Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?
It only takes one great public transport map with routing, and the new scheme will come to life. Who cares about Openstreetmap default map. Who cares about the public transport layer on Openstreetmap which doesn't even have tram lines rendered. We need outside help with this :) Janko 2014-08-12 0:55 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Now that the new way of rendering with Carto instead of Mapnik is finally becoming reality, it becomes clear that highway=bus_stop will never (or at least not during my lifetime) be replaced by public_transport=platform/bus=yes. I started to double tag all the new stops I'm adding and the ones I'm updating. Some people claim that public_transport=platform/bus=yes is longer and less efficient than highway=bus_stop, but of course highway=bus_stop public_transport=platform bus=yes is even less so, but I stopped caring about that. Pity, Polyglot 2013-12-11 21:41 GMT+01:00 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com : tag-transform is an osmosis plugin. It happens before conversion to the postgres database, so you can use any tags that exist in the wild On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: For a long time, public_transport was not transfered to the DB used for the rendering of Mapnik. At that time it didn't make sense to update stylesheets. Jo 2013/12/11 Mike N nice...@att.net On 12/11/2013 11:07 AM, fly wrote: If you keep on adding both schemes simultaneously you will not notice the problem and there will be no reason for developers to adjust the software. One of the problems in this situation is the map rendering developers have not taken an interest in the new scheme. If someone has submitted a 'pull request' that included the new tagging scheme but it was ignored, that is a different story. OSM is frequently described as a do-ocracy - in which finished and coded solutions win out over what is needed. And it's quite possible that we public transport mappers have been collecting and entering the information but have never gotten into CSS Map stylesheets, or whatever is the technology behind the renderers. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?
I just have a meeting with a big (well for Swiss scale) Public transport company. They want to tag and maintain (!) there lines in OSM. And they will obviously render the data. I was hesitating, but after our discussion here, I came to the conclusion that I will advise them to tag ONLY the new schema, and adapt there rendering accordingly. They more tagger/public transport companies will do the same, the more accepted the new tag will come. nounours77 Am 12.08.2014 um 12:08 schrieb Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: It only takes one great public transport map with routing, and the new scheme will come to life. Who cares about Openstreetmap default map. Who cares about the public transport layer on Openstreetmap which doesn't even have tram lines rendered. We need outside help with this :) Janko 2014-08-12 0:55 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Now that the new way of rendering with Carto instead of Mapnik is finally becoming reality, it becomes clear that highway=bus_stop will never (or at least not during my lifetime) be replaced by public_transport=platform/bus=yes. I started to double tag all the new stops I'm adding and the ones I'm updating. Some people claim that public_transport=platform/bus=yes is longer and less efficient than highway=bus_stop, but of course highway=bus_stop public_transport=platform bus=yes is even less so, but I stopped caring about that. Pity, Polyglot 2013-12-11 21:41 GMT+01:00 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: tag-transform is an osmosis plugin. It happens before conversion to the postgres database, so you can use any tags that exist in the wild On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: For a long time, public_transport was not transfered to the DB used for the rendering of Mapnik. At that time it didn't make sense to update stylesheets. Jo 2013/12/11 Mike N nice...@att.net On 12/11/2013 11:07 AM, fly wrote: If you keep on adding both schemes simultaneously you will not notice the problem and there will be no reason for developers to adjust the software. One of the problems in this situation is the map rendering developers have not taken an interest in the new scheme. If someone has submitted a 'pull request' that included the new tagging scheme but it was ignored, that is a different story. OSM is frequently described as a do-ocracy - in which finished and coded solutions win out over what is needed. And it's quite possible that we public transport mappers have been collecting and entering the information but have never gotten into CSS Map stylesheets, or whatever is the technology behind the renderers. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?
If they need inspiration on how to convert the data to OSM format: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/De_Lijndata If you think it would actually help, I can also stop adding highway=bus_stop on the next few thousand of bus stops I'm adding. But I don't think anybody would really care about whether Belgian or Swiss bus stops get rendered or not. Polyglot 2014-08-12 12:25 GMT+02:00 nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com: I just have a meeting with a big (well for Swiss scale) Public transport company. They want to tag and maintain (!) there lines in OSM. And they will obviously render the data. I was hesitating, but after our discussion here, I came to the conclusion that I will advise them to tag ONLY the new schema, and adapt there rendering accordingly. They more tagger/public transport companies will do the same, the more accepted the new tag will come. nounours77 Am 12.08.2014 um 12:08 schrieb Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: It only takes one great public transport map with routing, and the new scheme will come to life. Who cares about Openstreetmap default map. Who cares about the public transport layer on Openstreetmap which doesn't even have tram lines rendered. We need outside help with this :) Janko 2014-08-12 0:55 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Now that the new way of rendering with Carto instead of Mapnik is finally becoming reality, it becomes clear that highway=bus_stop will never (or at least not during my lifetime) be replaced by public_transport=platform/bus=yes. I started to double tag all the new stops I'm adding and the ones I'm updating. Some people claim that public_transport=platform/bus=yes is longer and less efficient than highway=bus_stop, but of course highway=bus_stop public_transport=platform bus=yes is even less so, but I stopped caring about that. Pity, Polyglot 2013-12-11 21:41 GMT+01:00 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: tag-transform is an osmosis plugin. It happens before conversion to the postgres database, so you can use any tags that exist in the wild On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: For a long time, public_transport was not transfered to the DB used for the rendering of Mapnik. At that time it didn't make sense to update stylesheets. Jo 2013/12/11 Mike N nice...@att.net On 12/11/2013 11:07 AM, fly wrote: If you keep on adding both schemes simultaneously you will not notice the problem and there will be no reason for developers to adjust the software. One of the problems in this situation is the map rendering developers have not taken an interest in the new scheme. If someone has submitted a 'pull request' that included the new tagging scheme but it was ignored, that is a different story. OSM is frequently described as a do-ocracy - in which finished and coded solutions win out over what is needed. And it's quite possible that we public transport mappers have been collecting and entering the information but have never gotten into CSS Map stylesheets, or whatever is the technology behind the renderers. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Stop according to new PT scheme not rendered?
Ottawa has all its bus stops in and rendered in OMAND and the normal rendering web sites. The city has links to the maps on its web site for some years but all the bus stops are labelled highway=bus_stop and are tagged with the stop numbers so you can text or phone a number to find out when the next three buses are coming. The only issue we have is new mappers adding or editing the bus stops. Cheerio John On 12 August 2014 10:02, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: If they need inspiration on how to convert the data to OSM format: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/De_Lijndata If you think it would actually help, I can also stop adding highway=bus_stop on the next few thousand of bus stops I'm adding. But I don't think anybody would really care about whether Belgian or Swiss bus stops get rendered or not. Polyglot 2014-08-12 12:25 GMT+02:00 nounours77 kuessemondtaegl...@gmail.com: I just have a meeting with a big (well for Swiss scale) Public transport company. They want to tag and maintain (!) there lines in OSM. And they will obviously render the data. I was hesitating, but after our discussion here, I came to the conclusion that I will advise them to tag ONLY the new schema, and adapt there rendering accordingly. They more tagger/public transport companies will do the same, the more accepted the new tag will come. nounours77 Am 12.08.2014 um 12:08 schrieb Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: It only takes one great public transport map with routing, and the new scheme will come to life. Who cares about Openstreetmap default map. Who cares about the public transport layer on Openstreetmap which doesn't even have tram lines rendered. We need outside help with this :) Janko 2014-08-12 0:55 GMT+02:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com: Now that the new way of rendering with Carto instead of Mapnik is finally becoming reality, it becomes clear that highway=bus_stop will never (or at least not during my lifetime) be replaced by public_transport=platform/bus=yes. I started to double tag all the new stops I'm adding and the ones I'm updating. Some people claim that public_transport=platform/bus=yes is longer and less efficient than highway=bus_stop, but of course highway=bus_stop public_transport=platform bus=yes is even less so, but I stopped caring about that. Pity, Polyglot 2013-12-11 21:41 GMT+01:00 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com: tag-transform is an osmosis plugin. It happens before conversion to the postgres database, so you can use any tags that exist in the wild On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: For a long time, public_transport was not transfered to the DB used for the rendering of Mapnik. At that time it didn't make sense to update stylesheets. Jo 2013/12/11 Mike N nice...@att.net On 12/11/2013 11:07 AM, fly wrote: If you keep on adding both schemes simultaneously you will not notice the problem and there will be no reason for developers to adjust the software. One of the problems in this situation is the map rendering developers have not taken an interest in the new scheme. If someone has submitted a 'pull request' that included the new tagging scheme but it was ignored, that is a different story. OSM is frequently described as a do-ocracy - in which finished and coded solutions win out over what is needed. And it's quite possible that we public transport mappers have been collecting and entering the information but have never gotten into CSS Map stylesheets, or whatever is the technology behind the renderers. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
