Re: [Talk-transit] Tagging of railway station
I like the area approach. If you were on a platform, or in the station building, or on the tracks, each time you are in the railway station (or is it on the station when you are outside, and in the station when you are in the building?). So if there is an app that tells you where you are at the moment, area would help the app be more precise. If there was a public transport routing app, it could determine which station you are on, and immediately show you departure and arrival times. Janko 2013/12/18 Copro Grammes coprogram...@yahoo.fr Thank you for your answers. I was also inclined to add railway=station tag to a node rather than to an area. But some French mappers advocate for the 'area' solution, contrary to the former version of the wiki, and I've begun to hesitate between both the approaches. So I was hoping this debate could be settled, but currently this is clearly not the case... Doesn't this matter interest anybody else ? Or doesn't anybody else have an opinion about this question ? This problem is not know (see place=*). We even already have an solution: role label. The role label could be interesting, but how can we use it ? Did you mean we could create a label relation [1] ? Or did you mean we should add a node with the role label to the stop_area relation which would be tagged railway=station (but the stop_area could also contain a bus station, a subway station, etc.) ? For new created objects I only use the new scheme but I do not delete the older tags if already tagged but only add the new ones. So I think it means you add the public_transport=station tag to the same node/area which was already tagged railway=station (as Roland did), doesn'it ? Cheers, Zigeuner [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Label ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-transit] Close stations having the same name
Hi, Close to a main railway station, there are often other stations (underground, bus, tram, etc.) which have the same name (e.g. Somewhere Station). I wonder what is the best value for the key 'name' of these stations? There are examples where the transport type is added in the name: e.g. Gare de Lyon (métro 14) in Paris [1], or Hauptbahnhof (U-Bahn) in Frankfurt [2]. Don't you think it is better to tag all these stations with their real name (Somewhere Station)? It isn't ambiguous since other tags than name allow to distinguish these stations [3]. And it gives to users/applications the real name, not a name for renderer. Cheers, Zigeuner [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/export#map=18/48.84385/2.37467 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/export#map=18/50.10769/8.66386 [3] E.g. Gare de l'Est railway and underground stations can be distinguish by some renderers even though they are both tagged railway=station and name=Gare de l'Est: http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=16lat=48.87451lon=2.359layers=B000FF ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Close stations having the same name
Here the platforms for buses near to a railway station have names like: Gent Sint-Pietersstation Perron 3 Mechelen Nekkerspoel Perron 1 Wavre Quai 5 (Perron/Quai means platform in Dutch/French) Whereas the name of the railway station itself would be: Gent Sint-Pieters Mechelen Nekkerspoel I think it's better to indicate they are related by a hierarchy of stop_area relations. Jo 2013/12/18 Copro Grammes coprogram...@yahoo.fr Hi, Close to a main railway station, there are often other stations (underground, bus, tram, etc.) which have the same name (e.g. Somewhere Station). I wonder what is the best value for the key 'name' of these stations? There are examples where the transport type is added in the name: e.g. Gare de Lyon (métro 14) in Paris [1], or Hauptbahnhof (U-Bahn) in Frankfurt [2]. Don't you think it is better to tag all these stations with their real name (Somewhere Station)? It isn't ambiguous since other tags than name allow to distinguish these stations [3]. And it gives to users/applications the real name, not a name for renderer. Cheers, Zigeuner [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/export#map=18/48.84385/2.37467 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/export#map=18/50.10769/8.66386 [3] E.g. Gare de l'Est railway and underground stations can be distinguish by some renderers even though they are both tagged railway=station and name=Gare de l'Est: http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=16lat=48.87451lon=2.359layers=B000FF ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Tagging of railway station
The number of stations is quite small, so people will find a way to deal with it. Probably by re-adding nodes until the area advocates give up. On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Copro Grammes coprogram...@yahoo.frwrote: OK! Just one question: what do you mean saying Having separate node and area doesn't usually create too many problems ? Currently, either a node or an area is created to define a railway station, isn't it ? So there is never separate node and area in the same station. Is there something I didn't understand ? Zigeuner Le Mercredi 18 décembre 2013 10h49, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com a écrit : The label role would be a solution, but unfortunately it isn't supported by the major renderers (afaik). So for the moment we stick with having the tags on the label node. Since the label is usually fairly obvious, having separate node and area doesn't usually create too many problems. So the main reason for change would be to fit in with a some mappers desire for everything to be tied up neatly in relations. That's not really a good enough reason. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. Richard On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Copro Grammes coprogram...@yahoo.frwrote: Thank you for your answers. I was also inclined to add railway=station tag to a node rather than to an area. But some French mappers advocate for the 'area' solution, contrary to the former version of the wiki, and I've begun to hesitate between both the approaches. So I was hoping this debate could be settled, but currently this is clearly not the case... Doesn't this matter interest anybody else ? Or doesn't anybody else have an opinion about this question ? This problem is not know (see place=*). We even already have an solution: role label. The role label could be interesting, but how can we use it ? Did you mean we could create a label relation [1] ? Or did you mean we should add a node with the role label to the stop_area relation which would be tagged railway=station (but the stop_area could also contain a bus station, a subway station, etc.) ? For new created objects I only use the new scheme but I do not delete the older tags if already tagged but only add the new ones. So I think it means you add the public_transport=station tag to the same node/area which was already tagged railway=station (as Roland did), doesn'it ? Cheers, Zigeuner [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Label ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
