one given to the Abacan Bridge. This may make sense in Europe and the US, but here it's actually quite confusing. The ref (R-9 fo MacArthur Highway) is generally not used outside of the mapping community, and hardly within I believe. If I ask 500 random people on the street in Angeles City where R-9 or R-8 is, I doubt a single one would know. Furthermore, I can't remember seeing a single sign along a road stating the ref. The ideal displayed name for this road would be MacArthur Highway - that's what everyone calls it. Same for R-9, which is known as NLEX, or simply the expressway. Is there a way to make that happen, but still not tag for display purposes? Could we simply remove the ref tag entirely, maybe renaming it to future_ref or something awaiting the local government actually putting up signs so that people are aware of it (likely to take decades)? If we're supposed to map reality, the ref tag, at least outside of Metro Manila, does not reflect it at the moment. Also, the itinerary calculator unfortunately doesn't seem to handle roundabouts very well. Or are they incorrectly tagged? If I was to give that itinerary description to someone, I am sure they would get lost, as I can hardly think of a more complicated way to describe an essentially straight piece of road. Knowing I might have been tagging incorrectly in this area myself, is there any way we could tag this differently to improve the routing? Ideally this stretch would be described as: Follow MacArthur Highway Turn slight right onto Abacan Bridge Turn slight left onto MacArthur Highway (or better, Take 3rd exit in the roundabout onto MacArthur Highway, but this may be hard if the routing software doesn't know it's a roundabout...) Reach destination. Ronny. On 2015-02-19 09:33, Pierre Béland wrote: Hi Ronny, I thought of using the new itinary calculation crossing the Abacan bridge. I can see from the map in this area that in Philippines, like elsewhere, ref tag is used for roads (here ref=R-9). See the link for the itinary http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_carroute=15.1682%2C120.5893%3B15.1426%2C120.5962#map=15/15.1554/120.5929 With OSRM, it does show the ref-R-9 but do not report bridge crossing. With Mapquest, there is even less info. I wonder if OSMAnd on Android or any other road calculation software would report bridge crossing. Pierre -- *De :* Ronny Ager-Wick ro...@ager-wick.com *À :* Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com; Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr *Cc :* OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 18 février 2015 20h18 *Objet :* Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels This is a good point Eugene, and in fact the bridge names are very good landmarks, given that there are not many other signs on the roads in the Philippines, especially in rural areas. Another thing to take into consideration is that many bridges gain their name from the river they cross over, so there may be many bridges with the same name. They are definitely not tagged consistently at the moment, for example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15516/120.59219 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15840/120.60712 If I remember correctly, they are both named Abacan Bridge, but only one of them has that name on the map, and incidentally the one with a different road name on each side does not. Do you know if common routing software will pick up the bridge:name=* tag? Yes, I know we're not supposed to tag based on what current software will pick up, but it is interesting to know, given that bridges are such great landmarks. It would be great with a published suggested standard that fits the Philippine conditions. Ronny. On 2015-02-19 08:08, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Hi Pierre, Most bridges here in the Philippines have names no matter how small. You can usually spot their name on the guard rail or on a small sign just before the bridge. These names are almost always accompanied by the maximum load the bridge can handle (which is tagged using maxweight=*) and sometimes with the distance from the island's zero-kilometer marker (I have no idea how to tag these. Maybe distance=*?). Some examples: http://www.philippinesdailyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bukidnon-atugan-bridge.jpg http://www.zamboanga.com/z/images/0/09/Calapan_Bridge,_Calapan,_Kabasalan,_Zamboanga_Sibugay,_Philippines.JPG http://static.rappler.com/images/tullahan-bridge-screengrab-20130708.jpg Regards, Eugene On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Eugene, I expect that only the major bridges have name. And we generally refer to these by their name and not the road reference. Unless you
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
Hi Ronny, for the refs that are not implemented yet (ie no signs on the road), you could convert to ref:phThis way, it would keep the reference and it would be easy later to convert back. On the map, both the ref and the road name are showed. I am not sure that the name will be showed by the routing applications if you remove the ref. You will see the result if you look at areas where there is no ref. About the roundabout in the calculator, we see in this link that small segments with no names are reported as unamed. http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_carroute=15.1653%2C120.6177%3B15.2239%2C120.5914#map=20/15.16086/120.60972layers=H You could try to discuss on the osm main list about this reporting how this new routing feature could be enhanced. Pierre De : Ronny Ager-Wick ro...@ager-wick.com À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com Cc : OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mercredi 18 février 2015 22h01 Objet : Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels Hi, Pierre, Thanks for the reply. It seems to me that when a road has a ref tag, the itinerary calculator generally ignores street names, including the one given to the Abacan Bridge. This may make sense in Europe and the US, but here it's actually quite confusing. The ref (R-9 fo MacArthur Highway) is generally not used outside of the mapping community, and hardly within I believe. If I ask 500 random people on the street in Angeles City where R-9 or R-8 is, I doubt a single one would know. Furthermore, I can't remember seeing a single sign along a road stating the ref. The ideal displayed name for this road would be MacArthur Highway - that's what everyone calls it. Same for R-9, which is known as NLEX, or simply the expressway. Is there a way to make that happen, but still not tag for display purposes? Could we simply remove the ref tag entirely, maybe renaming it to future_ref or something awaiting the local government actually putting up signs so that people are aware of it (likely to take decades)? If we're supposed to map reality, the ref tag, at least outside of Metro Manila, does not reflect it at the moment. Also, the itinerary calculator unfortunately doesn't seem to handle roundabouts very well. Or are they incorrectly tagged? If I was to give that itinerary description to someone, I am sure they would get lost, as I can hardly think of a more complicated way to describe an essentially straight piece of road. Knowing I might have been tagging incorrectly in this area myself, is there any way we could tag this differently to improve the routing? Ideally this stretch would be described as: Follow MacArthur Highway Turn slight right onto Abacan Bridge Turn slight left onto MacArthur Highway (or better, Take 3rd exit in the roundabout onto MacArthur Highway, but this may be hard if the routing software doesn't know it's a roundabout...) Reach destination. Ronny. On 2015-02-19 09:33, Pierre Béland wrote: Hi Ronny, I thought of using the new itinary calculation crossing the Abacan bridge. I can see from the map in this area that in Philippines, like elsewhere, ref tag is used for roads (here ref=R-9). See the link for the itinary http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_carroute=15.1682%2C120.5893%3B15.1426%2C120.5962#map=15/15.1554/120.5929 With OSRM, it does show the ref-R-9 but do not report bridge crossing. With Mapquest, there is even less info. I wonder if OSMAnd on Android or any other road calculation software would report bridge crossing. Pierre De : Ronny Ager-Wick ro...@ager-wick.com À : Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com; Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr Cc : OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mercredi 18 février 2015 20h18 Objet : Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels This is a good point Eugene, and in fact the bridge names are very good landmarks, given that there are not many other signs on the roads in the Philippines, especially in rural areas. Another thing to take into consideration is that many bridges gain their name from the river they cross over, so there may be many bridges with the same name. They are definitely not tagged consistently at the moment, for example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15516/120.59219 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15840/120.60712 If I remember correctly, they are both named Abacan Bridge, but only one of them has that name on the map, and incidentally the one with a different road name on each side does not. Do you know if common routing software will pick up the bridge:name=* tag? Yes, I know we're not supposed to tag based on what current software will pick up, but it is interesting to know, given that bridges are such great landmarks. It would be great with a published suggested standard that fits the Philippine conditions. Ronny. On 2015-02-19
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
Thanks again, Pierre, First of all, I think I made that roundabout ages ago and forgot to add the junction=roundabout tag. Fixed. That will surely help! I've also fixed unnamed road sections near roundabouts, so I will rest the routing again later when it has been updated. What do the rest of you think of renaming all ref tags to ref:ph? I know it would make sense here, and probably everywhere outside of Metro Manila, but what about Manila? I assume C-5 is this type of reference, and it's in common use there, isn't it? But I also think EDSA has a reference that nobody cares about, so it's not consistent. If the consensus is that we would be better off putting these tags on hold (making them ref:ph instead of ref), I assume this could be done through a batch routine? We would have to make very sure that we only remove references that are confusing, not ones that are actually in use, if any. Ronny. On 2015-02-19 11:12, Pierre Béland wrote: Hi Ronny, for the refs that are not implemented yet (ie no signs on the road), you could convert to ref:ph This way, it would keep the reference and it would be easy later to convert back. On the map, both the ref and the road name are showed. I am not sure that the name will be showed by the routing applications if you remove the ref. You will see the result if you look at areas where there is no ref. About the roundabout in the calculator, we see in this link that small segments with no names are reported as unamed. http://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_carroute=15.1653%2C120.6177%3B15.2239%2C120.5914#map=20/15.16086/120.60972layers=H You could try to discuss on the osm main list about this reporting how this new routing feature could be enhanced. Pierre ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Mapillary over Haiyan/Yolanda areas
Faces and license plates should be blurred. But sometimes, the algorithm fails. There is a manual request for blur/unblur. I usually review my uploads at a later time. Maning Sambale (mobile) On Feb 18, 2015 8:51 PM, abjuration abjurat...@gmail.com wrote: Question about Mapillary. Is this legal? Privacy wise. I mean license plates and people faces are visible (AFAIK they should be blurred out like Google Street View). I'm not against this. I just want to know if this is safe/legal here. I'm planning on contributing too. Sample: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/rQEM29TNvP9pV2cz9EK7TA http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/H6cTzM0HslZBQzWtRov2TA http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/SDa7wuv5rdhSz9WQX7oxrg Thanks k0n -Original Message- From: maning sambale [mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:17 PM To: osm-ph Subject: [talk-ph] Mapillary over Haiyan/Yolanda areas I'm slowly uploading geocoded photos from our fieldwork in Leyte-Samar last week. These photos are mostly the roadtrip part. Some are crappy, some are nice. I find it useful to check bridge names, schools and other roadside POIs. You can use it to validate some areas we mapped during the Yolanda response. Image sequence are available in my mapillary page [0]. For a tutorial on how to use the images in iD or JOSM, follow this nice post [1] from MapBox. A few more GBs to come. [0] http://www.mapillary.com/profile/maning [1] https://www.mapbox.com/blog/mapillary-mapping/ -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
HI Ervin The best I thin, if there is a ref. no for the road, isname=name of the bridge ref=ref.no Pierre De : Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com À : OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mercredi 18 février 2015 4h34 Objet : [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels Query regarding tagging bridges. What is the appropriate way of tagging bridges? Option1: Use the name of the road, and place the name of the bridge under bridge:name or the name of the tunnel under tunnel:name Option2: Use the name of the bridge/tunnel, omit the road name Thanks Ervin M. Schadow1 Expeditions - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland.http://www.s1expeditions.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Mapillary over Haiyan/Yolanda areas
Question about Mapillary. Is this legal? Privacy wise. I mean license plates and people faces are visible (AFAIK they should be blurred out like Google Street View). I'm not against this. I just want to know if this is safe/legal here. I'm planning on contributing too. Sample: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/rQEM29TNvP9pV2cz9EK7TA http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/H6cTzM0HslZBQzWtRov2TA http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/SDa7wuv5rdhSz9WQX7oxrg Thanks k0n -Original Message- From: maning sambale [mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 7:17 PM To: osm-ph Subject: [talk-ph] Mapillary over Haiyan/Yolanda areas I'm slowly uploading geocoded photos from our fieldwork in Leyte-Samar last week. These photos are mostly the roadtrip part. Some are crappy, some are nice. I find it useful to check bridge names, schools and other roadside POIs. You can use it to validate some areas we mapped during the Yolanda response. Image sequence are available in my mapillary page [0]. For a tutorial on how to use the images in iD or JOSM, follow this nice post [1] from MapBox. A few more GBs to come. [0] http://www.mapillary.com/profile/maning [1] https://www.mapbox.com/blog/mapillary-mapping/ -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
This is a good point Eugene, and in fact the bridge names are very good landmarks, given that there are not many other signs on the roads in the Philippines, especially in rural areas. Another thing to take into consideration is that many bridges gain their name from the river they cross over, so there may be many bridges with the same name. They are definitely not tagged consistently at the moment, for example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15516/120.59219 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15840/120.60712 If I remember correctly, they are both named Abacan Bridge, but only one of them has that name on the map, and incidentally the one with a different road name on each side does not. Do you know if common routing software will pick up the bridge:name=* tag? Yes, I know we're not supposed to tag based on what current software will pick up, but it is interesting to know, given that bridges are such great landmarks. It would be great with a published suggested standard that fits the Philippine conditions. Ronny. On 2015-02-19 08:08, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Hi Pierre, Most bridges here in the Philippines have names no matter how small. You can usually spot their name on the guard rail or on a small sign just before the bridge. These names are almost always accompanied by the maximum load the bridge can handle (which is tagged using maxweight=*) and sometimes with the distance from the island's zero-kilometer marker (I have no idea how to tag these. Maybe distance=*?). Some examples: http://www.philippinesdailyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bukidnon-atugan-bridge.jpg http://www.zamboanga.com/z/images/0/09/Calapan_Bridge,_Calapan,_Kabasalan,_Zamboanga_Sibugay,_Philippines.JPG http://static.rappler.com/images/tullahan-bridge-screengrab-20130708.jpg Regards, Eugene On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr mailto:pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Eugene, I expect that only the major bridges have name. And we generally refer to these by their name and not the road reference. Unless you have particularities in Philippines. Example Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco bay. OpenStreetMap | Golden Gate Bridge (52477381) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52477381 Pierre -- *De :* Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com mailto:sea...@gmail.com *À :* Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com mailto:schad...@gmail.com *Cc :* OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 18 février 2015 12h35 *Objet :* Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels Hi Ervin, Option 1 is what I do. Take note that if we have a way with highway=something and bridge=yes, then the object is primarily a highway/road and the bridge is only an aspect or property of the highway/road segment. Therefore, the name=* tag should be the name of the highway/road. And then put the name of the bridge on the bridge:name=* tag. Besides, it will be very weird to have a long highway with unconnected names just because there are bridges along the highway. The only time I would put the name of the bridge on the name=* tag is if the roads from both ends of the bridge have different names. For example, the bridge formerly called Del Pan in Manila: www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674 ~Eugene On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com mailto:schad...@gmail.com wrote: Query regarding tagging bridges. What is the appropriate way of tagging bridges? Option1: Use the name of the road, and place the name of the bridge under bridge:name or the name of the tunnel under tunnel:name Option2: Use the name of the bridge/tunnel, omit the road name Thanks Ervin M. *Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com http://www.s1expeditions.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
Hi Pierre, Most bridges here in the Philippines have names no matter how small. You can usually spot their name on the guard rail or on a small sign just before the bridge. These names are almost always accompanied by the maximum load the bridge can handle (which is tagged using maxweight=*) and sometimes with the distance from the island's zero-kilometer marker (I have no idea how to tag these. Maybe distance=*?). Some examples: http://www.philippinesdailyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bukidnon-atugan-bridge.jpg http://www.zamboanga.com/z/images/0/09/Calapan_Bridge,_Calapan,_Kabasalan,_Zamboanga_Sibugay,_Philippines.JPG http://static.rappler.com/images/tullahan-bridge-screengrab-20130708.jpg Regards, Eugene On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Eugene, I expect that only the major bridges have name. And we generally refer to these by their name and not the road reference. Unless you have particularities in Philippines. Example Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco bay. OpenStreetMap | Golden Gate Bridge (52477381) http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/52477381 Pierre -- *De :* Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com *À :* Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com *Cc :* OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 18 février 2015 12h35 *Objet :* Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels Hi Ervin, Option 1 is what I do. Take note that if we have a way with highway=something and bridge=yes, then the object is primarily a highway/road and the bridge is only an aspect or property of the highway/road segment. Therefore, the name=* tag should be the name of the highway/road. And then put the name of the bridge on the bridge:name=* tag. Besides, it will be very weird to have a long highway with unconnected names just because there are bridges along the highway. The only time I would put the name of the bridge on the name=* tag is if the roads from both ends of the bridge have different names. For example, the bridge formerly called Del Pan in Manila: www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674 ~Eugene On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com wrote: Query regarding tagging bridges. What is the appropriate way of tagging bridges? Option1: Use the name of the road, and place the name of the bridge under bridge:name or the name of the tunnel under tunnel:name Option2: Use the name of the bridge/tunnel, omit the road name Thanks Ervin M. *Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
Hi Eugene I understand that in the context of Philippines islands, bridges are quite important. Your pictures clearly show that the sign at the beginning of the bridge refer to the bridge name and not the road name. We generally say that we tag first from the information observed in the field. But I understand that you might adopt different systems for Philippines. It is up to your community to decide. This Overpass query provides the way objects with a bridge tag. To have a smaller file, I did not request for the nodes.http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/7K1 The query gave me 4,091 bridges with the tag name and none with ref. While we see the road name associated with some bridge (for example Southern Tagalog), this is not the case for the majority of the bridges. And this would not respect what the sign show at the beginning of the bridge. Taginfo shows that tags such as bridge:name and bridge_name are used in other countries, but not in Philippines. Note also that the renderer show both name and ref. Pierre De : Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr Cc : Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com; OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mercredi 18 février 2015 19h08 Objet : Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels Hi Pierre, Most bridges here in the Philippines have names no matter how small. You can usually spot their name on the guard rail or on a small sign just before the bridge. These names are almost always accompanied by the maximum load the bridge can handle (which is tagged using maxweight=*) and sometimes with the distance from the island's zero-kilometer marker (I have no idea how to tag these. Maybe distance=*?). Some examples: http://www.philippinesdailyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bukidnon-atugan-bridge.jpg http://www.zamboanga.com/z/images/0/09/Calapan_Bridge,_Calapan,_Kabasalan,_Zamboanga_Sibugay,_Philippines.JPG http://static.rappler.com/images/tullahan-bridge-screengrab-20130708.jpg Regards, Eugene On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Eugene, I expect that only the major bridges have name. And we generally refer to these by their name and not the road reference. Unless you have particularities in Philippines.Example Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco bay.OpenStreetMap | Golden Gate Bridge (52477381) Pierre De : Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com À : Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com Cc : OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mercredi 18 février 2015 12h35 Objet : Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels Hi Ervin, Option 1 is what I do. Take note that if we have a way with highway=something and bridge=yes, then the object is primarily a highway/road and the bridge is only an aspect or property of the highway/road segment. Therefore, the name=* tag should be the name of the highway/road. And then put the name of the bridge on the bridge:name=* tag. Besides, it will be very weird to have a long highway with unconnected names just because there are bridges along the highway. The only time I would put the name of the bridge on the name=* tag is if the roads from both ends of the bridge have different names. For example, the bridge formerly called Del Pan in Manila: www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674 ~Eugene On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com wrote: Query regarding tagging bridges. What is the appropriate way of tagging bridges? Option1: Use the name of the road, and place the name of the bridge under bridge:name or the name of the tunnel under tunnel:name Option2: Use the name of the bridge/tunnel, omit the road name Thanks Ervin M. Schadow1 Expeditions - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland.http://www.s1expeditions.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels
Hi Ronny, I thought of using the new itinary calculation crossing the Abacan bridge. I can see from the map in this area that in Philippines, like elsewhere, ref tag is used for roads (here ref=R-9).See the link for the itinaryhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=osrm_carroute=15.1682%2C120.5893%3B15.1426%2C120.5962#map=15/15.1554/120.5929 With OSRM, it does show the ref-R-9 but do not report bridge crossing. With Mapquest, there is even less info. I wonder if OSMAnd on Android or any other road calculation software would report bridge crossing. Pierre De : Ronny Ager-Wick ro...@ager-wick.com À : Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com; Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr Cc : OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mercredi 18 février 2015 20h18 Objet : Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels This is a good point Eugene, and in fact the bridge names are very good landmarks, given that there are not many other signs on the roads in the Philippines, especially in rural areas. Another thing to take into consideration is that many bridges gain their name from the river they cross over, so there may be many bridges with the same name. They are definitely not tagged consistently at the moment, for example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15516/120.59219 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/15.15840/120.60712 If I remember correctly, they are both named Abacan Bridge, but only one of them has that name on the map, and incidentally the one with a different road name on each side does not. Do you know if common routing software will pick up the bridge:name=* tag? Yes, I know we're not supposed to tag based on what current software will pick up, but it is interesting to know, given that bridges are such great landmarks. It would be great with a published suggested standard that fits the Philippine conditions. Ronny. On 2015-02-19 08:08, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Hi Pierre, Most bridges here in the Philippines have names no matter how small. You can usually spot their name on the guard rail or on a small sign just before the bridge. These names are almost always accompanied by the maximum load the bridge can handle (which is tagged using maxweight=*) and sometimes with the distance from the island's zero-kilometer marker (I have no idea how to tag these. Maybe distance=*?). Some examples: http://www.philippinesdailyphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/bukidnon-atugan-bridge.jpg http://www.zamboanga.com/z/images/0/09/Calapan_Bridge,_Calapan,_Kabasalan,_Zamboanga_Sibugay,_Philippines.JPG http://static.rappler.com/images/tullahan-bridge-screengrab-20130708.jpg Regards, Eugene On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:59 AM, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr wrote: Eugene, I expect that only the major bridges have name. And we generally refer to these by their name and not the road reference. Unless you have particularities in Philippines. Example Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco bay. OpenStreetMap | Golden Gate Bridge (52477381) Pierre De : Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com À : Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com Cc : OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Envoyé le : Mercredi 18 février 2015 12h35 Objet : Re: [talk-ph] Tagging bridges and tunnels Hi Ervin, Option 1 is what I do. Take note that if we have a way with highway=something and bridge=yes, then the object is primarily a highway/road and the bridge is only an aspect or property of the highway/road segment. Therefore, the name=* tag should be the name of the highway/road. And then put the name of the bridge on the bridge:name=* tag. Besides, it will be very weird to have a long highway with unconnected names just because there are bridges along the highway. The only time I would put the name of the bridge on the name=* tag is if the roads from both ends of the bridge have different names. For example, the bridge formerly called Del Pan in Manila: www.openstreetmap.org/way/4304674 ~Eugene On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Ervin Malicdem schad...@gmail.com wrote: Query regarding tagging bridges. What is the appropriate way of tagging bridges? Option1: Use the name of the road, and place the name of the bridge under bridge:name or the name of the tunnel under tunnel:name Option2: Use the name of the bridge/tunnel, omit the road name Thanks Ervin M. Schadow1 Expeditions - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph
