Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
I concur. I myself did not notice the unlock the first time I used the Tasker. I thought it was a touch-move thing in chess. Ervin Malicdem Sent using Sony Xperia Z for Schadow1 Expeditions - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com On Nov 16, 2013 11:29 PM, Dan Marsh danrok.g...@gmail.com wrote: If the Unlock it! link was changed to a blue button, it could help a bit. I get the impression, in some cases, that people are missing this. On 16 November 2013 14:54, Andrew Buck andrew.r.b...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Totor, The best thing to do with these kind of issues is after the people have stopped working in the area, just have 1 single person download the whole area and look through it. Even for a very large city like Tacloban, you can look over the whole thing in a couple of hours (assuming everything is done). Filling in the missing bits and double checking the tagging is a very useful thing to do. For anyone interested in seeing how to do this I can show you via skype screenshare, contact me at andrewbuck40 on skype if you are interested. The short version of how to do this, is use either the mirrored download plugin for josm to download the area or for smaller towns just a normal api download or two will be enough. Then enable the typhoon josm paint style available on the wiki so you can see the building damage tags. - -AndrwBuck On 11/15/2013 09:27 PM, Totor wrote: Hi, On the hotosm tasks I participated in (342 and 347 mainly), I noticed many tiles marked as finished and even validated, when several buildings and sometimes whole areas have not been traced yet. What could be done to avoid this ? * I think a clearer Unlock it!. button might help for those who want to stop and only see the Mark Task as Done button. * For new tasks, the introduction and workflow could maybe add a note to only click Done if you are 100% sure ALL has been traced. * It seems impossible to invalidate a tile that is already validated. Another solution could be to restart a new task for the same area once the initial one is validated to check for missed parts. Task 360 kind of does this, but mixes adding lacking buildings and evaluating damage. This seems logical, but the result is that some mark a task as done just after adding the buildings, and some omly after assessing the damage (without adding new buildings). I'm not complaining ! It is really great to see so many persons involved, and I'm sure it is very helpful. The problems mentionned above are really small compared to the benefits. Happy mapping, and thanks to all. Totor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSh4cgAAoJEK7RwIfxHSXb9hEQAIKwkAH719lRsycfytVUiNwS 4nEe6ICqYTOdliw+MBpUf0w0rkQzAjJWhKRQKSJQQoGnIbJhE1F6pmfiTcqylxNy UZKKdJ4t3sIpNWKsF8u+JbXDm0fqH6jGvAScQLJsyKnQOKgNlr2IMwuhtCEeHav5 MV7d4C6gjCFjV+q2SGVyI/dGCnZ5/fiLyX9Dt106LnZPvs+sGdZwWXruB/4CrMCA e8zS4ZSpa1ERCyUH8s2Vqci5Vngd161zcKJzYWEJrR7G6YCM/FVfR8wT0ZsOYXs/ 4z04qAcuFYTGC1VGuUCGuHUIwQ9PUVJaFAPCWdUS9rKdqTe/i8mxnbYhFN+p2nqh 0AXtaAGB1f/Xa8EZedPp9rY82oJaFFoRVmGk/AmwdrbmLfuoIESVh0ABYJN3W/Uf RmAS6+BhO2/ADjBzXIOOk0MXxUu5qLD+6Xf2awpK9hkrgrdk5QK7NGBR0Io506On +Oqq3M60eQNN7CUxhUV4ETkLt6HYBxvb40nM/j2vtxl4MEni8Lx9IG4EYm7Ll5n3 pObNjM5qn2JuB+uslTvMTC0Jmyqy7f0fhjGTMRX8YiuJ4VgUreiIBQhdg3hFNwzr 298UVsKjDioO6GlqGjN0ng18RImunrOhJsIcFG607iUO3iwRDQ0YtsyC4atkgScL TWJ6kRDBj+m5Q3rRWvaK =yiLw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot -- Dan Marsh http://www.dm-photographics.com ___ HOT mailing list h...@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Just found this map in the New York Times, which credits OpenStreetMap. Presumably this is the end result of all the initial mapping done on OSM? http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/11/11/world/asia/typhoon-haiyan-map.html?_r=0 Yes. :) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
Just found this map in the New York Times, which credits OpenStreetMap. Presumably this is the end result of all the initial mapping done on OSM? http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/11/11/world/asia/typhoon-haiyan-map.html?_r=0 Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
Hi, Is there no risk of mapping conflicts if persons map Cebu North from http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/340 and http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/347 at the same time ? Can Cebu North be removed from 340 or marked as finished ? Regards, Totor On Mon, 11/11/13, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Subject: Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress To: osm-ph Date: Monday, November 11, 2013, 7:46 PM Hello everyone, Here are several additional HOT tasks: http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/342 - Bantayan Island http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/343 - Camotes Islands http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/344 - Roxas City and surroundings http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/345 - northern Negros Occidental http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/346 - Roxas City - Kalibo - northernmost tip of Iloilo http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/347 - northern Cebu If you know of any other areas that are affected by the typhoon and has Bing satellite imagery, please do reply. For instance, I have suggested that a task be created for Coron, Palawan. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
3rd district towns of Cataingan, Cawayan, Dimasalang, Esperanza, Palanas, Pio V. Corpuz, Placer, and Uson. Also hit are Mandaon and Balud in Masbate Ervin M. *Schadow1 Expeditions* - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Hello everyone, Here are several additional HOT tasks: http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/342 - Bantayan Island http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/343 - Camotes Islands http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/344 - Roxas City and surroundings http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/345 - northern Negros Occidental http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/346 - Roxas City - Kalibo - northernmost tip of Iloilo http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/347 - northern Cebu If you know of any other areas that are affected by the typhoon and has Bing satellite imagery, please do reply. For instance, I have suggested that a task be created for Coron, Palawan. On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you to everyone who has helped in mapping the affected areas. Here are some statistics taken from OSMstats: http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countriescountry=Philippines There have been about 120,000 nodes that have been added in the Philippines in the past 2 days. Though I don't have the exact numbers, that probably translates to around 20,000 buildings. The rest would be new roads, rivers, landuses, and improved coastlines. There have been at least 60 mappers editing in the Philippines in the last 2 days. The previous spike in the number of editors was in mid-October after the 7.2 earthquake that hit Bohol (http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/326 ). On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Hello everyone, There are 2 additional HOT Tasks that have been created: 1. http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/339 - Mapping villages in Samar and Leyte (just the residential areas and roads, no need for buildings) 2. http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/340 - Mapping in detail selected areas that are known to have been highly affected by the typhoon On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Andrew Buck andrew.r.b...@gmail.comwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I agree that wider coverage will be needed and I had hoped that by now we would have a better indication of where to map as well. My reason for staying with Tacloban for so long was largely due to lack of knowing where else to shift focus to (although I did allude to this a bit by suggesting the other villages on the coast northeast of Tacloban), more importantly due to a second fact... When we map an area, it is only really useful for us to map areas that the aid organizations we work with will be responding to. For the aid organizations that don't know about, or don't know how to use, our map; then no matter how good the coverage is, it doesn't help them. This is the main reason I chose to focus on Tacloban. It is badly hit (as were many other places as you rightly point out) but it is also a provincial capital, and it is the largest town in the immediate area. Because of this I figured that most of the international response would likely be directed there, and since it is mostly the international orgs that we tend to work with I figured the map data would be most useful there. Now, that being said I want to make it clear that the explanation above is not necessarily an argument for continuing to focus entirely on Tacloban, just merely an explanation of why I hadn't directed people elsewhere yet. I agree that we will need to spread out our efforts at some point, and that point may be approaching, the question is where to focus next. As I mentioned previously, I think the villages along the coast to the northeast will be hard hit (and due to their proximity to Tacloban will likely receive international aid). There are also villages along the coast to the south of Tacloban that will have been hit hard as well since the eye passed directly over them. The eye track will likely have done the most damage, or the area to the north of the eye track since the storm rotates counterclockwise as it moves westward. If anyone has better suggestions of where to spread out to I am certainly open to them. Like I said I am not saying we need to stay at Tacloban (and the surrounding area) just explaining why I was continuing focus there. I know the storm affected a lot to the west as well but I figured this would be trickier to map for two reasons. 1) it is a larger area with not such and obvious target for international aid, and 2) the wind speeds were lower to the west due to the storm being disrupted by the islands. As for the idea of mapping the area affected by the earthquake to the south, my understanding (and this could be wrong) was that most of what we could do remotely has already been done when the earthquake hit.
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It has been removed from the Featured tasks list but there is really no way to remove it without deleting the job I think. I wouldn't worry about it though, in theory there could be conflicts but that is unlikely since 340 is basically done. - -AndrewBuck On 11/11/2013 11:19 PM, Totor wrote: Hi, Is there no risk of mapping conflicts if persons map Cebu North from http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/340 and http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/347 at the same time ? Can Cebu North be removed from 340 or marked as finished ? Regards, Totor On Mon, 11/11/13, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Subject: Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress To: osm-ph Date: Monday, November 11, 2013, 7:46 PM Hello everyone, Here are several additional HOT tasks: http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/342 - Bantayan Island http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/343 - Camotes Islands http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/344 - Roxas City and surroundings http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/345 - northern Negros Occidental http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/346 - Roxas City - Kalibo - northernmost tip of Iloilo http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/347 - northern Cebu If you know of any other areas that are affected by the typhoon and has Bing satellite imagery, please do reply. For instance, I have suggested that a task be created for Coron, Palawan. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSgb14AAoJEK7RwIfxHSXbAFIQAIe97RcELreVaRmkvsVMp5z9 O+w334ejMYazuPoEKYs+v8B25mCoLr9Cxg8ukKbBs9coaYPOXcxIBgSlBj2i2epk A2oyCMqwQpEHSSJm2EKDw1We76D9je5+4wiEPXtoE/v8fE9DitJuypUl7uXXVFtG kHJWyOdH0HlZ+wJplWa1lBiQ1Gq6ODp3cwiR5f8J/DMsVCpDTh7qRxESkSBmS0ix fPIVthDR8dG4TKUpEcTnJrOXQ1uFtKkAGTlSyXFWbaGOyO1CeOcqzXQN20vxCWg7 8+KquwZ0ToaYUBusVvOOFk0AjBZEj9CVJ5ibolXSkwWj654EKOFy0FWiJb/BHuYe r3KCDJ57oK/fm6b59Gfpa/ii3cMxTtEAqUlvysWiPR9NJuxSIlOI3yR9pbG5in3D dQykP81OT+HPQDSL/yxNrR/6TWYOr5TJzSbgi4+SFMrtkNa6hWwFBOGYCsTKE9Z0 caM5t+zWU3Er0kNnJr5nmruBiwyV0VHgtvjXwOEJm9gE4cu7HAKHenmsGNaji7Xf HCtJWFnrpQTlR1Fg5XVsZ9H4SS82si0hdUtIyrB3dMMOOVU8uSPt0kGJYeFtAaDq 1Jd2kX7woHHcmiTnPifF4wHTNDSQXBDMNhZL64mzpHCC4NHCcx3mO7UgVWO1/ZxG lVG7cwN+MWk8e/QV2ltY =4PXi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
I've marked the remaining tasks in http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/340 that is in conflict with 347 as done. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Andrew Buck andrew.r.b...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It has been removed from the Featured tasks list but there is really no way to remove it without deleting the job I think. I wouldn't worry about it though, in theory there could be conflicts but that is unlikely since 340 is basically done. - -AndrewBuck On 11/11/2013 11:19 PM, Totor wrote: Hi, Is there no risk of mapping conflicts if persons map Cebu North from http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/340 and http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/347 at the same time ? Can Cebu North be removed from 340 or marked as finished ? Regards, Totor On Mon, 11/11/13, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Subject: Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress To: osm-ph Date: Monday, November 11, 2013, 7:46 PM Hello everyone, Here are several additional HOT tasks: http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/342 - Bantayan Island http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/343 - Camotes Islands http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/344 - Roxas City and surroundings http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/345 - northern Negros Occidental http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/346 - Roxas City - Kalibo - northernmost tip of Iloilo http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/347 - northern Cebu If you know of any other areas that are affected by the typhoon and has Bing satellite imagery, please do reply. For instance, I have suggested that a task be created for Coron, Palawan. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSgb14AAoJEK7RwIfxHSXbAFIQAIe97RcELreVaRmkvsVMp5z9 O+w334ejMYazuPoEKYs+v8B25mCoLr9Cxg8ukKbBs9coaYPOXcxIBgSlBj2i2epk A2oyCMqwQpEHSSJm2EKDw1We76D9je5+4wiEPXtoE/v8fE9DitJuypUl7uXXVFtG kHJWyOdH0HlZ+wJplWa1lBiQ1Gq6ODp3cwiR5f8J/DMsVCpDTh7qRxESkSBmS0ix fPIVthDR8dG4TKUpEcTnJrOXQ1uFtKkAGTlSyXFWbaGOyO1CeOcqzXQN20vxCWg7 8+KquwZ0ToaYUBusVvOOFk0AjBZEj9CVJ5ibolXSkwWj654EKOFy0FWiJb/BHuYe r3KCDJ57oK/fm6b59Gfpa/ii3cMxTtEAqUlvysWiPR9NJuxSIlOI3yR9pbG5in3D dQykP81OT+HPQDSL/yxNrR/6TWYOr5TJzSbgi4+SFMrtkNa6hWwFBOGYCsTKE9Z0 caM5t+zWU3Er0kNnJr5nmruBiwyV0VHgtvjXwOEJm9gE4cu7HAKHenmsGNaji7Xf HCtJWFnrpQTlR1Fg5XVsZ9H4SS82si0hdUtIyrB3dMMOOVU8uSPt0kGJYeFtAaDq 1Jd2kX7woHHcmiTnPifF4wHTNDSQXBDMNhZL64mzpHCC4NHCcx3mO7UgVWO1/ZxG lVG7cwN+MWk8e/QV2ltY =4PXi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress - suggestions for wider areas
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton jg_cail...@volunteers.cartong.org wrote: Here is a map of typhoon eye track, created by Pierre Lorioux of CartONG, currently intern at ICRC : http://54.201.17.178/cartong/Haiyan/Haiyan_Philippines_10112013_CartONG.pdf This map seems to correspond to the reported damages by local media, although many areas are still inaccessible. Reports from local media is slowly coming in and it is not very good news. Some reports estimates the death toll to exceed 10K. While Haiyan/Yolanda is now out of the Philippines, there is new low pressure brewing in the Pacific [0] which could exacerbate the situation in many affected areas. Right now, the Department of Social Welfare and Development (DSWD) the major government agency organizing the relief is using OSM as the basemap for its Disaster Situation Map [1]. Please continue working on the current tasks, we will create new tasks as we get additional request from local responders. IMO, priorities should focus on: - access - roads and bridges - presence of settlements - landuse=residential should be sufficient [0] http://openweathermap.org/Maps?zoom=5lat=11.54473lon=122.4209layers=B0FFTFTT [1] http://disaster.dswd.gov.ph/maps.php PS. I went to Tacloban just this year to talk about FOSS4G and OSM for DRR. My visit in some ways, sparked the interest of local NGOs, GIS users and government employees to start contributing to OSM. These are the areas you may have noticed to be well-mapped road-wise. Some of these mappers live in the mostly devastated areas. I tried to contact a few but haven't heard from any of them since the Yolanda made landfall in Tacloban. Still hoping they are safe. -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
Hi, According to Al Jazeera, the death toll could be very high, sadly. And several millions of people have been affected. I'd like to remind that an often-mentioned weakness of OSM is the uneven quality of the coverage, and that it is not because you have a hammer that everything is a nail. So, while Tacloban was indeed hit very badly, and a detailed building map there is undoubtedly useful, it might also be useful if some of the mappers who wish to contribute took a broader view, to map, for example, some of the roads and villages that are visible on (sometimes recent) high resolution Bing imagery (http://osmph.github.io/Imagery_Coverage_Map/), but sometimes still unmapped in OSM. (Not to mention the rivers). GNS (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GNS) can also be a good source for names, even if it sometimes includes old versions of duplicated nodes with inaccurate location. High resolution imagery can be useful to tell which is right in these cases. Best wishes, Jean-Guilhem ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I agree that wider coverage will be needed and I had hoped that by now we would have a better indication of where to map as well. My reason for staying with Tacloban for so long was largely due to lack of knowing where else to shift focus to (although I did allude to this a bit by suggesting the other villages on the coast northeast of Tacloban), more importantly due to a second fact... When we map an area, it is only really useful for us to map areas that the aid organizations we work with will be responding to. For the aid organizations that don't know about, or don't know how to use, our map; then no matter how good the coverage is, it doesn't help them. This is the main reason I chose to focus on Tacloban. It is badly hit (as were many other places as you rightly point out) but it is also a provincial capital, and it is the largest town in the immediate area. Because of this I figured that most of the international response would likely be directed there, and since it is mostly the international orgs that we tend to work with I figured the map data would be most useful there. Now, that being said I want to make it clear that the explanation above is not necessarily an argument for continuing to focus entirely on Tacloban, just merely an explanation of why I hadn't directed people elsewhere yet. I agree that we will need to spread out our efforts at some point, and that point may be approaching, the question is where to focus next. As I mentioned previously, I think the villages along the coast to the northeast will be hard hit (and due to their proximity to Tacloban will likely receive international aid). There are also villages along the coast to the south of Tacloban that will have been hit hard as well since the eye passed directly over them. The eye track will likely have done the most damage, or the area to the north of the eye track since the storm rotates counterclockwise as it moves westward. If anyone has better suggestions of where to spread out to I am certainly open to them. Like I said I am not saying we need to stay at Tacloban (and the surrounding area) just explaining why I was continuing focus there. I know the storm affected a lot to the west as well but I figured this would be trickier to map for two reasons. 1) it is a larger area with not such and obvious target for international aid, and 2) the wind speeds were lower to the west due to the storm being disrupted by the islands. As for the idea of mapping the area affected by the earthquake to the south, my understanding (and this could be wrong) was that most of what we could do remotely has already been done when the earthquake hit. So that is all of my reasoning at the current time for our current focus. I hope to begin hearing more concrete info from aid orgs today so I might redirect people when I hear from them, but for now my advice would be to try to continue with Tacloban (especially the low lying areas) and simultaneously spread out into the surrounding villages until/unless we get something concrete from an aid org. - -AndrewBuck On 11/09/2013 05:25 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote: Hi, According to Al Jazeera, the death toll could be very high, sadly. And several millions of people have been affected. I'd like to remind that an often-mentioned weakness of OSM is the uneven quality of the coverage, and that it is not because you have a hammer that everything is a nail. So, while Tacloban was indeed hit very badly, and a detailed building map there is undoubtedly useful, it might also be useful if some of the mappers who wish to contribute took a broader view, to map, for example, some of the roads and villages that are visible on (sometimes recent) high resolution Bing imagery (http://osmph.github.io/Imagery_Coverage_Map/), but sometimes still unmapped in OSM. (Not to mention the rivers). GNS (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GNS) can also be a good source for names, even if it sometimes includes old versions of duplicated nodes with inaccurate location. High resolution imagery can be useful to tell which is right in these cases. Best wishes, Jean-Guilhem -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSfjttAAoJEK7RwIfxHSXbuyAQAJ7RN1Tqh04GWL0Gb03Tb+nQ Z4sIRt4Z3wBdOte8MjB3B+W8zGYtUw3kwfbb3DV8tcdKpEiHzjc2+GrjLgoLzZCe TvxHqFN5Q6srENG180WbZtA8gMESLV5xbeOSt5NU9xnqo24yggWSlAc7FoH2SOSp 3aMNyrALeW03y406TUH4DwCIBmkwLMWZufdkzOnbwou0Ebd2CcYERepm3f+4ifQM XI9o8jJt5fspYksaiePmRpMrS8Gn7UznYhzhOsPBbjGlP4wFbazNOsuwE2phBBss wTX9awNSDqjv6EzebEzDN36I8hSeQEYxnsNrLWmaj/+xydxOfchxZlDKXhJm42Qe zP0c+HakmZPORnmYCms1FHwjGzH5SKgApK3Vpaa+A/T8z+wqEaWmimhV/mX48aQx I/pFTnwto+Df35htKYwU1U9xQ7BB+W1FizYqdkc84HaTyvcQkdfPM5YXzokmxLQz QbP1quYE+M1sESfiZGqIrV2K1AL+NrrBbr1C6r6J9ICtj8swQZpoyvWcg3LR+UqF 5prd7disNuZ6CPHQkLn+ChdPtC6A4gfXqAFEm2g54Pg5Q5t43Qg0DAVPl4bME5Y5
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
Hello everyone, There are 2 additional HOT Tasks that have been created: 1. http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/339 - Mapping villages in Samar and Leyte (just the residential areas and roads, no need for buildings) 2. http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/340 - Mapping in detail selected areas that are known to have been highly affected by the typhoon On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Andrew Buck andrew.r.b...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I agree that wider coverage will be needed and I had hoped that by now we would have a better indication of where to map as well. My reason for staying with Tacloban for so long was largely due to lack of knowing where else to shift focus to (although I did allude to this a bit by suggesting the other villages on the coast northeast of Tacloban), more importantly due to a second fact... When we map an area, it is only really useful for us to map areas that the aid organizations we work with will be responding to. For the aid organizations that don't know about, or don't know how to use, our map; then no matter how good the coverage is, it doesn't help them. This is the main reason I chose to focus on Tacloban. It is badly hit (as were many other places as you rightly point out) but it is also a provincial capital, and it is the largest town in the immediate area. Because of this I figured that most of the international response would likely be directed there, and since it is mostly the international orgs that we tend to work with I figured the map data would be most useful there. Now, that being said I want to make it clear that the explanation above is not necessarily an argument for continuing to focus entirely on Tacloban, just merely an explanation of why I hadn't directed people elsewhere yet. I agree that we will need to spread out our efforts at some point, and that point may be approaching, the question is where to focus next. As I mentioned previously, I think the villages along the coast to the northeast will be hard hit (and due to their proximity to Tacloban will likely receive international aid). There are also villages along the coast to the south of Tacloban that will have been hit hard as well since the eye passed directly over them. The eye track will likely have done the most damage, or the area to the north of the eye track since the storm rotates counterclockwise as it moves westward. If anyone has better suggestions of where to spread out to I am certainly open to them. Like I said I am not saying we need to stay at Tacloban (and the surrounding area) just explaining why I was continuing focus there. I know the storm affected a lot to the west as well but I figured this would be trickier to map for two reasons. 1) it is a larger area with not such and obvious target for international aid, and 2) the wind speeds were lower to the west due to the storm being disrupted by the islands. As for the idea of mapping the area affected by the earthquake to the south, my understanding (and this could be wrong) was that most of what we could do remotely has already been done when the earthquake hit. So that is all of my reasoning at the current time for our current focus. I hope to begin hearing more concrete info from aid orgs today so I might redirect people when I hear from them, but for now my advice would be to try to continue with Tacloban (especially the low lying areas) and simultaneously spread out into the surrounding villages until/unless we get something concrete from an aid org. - -AndrewBuck On 11/09/2013 05:25 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote: Hi, According to Al Jazeera, the death toll could be very high, sadly. And several millions of people have been affected. I'd like to remind that an often-mentioned weakness of OSM is the uneven quality of the coverage, and that it is not because you have a hammer that everything is a nail. So, while Tacloban was indeed hit very badly, and a detailed building map there is undoubtedly useful, it might also be useful if some of the mappers who wish to contribute took a broader view, to map, for example, some of the roads and villages that are visible on (sometimes recent) high resolution Bing imagery (http://osmph.github.io/Imagery_Coverage_Map/), but sometimes still unmapped in OSM. (Not to mention the rivers). GNS (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GNS) can also be a good source for names, even if it sometimes includes old versions of duplicated nodes with inaccurate location. High resolution imagery can be useful to tell which is right in these cases. Best wishes, Jean-Guilhem -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSfjttAAoJEK7RwIfxHSXbuyAQAJ7RN1Tqh04GWL0Gb03Tb+nQ Z4sIRt4Z3wBdOte8MjB3B+W8zGYtUw3kwfbb3DV8tcdKpEiHzjc2+GrjLgoLzZCe
Re: [talk-ph] [HOT] Typhoon Haiyan Mapping Progress
In response to the active map ups on Yolanda crisis areas, I will be updating the Garmin Routable maps based on OSM daily until needed. This is in case an up-to-date GPS offline map may be needed by our field relief volunteers. http://www.s1expeditions.com/p/openstreetmaps.html Ervin Malicdem for Schadow1 Expeditions - A Filipino must not be a stranger to his own motherland. http://www.s1expeditions.com On Nov 10, 2013 12:08 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, There are 2 additional HOT Tasks that have been created: 1. http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/339 - Mapping villages in Samar and Leyte (just the residential areas and roads, no need for buildings) 2. http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/340 - Mapping in detail selected areas that are known to have been highly affected by the typhoon On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Andrew Buck andrew.r.b...@gmail.comwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I agree that wider coverage will be needed and I had hoped that by now we would have a better indication of where to map as well. My reason for staying with Tacloban for so long was largely due to lack of knowing where else to shift focus to (although I did allude to this a bit by suggesting the other villages on the coast northeast of Tacloban), more importantly due to a second fact... When we map an area, it is only really useful for us to map areas that the aid organizations we work with will be responding to. For the aid organizations that don't know about, or don't know how to use, our map; then no matter how good the coverage is, it doesn't help them. This is the main reason I chose to focus on Tacloban. It is badly hit (as were many other places as you rightly point out) but it is also a provincial capital, and it is the largest town in the immediate area. Because of this I figured that most of the international response would likely be directed there, and since it is mostly the international orgs that we tend to work with I figured the map data would be most useful there. Now, that being said I want to make it clear that the explanation above is not necessarily an argument for continuing to focus entirely on Tacloban, just merely an explanation of why I hadn't directed people elsewhere yet. I agree that we will need to spread out our efforts at some point, and that point may be approaching, the question is where to focus next. As I mentioned previously, I think the villages along the coast to the northeast will be hard hit (and due to their proximity to Tacloban will likely receive international aid). There are also villages along the coast to the south of Tacloban that will have been hit hard as well since the eye passed directly over them. The eye track will likely have done the most damage, or the area to the north of the eye track since the storm rotates counterclockwise as it moves westward. If anyone has better suggestions of where to spread out to I am certainly open to them. Like I said I am not saying we need to stay at Tacloban (and the surrounding area) just explaining why I was continuing focus there. I know the storm affected a lot to the west as well but I figured this would be trickier to map for two reasons. 1) it is a larger area with not such and obvious target for international aid, and 2) the wind speeds were lower to the west due to the storm being disrupted by the islands. As for the idea of mapping the area affected by the earthquake to the south, my understanding (and this could be wrong) was that most of what we could do remotely has already been done when the earthquake hit. So that is all of my reasoning at the current time for our current focus. I hope to begin hearing more concrete info from aid orgs today so I might redirect people when I hear from them, but for now my advice would be to try to continue with Tacloban (especially the low lying areas) and simultaneously spread out into the surrounding villages until/unless we get something concrete from an aid org. - -AndrewBuck On 11/09/2013 05:25 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton wrote: Hi, According to Al Jazeera, the death toll could be very high, sadly. And several millions of people have been affected. I'd like to remind that an often-mentioned weakness of OSM is the uneven quality of the coverage, and that it is not because you have a hammer that everything is a nail. So, while Tacloban was indeed hit very badly, and a detailed building map there is undoubtedly useful, it might also be useful if some of the mappers who wish to contribute took a broader view, to map, for example, some of the roads and villages that are visible on (sometimes recent) high resolution Bing imagery (http://osmph.github.io/Imagery_Coverage_Map/), but sometimes still unmapped in OSM. (Not to mention the rivers). GNS (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GNS) can also be a good source for names, even if it
